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Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 15:33 Quote
ImMattWard wrote:
Ya I lost the wedge once. $50 to replace, was a fun time. Buy some profiles and you're set.

Fuck profile. You're vouching for a company that has essentially admitted to not giving a shit about the Canadian market. There's a reason there's no distro up here for them.

There's a ton of good 48 spline cranks these days. Any one of them will likely be a decent crankset if you're buying from a well known company. even Salt Pro 48 spline is a decent, and very afforable, crankset.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 16:09 Quote
sherbet wrote:
ImMattWard wrote:
Ya I lost the wedge once. $50 to replace, was a fun time. Buy some profiles and you're set.

Fuck profile. You're vouching for a company that has essentially admitted to not giving a shit about the Canadian market. There's a reason there's no distro up here for them.

There's a ton of good 48 spline cranks these days. Any one of them will likely be a decent crankset if you're buying from a well known company. even Salt Pro 48 spline is a decent, and very afforable, crankset.

Theres a lot of companies that do that, it's Canada, less and less care about us, thus why we can't get the good shit from amazon or Ebay, we have to have our own separate domain. He'll benefit more so being in the states with profile. Now if Deity would go back to making the vendettas that would neat.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 16:12 Quote
He'll benefit more for having to pay duties on all warranty parts, and also having to wait longer for shipping of any parts that are needed due to damage? (From a Canadian perspective.)

Yeah, really not seeing the benefit there. I kinda see that as a downside.

I tried quite a bit to get Profile back into country, most of the messages were ignored, the few that were replied to were not done respectfully or professionally.

Also bare in mind profile's products are literally in no way better than most of the stuff that's almost half the price. A decade or more ago, I get why profile was big. The quality was insane compared to so many companies. That's no longer the case, but the pricetag remains.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 16:28 Quote
sherbet wrote:
He'll benefit more for having to pay duties on all warranty parts, and also having to wait longer for shipping of any parts that are needed due to damage? (From a Canadian perspective.)

Yeah, really not seeing the benefit there. I kinda see that as a downside.

I tried quite a bit to get Profile back into country, most of the messages were ignored, the few that were replied to were not done respectfully or professionally.

Also bare in mind profile's products are literally in no way better than most of the stuff that's almost half the price. A decade or more ago, I get why profile was big. The quality was insane compared to so many companies. That's no longer the case, but the pricetag remains.
but their hubs go buzz buzz sherb, I think that definitely warrants the exorbitant price

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 16:39 Quote
Well then he'll save a bunch not over paying for shipping and duties and conversion rates, plus he can bend and crack and bend them all he wants and have it be covered. But just like you said they are way more out there available for cheaper. Everyone has different experiences with different companies, some cranks work flawless for some, others snap or strip em in no time. He's a big boy he can figure out based off other people's opinions/experiences. Just because Profile doesn't give a shit about Canada doesn't mean he should. Canada is becoming less of a good place to live.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 16:55 Quote
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alexeyter wrote:
update after a couple seasons

Any way you could comment on that rotor?
Where did you get it, and does it brake well?
I get asked a ton of questions about it. Made by a company called Kettle Cycles, no longer around. A bit noisy, doesn't lock as hard as a steel rotor but definitely still works. I've been using it for over 5 years now and it seems to not wear at all. I've been told I can get better performance with different pads but I haven't bothered. Wierd part is that even after 4 seasons when I replaced the pads, they too showed almost no wear. My main motivation was for the look as I wanted an all black bike.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 17:53 Quote
sherbet wrote:
man-wolf wrote:
sherbet wrote:
They don't offer any advantage over traditional crank systems. They're not lighter, they're not stronger, and they're certainly not easier to work with. You're basically shoehorning yourself into a single system where if anything goes wrong, you need a bespoke part to fix it, rather than an off the shelf standard part.

Say you damage the spindle. You need a new crankset. You damage the wedge system or lose a wedge, you cannot sue a standard system to remount it. The bolts are even one off to a degree.

And for what benefit? There's lighter, stronger, and less ankle biting cranks available for similar pricing.

If you already have them, I don't have any information if they'll fit or not, but if you're shopping into them, I'd just look elsewhere and then you can get a 48 spline spindle and be 110% sure it'll work on the frame.

I appreciate the feedback, those are valid points. They do have a lifetime warranty but in a rush I'm sure it would be frustrating to replace anything. I haven't purchased anything, just looking at options.

Warranty does not cover crash replacement in my experience. If you have a defect, you'll know within weeks and that's easy to deal with. Actual riding abuse; you're on your own.
Odyssey has the best warranty in BMX! You can have a fork that is ten years old,be the 3rd owner,snap them riding a skatepark,send them a email and a pic of the broken fork(with no proof of purchase) and they will replace it.There have been many cases where people have broken Twombolt cranks and have received the new Thunderbolt cranks as replacements.This company states a lifetime warranty on all their 41Thermal products,they mean it.Regardless of abuse or manufacturer defect,they still cover it.

The Thunderbolts are some of the stiffest and strongest cranks around.Odyssey did their homework redesigning these cranks.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:18 Quote
They're no stiffer or stronger than literally any 48 spline crankset on the market, they're just less modular and more difficult to get parts for.

I agree that Odyssey's warranty is great. Better than that is getting parts that won't require you to wait for specialty items.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:19 Quote
ImMattWard wrote:
Canada is becoming less of a good place to live.

Nothing but a big ol' go fuck yourself from me, bud.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:27 Quote
sherbet wrote:
They're no stiffer or stronger than literally any 48 spline crankset on the market, they're just less modular and more difficult to get parts for.

I agree that Odyssey's warranty is great. Better than that is getting parts that won't require you to wait for specialty items.
Have you spent enough riding time to determine this? Everyone I know of who switched over to the Thundebolts all stated they are the best cranks they ever used.

What are the chances in someone needing replacement parts for the cranks? Last I checked,the Canadian distro for Odyssey has the bolt and wedge system in stock.As for breaking a 22mm heat treated spindle,well if you can break that,you will break any 22mm spindle regardless of the manufacturer.

The only way I can see someone braeking the bolt is by using a wrong size allen wrench and rounding the allen wrench hole out or cross threading it.As for the wedge system,pretty difficult to damage a hardened steel wedge cluster,unless carelessly you lose it,than I can see someone needing another one.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:30 Quote
You're right, he should risk running a crankset he can't change the spindle on in a frame he's not sure the width of. That makes more sense than getting a crankset that you could get a different spindle for, and therefore will fit no matter what.

Opinions on the crankset aside, and no, I really don't see a wedge setup being stiffer than splines by any metric, the thunderbolts are not really the best option for his build.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:33 Quote
sherbet wrote:
ImMattWard wrote:
Canada is becoming less of a good place to live.

Nothing but a big ol' go fuck yourself from me, bud.

Ok bud.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:46 Quote
sherbet wrote:
You're right, he should risk running a crankset he can't change the spindle on in a frame he's not sure the width of. That makes more sense than getting a crankset that you could get a different spindle for, and therefore will fit no matter what.

Opinions on the crankset aside, and no, I really don't see a wedge setup being stiffer than splines by any metric, the thunderbolts are not really the best option for his build.
Look how many MTB cranks that have spindles permanantly attached to the driveside arm.You don't see other people being discouraged from using them.The best BMX and MTB cranks are two piece design.The chances of the dude breaking a spindle is slim to none,unless he weighs 300 lbs and riding slopestyle and a hack.The wedge system keeps the cranks tighter and less chance of them coming loose.

What makes more sense to you,breaking a Thunderbolt crank and getting a new pair free or the cost of shipping,or paying for a new spindle and shipping?

I have seen plenty of snapped arms and broken pedal bosses,but never a broken spindle,not even a 19mm spindle.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:55 Quote
I'm with Sherb on this one. I know from experience Odyssey has good support, but as he said as there as so many fantastic 48 spline options on the market why would you go with a proprietary system? You buy a standard set of cranks and strip the threads on axle, you can walk into any bmx shop and know they have an axle that'll fit whether it be Salt, Colony, Stolen, Eclat etc. Street and dirt riding is rough on parts and we all have a habit of breaking parts, definitely more feasible to go with something that's replaceable anywhere opposed to having to send off and wait for a specialist part no?

Though like was mentioned, if you have them already throw them on, but if you are looking new I can't seem to find a significant benefit to them.

Posted: Nov 13, 2019 at 18:59 Quote
If you don't care about cromo, you can generally get a Shimano zee or a race face Chester with a bottom bracket for under $150 Canadian. I've owned both, they can handle anything you're gonna do as long as you're not bailing on a concrete skatepark all day.


 
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