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Posted: Sep 22, 2009 at 18:30 Quote
Does anyone broke his/her collarbone wearing a leat brace?
Do you think you would have saved your collarbone if you hadn't worn one? I know its better than a broken neck but this is not my point... Do you think the leat brace can push hard enough on the collarbone to cause a fracture while crashing?

Thanks!

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 9:17 Quote
personly i think it wouldn't because a crash is in a split of a second and the impact isn't hard enought to break your'e collar bone.Head 4 major crashes with the leatt on and no broken collar bone.You would hardly feel de compression of the brace on your'e collar bone

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 9:21 Quote
The collar bone is a common cycling injury but ushally its not a direct impact, instead a rider will go over the bars landing on the back of the shoulder pushing the shoulder forawards and making the collar bone bend out until its breaks. If anything a leatt may help by holodng the collar bone in but i dont think it would really prevent it.

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 14:14 Quote
I also could see the leatt helping to stop breaks seen as the bone itself is covered by the front of the brace and therefore prevent it taking inpact.

As the brace doesnt actually sit on the collarbone the only way i could see it breaking the bone is when the rider falls directly on his head forcing the brace down (into the collar bone) as his neck compresses. For this to happen the head would of had to take such a force the neck would almost certainly be broken in that crash and therefore has been saved by the leatt.

There is still no evidence to prove any of this true though. Im just going by what I can see when wearing a leatt and what has happened when i have crashed

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 14:21 Quote
The Leatt Brace does not touch your collarbone at all...
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s154/poptart86/leatt001et1.jpg
It won't break it...

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 14:26 Quote
you dont think it could flex during an impact enough to make contact? it seems highly unlikely but strange things happen in crashes that are unexplainable*.

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 14:34 Quote
FlyingFish wrote:
you dont think it could flex during an impact enough to make contact? it seems highly unlikely but strange things happen in crashes that are unexplainable*.

don't think so. There quite rigid. It wouldnt happen though its more likely to snap than bend

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 14:48 Quote
ya i wouldnt know as ive never even held one in my hands

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 at 17:48 Quote
slipknot93dh wrote:
The Leatt Brace does not touch your collarbone at all...
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s154/poptart86/leatt001et1.jpg
It won't break it...

That picture the leatt brace is fitted wrong, its too small the person needs to put the larger clips that come with it. those little pads on the under side of the brace should rest on your collar bone and the front and back pads should lay flat with your body. the leatt is designed in a serious neck compression to break your collar bone. I have seen it happen to one of my friends.

Posted: Sep 24, 2009 at 5:42 Quote
The Leatt is not designed in a serious neck compression to break your collarbone. Collarbone breaks are one of the most common injuries in cycling. Just because your friend was wearing a brace doesn't mean it was the reason it broke...

Taken from the Leatt website...

Q: Does the Leatt-Brace™ cause collarbone injuries?

A: Clavicle fractures (collar bone injuries) are approximately 50 times more likely than cervical spine fractures in Motocross and Supercross. We should expect to see 50 times more clavicle fractures than Cervical Spin Fractures. This data is based on the last 5 years of The American Motorcycle Association (“AMA”) injury results. Clavicle fractures usually occur in three ways, namely; i) a fall onto an outstretched arm, transmitting the force up the arm to the clavicle, ii) a direct fall onto the shoulder, transmitting force to the clavicle, or iii) helmet rim striking the clavicle in a fall with lateral flexion of the head/neck. The Leatt-Brace™ is designed to limit this type of clavicle fracture by protecting the clavicle from the helmet rim as the clavicle passes inside of the designed ‘clavicle relief area’ on the underside of the Leatt-Brace™. It is important to remember that with the Leatt-Brace™ on, the arm/shoulder can be abducted (lifted up) all the way without the Leatt-Brace™ ‘clavicle relief area’ coming into contact with the clavicle, and preventing or reducing a bending force on the clavicle around the Leatt-Brace™.

Posted: Sep 24, 2009 at 6:55 Quote
slipknot93dh wrote:
The Leatt is not designed in a serious neck compression to break your collarbone. Collarbone breaks are one of the most common injuries in cycling. Just because your friend was wearing a brace doesn't mean it was the reason it broke...

Taken from the Leatt website...

Q: Does the Leatt-Brace™ cause collarbone injuries?

A: Clavicle fractures (collar bone injuries) are approximately 50 times more likely than cervical spine fractures in Motocross and Supercross. We should expect to see 50 times more clavicle fractures than Cervical Spin Fractures. This data is based on the last 5 years of The American Motorcycle Association (“AMA”) injury results. Clavicle fractures usually occur in three ways, namely; i) a fall onto an outstretched arm, transmitting the force up the arm to the clavicle, ii) a direct fall onto the shoulder, transmitting force to the clavicle, or iii) helmet rim striking the clavicle in a fall with lateral flexion of the head/neck. The Leatt-Brace™ is designed to limit this type of clavicle fracture by protecting the clavicle from the helmet rim as the clavicle passes inside of the designed ‘clavicle relief area’ on the underside of the Leatt-Brace™. It is important to remember that with the Leatt-Brace™ on, the arm/shoulder can be abducted (lifted up) all the way without the Leatt-Brace™ ‘clavicle relief area’ coming into contact with the clavicle, and preventing or reducing a bending force on the clavicle around the Leatt-Brace™.

Leatt have indeed changed their stance on this subject, I distinctly recall reading on their website [before they changed it] that the Leatt neck brace is specifically designed to re-distribute and dissipate forces away from the neck and onto the collar bones and shoulders as breaks on these bones are not going to be as serious as breaking your neck could potentially be....

Posted: Sep 24, 2009 at 7:23 Quote
ctd07 wrote:
slipknot93dh wrote:
The Leatt is not designed in a serious neck compression to break your collarbone. Collarbone breaks are one of the most common injuries in cycling. Just because your friend was wearing a brace doesn't mean it was the reason it broke...

Taken from the Leatt website...

Q: Does the Leatt-Brace™ cause collarbone injuries?

A: Clavicle fractures (collar bone injuries) are approximately 50 times more likely than cervical spine fractures in Motocross and Supercross. We should expect to see 50 times more clavicle fractures than Cervical Spin Fractures. This data is based on the last 5 years of The American Motorcycle Association (“AMA”) injury results. Clavicle fractures usually occur in three ways, namely; i) a fall onto an outstretched arm, transmitting the force up the arm to the clavicle, ii) a direct fall onto the shoulder, transmitting force to the clavicle, or iii) helmet rim striking the clavicle in a fall with lateral flexion of the head/neck. The Leatt-Brace™ is designed to limit this type of clavicle fracture by protecting the clavicle from the helmet rim as the clavicle passes inside of the designed ‘clavicle relief area’ on the underside of the Leatt-Brace™. It is important to remember that with the Leatt-Brace™ on, the arm/shoulder can be abducted (lifted up) all the way without the Leatt-Brace™ ‘clavicle relief area’ coming into contact with the clavicle, and preventing or reducing a bending force on the clavicle around the Leatt-Brace™.

Leatt have indeed changed their stance on this subject, I distinctly recall reading on their website [before they changed it] that the Leatt neck brace is specifically designed to re-distribute and dissipate forces away from the neck and onto the collar bones and shoulders as breaks on these bones are not going to be as serious as breaking your neck could potentially be....

this guys has it spot on - and the leatt brace is made to distrubute the forces away from the neck and onto the collar bones and shoulders

i work with leatt brace uk

here are there comments on questions they recieve alot

Does the Leatt-Brace™ restrict driver/rider mobility in any way?
In order to prevent injury, the Leatt-Brace™ restricts extreme ranges of movement that cause injury, but allows the driver or rider enough movement to get on with driving or riding. Users often report a feeling of being naked and vulnerable after taking the brace off. One Lap or five minutes is usually all it takes to get used to the brace.

Moto R: Does the Leatt-Brace™ work with all safety belts and seating configurations?
Yes.

Can my safety harness straps slip off the brace?
No, in fact, the Leatt-Brace™ is designed to keep your safety harness away from your soft tissue neck structures but remain stable under the safety harness during an impact or even a car roll.

Do I have to modify my equipment/vehicle to use the Leatt-Brace™?

MOTO GPX:
Generally speaking, no equipment modification is required, however some modification to shirts, jackets, chest protectors and body armor may be required, depending on the design. Riders using a racing leather suit with aerodynamic hump need to unstitch a small portion of the hump to allow the thoracic member of the brace to slide into place.

MOTO R:
No modification to your seat, safety harness or helmet is required. A strap SSS (Smart Strap System) is required to be fitted to your helmet’s chin strap. The SSS requires no drilling or special helmet mounting point and is compatible with all commercially available helmets. The SSS then locks into place on the rear top member of the brace.

Does the Leatt-Brace™ comply with safety standards?
The Leatt-Brace™ MOTO R is SFI 38.1 certified. There are no other test standards pertaining to the braces. We are awaiting a test standard for the MOTO GPX brace.

Why is the Leatt-Brace™ better than other head and neck restraints available?
Simply put, we believe we have the best solution to the problem. Can any other neck protection system offer you protection against the following injury types?

Hyperflexion – head moving forwards
Hyperextension – head moving backwards
Posterior Hypertranslation – head moving backwards on the neck
Lateral Hyperflexion – head moving sideways (side impact)
Axial Loading – compressive force acting on the spine
Control head deceleration to prevent traumatic brain injury
Protect the soft tissue neck structures from your safety harness and chest protector.
Control in-car head movements after more than one impact e.g. car roll-over
Protection if ejected from the vehicle
Protection from all the common injury types for cars, karts, motorcycles, quads, etc.
Please visit our MOTO R and MOTO GPX pages and see the test videos.

What is the Leatt-Brace™ constructed from?Injected Glass-Reinforced-Nylon and/or Carbon Fiber & Kevlar with an inner padding layer.

Are junior sizes available?
Yes.

Can I wash my Leatt-Brace™?
Yes, with soap and water, the padding is removable too.

Can the Leatt-Brace™ be used with water sports?
Yes.

What is the expected lifespan of my Leatt-Brace™?
We recommend three years, and replacement of any damaged part if you are involved in a high impact collision.

What impact does the Leatt-Brace™ have on my brain?
The Leatt-Brace™ is designed to decelerate the head in a controlled way so as to limit a sudden deceleration force on your brain. During an accident, the head of a driver moves surprisingly far and can strike in-car structures so your Leatt-Brace™ is designed to reduce head injuries too. Head deceleration is reduced when compared to a no device impact. Please see our MOTO R test page for details.

What if my Leatt-Brace™ breaks in an accident?
You will need to replace the damaged component. If a part of the brace breaks, as it is intended to do, then the force required to cause the break has been directed away from your head and neck. Individual components can be replaced by your Leatt-Brace™ distributor.

Can I use my Leatt-Brace™ in conjunction with a back protector and chest protector on a motorcycle?
Yes.

Where can I view the Leatt-Brace™ technical information and test results?
Please visit the MOTO R and MOTO GPX testing pages.

Can I invest in the Leatt-Brace™ company?
Yes, please visit our 'Investor Relations' page or click on the 'Stock Quote' icon for more information.

How much does a Leatt-Brace™ cost?
The suggested retail prices are US$395 (Club Version) and US$595 (Sports Version) and excludes import duties, shipping and taxes depending on the version you choose. They all offer the same protection and vary only in weight and finish.

Where can I buy a Leatt-Brace™?
You can purchase a brace online, please visit the MOTO R or MOTO GPX order pages or from our distributor/retailer in your area.

Can I use a Leatt-Brace™ with cars, quads, motorcycles, downhill bikes, jet skis, rubber ducks, off shore powerboats?
Yes, we have two brace versions, namely; the MOTO R (Restrained Drivers) and MOTO GPX (Unrestrained Drivers/Riders) that cater for all vehicle and user classes. Please view our MOTO R and MOTO GPX products pages.

What does the thoracic member do and is it safe?
The thoracic member allows for brace fitment, prevents rotation of the brace, and allows for the transmission of hyperextension and hypertranslation forces from one spinal segment to approximately eleven. It is completely safe; you can fall directly onto your back wearing a brace without injury. The energy is applied to the muscles that run on either side of your spine, is enclosed in padding and has been used in testing with numerous riders, many of whom have had big falls and crashes!


i love my leatt brace and its a great comfort for me especially as I am now a recovered rider from a spinal injury 10 years ago - and i have only just recently got back into downhill riding due tomy crash!

- that injury though - 8 months in a body cast, 3 mths in hospital, broken bone operations to remove floating bone, no riding for 9 years, loss of career in mtbing - all could have been prevented by a leatt brace!

These are amazing safety advancement in our sport - any of you want to have to ride hard and enjoy the sport for more than 10 years -i suggest investing in one!

Posted: Sep 25, 2009 at 12:13 Quote
I agree with you its not balanced at all,way to much down toward the torso,this way you wont be able to look ahead while riding down a slop,unless I am wrong it should be balanced (same space in front and rear of the neck?
doode wrote:
slipknot93dh wrote:
The Leatt Brace does not touch your collarbone at all...
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s154/poptart86/leatt001et1.jpg
It won't break it...

That picture the leatt brace is fitted wrong, its too small the person needs to put the larger clips that come with it. those little pads on the under side of the brace should rest on your collar bone and the front and back pads should lay flat with your body. the leatt is designed in a serious neck compression to break your collar bone. I have seen it happen to one of my friends.

Posted: Sep 25, 2009 at 14:34 Quote
You guys laid eyes on the new 661 Droid suit....looks sick. Seems like it functions like the leatt, but also provides core and spine protection. Sick! Get me a Storm Trooper Helmet and I am going racing.....SICK!


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Posted: Sep 25, 2009 at 14:46 Quote
jumble wrote:
ctd07 wrote:
slipknot93dh wrote:
The Leatt is not designed in a serious neck compression to break your collarbone. Collarbone breaks are one of the most common injuries in cycling. Just because your friend was wearing a brace doesn't mean it was the reason it broke...

Taken from the Leatt website...

Q: Does the Leatt-Brace™ cause collarbone injuries?

A: Clavicle fractures (collar bone injuries) are approximately 50 times more likely than cervical spine fractures in Motocross and Supercross. We should expect to see 50 times more clavicle fractures than Cervical Spin Fractures. This data is based on the last 5 years of The American Motorcycle Association (“AMA”) injury results. Clavicle fractures usually occur in three ways, namely; i) a fall onto an outstretched arm, transmitting the force up the arm to the clavicle, ii) a direct fall onto the shoulder, transmitting force to the clavicle, or iii) helmet rim striking the clavicle in a fall with lateral flexion of the head/neck. The Leatt-Brace™ is designed to limit this type of clavicle fracture by protecting the clavicle from the helmet rim as the clavicle passes inside of the designed ‘clavicle relief area’ on the underside of the Leatt-Brace™. It is important to remember that with the Leatt-Brace™ on, the arm/shoulder can be abducted (lifted up) all the way without the Leatt-Brace™ ‘clavicle relief area’ coming into contact with the clavicle, and preventing or reducing a bending force on the clavicle around the Leatt-Brace™.

Leatt have indeed changed their stance on this subject, I distinctly recall reading on their website [before they changed it] that the Leatt neck brace is specifically designed to re-distribute and dissipate forces away from the neck and onto the collar bones and shoulders as breaks on these bones are not going to be as serious as breaking your neck could potentially be....

this guys has it spot on - and the leatt brace is made to distrubute the forces away from the neck and onto the collar bones and shoulders

i work with leatt brace uk

here are there comments on questions they recieve alot

Does the Leatt-Brace™ restrict driver/rider mobility in any way?
In order to prevent injury, the Leatt-Brace™ restricts extreme ranges of movement that cause injury, but allows the driver or rider enough movement to get on with driving or riding. Users often report a feeling of being naked and vulnerable after taking the brace off. One Lap or five minutes is usually all it takes to get used to the brace.

Moto R: Does the Leatt-Brace™ work with all safety belts and seating configurations?
Yes.

Can my safety harness straps slip off the brace?
No, in fact, the Leatt-Brace™ is designed to keep your safety harness away from your soft tissue neck structures but remain stable under the safety harness during an impact or even a car roll.

Do I have to modify my equipment/vehicle to use the Leatt-Brace™?

MOTO GPX:
Generally speaking, no equipment modification is required, however some modification to shirts, jackets, chest protectors and body armor may be required, depending on the design. Riders using a racing leather suit with aerodynamic hump need to unstitch a small portion of the hump to allow the thoracic member of the brace to slide into place.

MOTO R:
No modification to your seat, safety harness or helmet is required. A strap SSS (Smart Strap System) is required to be fitted to your helmet’s chin strap. The SSS requires no drilling or special helmet mounting point and is compatible with all commercially available helmets. The SSS then locks into place on the rear top member of the brace.

Does the Leatt-Brace™ comply with safety standards?
The Leatt-Brace™ MOTO R is SFI 38.1 certified. There are no other test standards pertaining to the braces. We are awaiting a test standard for the MOTO GPX brace.

Why is the Leatt-Brace™ better than other head and neck restraints available?
Simply put, we believe we have the best solution to the problem. Can any other neck protection system offer you protection against the following injury types?

Hyperflexion – head moving forwards
Hyperextension – head moving backwards
Posterior Hypertranslation – head moving backwards on the neck
Lateral Hyperflexion – head moving sideways (side impact)
Axial Loading – compressive force acting on the spine
Control head deceleration to prevent traumatic brain injury
Protect the soft tissue neck structures from your safety harness and chest protector.
Control in-car head movements after more than one impact e.g. car roll-over
Protection if ejected from the vehicle
Protection from all the common injury types for cars, karts, motorcycles, quads, etc.
Please visit our MOTO R and MOTO GPX pages and see the test videos.

What is the Leatt-Brace™ constructed from?Injected Glass-Reinforced-Nylon and/or Carbon Fiber & Kevlar with an inner padding layer.

Are junior sizes available?
Yes.

Can I wash my Leatt-Brace™?
Yes, with soap and water, the padding is removable too.

Can the Leatt-Brace™ be used with water sports?
Yes.

What is the expected lifespan of my Leatt-Brace™?
We recommend three years, and replacement of any damaged part if you are involved in a high impact collision.

What impact does the Leatt-Brace™ have on my brain?
The Leatt-Brace™ is designed to decelerate the head in a controlled way so as to limit a sudden deceleration force on your brain. During an accident, the head of a driver moves surprisingly far and can strike in-car structures so your Leatt-Brace™ is designed to reduce head injuries too. Head deceleration is reduced when compared to a no device impact. Please see our MOTO R test page for details.

What if my Leatt-Brace™ breaks in an accident?
You will need to replace the damaged component. If a part of the brace breaks, as it is intended to do, then the force required to cause the break has been directed away from your head and neck. Individual components can be replaced by your Leatt-Brace™ distributor.

Can I use my Leatt-Brace™ in conjunction with a back protector and chest protector on a motorcycle?
Yes.

Where can I view the Leatt-Brace™ technical information and test results?
Please visit the MOTO R and MOTO GPX testing pages.

Can I invest in the Leatt-Brace™ company?
Yes, please visit our 'Investor Relations' page or click on the 'Stock Quote' icon for more information.

How much does a Leatt-Brace™ cost?
The suggested retail prices are US$395 (Club Version) and US$595 (Sports Version) and excludes import duties, shipping and taxes depending on the version you choose. They all offer the same protection and vary only in weight and finish.

Where can I buy a Leatt-Brace™?
You can purchase a brace online, please visit the MOTO R or MOTO GPX order pages or from our distributor/retailer in your area.

Can I use a Leatt-Brace™ with cars, quads, motorcycles, downhill bikes, jet skis, rubber ducks, off shore powerboats?
Yes, we have two brace versions, namely; the MOTO R (Restrained Drivers) and MOTO GPX (Unrestrained Drivers/Riders) that cater for all vehicle and user classes. Please view our MOTO R and MOTO GPX products pages.

What does the thoracic member do and is it safe?
The thoracic member allows for brace fitment, prevents rotation of the brace, and allows for the transmission of hyperextension and hypertranslation forces from one spinal segment to approximately eleven. It is completely safe; you can fall directly onto your back wearing a brace without injury. The energy is applied to the muscles that run on either side of your spine, is enclosed in padding and has been used in testing with numerous riders, many of whom have had big falls and crashes!


i love my leatt brace and its a great comfort for me especially as I am now a recovered rider from a spinal injury 10 years ago - and i have only just recently got back into downhill riding due tomy crash!

- that injury though - 8 months in a body cast, 3 mths in hospital, broken bone operations to remove floating bone, no riding for 9 years, loss of career in mtbing - all could have been prevented by a leatt brace!

These are amazing safety advancement in our sport - any of you want to have to ride hard and enjoy the sport for more than 10 years -i suggest investing in one!
ONE BIG f*ckING POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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