14 Bikes That Could Be Set for an Update in 2021

Jan 8, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  
As we recently discussed on Episode 39 of the Pinkbike Podcast, bike brands generally work on 24 to 36-month product cycles for their bikes. While bikes will normally get new specs and colour options each season, after three years it generally feels like time for a refresh. Whether trends have moved on or new standards have come in, brands want to make sure their models are as up to date as possible to be better options for customers.

This is not a hard and fast rule. Some brands, especially those that deal mainly with aluminum frames, work on continuous updates of their bikes, taking them out of the traditional model year format. In some cases, brands will actually work on shorter time frames. Some bikes that were released in 2018 were updated in 2020, just a two-year cycle, some examples would be the Specialized Stumpjumper and its Evo counterpart, the Devinci Troy and the Santa Cruz 5010. On the other hand, some bikes last longer than that and are still successful long into their lifespan, such as the Scott Spark that was so progressive for its time it continues to be relevant today.

In an attempt to predict some new bikes that may be coming in 2021, I've gone back to 2017 and 2018 to work out which bikes may be at the end of their cycle and ready for a refresh. To be clear, I don't know anything about any of the bikes listed. I'm not a tech editor and I have been siloed off from any editor who may have some knowledge of any upcoming bikes - there's a good chance a couple editors are privy to specific details that they aren't able to discuss at this time. Nor is this a comment on the performance of any bike listed, I'm not qualified to make those claims and besides, two of them have just won World Championships and the rest are still all as good as the day they were released. The methodology was as simple as going back through our archives and going, "Huh, haven't seen that updated in a while." With that out of the way, let's see what could be in the pipeline for 2021.



2017 Bikes


Intense Tracer

Intense's Tracer has apparently been its most popular bike since its inception in 1999. It has been through various guises, but this long-travel, 27.5" carbon bike was released in early 2017 with the 29" wheel Carbine coming later in the year. The bike has a stunning looking frame and was designed in collaboration with Cesar Rojo and the Cero Design studio and is something we'd love to see continued if it gets updated again soon.
Intense Tracer 2017 review



Polygon Xquare One

One of the more eye-catching and radical bikes we've seen in the past few years, the Polygon Xquare One definitely turned some heads when it was released in 2017. At the heart of the bike is the Darrel Voss' Naild R3act that was claimed to give incredible pedalling performance despite the bike's 180m travel.

Polygon later introduced a downhill bike with the same system and is still selling the bike (although we notice Marin has dropped its version from its product range). Will we see a modernised variant of this bike or can we expect something totally different again in the future?
Polygon Square One Photo by Laurence Crossman-Emms



Trek Session

Here's one we've already hinted at in our Pinkibke Predictions article but the Trek Session seems to be in line for a refresh in 2021. Not only was the last major update four years ago but Trek has also been busy bolstering its downhill team this winter which we would guess is partly to give the bike the strongest debut year possible.

The current Session was the first production carbon 29" downhill bike and has stayed relevant for the past three seasons thanks to that forward-thinking approach. Can we expect to see something equally radical with this new model? Only time will tell.
Trek Session 9.9 Review - title image



Orbea Rallon

The asymmetrical Rallon was first released in 2017 but the Spanish brand hasn't been shy about updating it since then. In 2018, a 29" version came out then in 2019, Orbea released the Rally On linkage kit that increased travel, sensitivity and progression. This was fitted to new models of the bike but also available as a backwards compatible upgrade for any riders on fifth-generation Rallons.

We'll be interested to see if Orbea continue to roll out updates on the Rallon platform or if something totally new will be in the pipeline for 2021.
Orbea Rallon



Scott Genius

The Genius was first introduced to Scott's line up in 2004 and for the 2017 version, it built on the Olympic winning success of the Spark to create a Horst Link driven design that was a lot more conventional than its predecessor. It was a lightweight bike with geometry that was very progressive for a trail bike at the time, including reaches over 500mm and a 65° head angle in the low setting. Also new was the updated TwinLoc system and the introduction of the Syncros one-piece bar and stem.
Scott Genius 2018



Canyon Torque

The overhauled Canyon Torque was released within 10 days of a new Spectral back in 2017. Given that the Spectral itself just had an update in the tail end of 2020, it seems logical that the Torque may not be too far behind.

The last overhaul turned the platform from a double-crown toting, freeride/park bike into a long travel single-crown, monster-truck. Seeing as that genre of bike is undergoing a resurgence at the moment, the time seems rife for Canyon to take advantage with an updated Torque.
Canyon


2018 Bikes


YT Capra

Although the Goatman, horror-themed launch edit for the Capra sticks in the mind like it was yesterday, the bike itself is approaching its third birthday at this point. In the time since its launch, we've seen some awesome limited-edition versions of the Capra but its age suggests could be due for another update soon.

The last Capra was a huge overhaul that included the addition of a 29er version, an increase in travel and the option of a full carbon frame.These updates meant the bike morphed from an all-mountain machine into something even more formidable, one of the earliest bikes to herald the resurgence of longer travel mountain bikes.
2018 YT Capra



Santa Cruz Blur & Highball

The Santa Cruz Blur and Highball were released on the same day in 2018 as Santa Cruz overhauled its shortest travel offerings in one swoop. It's an Olympic year in 2021 and Santa Cruz has already shown some serious intent by signing Maxime Marotte and Luca Braidot for its Santa Cruz FSA team so we expect they will be providing those top-tier riders something new to ride on too. In a world of ever more progressive bikes, we'll wait and see just how 'downcountry' Santa Cruz go with its weight weenie platforms.
Santa Cruz Blur CC X01 Reserve Photo by James Lissimore



Propain Hugene

The Propain Hugene was first introduced at the Garda Riva Bike Festival in 2018 and brought with it a suspension design that would eventually filter through Propain's entire range of bikes. The Pro 10 range now sits on everything except for its ebike and the downhill Rage - although a prototype version has been raced throughout 2020.

If the Hugene gets updated for 2021 expect another short travel ripper at competitive pricing from the German direct sale brand.
Garda Bike Fest 2018. Lago di Garda Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg



Yeti SB 100

The Yeti SB100 was one of our favourite bikes of 2018 and is arguably one of the bikes that spawned the term and trend of downcountry.

Short in travel but progressive in nature and full of ambition, the bike was designed to answer Yeti President Chris Conroy's question of ''How capable can we make a 100mm travel bike?'' It answered that question in one word - very. Last year Yeti released the SB115, which uses the same frame as the SB100, but we'll wait and see if Yeti are tempted to make a few nips and tucks or maybe create an entirely new short travel machine at some point this year.
Yeti SB100



Canyon Lux

The Canyon Lux was updated in 2018 and under Mathieu Van der Poel and Pauline Ferrand Prevot it has proven to be one of the most successful XC racing bikes. We later used it as our benchmark bike in the XC Field Test as we believed it to be a yardstick against which the other bikes should be measured. That being said, we felt that geometry could do with some tweaks when we did test it, especially as XC racing continually demands greater descending ability from riders and bikes nowadays. We look forward to seeing if Canyon has anything up its sleeve for the upcoming Olympics.
Canyon Lux



Trek Remedy

The Trek Remedy platform dates back to 2008 and since then it's been their ready-for-anything all-mountain machine with enough travel to get you out of trouble, but not enough to keep you from wanting to pedal it thousands of feet up into the alpine. Although the 2019 version looked very similar to its predecessors, it had tweaked geometry and suspension although it remained on 27.5" wheels with the Slash taking care of 29" duties.
Trek. Photo by Margus Riga



Rocky Mountain Thunderbolt

The carbon Thunderbolt was released in March 2018 with an aluminum version following in August. Moving up to 130mm on the normal models, and 140mm on the BC Edition, it placed the Thunderbolt firmly in the trail bike category although it remained stocked with 27.5" wheels only making it a bit of an outlier at that travel range. With short travel bikes becoming increasingly popular, we wouldn't be surprised if Rocky gave the Thunderbolt a few tweaks for 2021.
Rocky Mountain Thunderbolt






312 Comments

  • 207 2
 And you won’t be able to buy any of them!
  • 55 0
 until 2030
  • 12 2
 YT will have its new models come out this month. So as the Norco Range, which i am extremely interested. pretty much what was seen in the DH spyshots just with a different rear end but srill high-pivot !
  • 6 0
 @goflowz:

Norco's Range definitely has my attention.

Appears to be high pivot like you said, but also dual crown compatible.

I hear they have frames ready, but are waiting for parts before they release (as they keep the current limited supply of parts going to more volume sellers like the Optic and Sight).
  • 6 1
 @ocnlogan: Go to the very top of this page and click BuySell
  • 5 1
 Well no one is going to buy any of these bikes listed now are they - bet the manufs love this post.

(Tbf I’ve been gagging to see a new tracer for 2 years now! Come on, Jeff!)
  • 2 0
 @goflowz: how do you know about YT? Just based on the previous years or did I miss some news?
  • 7 2
 @Richt2000: “I’ve been gagging to see a new tracer for 2 years now! Come on, Jeff!”

Is that a felatio based joke???
  • 4 0
 @unrooted: no, sorry to disappoint. I guess British slang that doesn’t translate well to USA...
  • 10 6
 Could Polygon make an uglier bike wow that thing broke every Branch when it fell out of the ugly tree. I think they need to go back to square one...
  • 1 0
 @alexisalwaysonfire: They have released new models every year in January for as long as I can remember (or Google search.)
  • 1 0
 @alexisalwaysonfire: i was told by customer service to "keep an eye out this January for the new model years" back in november
  • 1 1
 @goflowz: Was told February or early march 2 days ago through an email chain with YT.
I asked if they will have 27.5 wheel based capra's and they said they can't share any info, let's hope!
  • 5 3
 @unrooted: the only intense l want to see is an aluminum intense. Carbon take a hike
  • 2 0
 @Richt2000: the carbine needs an update as well. the geo and sizing is starting to look old.
  • 1 0
 Lol right!
  • 1 0
 That's why used bikes cost the same as new
  • 1 0
 @spinzillathespacelizard: Big time! Tracer still looks nice, but WAY out of date!
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: We found it hard to swallow
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: not a single bike on this list is available in the current model year.
  • 2 0
 @wheelsmith: Except that this bike works incredibly well. I would consider the different look with an upgraded geo. I test the Marin and the Polygon version and both blew my mind!!!
  • 2 0
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: maybe because they are about to be updated, so they aren't making that many
  • 1 0
 @goflowz: Do you really think they will have new models coming out this month? I just ordered a 2021 Capra Elite and I'm already starting to wonder if I just spent $6500 on something that is already outdated.
  • 1 0
 @MxChase: yes, Commencal new bike year bikes come out in July for example. At this time it's better to wait. Why pre-order for April
  • 1 0
 @jejsd: Nice to know. And bike looks don't really matter to much. My opinion has always been you cannot see it when you're riding it so I'll agree what matters more. However I would have to keep my eyes closed until I got on that thing.
  • 1 0
 @wheelsmith: I have had one for just over two years and after awhile you really don't notice how it looks (for some reason it looks worse in their promo shots than in person). I have had zero issues with it and it has been a great bike all round. Had to do some bearing changes just recently, but given how much riding it has done that is pretty good. It pedals so well it even gets used for my work commute. Strangely my only complaint is actually how it looks when you ride it. The rear triangle is so fat that it gives a sort of weird feel on not being able to suss out any odd noise under you.
  • 113 3
 I can't wait for Orange's wild never-before seen designs!
  • 2 0
 Orange can't even send their bikes to PB to be included in the field test.
  • 1 0
 Combine harvester chic
  • 89 1
 Transition Patrol is due for an update too.
  • 14 0
 Yep. Surprised they missed this.
  • 26 1
 I'd like to see a new Smuggler that's between the Spur and Sentinel too.
  • 8 2
 Fingers crossed for a mullet setup
  • 5 1
 This was the one I came here to see as well.
  • 5 18
flag conoat (Jan 8, 2021 at 11:51) (Below Threshold)
 I wouldn't wager that really. if they do anything to the patrol, it's going to be that it gets spec'd mullet. and then for '23 it becomes a 29" bike that's a touch bigger travel and LLSer than the sentinel. #275is_mostly_dead
  • 21 3
 @conoat: Patrol will never be 29. Defeats its purpose in the lineup.
  • 5 2
 Yea, scouts geo is more ‘duro than the patrol....
Heres to a patrol in large with 490 reach, 63.5 HA, 78 SA and 435 chainstays....
  • 6 1
 @drakefan705: i hope you are correct
  • 4 2
 A Scout with a smidge mo travel would be rad
  • 5 5
 @drakefan705: tons of brands with 29" only lineups. It's not up to us, or Transition really. It will come down to what people are buying.
  • 5 1
 It's coming, relax, 27.5 will live on. But keep your eyes peeled for more TR surprises
  • 8 1
 I'd wager a Super Sentinel is on its way.
  • 3 1
 @bonkmasterflex: that's something to aspire to
  • 4 0
 @mtbschrader: #whereismycarbonsmuggler
  • 48 1
 I forgot Intense even existed.
  • 3 1
 Does Walrus still even make bikes?
  • 1 0
 Especially with the death of the circus....
  • 42 1
 Everything intense makes needs an update
  • 5 0
 Agree. The new primer was a step backwards imo - slacker actual seat angle, same short reach.
I’ve owned 2 intenses, but there is nothing in the line up today I would buy
  • 2 0
 I will say the m29 was a GREAT bike but it broke and had so many maintenance problems. Plus it’s also tiny @Richt2000:
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: @freeridejerk888 Agreed. Pretty much ALL their bikes are behind! They were supposed to release new updated enduro bikes this year and couldn't get their shit together. Sad.
  • 38 7
 Intense will probably be filing for bankruptcy. The brand isn't like what it use to be. I am from Socal, and don't see as many of their bikes like I use to in the early 2000s, even the slow decline in the mid-2008-2018 decade.
  • 32 1
 Because they're always 5 years behind on geo.
  • 31 1
 I'm sure paying Gwin's salary wouldn't be a priority for a company teetering on bankruptcy
  • 7 5
 Meanwhile Gwin is sucking up all of intense’s capital lol
  • 8 0
 @sdaly: Unless they banking on him having a winning 2020 season, trying to get people stoked on the brand again.
  • 13 2
 Sadly I think they will be go down the same path as Turner and Ellsworth. Ironically all three companies are/were in the same area, Temecula. The glory days of getting an aluminum frame welded right here in Socal. Well there is still Foes, which is literally down the street from me. Again they too are a little behind the times in modern bike geometry.
  • 6 4
 the only chance they have is to have more e-bike presence
  • 11 9
 I highly doubt Intense is in financial trouble. They would not have signed Gwin if they were in trouble and that was before the surge in bike sales because of COVID. You don't see many Intenses in SoCal like in the 2000s because there are dozens more bike companies to choose from. Intense still makes quality bikes and sells them worldwide. Also, they haven't dropped their prices on their bikes of late which tells me they are selling them.
  • 18 0
 I bought an Intense Primer Summer before last and it has been great - I shopped *everything* at the time and the package they offered was by far the best value at the time. Got a full carbon frame, full Sram GX 12spd, XT brakes, a RS Revelation fork with charger internals & debonair, free torque set, shock pump, free shipping, and the major icing was free e13 carbon wheelset (+aluminum wheelset!) = $4200. Weighs in under 30 lbs, 140/130 travel, great bike.
  • 6 0
 @tacklingdummy:

Gwin and the new team is a marketing cost they had to bring on investors for. It's a gamble not a result of them being financially flush with cash.

Interesting point on pricing, though.
  • 2 6
flag SuperHighBeam (Jan 8, 2021 at 12:47) (Below Threshold)
 @tonyplanet I doubt it, they basically piggyback on Santa Cruz. Their designs are virtually identical, only Intense has more *cough* intense graphics and paint.
  • 1 3
 @chriskneeland: To say that would be to say the same of Santa Cruz, no? Their bikes are virtually identical.
  • 3 0
 @SuperHighBeam: Don't know. I've never considered buying a SC.
  • 1 0
 @tonyplanet: shame foes don't answer e-mails or social media. The mixer enduro model they released was awesome..
  • 7 1
 How do so many bicycle brands even survive in the first place? The market seems ultra-saturated; not looking at actual ability to procure a bike, just the offerings. Now that online-only vendors are growing quickly, they would gobble up the market share of all the struggling, traditional brands in a normal world.

What criteria do most casual/weekend warriors use to select a bike? Pinkbike reviews -> Price -> Colors -> Parts? I couldn't care less what some pro is being paid to ride.
  • 5 0
 @cboatillo: I'm willing to bet anyone who's been on more than one bike pays pretty close attention to geometry and suspension kinematics.
  • 2 4
 @cboatillo: Reviews from multiple bike media outlets, price, colors/graphic, component kit, suspension design. Geo I'd argue is a low level factor.
  • 6 1
 @chriskneeland: Actually I somewhat doubt that. I believe the factors are

1. Aesthetics
2. Components
4. Geo/kinematics
5. Price

In that order with Price often overruling desires for 1-3
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: Say that to the 951evo (2015) whos geo is the same as many modern dh bikes.
  • 3 0
 @NorCalNomad: Except the Large fits like a modern Small...so in that case they're 10 years behind.
  • 1 0
 @sethius: I’m surprised by this. I was very close to buying a Ridgeback 29er in summer and they were pretty responsive.
  • 3 0
 @SuperHighBeam: Not really anymore since SC decided to go with the designs of the shocks mounted lower and that go through the seat tube on most of their frames. Their leverage curves are quite different. Both bike companies make great bikes.
  • 1 0
 @cboatillo: That is an awesome deal. I am not doubting that Intense makes quality bikes, I have demo them in the past and they ride great. What is concerning to me is that Intense deeply discounting their bikes. Which leads me to believe A) There inventory/logistics planning is bad and they over estimate the amount they will sell in a given year B) No one is buying them, and they have to deeply discount to get rid of them in a fire sale.

There is no way any company can sustain that for long. Look at YT, always out of stock or long wait times, pre-order. I think in order for Intense to sustain their business, they will need to move to adopt to that same sales model or something really similar.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: Intense has fires sales quite often. The last fire sale they did, they were throwing in free upgrade to carbon wheels, plus the extra set of aluminum wheels. Intense use to be "the boutique" brand back in the day (aluminum, made in America days), and they never discounted their bikes. I use to dream of owning one, and every time I would see on one on the trails I would be gawk and drool. Now when I see one on the trails, it's just the same as any other carbon bike out there. To be honest, I only really pay attention when I see "vintage" 26" wheeled ones on the trails these days.
  • 1 0
 @tonyplanet: They just dropped their prices on last year's models very recently. I was on their website within the last week looking at bikes and they were all at full price. Interesting. 2021 bikes are still at full price.
  • 1 0
 @sethius: They are small team. I think it's just Brent Foes, and two other guys in the shop. I always wonder how they stayed afloat all these years.
  • 3 0
 @chriskneeland: Agree with a bike like the primer, but the sniper was pretty much cutting edge when it came out. Geo solidly in the middle of what trail bikes were at the time in an XC light and efficient package.
  • 2 0
 @FJ40runr: The problem with the sniper is that's where short travel bikes already were at the time, so they were just catching up. They were close, but when other companies were already manufacturing bikes with steeper STA's, Intense put out a bike with and STA that we see on 2015 models. They're just always a few steps behind the rest of the industry.
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam:

With all due respect, I think you missed a Pinkbike comment requirement, my thoughts:

1. Water bottle
2. Aesthetics
3. Geo/ kinematic
4. Price/ components

I’d say price considerations is based on what components are on the bike. Do they charge $500 more for a GX build but still have cheapo wheels, or do they include some I9 wheels? But it’s obvious from bike redesigns, water bottles are considered important, as almost everyone has dumped bike designs that can’t fit a bottle in a normal place. I know it’s kept me from looking at a few bikes over the years.
  • 1 0
 @tonyplanet: I know. The have sales, but only on last years models like most companies. In the past year, they haven't been putting their last year's bikes on sale, until this past week. Tells me they are selling bikes. I have had five Intense bikes over the years.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: You know for sure that they had to get investors? My thought is that Jeff Steber is running the entire show ( founder, owner, ceo, frame designer, engineer, etc.). They also, have Neko Mulally, Seth Sherlock, and ambassadors like Chris Kovarik, Claire Buschar and several others.
  • 2 0
 @tonyplanet: I’m still rocking my M3, vintage head turner from the heydays!
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy:

yes this was part of the press release when Gwin joined
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: I know for sure they did
  • 1 0
 @j-rawk: Nice! I have been trying to find a used tazer full susp., the king of dual salom bikes. That bike was awesome, Tyler McCaul aka T-Mac was awesome on that bike back in the day in Red bull District/Joyride
  • 37 9
 Don't think the SB100 will be receiving any update considering they already turned it into the SB115 and the SB100 has since been discontinued.
  • 9 3
 Was literally about to say that. Pinkbike dropped the ball on that one
  • 18 0
 @rjwspeedjunkie: Dropped the crystal ball I might say.
  • 10 0
 Yeah but neither the front or rear triangle was reworked, just long-shocked right? coincidentally i was passed by a very fast rider (on the uphill) on a 100 or 115 this morning. It made me want a short travel rig but yetis are outside my price range for a second bike... would love Ibis to give us an alu Ripley to complement my RAF.
  • 1 0
 @Reamonnryan

I’d expect to see the SB100 actually replaced by a whole new model, rather than updated. Something that differentiates it more from the SB115. They really are very close now.
I think you’ll see Yeti have a more XC frame.
  • 4 0
 I'd of gone for a sb150 revision, 2021 is it's 3rd year. That's usually the switching point for Yeti.
  • 1 0
 Didn’t they file a bunch of new patents for suspension design?

Wheelbased did a guest article on here about them, maybe one of them is for the SB100.
  • 4 0
 @Upduro: I saw something about a gearbox ebike patent from them... the Pinkbike comment crowd will have a field day with that $15k piece of everything they say they hate.... but deep down they want so bad they have been taking online dental school courses.
  • 3 0
 @Mjwilson82: I have a suspicion bikes are going to be stretched for another year due to supply and demand being at odds right now
  • 2 0
 The 130 is due for an update. Make the lunchride spec standard, steepen the seat tube, and add SNACK storage in the frame. That's my dream.
  • 2 0
 @laksboy: Snack storage and an accessory mount, maybe adjustable chainstay length with a flip chip like some brands do, but I don't see their geo changing a whole lot. I don't think it needs to
  • 1 0
 @BigLips93: yeah, I'm a M size, so probably don't need the longer chainstay, but I totally agree, it should be a thing for the L & XL sizes.
  • 1 0
 @BigLips93: Yeah... adjustable geo will be all the rage for the next few years. Any new release will have to have it or risk getting bashed by reviewers. Adjustable geo is the new "long, low, slack".

Ill pass on any cubby holes or hidden multi purpose tools that are hardly functional. I carry a hydration back pack and its capable of transporting anything I need on a ride?
  • 1 0
 @Baller7756: you must not be very sweaty. I was a Camelback guy for 2 decades until this year. Getting all the water and weight off my back has been amazing. I'd love to have all my stuff inside the frame instead of strapped and taped to the outside...
  • 1 0
 @laksboy: Clearly there is a demand for it. I suppose, if I didn’t carry a bag, I would want somewhere to transport the necessities.

I just don’t want any excess rattles and shakes. I also don’t want excess weight on the bike. Carrying weight on your body is different than bike weight. I have been less than impressed with multi tools on the trail... I much prefer to carry real tools (hardly a few more ounces). I don’t think a water battle would be sufficient volume for my typical summer ride.

Sure... if it was race day... I would save weight everywhere, but just riding... real tools and sufficient water supply are a must.
  • 1 0
 @BigLips93: I agree, definitely going to be a year of catch up
  • 22 0
 The Santa Cruz Bronson may be in line for an update as well.
  • 7 1
 The current Bronson is almost entering its third model year (released in 2019). I'd bet it's got another 1.5 to two full years left.
  • 3 0
 @Trudeez: yep. expect to see 27.5 bikes get longer and longer life cycles....
  • 1 0
 I hope so! I would like to see an increase in reach to bring it more in line with the 5010 and Nomad.
  • 1 0
 Yep Santa Cruz usually updates their bikes every 2 years. It will be 3 years July 1st since this Bronson is out so I'm guessing the new one actually comes out this Spring. I wouldn't be surprised if the Hightower gets a redo on July 1.
  • 1 0
 @conoat: Wheels cant get mush bigger than 29"... you can already feel a pretty strong gyroscopic effect. So where do we go from there? We have a tendency to make "whats old, new again". You already see Mullet setups taking off... its probably in line with the adjustable geo trend to offer frame adjustments that allow for 27.5 or 29 or mullet setups. Leave the wheel size choice up to the rider.
  • 1 0
 @Baller7756: we did leave wheel size up to the rider. almost everyone picked 29. the issue is with production costs and sales volumes. there's a baked in cost to develop a new bike. you pay 100% of that cost before you sell a single bike. if you know you are going to sell 1000 bikes, cool. but what about the bike you maybe sell 100 of? you still going to spend the same amount?
  • 1 0
 @conoat: We did choose 29 the last few years. But that was most likely do to the “something new” factor, and the “bigger is better” factor.... oh and the “Strava” factor.

I just built my first modern geo 27.5 bike, and to me it’s like taking the training wheels off. I think most riders experienced 27.5 with older bikes with poorly designed frames, and suspension components... well all components actually.

I think there are enough riders who would prefer the ability to choose or switch wheels sizes on a single bike, that manufacturers will incrementally one up each other and offer it.
  • 1 0
 @Baller7756: I rode all the baller 27.5 160-170mm bikes from 2013 or so until 2018. Literally no expense spared. the best of the best. the second I jumped on my first 160 29er, back to back on the track I am most used to(maybe a 1000 pulls on it over 4 years or so?) I was instantly 5sec faster than my PR. And have since sliced 20 sec off of that. this is about a 3:30 track over 1.4 miles or so. 1300ft drop.

there is no reason for that besides wheel size. that smaller front wheel saps so much speed and momentum when you hit holes and rocks and roots. I think Mullet is the future for 27.5.
  • 16 0
 Been seeing so much Orbea hate lately and I don't understand it.

It was asymmetrical before stumpjumper, it was running shorter fork offsets and steeper STAs right when Transition came out with SBG, building crazy robust bikes with a lifetime warranty and a full customization program.

Also - is there a company in the biz that's been around as long as Orbea? Est.1840 (in manufacturing firearms no less) is pretty hard to beat. They'll innovate.
  • 1 0
 I'll add on the eeb front the new Orbea Rise is pretty innovative in that it sits between the Levo SL and full sized battery ebikes. The sweet spot IMO, the Levo SL just not different enough from an analog bike to justify the motor and battery.
For after work rides, all you need is 360wh, so you get to enjoy a light ebike for those. (more laps in daylight in winter) Slap the range extender on for longer days and you've got a full sized eeb all in one.
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 I think the Giant Trance 27.5 has had the same frame since 2017, at least 2018. The head angle is nearly in XC territory at this point.
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 For sure. I actually just checked on that myself.
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 Yep, same since 2017. Way past due for a geometry (and style update). I mean, 448mm reach in size large?? Unfortunately, their site shows 2021 Trances, and it's still the same frame. So that's five straight years of the same bike.
  • 2 0
 @tmargeson: And apparently people are still buying them too.
  • 1 0
 I think they are just going to let the 27.5 Trance die off.
  • 1 0
 I've got a 27.5 trance that I bought in 2019. Last year I slapped a 2 degree angleset on to "modernise" the geo. The reach is still tiny but its whatever. The bike shreds but I am definitively going to get something else eventually. The slack seat tube doesn't help it at all either.
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 It's even stranger when you compare that and the Trance 29 to the Trance X and Reign 29. Giant's release schedule for bikes is bizarre to say the least (and completely ignoring how their North American e-bike line-up changes every year).
  • 1 0
 I really like my 2017, but have been thinking getting something new and updated in the next year or two. Well interestingly enough I just discovered that the frame is cracked. Giant it’s going to be replacing the frame. So now I’m going to be getting a brand new 2021 frame with the exact same geometry as my old bike. I really can’t complain though because my old frame was pretty beat. I think instead of getting a new bike in the next year or two I’ll just update a couple parts on this one and roll with it for a few more years. Like I said it’s still super fun bike
  • 20 3
 Pinkbike hates 27.5 so much they left out the SC Bronson.
  • 15 0
 Forgot the original #downcountry bike, The 2017 Rocky Mountain Element. She's due.
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 What is the difference between Trail and Downcountry? They would appear to be synonymous.
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam: trail has tended to grow travel over the years opening up space for a new category that will sell more bikes?
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 @Mazador: That doesn't answer the question. You seem to be suggesting that Downcountry fits between XC and TR, so a 100-120mm travel bike is downcountry and 130-150mm is TR, 150mm-180 Enduro, 180-200+ FR/DH, and likewise 100mm is XC?
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 @SuperHighBeam: i was just being a bit snide about marketing being used to sell more bikes. For what it's worth, most people shouldn't be on xc bike which are made for racing. Here's what mtbr have to say:
"Unlike most mountain bike classifications, downcountry is not just signified by how much travel it has. Downcountry bikes are all about the combination of short travel and progressive geometry."
It does sound a bit like a modern trail bike with travel from a few years back no?
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 @SuperHighBeam: well my Element has 100 mm of travel in the rear with a 120mm ribbon and weighs 26 pounds. It's a great endurance XC race bike as well as a very capable trail bike, but only in the hands of an expert bike handler. I guess that's why so many people dont understand #downcountry it's a way of life bro. Sounds like a cushy trail bike would be perfect for you Wink
  • 2 0
 Came here to mention the Element. It was ahead of its time in 2017, but it already seems old compared to modern downcountry bikes, or even modern XC bikes.
  • 2 0
 @SuperHighBeam: I think the TR isn't going anywhere, but I also think its not necessary anymore. Recent geo designs have improved the downhill capability of short travel bikes, and improved the climbing and everyday riding capability of Enduro. The TR is kinda in the middle and doesn't outperform in any particular category... sort of like all season tires... jack of all trades master of none.
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 @Baller7756: So you're suggesting all that is needed now is XC, EN, and FR/DH. That seems a bit of a stretch unless XC bikes get more travel or a greater range of travel say 80mm-150mm, but that seems a bit ridiculous. For a lot of people a 150-180mm bike is just too much bike that beckons for terrain that is either beyond their comfort zone, beyond their ability, or of little interest to them. No sense in overbiking; get the right bike for 95% of one's riding, rent for the rest and save the coin for better components or other niceties in life. That I think justifies the continued presence of the TR category. Go XC if your terrain is relatively smooth or you race a lot. Go EN if you regularly ride some pretty rowdy terrain, otherwise TR is likely the place to be. TR fits a certain fun but not crazy niche. It doesn't need to outperform anything, it just needs to accommodate a very common use case. Same could be said of the other categories too.
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 @SuperHighBeam: I think the downhill capable XC bikes... better know as Downcountry and the improved geo Enduro bikes (no new name yet) have put the squeeze on the Trail category.

DC if you want to set Strava records (summer tires), Enduro if you want more confidence in the chunk (winter tires). Or Trail if you just wanna putt around in a Toyota (all-season tires).

Lots of people buy Toyotas...
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 @Baller7756: Downhill capable XC bikes...sounds an aweful lot like a synonymous term for a trail bike. What what I'm hearing is that Downcountry IS Trail but perhaps it sounds cooler. There will always be dedicated low travel XC bikes for those can't quite tolerate the hardtail super racey variants so to say that all XC bikes are putting the squeeze on the Trail category seems like a farce. Admittedly the line between XC and TR and TR and EN has gotten decidedly blurred. Just like categories in the automotive world.

"DC if you want to set Strava records (summer tires), Enduro if you want more confidence in the chunk (winter tires). Or Trail if you just wanna putt around in a Toyota (all-season tires)." I'm not following your analogy here. Seems more like your comparing tires than bikes. I think what you were suggesting is if Go-fast is your goal-> DC, if you want to tackle some gnar ->EN, if you just want to enjoy trails at a modest pace with moderate difficulty->TR. Guess what, most people do TR...TR ain't going anywhere. I'd also argue that many of the 130-140mm travel TR bikes can manage DC pretty well thanks to their slack and long geo.
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 @SuperHighBeam:

There is no such thing as Downcountry, the proper term is #Downcountry
Do you race XC regularly? Apparently that is the only way you would understand #Downcountry.

A #downcountry bike is an XC race bike that has been modified to also be able to rip trails (Burlier fork, long travel dropper post, wide handlebars, maybe meatier tires) Usually a hardcore XC race bike would have none of this. If you have ever tried to win an XC race on a trail bike, you would know it will not happen. That is where #downcountry comes in. I can win XC races on my Element and still beat you down your favorite descent on it. Now brands are starting to spec XC bikes this way. Look at the new Epic vs Epic Evo.

Just because you don't understand a category doesn't mean you should try and shoehorn it into your own twisted worldview and tell us we are all wrong. Accept that you may not know what you are talking about and move on. You obviously don't need a #downcountry bike so why do you care?
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 @SuperHighBeam: Yeah... sorry about the tire analogy. You would have to be into that sort of thing to get it. I believe you got the idea though. And you're right TR isn't going anywhere... its the safe zone, its the bike people choose when they are non-committal to their riding style or just not that into bike details... the bike you just buy and ride... take it to the LBS when its not shifting well. They are easy to sell too for those same reasons. Point is they are middle of the road... not great at any particular aspect of riding.

@hardcore-hardtail offered a great example of the TR squeeze with Specialized:
Epic... Epic Evo...Stumpy...Stumpy Evo. I'm saying the Stumpy is the odd bike out... the Epic Evo is tons faster and still trail capable... the Stumpy Evo can handle rougher chunk and still pedal well on the Greens... the Stumpy is just in the middle... blah.
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 @Baller7756: "And you're right TR isn't going anywhere... its the safe zone, its the bike people choose when they are non-committal to their riding style or just not that into bike details... the bike you just buy and ride... take it to the LBS when its not shifting well." This comes across as a bit offensive. Trail is a not a non-commital choice. Trail is for those that ride more aggressive and want a more comfortable ride than a conventional cross country bike. To really justify an enduro bike you need to be regularly riding over large obstacles, hucking drops, hitting large jumps, or just riding otherwise very gnarly terrain. That just isn't most riders. That more a matter of being conservative than being non-commital. Trail is a sweet spot where you can maximise the fun factor without taking large risks. So I do not agree with your sentiment about why buy a trail bike. Plus I'd say there are plenty of serious bikers that ride trail and care for there own rig. You make trail bikes out to be overly compromised, and I just can't seem to agree with that either. They are really good for the right group of riders, which is also true for all of the other bike categories.
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 @SuperHighBeam: I'm disappointed... but not surprised that someone is offended... its the in thing now a days. No offence...

I can have fun on any bike...but I just cant buy a TR again. It just feels a little too slow when I want speed, and a little too limited and compromising when I want to "take risks". I can do all the middle ground stuff with a DC or EN bike... so it just makes more since (to me) to choose a type of riding that I'm more inclined to do (DC or EN) and do that really well... but also use the bike for the middling stuff.

I myself have a couple bikes... so I can choose a bike for the type of riding I want.
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 @Baller7756: That's fair. If a TR bike doesn't meet your needs so be it. I am curious though, in your opinion what physically differentiates a DC bike from a TR bike? You obviously feel there is a difference so I'm curious what you perceive that to be. It may also be worth pointing out what you feel the difference is between an XC bike and DC bike.
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 @SuperHighBeam: Sure... Ill give it a go.

XC = 80-100mm, less aggressive geo, 23+/- pounds, less aggressive/light weight tires.
DC = 110-120mm, low/long/slack geo, 26+/- pounds, aggressive/light weight tires.
TR = 130-140mm, less aggressive geo, 29+/- pounds, aggressive/mid weight tires.
EN = 150-170mm, low/long/slack geo, 32+/- pounds, aggressive/mid weight tires.
DH = 180+mm, low/long/slack geo, 35+/- pounds, aggressive/heavy weight tires.

In this example... the TR looks like it has a nice slot to fit in... and it does (as I have said). I just prefer the speed and aggressiveness of the DC, or the bomber capability of the EN... both of which can do the middling duties of casual riding just as well as the TR (thanks to modern geo).
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 @Baller7756: Interesting. You're argument seems to hinge entirely on TR bikes not have modern geometry, i.e. low/long/slack. Yet many companies have made these very changes to their TR bikes in recent years. So are you suggesting that DC bikes merely have lower/longer/slacker geometry than the already modern low/long/slack geometry of contemporary TR bikes while also having less travel and less weight? This gets really confusing too when you consider if a bike's suspension travel is dictated by the fork or by the rear suspension. For example, my bike has modern low/long/slack geometry, 115mm of rear travel, and 130mm of front travel and is marketed as a TR bike. But, by your definition, my TR bike might actually be a DC bike despite having the weight of a TR (XL full carbon frame with dropper post and aluminum wheels).
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 @SuperHighBeam: So you have an SB115?

Yes... I think the issue at hand is that traditional TR bikes with "modern geo" have pushed themselves very close to EN. creating a gap that has been filled by DC bikes. And that is the whole issue... traditional TR bikes have been replaced by DC and modern geo TR bikes now more like EN bikes.
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 @Baller7756: Actually no, I have a carbon Pivot Mach 429 Trail. But same tier of bicycle I guess you could say.

That is an interesting assessment of TR bikes. It's almost like you're suggesting that there are two tiers of EN bikes. Compromised EN bikes formally called TR bikes with 130-140mm travel and actual EN bikes that have 150-170mm travel. This is an interesting theory and opinion. So here's a funny thought, I wonder where you would place my previous bike a 2012 vintage 110mm front and rear travel FSR bike (that was also considered a TR bike). It wasn't low/long/slack by current standards but it was compared to the XC bikes of its day. By your rubric though, I wonder if you'd consider that an XC bike today.

I have not had the opportunity to ride a contemporary DC bike, but seeing as how I able to fully utilize my 130mm/115mm rig, I doubt the DC bike would have enough travel to meet my needs, yet a 150-170mm bike is far too much bike for my comfort level to fully utilize. Nonetheless you posit an interesting argument about why the market needs DC, TR, and EN. I think there are probably valid arguments for the elimination of either DC or TR. But now that, for example, FOX has a 32, 34, 36, 38, and 40 I find it hard to believe any of the categories (XC, DC, TR, EN, FR, DH) are going anywhere anytime soon. It a buyers market and you can now find a bike that fits your needs perfectly, or buy multiple bikes to address multiple needs (that is what the bike industry wants us to do)...that good old adage of how many bike do you need? N+1 is always the answer and the bike industry is making sure there is always an option for that +1 bike.
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 @hardcore-hardtail: Didn't realize hashtags were so critical these days. I thought that was just a social media tagging thing, not actually part of a name.

I do race XC, but I also race other categories. I feel like you described a compromised XC bike rather than an enhanced XC bike. If I were serious about racing XC I'd just own an XC bike. I want a quiver killer bike I'm not going with a #Downcountry bike that isn't going to be aggressive enough. I really doubt your DC will be as pleasurable, comfortable, or as fast my TR bike to descend. I wouldn't say I am trying to shoehorn the DC category in my world view to tell anyone their wrong. But certainly do question why the DC category needs to exist but perhaps it could be argued that a DC bike is compromised XC bike in the same sense that a TR bike is a compromised EN bike. That is probably a fair argument."You obviously don't need a #downcountry bike so why do you care?" Touche. I care because I feel bad for those just entering the sport that are likely overwhelmed by the diversity of bikes to choose from and the lack of clarity about what each category of MTB of is best suited for. Besides that, who does "need" a DC bike and why won't another category meet their needs? I think that is probably a tough question to answer and I suspect a big factor is simply stigma. I bet a there are a lot of guys that enjoy riding XC but don't want, what may be perceived as, a soft, weeny image so they forego the XC bike and select a DC bike because that's more macho and perhaps a little more versatile and because one bike is all they can afford to have. Winning races isn't important to me, I'd rather have fun and push myself in the company of others in XC, DC, and TR races hence a TR bike was the best choice for me (and I only have one bike).
  • 15 0
 Giant glory please
  • 2 0
 that bike has looked the same forever
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 Yeah that one has not been updated since 2015. Which could also mean that they worked so well there wasn't any need for change.There were some pictures of of a 29'' wheeled prototype in 2019.
  • 2 0
 If they made it more progressive and 29 it would be current now. Maybe a bit longer but they were ahead of their time with the geo.
  • 11 0
 13 bikes that could be due an update - and one that should be set on fire. Sorry Polygon.
  • 2 0
 Hahaha!! :-)
  • 1 0
 Bet it'll die in their lineup just like Marin. That frame has been very universally scorned and rightly so.
  • 1 1
 None of you guys have spent much time on one obviously. It is an amazing suspension system. Travel for days, real bob free climbing, it lives up to the marketing hype. My mate has one and if there was ever any stock in my size, I would be on one too now. Instead I own two other bikes to cover the riding a single xquareone does.
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 I would guess the Pivot Trail 429 will be updated soon.
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 I actually asked them about this about a month ago, and they said they felt there were other bikes that needed to be updated first. Based on that I'd gather 2022...especially since they had the "enduro" model come out this year
  • 3 0
 @DBoyle: wow, they're missing out on a lot of sales with a bike that leans heavy and conservative on geo. too many other good alternatives now.
  • 3 0
 Hmmm....I think this bike will be new in 2021.
  • 1 0
 They will release a new version with updated geo, this bike should be competing against the Spur, Ripley, etc... and it's out of date. Of course you won't be able to buy one for another 5 years, but...
  • 1 0
 Maybe but it was just updated in late 2018. I bought mine right before the new version came out, glad I did. The new one wasn't nearly as pretty and the geo wasn't particularly different.
  • 1 0
 New Firebird this year I think
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 @Brasher: That seems more likely.
  • 1 0
 Right on!
  • 1 0
 @Brasher: My wallet hates the prospect of a new firebird
  • 3 0
 I own the current Mach 5.5 so I'm not really in a rush to have it be "outdated" officially, but I believe its the oldest bike now in Pivot's line up. Unless they just do away with it?
  • 8 0
 the norco range should have an update soon as well. or will it be phased out by the sight? I know the gehrig twins ride the sight for ews.
  • 4 0
 Prototypes were ridden at the cranworks summer series. I suspect we'll see it announced closer to spring.
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 It’s coming....
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 Norco is going to release a high-pivot enduro/all-mountain bike this spring/summer that will sit below the Shore in terms of geo/travel. It was originally slated for March but production delays have pushed it back to Summer as Norco would like to have manufactured stock upon release. Should be a good one!
  • 9 3
 I read somewhere, probably nowhere legitimate, that the Remedy would be moving to 29" and slotting in between the Fuel EX and the Slash. That'd be a rad bike, if they skip the gimmicks and give it the geo it deserves.
  • 3 0
 There's always Chinese whispers coming from trek, I wouldn't be surprised to see the current remedy continue for a year at least. I was working at the WC 3 years ago and the trek staff were talking to us about the 'new' slash that was to be released the next year.
  • 3 0
 Which is funny because there used to be a Remedy 29 that seemed pretty good (and won EWS races).

Maybe they'll mullet the new one... if they can nail the geo (for once).
  • 30 4
 How bout not moving every single bike to 29" wheels?
  • 1 0
 I think the remedy is going to die entirely. Already barely any models available.
  • 10 1
 No thanks. I love my Remedy on 27.5 only thing is I wish it had a TWAT box and steeper STA
  • 1 0
 @TadejStrah: then all mtbs will have the same wheel size...isn't it incredible to think of a situation where all bikes are on the same wheel size??
  • 8 1
 A trek remedy with 27.5 and same travel but longer reach and shorter seat tube would be more or less ideal for my next bike....
  • 9 0
 probably going wild with reach will not happen, since everyone refers to the remedy as "BMX handling MTB". Can't see Trek moving the remedy to a "enduro 27.5" approach.
Shorter seat tube hopefully, and a little more steep.
  • 7 0
 @HopeFbn: wouldn’t want to go crazy with the reach either, circa 470 for a large would be nice. Also wouldn’t want to lose the playful handling though....
  • 6 0
 @Dav82: Yes. This please with the TWAT box and I'm in. Even if I have to "rIdE aRounD on a TrEk."
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 @Stoaks: yep, if they add the box like they did with the Fuel Ex and the Slash them I am going to buy a frameset right away.
Hopefully they add it on the alloy version.
Remedy won't increase wheelbase I assume.
  • 4 0
 If they remove knockblock I'd buy it in a heart beat
  • 1 0
 @Cambornerider: I love my remedy as is, but barspins would be nice....
  • 10 1
 Every bike should be updated to mullet and chainstay options
  • 12 4
 Mullet is a good option, but not for everyone. I think 27.5 will always have his place in the industry
  • 8 0
 @timcloutier: I agree. People with a jumping/freeriding influence like the balanced/ symmetrical feel of keeping the wheels the same front and back. 26 to 27.5 had nice advantages, without taking too much away from that nimbleness. Jumping up to 29 makes enough difference to alter the way you ride. I think both wheel sizes have their place and definitely have their pros and cons. NSMBs review of the Nomad had a good point. 29 is fast plowing over rough terrain and maintains traction well, but 27.5 accelerates faster when pumping backsides and is more nimble. If you ain't racing, 27.5 and mullet are great options and arguably more fun (bike dependant of course. I've had an absolute blast on some short travel 29ers).
  • 7 1
 Evil insurgent hasn’t changed since 2015, except for swapping the rear axle to boost and calling it the V2 Insurgent. Cmon EVIL, give me some 27.5 love damnit!
  • 5 0
 Are you telling me that as an orange owner myself that they won't be updating the designs on the suspension linkage. Absolutely flabbergasted and shook to the core.
  • 5 0
 I think the last time Trek refreshed the Session, it came out looking like... a Session.
  • 4 0
 Supposed to have a new Rocky Instinct out, as a 2021 or 2022 model soon??! May form basis for new Thunderbolt. Or maybe the newest Altitude will be the blueprint?
  • 2 0
 2021 Instinct [new frame with updated geometry] is out in a few months [March/April?] with XS and S sizes in 27, and S to XL in 29. Thunderbolt may be relegated to entry-level alloy.
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 I think the thunderbolt is being phased out. RM will combine the instinct/thunderbolt platforms like they did with the altitude/instinct bc and the blizzard/Suzy q. Also their website now lists the 2020 instinct as archived in the drop-down but no option for 2021 yet. The announcement should be soon. I know they can be ordered. My lbs ordered one with delivery anticipated in April.
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 unpopular opinion but the Polygon Xquare is the only bike in that list that's interesting. Its a shame it scores so poorly in the looks department. The linkage is proven by now under the Polygon UR team. They just need to make one that doesn't look like something out of a cheesy 90's sci-fi.
  • 9 4
 Bronson will be a mullet in 2021
  • 5 2
 @freeridejerk888: Yes, I have proof
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 @timcloutier: proof you care to share?
  • 3 2
 @CircusMaximus: Unfortunately I said too much so I can't. But I know a guy working in a SC dealer and saw it
  • 3 2
 Lmao well he’s wrong so @timcloutier:
  • 2 1
 My prediction for 2021/2022 bike updates..... all will now be able to fit water bottle. 2022/2023....half the bikes out there will have SWAT box or some variation of it like Trek did.

2023/2024....the bike updates.. new standard suckers. Your bike is now obsolete.
  • 2 0
 tsss tsss, Thunderbolt... I might already know of something sexy in the works. As for Intense, as soon as you went to MEC, I dumped you out of my fleet and will never buy your products again.
  • 5 1
 Wonder if this will be the year Orange decided to update one of their bikes
  • 4 0
 Norco Range??? Thats been around for a few years and hopefully an update is coming this year
  • 1 0
 Good call! That's WAY out of date!! Forgot about that one, it's so old.
  • 1 0
 Norco will release a high-pivot enduro bike this summer. Been in the works for a long time. Hotly anticipated by many folks at Norco shops!
  • 1 0
 Aint no way Polygon is updating that thing. I predict they will replace it with a more traditional bike. Surprised Transtion patrol is not on this list. I'm sure it will get an update as soon as Transition can manage to put it out.
  • 4 0
 The recently updated Spectral has made the Canyon Strive look very outdated, both in terms of geometry and parts selection.
  • 2 0
 Polygon never made enough of the xquareone. I spent two solid years waiting patiently for the local distributor to get some in “.....the next shipment.” I ended up buying another canyon torque and a Scott spark.
  • 1 0
 Giant Trance 29 released '19 model in 2018, I'd hope for an updated '22 model in 2021. Nothing crazy; 5-10mm reach, 2 degree steeper STA, .5 degree steeper HTA, 120mm rear travel, maybe a flip chip but wouldn't miss if it didn't have it.
  • 1 0
 IMO....CRITICAL times for the non big 4 in the USA.
The gorilla in the room is how serious the smaller manufacturers are paying attention to E bikes. That segment for any "serious" manufacturer has to be taken into account. They either put money and research into it or they don't. It's expensive and time-consuming.
Like it or not.......the roots of the e-bike movement have already been planted, e-bikes aren't going away......and for those manufacturers who've already made a commitment to them, it's likely crap or get off the E-bike pot now.
Couple that with the fact that a new administration will likely tighten regulation even more IC engines (in the recreational realm)......will the new leaders push a mandatory, lasting shutdown to attempt to control covid?
The next year will as critical for bike manufacturers and any time in the modern era.
SC HAS to make a splash with a serious xc bike given their commitment to a real xc team on the international stage so huge year for them to make a push.
  • 1 0
 @kclw: I looked at the picture posted by Pinkbike and then looked at the Stumpjumper on the Specialized site. At first glance they look very similar. On closer inspection, I do see that although the Orbea shares a very similar overall front triangle form factor but the tubes are larger and the upper link for the rear suspension is further inset on the frame. So yes I stand corrected the Rallon is different from the Stumpjumper but only subtly so. Again perhaps it is due to for a refresh that I suspect is likely not all that different from what Specialized did to Stumpjumper even though they are distinctly different bikes and not the clones that I initially perceived them to be.
  • 4 2
 I hope the Trek Session doesn't get a new look, because then how could you say "looks like a ......."

Never mind, I'll let myself out......
  • 3 1
 Looks like a Gambler Wink
  • 1 0
 It will be a high pivot. Trek info..
  • 4 0
 Waiting for a new Saracen Ariel.
  • 1 0
 Any information about that? I'm interested!
  • 1 0
 @Chnoux: No. But they have not released a 2021 model. And no updates to the frame since 2018.
  • 4 0
 The Intense Tracer is definitely due for an update. Also the Carbine.
  • 1 0
 'At the heart of the bike is the Darrel Voss' Naild R3act that was claimed to give incredible pedalling performance despite the bike's 180m travel.' Quite the accomplishment indeed.
  • 4 0
 Naming a product like that without dying of laughter is the real accomplishment.
  • 2 0
 Um, the revised '21 Thunderbolt is out - and it has been increased to 140/150 rear/front suspension in the standard alloy 10 and 30. I'm riding the new A30 and love it.
  • 1 0
 Still riding my "XC Trail" 2017 RM Thunderbolt with 130/120 mm travel. Was hoping they would come out with a mid-travel 29er replacement that has a bit more travel than the Element? (I certainly don't need a 170mm enduro or a 150mm trail bike.)
  • 3 0
 YT Izzo Base (alloy)? Not an update, however should be an interesting bike.
Specialized Levo SL based on new stumpy geo.
  • 1 0
 I think Orbea may be a smaller more nimble company capable of getting a product to market faster than Specialized, but you could be right. Regardless, I doubt the Rallon will see any updates since it's essentially brand new.
  • 1 0
 Wondering about ibis ripley...been wanting one since 2019 release but it hasn't worked out. Since previous gen was only 2 yrs, I'm hesitant to get one this year only to have it be immediately be "last-gen"
  • 3 0
 Rocky mountain element was also introduced in 2017, so hopefully a new one this year.
  • 2 0
 @jamessmurthwaite you've 'Scott your dates wrong.
Current spark was my2017, current Genius my2018.
Spark comes first in Scott's typical refresh cycle.
  • 3 0
 Damn, mine wasn't on the list.
  • 4 0
 New Uzzi from Intense?
  • 1 0
 I was thinking Spider. But yeah Uzzi makes sense.
  • 3 0
 "t's an Olympic year in 2021"

Doubt
  • 3 0
 I can't see the Genius being updated before the Spark.
  • 1 0
 Didn't the lux get updated geometry with the new exceed in 2020? I recall a press release stating as much, primarily to give pro riders the same geo on ht & fs bikes.
  • 1 0
 Transition Patrol? Something must be going on behind the scenes over there with the lower seat tubes, a touch longer, new looks business.
  • 3 0
 Yes, Polygon Xquare need a huge update...
  • 1 0
 Eagerly awaiting the Blur update. I was going to just buy another one this year, but I'm glad COVID and everything else is forcing me to wait!
  • 1 0
 If Santa Cruz redoes the blur I'm getting one asap to replace my current blur. It rips already and that Lower shock design would be awesome to match my Hightower.
  • 6 5
 Hightower, Megatower, Jeffsy, Capra, and Pivot Firebird all due for an update
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 I disagree on the Jeffsy, but only a little. I rode a friend's J29 (top build) and loved how agile and light it was, it handled amazingly compared to raked out enduro sleds. I say keep it an everyman's trail bike. You can already upfork it to 160 which gets the hta down to 65 1/2 ish. It's a fun bike that shouldn't be enduro-ized too much imo.

And the sta is already refreshingly steep plus in the high setting and with a 160 fork it looks like it'll work with a smaller rear wheel without killing the geo or putting your pedals at too much risk of killing you in the rocks.
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 Hightower just got it last year, right?
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 @dmondave: I feel like its already dated geo wise, along with the megatower. I know santa cruz is somewhat conservative but its fallen behind quickly in the geo category
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 A Megatower update in ‘21 was alluded to by a SC email floating around in an owners group.

The fact that they added a coil and long forked it this year seems to confirm the geo is already dated and soon to be updated. Every time SC mutates the original bike they update it the next model year.
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 Agree, the geo on the Capra almost looks pre-historic compared to it's fellow enduro bikes
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 How to Make the Pinkbike Comment Section Angry 101:

Orbea CEO: "Hey, Orbea designers, did you see? Specialized came out with a new Stumpjumper! Time for us to update the Rallon so they are practically identical looking bikes!"

Orbea Designers: "OK, we're on it"

Smile
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 I want to see a new transition bottle rocket.
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 Isn't the scout just a modern br? But I agree tbh. I love mine, just wish it were lighter and a bit longer.
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 @Kamiizoo: pretty sure the br was heavily slopestyle focused. people used it as a trail bike (actually had a 888 on mine and used it for dh, lol) but I don't believe it was intended for that.
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 @happycatbasket: freeride. Meant to take an absolute beating on the biggest jumps you can do. Yeah now that I think of it the scout isn't really a modern br.
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 Remedy got a minor platform update in 2019 FYI, the current one is not from 2018
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 Evil Calling? Or is it already perfect?
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 Scott Genius is a 2018 bike.
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 It was updated in 2017
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 @boozed: that's a negative. The Spark was updated for MY2017, the Genius for MY2018.
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 Evil The Calling and The Insurgent need an update as well
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 My guess is if they even keep those bikes in line up.. they get mullet options.
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 Turner RFX
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 Cannondale Habit needs an update. They did the Scalpel in 2020, so maybe this year?
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 Diamondback Release, which has had the exact same frame since 2016.
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 Keep the Trek Remedy and Rocky Thunderbolt the same! They are perfect the way they are tup
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 Devinci spartan! Can't wait for a new model!
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 Forgot about that one. It's way out of date too.
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 I’m pretty sure Intesne teased a tracer but instead just finally spec good parts on their out stated bikes
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 Bummed that Scott is SO out of date! They make really nice bikes. Maybe next year....or I mean this year. ha.
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 Betcha the whole SB line, starting with the Yeti SB150 will get a late-summer/early-fall update in 2021.
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 What about the Canyon Strive? That geo is a good 2-5 years out of date.
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 A little birdy from within YT told me that the new Capra will be released either late January or early February.
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 Megatower
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 Eifeltower
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 Trumptower..........I'll see myself out...
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 @mildsauce91: that was some spicysauce here
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 @Hamburgi: Megatower went out not even 2 years ago. 64.7 HA is still a trend. The reach is a bit short but I don't think it's a necessity for bike brands to update bikes every 2 years just for 15mm more reach and 0.5 degrees slacker HA and steeper STA.
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 @timcloutier: Exactly, still relevant. Strip the paint, change the color and voila good to go for another year. err maybe not.
  • 1 0
 Now it wont look like a session????‍♂️
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 Can't tell if you have a lead on whether or not this is happening or if you are calling out the companies to get it done?
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 What if a new Session doesn't look like a Session?
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 Oh my, the pinkbike world would end as we know it, jk. Or what if the new session looks like all of the other bikes in it's class, who's the copy cat then? Would you still say that everything looks like a session, or would a different bike become the benchmark since they were first?
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 Internet implodes
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 The current gen Capra still has pretty modern geo with the exception of the STA. Im sure the next gen will have a water bottle holder just to shut people up.

Regardless I’m pretty excited to see what they do. I definitely plan to get one to replace my 2018 at some point.
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 You're kidding right? The HTA is 1.5-2.5 deg steeper than its competition, STA the same though too slack, Reach is so short you'll be cramped on the bike. It needs a big overhaul.
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 @Mjwilson82: i just put a -1.5 headset in mine so there is nothing to complain about geometry wise. Lack of bottle holder is a pain though. The seat tubes are quite low, I sized up to a large despite being closer to a medium, so reach is fine. Amazing bike for the price.
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 @Mugen: Certainly not disagreeing that it's a great price for the bike. Though you could argue if you are putting an angle set in and sizing up beyond what you usually would there's something that needs changing in the design?
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 @Mjwilson82: YT sizing is different as they go Small to XXL so people can size up/down. The reach is definitely modern. Is it the longest out there? No, but it’s definitely not a short bike. When I bought one it was one of the only long travel enduro bikes that was over 500mm in its biggest size. Most new bikes are 500-520 in their biggest size.

Head tube angle is at 65 degrees. Most new enduro bikes are 64. I expect the next gen to slacken a little.

Chain stays 435-440 depending on size. They were ahead of the game by changing the length based on bike sizes. Modern numbers here.

STA is pretty shit. 75.5 effective is definitely not realistic. Biggest issue I have with it, especially running a 210mm dropper.

Just look at the new slash for comparison... the Capra is pretty darn close geo wise and is 3 years old. With the exception of the STA and a slightly steeper HTA, the bike has pretty modern geometry.
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 @Mjwilson82: of course it would be better if the geo was up to date or even pushing the boundaries, but compared to a lot of bikes in this list, saying the geometry of the current model is completely out of date is pushing it a bit. I'm just saying with a 60e upgrade mine has geometry that is about the same as many 2021 bikes. No need to downvote everyone in the discussion...
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 Cotic Flare is due for an update too!
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 hope that the next remedy has knock block 2.0 and a downtube stash
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 Knolly brings back the Podium.
  • 1 0
 Attention Rocky Mountain, please to make a 3 position single flip chip.
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 So the Bronson is not receiving any updates this year?
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 @cocatellez @CMRider I was thinking the Bronson was just done in 2019 for 2020. No?
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 I think (and hope) the Knolly Warden can be added to this list
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 New Warden and Delirium were just released. If you mean Endorphin, I hope so too. I asked Knolly about and they said it not until late 2021 or early 2022.
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 What about the Rocky Mountain Maiden. It’s been 5-6 years??
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 Transition, please BRING BACK THE BOTTLE ROCKET
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 Grim Donut anyone?
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 Needs to be more progressive!
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 yt capra, mine is awesome but it could use a stepper head tube
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 Transition Patrol may be missing also
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 How about every one of Niner's mountain bikes?
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 Expect new Alutech dirt jump frame coming this spring.
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 Pivot Firebird
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 You forgot about the jekyll! Sexy update otw...sexy colors aswell imo
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 New balfa bb7 is overdue
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 The Bronson is due too!!
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 Mondraker foxy 29
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 Pivot Mach 5.5
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