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Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:22 Quote
im racing downhill this year and i need body armour, i donr need lower arms but i need core and/or not shoulder armour

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Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:26 Quote
Six Six One has some stuff that might interest you such as the Assault Pressure Suit and the Core Saver. Their stuff is pretty comfortable to wear and breathes relatively well.

Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:31 Quote
thanx but their suits dont have the plastic spine which i really need because i hit my bak on my rear wheel so much it would make u laugh

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Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:36 Quote
nishnash wrote:
thanx but their suits dont have the plastic spine which i really need because i hit my bak on my rear wheel so much it would make u laugh

I would go to their website and take another look at their descriptions of their suits.

2008 Assault Pressure Suit:
Injection molded shoulder plastic impact shields.
Dual density EVA impact pads.
Vented EVA foam protective underlayer.
Comfortable adjustable elastic Velcro® waist belt.
New wider articulated rear injection molded spine protection.


Core Saver:
Back has injection molded high-impact plastic articulated spine armor for helping to protect the spine area.
Comfortable adjustable elastic Velcro® waist belt supports & keeps the protection in place.
Durable yet comfortable vented mesh main body.
Vented EVA foam protective underlayer.
Large arm openings maximize freedom of movement.
Dual density vented EVA impact shoulder pads allow a combination of protection & mobility.
Chest area features removable hard plastic breast plate.
The most coverage for lower internal organs than any other suit made.

Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:45 Quote
oh thanx, are those their 08 stuff.

Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:45 Quote
should i get the shoulders or no

Mod
Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 9:50 Quote
nishnash wrote:
oh thanx, are those their 08 stuff.

It seems like they have a mix of their 2007 stuff and their new 2008 lineup on their website. Either way, the designs don't really change so it is up to you what you want to buy. As for getting shoulder protection versus no shoulder protection, I would get it as I have hit/grazed my fair share of trees. Go to http://www.sixsixone.com/Catalog_661Bike.aspx?id=5A9821F7-40C2-4C43-AB0B-5F478B7645A1 to view their lineup and pick the armour that suits you.

Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 10:00 Quote
all dainese upper body race suits are really nice and let you have great range of motion. They're kind of expensive, but if you're going to be falling hard, it's worht it.

Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 10:03 Quote
I broke my back a few years back so spine protetction for me is of the utmost importance... Go with RockGardn. You can get just a vest with the back protection or go wiht the whole suit which includes Shoulder,Chest,Spine, and the elbow pads all for like 170.00

Posted: Nov 12, 2007 at 10:05 Quote
Take a look on Axo Doberman

Posted: Nov 13, 2007 at 12:33 Quote
BUY CERTIFIED PROTECTIVE GEAR

Here is a article about protective gear. Check out the velocity gear site for there body armor. I have used the Juggernaut armor for 2 seasons and it has help up great, $179.00 USD. It has saved by body on lots of big crashes.

http://www.highvelocitygear.com/home.html


The following excerpt was written by an unknown independent third party not affiliated with Velocity Gear. The information contained herein is currently out of date; however it should be considered an excellent example of what consumers should know before purchasing so called "protective" gear.

Research is the key to purchasing properly CE tested and Approved Motorcycling Apparel.

It is ridiculous to buy "protective" gear based on marketing hype, sponsorship deals, rumors, arbitrary experience, looks, and feel. Real, scientifically derived numbers should be the first reason for buying a piece of gear, always.

Testing is the only real way to know how crash worthy a product is. Arbitrary crashes are all similar in one way; they involve forces in direction acting on the equipment. It is simple rudimentary physics that decides how you come out of an accident and simple impact testing that is 100% repeatable is the only practical way to determine actual differences in products that may save you in a fall.

I have found six companies that offer actual CE approved back protectors and specify compliance with the proper back protector CE standard.

Alpinestars
Dainese
Knox
Spidi
T-pro

Before addressing each of these companies it is important to understand how CE standards are determined.

Draft standard prEN 1621-2 covers back protectors. The impact energy is the same as for limb protectors, 50 joules, but the transmitted force is lower than for limb protectors at 18 kN for Level 1 products and 9 kN for the higher performance Level 2 products.

Back Protectors that aren't certified to the EN1621-2 (Level 1 or Level 2) standard are unsafe and should be considered inferior products by current CE Motorcyclist Protection Guidelines.

. It is important, however, that consumers verify each product with the correct standard numbers; otherwise, consumers may be confused regarding what certification level the product is that they are purchasing, or may be purchasing outdated or obsolete items.

The EN1621-2 standard contains two levels that are considered passable. One transmits no more than 18 kN of force (LEVEL 1), and the other transmits no more than 9 kN (LEVEL 2), but both of these levels fall within that 1621-2 back protector standard. For example, Alpinestars states that the Tech Protector is 1621-2 approved but makes no claim of LEVEL 1 or Level 2 compliance.

To reinforce the previous explanation: What the consumer needs to know is that there are several different CE certification standards. There is the EN1621-1 standard that applies to shoulder,elbow and knee protection. There is, also, the EN1621-2 standard that comes in two levels, Level 1 and Level 2. EN1621-2 Level 1 transmits 18 kN of force through the product, from an initial impact force of 50kN, while EN1621-2 Level 2 transmits 9 kN of force through the product from an initial impact force of 50kN. The Level 2 certification literally transmits half the force through the product in comparison to Level 1.

The back protector standard (EN1621-2) can be either 18 kN for LEVEL 1 compliance or 9 kN for LEVEL 2 "high performance" compliance.

Velocity Gear is CE EN1621-2 Level 2 Compliant. Our armor actually exceeds Level 2 requirements with a kN transmission level of 4.49 kN. The limit for this testing requirement is 9 kN.

Dainese Backspace is made of an exclusive and innovative aluminum honeycomb construction, and has breathable polyurethane padding, and patented transversal joints on the waist. Its innovative structure, Backspace is extremely light, anatomical, and comfortable. It has undergone rigorous CE approval tests, which it surpassed with an average transmitted force of 15 kN or LEVEL 1 certification.

Unfortunately, using aluminum as an inner core makes this armor a one time use armor. That is, once it has sustained an impact it must be replaced in order to offer the consumer the same absorption qualities as new.

Knox doesn't specify the level that any of their back protectors comply with, just that they are approved to the appropriate EN1621-2 standard.

Knox refers to improper use of CE claims by other companies. They don't name names, but it appears to be in response to Bohn's non-certified CE labeling practice. Bohn uses a CE label without actually being certified. Bohn also does not specify which standard they are referring to in their marketing statements of "exceeding CE specs" or "built to European CE standards." An article on the Knox site implies that unnamed companies are being sued for improperly using the CE mark and not complying with the proper specs for back protectors. I cannot find any actual information that directly refers to Bohn or the standards that Bohn allegedly meets or exceeds.

Bohn's website offers no specific information regarding which CE specs are being met and how it is being proven. I find this claim to be blatantly deceptive and dishonest. Such claims should be backed-up. Companies that attempt to join the bandwagon of certifications without providing evidence for such certifications is on the verge of false advertising, saying nothing of poor business practices and deception of the public.

Spidi offers two families of CE approved back protectors, the Airback and Warrior. I noticed a difference in information and the photos of the Spidi Warrior protectors on the Spidi US website vs. the Italian (English version). The mid and lower back versions of the new Warrior protectors are listed only on the Italian site, and are CE 1621-2 LEVEL 1 approved. The US Spidi website shows a Warrior protector that looks different than the Warrior protectors on the Italian site, and the literature about these protectors is very different as well.

The US site does not state that the Warrior protectors are compliant with the CE back protector standard EN1621-2, just that the they are compliant with the CE Directives for PPE (Personal Protective Equipment), which have nothing to do with the actual standards and testing performance of the equipment. The Directives are simply an ethics code and basis for testing procedures and standards operations. Suspicious? It certainly appears that way, and the price of the US version leads to that assumption as well.

Impact Armor protectors make no claims of CE certification. They offer testimonials from unpaid professional racers, but nothing in the way of proven results of crash worthiness or protective levels.

Fieldsheer claims their X20 back protector exceeds all CE standards leaving the specifics to the imagination, and leaving you to hope they meet the back protector Level 2 standards, but do not refer to the actual certification or standard that their protector has passed.

Kobe back protectors claim CE approval as well, but no mention of which standard is being referred to.

Joe Rocket's website says very little about their GPX back protector. It is not shown to be CE certified.

Helimot and Teknic (though they also sell Knox) are other brands that I have seen on the web, but make no specific claims of protective levels or performance results.

There are more out there, the important thing is to know what to look for before you spend any more money thinking you have the safest possible piece of equipment. In the end you have to ask yourself how much limited personal experience, limited arbitrary crash experience, limited knowledge of the actual forces at work in any crash story, and the beliefs of others in what they have heard through the grapevine. Is any of this speculation going to satisfy your motivation to part with your money? What information will provide you with the safety expectations you have decided are appropriate. The problem with decisions made with this kind of information is that it is never complete or accurate, no matter how well intentioned it may be.

We have no standards for motorcycle gear in the United States, which means somebody can slap a piece of cardboard together, and call it the world's best protection system ever, and it may even look the part. I'm also sure that you could find some racers or average Joe's to swear by it as well. Perpetuation of poor information and marketing hype leaves too much to our own speculation as the basis for our protective measures.

Velocity Gear offers the lowest price level 2 armor in the world. Simply put, no other company can outperform our armor in legitimate CE certification tests. Figure our price into the equation and there are no equals!

Posted: Nov 13, 2007 at 18:08 Quote
thanx these have all helped especially that last one as long as it may be.

Posted: Nov 13, 2007 at 18:15 Quote
can you email me the velocity armour link

Posted: May 24, 2022 at 2:23 Quote
Hello together

i'm searching for an upper body protection vest. Mostly for downhill riding and some enduro races.

to choose from i've got these models:

https://foxracing.de/product/weste-baseframe-pro-d3o/27745.html?dwvar_27745_color=001&dwvar_27745_size=S&cgid=mens-mtb-gear-guards


https://foxracing.de/product/protektorweste-raptor---ce/24814.html

https://foxracing.de/product/airframe-pro-jacke-/19909.html

https://leatt.com/int/product/body-tee-3df-airfit-lite?selected-color=5440



Yes i will try all of them, but which one would you choose?

thx for your help

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