2012 Crank Brothers 5050 Pedals - First Impressions

Jun 1, 2011
by Mike Levy  
What is it: Crank Brothers' fresh 5050 platform pedal is completely new from the ground up, sharing next to nothing with the original version. Using a unique two piece design that employs different materials - aluminum for the platform's outer section and polycarbonate for the inner - these novel pedals are quite different from other options on the market. There are two versions available: a 428 gram, black and silver version that retails for $80 USD and spins on a combination of a bushings and cartridge bearings, and a black and red, 433 gram model that features a body with more cutouts to shed both weight and mud, as well as rotating on both needle and cartridge bearings. Both models come from Crank Brothers with a five year warranty.

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Crank Brothers' redesigned 5050 pedals are completely new for 2012 and feature a novel two piece aluminum and polycarbonate body. The higher end 5050 3 model shown above uses a combination of needle and cartridge bearings.

Crank Brothers 5050 pedal details:

- Entirely new design for 2012
- Two piece aluminum and polycarbonate platform
- Forged scm435 chromoly steel spindles
- Height adjustable set screw traction pins (10 per side)
- 5050 3 uses needle/cartridge bearings, weighs 433g and retails for $100 USD
- 5050 2 uses bushing/cartridge bearings, weighs 428g and retails for $80 USD.
- Both models have 5 year warranty.
- Available in July


The details: Crank Brothers' 5050 pedals are not an evolution of the original model, but rather a completely new design. The most obvious difference between the old and new models is the body, with the 2012 version being a hybrid that uses a polycarbonate inner section combined with a more traditional aluminum outer segment. The question is, why mix the two materials? Crank Brothers says that the polycarbonate is lighter than the aluminum that it replaces, while still being very resilient to abuse that it would see while attached to the crank arms of a downhill bike. Even if it is lighter, it would no doubt incur damage in short order if the entire pedal was made from polycarbonate, which is why the outer section, the part of the pedal that is likely to strike the ground, is still made from aluminum. Two torx bolts hold the two sections together, making them easy to replace if the worst does happen. Total pedal height for the new model is 5mm slimmer than the original version.

The new pedals are also drastically different internally, with both models using a forged scm435 chromoly spindle that Crank Brothers claims is 50% stronger thanks to a new shape that can better handle high loads. The new two piece body is also far better sealed against the elements than the original design which should greatly extend bearing life. Traction is provided by 10 set screw pins on each side, all being adjustable in height to allow you to fine tune the grip to your liking.


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The pedal's polycarbonate inner section is mated to the aluminum outer portion with sturdy torx bolts (left) that are hidden from damage within the pedal body.
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The new 5050 pedals (right) are 5mm slimmer than the original design (left).


First impressions: Spending a few days on the new 5050 pedals clearly doesn't warrant a proper review - it's the long term impressions and reliability that count - but the new Crank Brothers platforms certainly do look promising. My Commencal demo bike was fitted with the less expensive, bushing and cartridge bearing equipped 5050 2 pedals, and unlike many other bushing based designs, they spun free and smooth despite being brand new. There are good arguments for both flat top pins (they tend to stand up better against rock strikes and are easier to replace) and the set screw pins that are fitted to the 5050's (the open top and sharper edges usually do provide more grip than most flat top studs), but I do prefer the latter. Traction was impressive, despite the height adjustable pins being set relatively low, and I never managed to slip a single pedal during my time on them. There is a slight amount of concave shaping to the pedal body that helps increase purchase, but this can be increased further by dialing out the pins along the body's leading and trailing edges while leaving the inner pins set low.

I did manage to ding them off a few rocks, thanks to some mis-timed pedaling, but they didn't look any worse for wear after my time on them. While the pedal body appears to be up to the task, I can't comment on their long term durability at this point. Looking at the new 5050 pedals, it is clear that Crank Brothers took the criticism of their original design and went back to the drawing board in an effort to build a more reliable platform pedal - stronger axles and better sealing should help answer the doubters. Stay tuned for more long term impressions down the road and look for out for Sam Hill, Aaron Gwin, Steve Peat and other riders using them on the World Cup circuit.


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There are a lot of cool FJ's out there, but the Crank Brothers truck is pretty rad.


Check out the Crank Brothers website to see their entire lineup.

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179 Comments
  • 74 2
 Some people just can't seem to get over their obsession on here that CB products are bad.

They are good, reliable if you maintain them (like you should any bike product), grippy, have bloody good customer service (you can take any CB product to the door of their HQ and get it fixed there and then) and now have a warranty that is about 3x longer than anyone else not to mention the warranty covers a fair amount more too.

They are also innovative too, which is key in the progression of mountain biking and its products.

They listened to you all (maybe taken a while) about the old 5050, they have made a brand new pedal from the ground up...give them a chance!
  • 16 1
 I agree with you fully. CB mallets, in my opinion, are the best clipped pedal by a long margin. I will admit that they get damaged and break quite easily, but this is mostly when trying to pedal through rocks. And if you keep them well maintained then there's never really any long-lasting problems or proper deterioration of the pedals, other than pins and clip surface wearing down which happens to any pedal. Christy
  • 11 3
 A flatpedal with grub screw isn't innovative in my book. I used a lot of different pedals over the last years. Ripped out threads and grub screws that won't stay in place anymore are an absolute no-go. Cylinder head bolts which are bolted through the body is the only way to go if you wan't to use your pedal longer than one season.
  • 14 5
 i also dont agree...why "give a chance" to a brand that charge all your pocket for things that dont work, when u can buy cheaper stuff that acctualy works?!
  • 10 1
 You guys hating on CB are on cr@ck. I've run the same set of Eggbeaters for 4 years and the only problem I had was a broken cage, which they fixed under warranty despitet the fact that I smashed it on a rock, and I only paid $40 for them. I also have a set of 5050's for DH that I've beaten the heck out of and haven't had a minutes trouble. I also only paid $40 for those. So for all thsoe who say they're too expensive and don't last, I say you don't know what the heck you're talking about. I'd buy almost any product they sell.
  • 2 0
 I hade there cobalt cranks that was new! For 399.99 and they split within 2 rides. My bike shop took them back but it took 1 1/2 year to get a replacement. There 50/50 peddle is still kickin though Smile I bought there colbalt wheel set and I'm kinda scared of them, so super lite a little too lite.
  • 4 1
 i have the sh*tty 5050s that broke (both pedals) after the second ride...remember they cost here almost 80 EUROS!!!
  • 4 1
 Because most of their gravity oriented products have been initial failures and dont claim there arent. Opium headset - problems, 5050x pedals - no grip, mallets - weak and the cleats wore down very easy (and if you think this is the best pedal just go time which from where cb copied the design ).

I like the looks of their products but too many issues in the past to pay that much cash.
  • 2 0
 Spaced, time pedals, you talk sense! They are great! As for these CB's, they are a little ugly but I have full faith in plastic as a material, but certainly putting loctited bolts into plastic as they have is a VERY bad idea!
  • 4 0
 I've been running the 5050x for a long time, and I'm quite harsh to my pedals; I don't take care of them at all.

I think you, along with 80% of the world, have been doing it wrong. Things like applying loctite can go a long way.
  • 1 0
 Standard pins on the Xes are craaaaap. Also I dont talk about the pins but about the weak body. Ive sold the only thing I ever won in a bike comp - a pair of heavy catalog pedals to a guy 5 minutes after I won them because he hated his so much.
  • 4 0
 I really really hope those pins in the plastic are threading into metal inserts. Otherwise I'd give it 6 months max before all of the interior pin holes are completely stripped out :/
  • 6 0
 By innovative I mean that they take chances, produce things that are new. These pedals for example, half alloy, half plastic. Their cranks are just an example of one of the chances they took that didn't work, they were bonded together. Their wheels on the other hand are a complete success, completely reinvented how the wheel is built.

As for the pins, yes pins that screw from the other end are very useful and clever if pins get damaged, but what happens if they get bent or flattened? you cant get them out, no difference.

For those that have had problems with CB pedal bearings. Did you ever even just grease the damn pedals? There is nothing wrong with the bearings used in CB pedals, they are super super smooth, and as it says in this article, the plastic bushings on the cheaper models and some egg beaters, are the smoothest plastic bearings out of all the manufacturers! I have had my 5050xx pedals for coming on a year and a half, I have never replaced the bearings, only ever greased them all up. It is only in the last month that I have felt a need for new bearings.

As for price, to be fair, you are going to be paying upwards of £60 to get a real decent set of pedals, CB 5050s are at the lower end of that price range, with straitlines and others being in excess of £170 (they may well be better sealed and lighter, but this illustrates that your comparisons are not valid)

I have seen these for real, and can assure you, they are really mint in real life, not so much in a photo. When I first saw them I disliked them, but now they are actually quite cool, and VERY different from anything that anyone else makes.

Their quality control isn't always the best, but how can you compare their quality control with that of Shimano, CB are a small brand in comparison.
  • 2 1
 screw in pins: what are peoples problems with them? I have only ever used pedals with them and had no problems at all.
  • 1 0
 i had to get rid of my last pair of pedals that had adjustable height pins/pin holes that go all the way through. i think that is a horrible design idea. with pins like that, there is nothing to preload the threading against (unless the pins are threaded all the way in and preloaded against the end of the threaded hole), so they fall out easier when riding. i even tried using locktite, but the pins always found a way to fall out. i have only ever had any pin problems with those pedals
  • 1 0
 I work of a huge online bike shop and all I see is Crank Brother sent back with warranty issues. I handle all the warranty and they never give us any credit back. I feel that they make some of the lowest quality products and charge the highest price in the industry. I have never used anything from them, for the reason that I don't want to wast my money on something that will just fail. I hope their new pedals are better then past pedals.
  • 1 0
 I've used loads of crank brothers products and had no problems. When the bearings in my mallets needed replaced after a year of no greasing or care, they warrantied them and had them done next day.
  • 1 0
 Yeah if YOU send them back then they are great with a warranty. But they don't show the same love when it comes to us. The fuc*ed up thing is that we spend thousands and thousands of dollars with them you would think they would cover the people that make them money. Right?
  • 1 0
 Well I guess we will just have to see what image you have given your shop after those choice comments towards CB. They're not going to like it, and if that is the attitude you have, I wouldn't want to be in a shop with you selling to me... CB have one of the best, if not THE best, warranty and customer service departments out of all bicycle companies. Here in the UK they deal with everything extremely promptly, smoothly and will do everything in their power to help the end user.
  • 2 0
 That is absolutely fair enough mr-eric, Straitlines are good! My Dad has a pair. I am just trying to silence those that speak without trying and for odd reasons, think products or companies are bad. Its just like the "this bike looks like trek" fiasco
  • 1 0
 They stand by me, we all know that Crank Brothers make the worst products ever. They just give us killer deal way below wholesale so we buy them. Since we get everything below wholesale then they will never uphold there part for warranty's, they are just in it for the make money quick big corporation style of business. I'm sure the CEO doesn't ever ride a bike, that kind of company. But if they work well for you and last then you found a good brand. That's not the case for myself.
  • 4 0
 Bloody hell enough with the essays..
  • 1 0
 ok i like cb and i like these pedals the only thing that worries me about them is the poly im not really a weight weenie so i would rather have all metal over half and half but they still look pretty cool and stop hating on cb they are allot better then they get credit for !
  • 2 0
 I think that thjese new pedals are gunna be sooo ace
  • 15 3
 CB as usual - a triumph of form over substance... expensive as hell, heavy and when light - unreliable or even disposable (acids)

For those who want to go for made in Taiwan/China pedals: buy Wellgo, they make 90% of pedals for most companies anyways, why pay double?
  • 7 3
 As a shop owner I never recommend anyone to buy Wellgo pedals due to their slightly smaller thread diameter which can really screw up your cranks.
  • 2 0
 Come on man, they DO make most of the pedals in the world (Deity, Gusset, Burgtec to name some of "epic" "cult" and "classic" ones) so I'm sure it is not only their Wellgo-logo-on pedals that have this trouble you are describing. Apart from that I find thread diameter far from problematic comparing to what people do to any pedals: overtightening, undertightening, not using spacers, using lock-tite and other crimes... I owned several wellgo flat pedals and tighten them very lightly so I can even use an allen key to take them off - never got an issue of self loosening. I actualy had such issue with Shimano spd pd424 pedals
  • 3 1
 Dietys are HTs. Gussets are VPs. Most gravity pedals now are one of those brands not wellgo. Also Burgtec is UK made if I remember right.
  • 1 0
 Don't forget DMR V-8's and V-12's
  • 2 0
 DMR v8s and v12s are soo 2005 Razz
  • 3 0
 um. Straightlines. fuh-eva
  • 1 0
 It's not that I don't think that Wellgo makes a decent product for the price, but after talking to a few of the major cranks producers about warranty on a new crankset, they all relay the same info about the thread diameters. I have used the original Brooklyn Machine Works Shinburger for four years now and love the quality, but I will probably switch to Straightlines for this year (my sponsored guys are running them and seem to really like them so far). I use flats for both DH and XC/AM and just don't like the feel of being clipped in (i don't feel that I have enough room to move around).
  • 1 0
 I've used and sold Wellgo pedals for 20+ years and have never heard that comment about wellgo pedals having an undersized thread diameter? sounds like the manufacturer talking B.S. to explain the poor quality of their cranksets...

Wellgo pedals are found as OE on many bikes on the market, and also as the factory behind many "brand name" pedals on the market

I've never had any issues on the dozens of Wellgo pedals I have used with Shimano, Race Face, Truvativ, Sugino, etc. cranksets I have used for BMX, DH, DJ and FR over many years??

I am currently running two pairs of Wellgo MG-1 pedals on Shimano SLX HT2 cranks, have done for 2 years and no problems with either the pedal or the crank arm threads...
  • 20 5
 I'll never trust Poly anything on a bike, its expensive plastic. Ill stick with my straitlines, CNC'd from METAL!
  • 6 3
 METAL FTW!
  • 9 1
 "New Wave tried to kill the metal, But they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground"
Plastic pedals... meh...
  • 19 1
 Polycarbonate bashguard???
  • 7 0
 wow, ^^^....that threw shark555's comment right out the 'polycarboante' window.... lol
  • 2 0
 Shark555, I have to agree with you. I will stick to my straitlines over any other pedal. I rode the 5050xx and didn't like the lack of grip, and had a few pins fall out. I never had the faceplate problem, it only came down to drip. With the straitlines I keep hearing of bent spindles and what not, but with the exception of me smashing them on rocks and ripping out 2 pins, I haven't had any problems. The tear down, and rebuild of the pedal is easy, quick, and anyone can do it with a flat head and pliers. And besides, I am from Vancouver Island, and would like to keep an Island company moving forwards by giving them my money.
  • 5 0
 What's your favorite metal? Mine is death metal. Big Grin
  • 3 2
 @dom69foco, yes i know theres other poly products, but i dont use them. i have a carbonfiber bashguard, so i feel my comment still stands. CarlosMC, i dont use any poly on my bike or me, its all carbon fiber helmets and D30 knee's for protection. And Six66, all Metal is good Metal, but Metallica is numero Uno!
  • 2 1
 carbon is still a plastic...

A well made plastic product far out performs a badly made metal one. I dont know much about flats (i run Time clipless), but I know a fair amount about materials and plastics can be very good if made right. CB might be known for bad bearings and falling to bits, but the chances of materials snapping is slim, they wont be that stupid as no doubt they'd land in court if it did happen and nobody in their right mind would risk that.
  • 2 2
 carbon is not plastic. so much for knowing about materials. a carbon fiber's matrix could be though.
  • 3 0
 Han Solo hates carbonite - brings back bad memories.
  • 4 0
 Pieters, I have enough brain power to realise carbon is not a plastic, however when people say Carbon most people assume Carbon fiber cloth with some sort of resin, be it a polyester resin or a superior epoxy resin for two examples. I doubt when Shark555 said he has carbonfiber bashgard he meant he had a piece of loose cloth hanging below his chainrings. Apologies for shortening Carbon Fiber to Carbon, I didnt think anyone would get so easily confused.

So, if we talk about Carbon fibre, as a finished product, it is a plastic composite material. The resin is the "plastic" the cloth is made from microscopically thin carbon threads, wound into yarn which is woven into a cloth, when combined they are known as a carbon fiber reinforced polymer/plastic. The clue is in the name.

Now pending on what type of cloth you use, the thickness of the weave or cloth, and the layers, or the direction of the layers, or what quality resin or material resin you use, or if its pre-preg cloth or normal cloth with the resin added after, or the method in which it is manufactured (example using an autoclave), it can be made to be super strong or be entirely pointless in its used application.

However there is no getting away from carbon fiber reinforced plastic is a plastic. Plastic is not a bad material, and although I am not a great fan of these pedals (they look ugly, and they arent even carbon so why are we arguing this?) there is no doubt in my mind that they should be strong enough. Plastics are far more flexible in their design so you can tailor their strengths and weaknesses better than a metal. Also mentioning flexing, these will flex slightly under massive load (think rock strike) and will most likely return to their previous shape than crack, so will be no doubt safe to use. At the end of the day it looks a well designed if unattractive product, and I doubt CB would bring a potentially dangerous product to the market.

Awaiting the neg props from the metal brigade!
  • 1 1
 "when people say Carbon most people assume Carbon fiber cloth with some sort of resin" mabbie on pinkbike. also if you want uniaxial or equiaxed properties you dont use a cloth. anyways i know what you mean and i dont want a flame war.
  • 1 1
 @carlosMC, is a clear piece of resine, that keeps dust out of my eyes, not something im putting all my wieght on that my life depends on working. I had a plastic bike, it was called a big wheel.
  • 1 0
 And to the war, yes i understand "Poly" is in a tonne of things, I will clarify that i dont trust straight molded poly's, like in these's pedals and other products. What i trust in is some sort of base like carbon wive, with some sort of resine, granted many are polyurithane. other wise there whould be some sort of state of the art plastic molds. The only start of the art i see is advanced metals from CNC'ing/castings and better and better carbon-fibre based materials.
  • 13 2
 I'm a big fan of CB and ride the old 50/50s. I applaud them for doing something innovative and different, but sweet Christ those things look repulsive. And the weight doesn't seem all that light...
  • 12 0
 hmm the old ones looks as ugly as the new ones to me..
  • 5 1
 At least they got rid of the stupid axel lump in the middle. Riding those old 5050's felt like riding a convex pedal to me, never liked em. The new ones look promising though. Gripiest pedal i've ever riden' is still Truvative's Holzfeller, wide strong and pins so sharp you'll be begging for them to let you go!
  • 1 0
 Fully agree about the old ones, I never did feel secure on mine. Glad to be rid of them and using Superstar Nano Techs. Will keep an open mind about the new ones until the long term reviews drop. The plastic is certainly an interesting concept for gravity bikes.
  • 7 0
 Thx for 5050xx first hand experience!!! -Pins falling out -Screws backing out -Faceplates falling off and crap bearings out of the box!!
  • 2 1
 crap bearigs out of the box? - what did you expect?! it's CB! It's included in the price... had Acids for two rides! First ride with my wife on gravel road, second ride with wife and friends, short uphill on gravel road, few rocks sticking out, hit the stone, two plastic covers fell off and some metal as well. On uphill, pedalling slowly! Covers were meant to be carbon, but are made from plastic with CF pattern sticker on them. Black paint came off so they look like after a year. Seatposts are terrible, I don't even want to imagine, how their super expensive wheels hold up...
  • 1 0
 yeaaah, i bent the axles on my mallets a little too quickly for my liking.
  • 4 0
 Their first pedal designs were like marriage: deeply in love. But through out the years that love has been worn out.
If someone believes that this pedal is more practical and better looking than a Straitline platform or a Spank spike, he must be divorced.
  • 7 0
 Why the hell does it say the version with more cutouts to save weight is heavier than the non cutout version?
  • 1 0
 im guessing the bearings are heavier?
  • 1 0
 Why didnt they cutout the cheaper bushed one as well... Oh well
  • 1 0
 CNCing costs money, therefore if they machined out the cheaper ones, they would most likely have to charge more.
  • 1 0
 TheGoose is correct, its because the more expensive pedal using two bearings instead of a bearing and bushing combo.
  • 5 0
 there both shit pedals new and the old. im sure the new ones will fall apart after a couple of rides just like the old style 50/50
  • 3 0
 Keen effort on CB part, but imo they look a little "too" CB - too designy, like stuff you get at Target. I have the original 5050's, and didn't like them at first, slipped pedals a lot. After I added my own screws to them, they worked great.

Just about any meatal pedal with 10 pins is going to hold your feet pretty good. Add to that the sticky rubber shoes, and I don't see that pedals are a big deal to figure out. Not sure about the mixture of poly and metal either. Wonder how long it is before they go back to the drawing board. I liked the originals better. Sorry for the hate, lol...
  • 2 0
 i normally ride clipped in spd's when doing dh and i ride with some "shitty old school bmx" platforms for freeride. I really don't understand what all the hype is about the 5050s or for that matter high end platform pedals in general... can someone explain this to me?
  • 2 0
 i hope there better than the old ones, i brought a pair that lasted one month and the axle's and bearings were shagged, so got some new one's from CB and then same problem, so i went for v12's.
  • 1 0
 Likewise, I'm sure their clipless pedals are the best out there but the 50/50 were and probably still are a load of overpriced shite. Never ever again.....
  • 3 1
 They are not. Cleats wear down very fast and they are not really durable. They are basicly a modified time design but with less durability. Go time for clipless.
  • 1 0
 Their clipless pedals hehe - latest candys are ok if you don't take the price into account, the only good ones are Mallets 3 from like 2 years ago, and the rest is shyte. Had Acids for two rides, they got fkd after hitting a small stone while uphilling on sunday mellow ride. They lie about materials too, they don't use carbon, they use normal plastic with carbon vinyls. Eggbeaters are fine if you don't ride tech trails and you run short cranks, as the wings are easy to bend, and hard to straighten so they still work. In general their magnesium bodies are shyte, and ti axles are butter.

In general their system has only one plus over Shimano and it is mud shedding, but I would never trade that off for Shimano's amazing emergency clip out possibilities. CB system is the worst from what I tried (Shimano, Time) when it comes to clip out, it's not intuitive at all. Mallets have good platform, but I think Shimano DX SPD is not far behind.

After over five years I switched to low profile flats + 5.10 even for XC - and I'm nowhere close to look back Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Look up Time new freeride clip. Looks very legit and should clean mud better. Also mallets 3 were good but all the people I known on them used look cleats.
  • 1 0
 bleee... SPDs are bleee not matter which ones... maybe for DH, but for XC/AM and that's 99% of what I ride, flats + sticky shoes are just amazing. No power wastage as they teach you to pedal in proper way, no excessive pushing over the top. On top of that you learn to go over obstacles smoother forcing you to use your upper body which is the proper way. It is also way easier to get back rolling after a stall on steeper uphill WIN! WIN! WIN!
  • 1 0
 Naaah the other way around. For dh - flats but for trail/am/xc spds. The power waste is there, no matter how good your technique is. You cant do full 360s on a flat pedal.
Not to mention I dont feel like I have any problems to more on a steeper uphill. I just start unclipped and clip when I get up to speed.
  • 1 0
 The only reason I used SPDs was to stay on the bike in rockgardens and on jumps/drops. I'm smoother and more effective on Xc trails on flats. But that's a personal preference, and to really be able to check if that preference is right, you need to spend a long time in a row on both. had 5 years on SPDs, now almost a year on flats. And whoever says whatever there is a big difference between flats + 5.10 rubber and flats + any other shoe, as 5.10 give nearly clipped in feeling. For me flats work better in XC - took a lot to force myself to switch, but I consequently took James Wilsons advice and now I'm a better rider. I think you just need both. I even use flats for HT XC.
  • 2 0
 Waki, I won't argue that learning to use flats is a valuable skill (I just read a good comment on it in an MBA article too), but I really do not think that flats will ever replace my Time's for XC riding. There IS a significant power loss, and at the cost of a good pair of flats and 5.10's, I'm still coming out with more money in my pocket for $20 used Time Atacs (virtually bombproof and no teeth to replace) and Specialized BG Sports.
  • 3 0
 TIME is the best for clipless. best pedal i have ever run.
  • 1 0
 WE ALL GREW UP ON FLATS. Anything on 2 wheels on dirt requires just as much if not more standing in most situations, doesn't it? atleast the real fun stuff. flat skills transfer well to spuds but there is no skill to transfer the other way.
  • 1 0
 I run flats just because I like to do a lot of things like riding over logs or jumping rocks that is just too dangerous with my Times. That said the Times are a lot better when I am riding XC. You can have the best mechanics for pedaling in the world but you can't defy physics. Being able to pull the pedal up is priceless. No shoe/flat combo can make that happen.

For what I normally ride I use my flats but if I am going to race an XC track or just go on a long ride I will put the Times on.
  • 1 0
 Waki I have 2 years on flats on a dh bike + 1 year on a dj bike and 13 years on SPDs Wink Ive been riding spds since I was 11 so it may be due to the fact that that I have better technique. I know clips are better for everything going straight - logs, rockgardens etc. as long as you are confident. I went to flats on my dh bike for jump evacuation and off camber or heavy turning as sometimes they save my ass. Though Im not sure if I wouldnt/wasnt faster on spd. Need to do a timed lap on both.
  • 1 0
 Well, according to latest research power gain with spd over flats is next to none and can be observed only with the best pro XC racers which in fact have better pedalling technique than best roadies. Cannot quote the exact research material now, but if needed i can find it. And well I'm not gonna argue any longer past this post, I ride longer and faster than i did in spds last year. Maybe the winter training... It's own preference and nobody is going to tell me that an amateur or even regular national racer, gets any gains in XC by using spd. Go to James Wilson website and fight his arguments, as all mine are coming from him and I don't want to distort anything he says. He bases his stuff on latest research and own experience, most xc coaches still go on old roadie science which according to latest stuff - is wrong even for roadies (i.e. Pedalling in circles is inefficient) and not applicable in any MTB at all.
  • 1 1
 Strangely enough on my xc bike I did measure the avg speads on my usual lap and spds were faster and I was less fatigued(in short period of time, not after a full winter training season Wink ). Imho you seem to be very good at finding data that supports what you belive and ignoring the rest Wink Pedaling in circles in some cases may not work (imho on flat ground where you are on a hard gear - than the spds only give you more support which is still less tireing and its the first thing I noticed when switched to flats on dh but for uphills and anything you ride on a lower gear pedalling in circles is still the bomb).
  • 1 0
 You have too easy terrain for your laps then Smile not enough variables. I read Wilson, McCormack and Hamilton, the rest I do ignore really. It's enough to read from them for me, and it is very hard to undermine their authority.å
  • 2 0
 " You have too easy terrain for your laps then not enough variables. I read Wilson, McCormack and Hamilton, the rest I do ignore really. It's enough to read from them for me, and it is very hard to undermine their authority."


Great why don't you take your authoritative sources over to the XC racers or road bikers and let them know how stupid they are.

Argue all you want but you lose in theory to the laws of physics and in practice to the results of racers. If you want to go 0 for 3 keep arguing.
  • 1 0
 waki, you're an idiot. The proof that SDP's are better is in the pudding. Only on person can consistently win on flat pedals... and he's a freak of nature... his style of riding is like no ones else. i don't even have to say his name. There's no arguing.
  • 1 0
 I think you guys should stop this role playing game, where you are pro racers fighting for split seconds. Stuff does not make you better riders, it makes you relatively faster kind of what you are. SPDs mask bad riding and pedalling technique, with next to no advantage, so using them will never bring you any faster to the level of truly fast guys than riding flats.
  • 1 0
 I ride the real NS Vancouver, all the hidden and old school trails, cypress, seymour, and fromme, all clipped in, and i would have it no other way.
  • 1 0
 nice post edit waki
  • 1 0
 Sorry. I said I am in comfortable situation of living in mini version of NS Vancouver, XC/Trail doesn't get much more technical than Western Sweden and in here it just doesn't matter whether you ride SPDs or flats because there is no way to apply roadie school of pedalling therefore there are next to none performance advantages. It is more than necessary to pedal standing as much as possible, especially on a hardtail. Maybe people riding easy trails having their MTB riding closer to roadies get 2% instead of 0.5% advantage. Even Gene Hamilton wrote more or less that SPDs give most advantage in MTB on wet or sandy loose uphills because you can control the rear wheel grip better.

And z-man I was saying exactly the same things to James Wilson trying to argue with his crusade against SPD and ended up as a converted one. No way, SPDs are so much better in XC, I can´t imagine riding it the other way. I looked at people riding HT on flat pedals, thnking WTF?! What a stupid hipster poser. Now I'm a very happy one of them! SPDs had let me pedal in chaotic way, flats taught me "qualitative" pedalling (many trainers say that flats improve pedalling stroke technique), I do uphills I haven't done before. 5.10 should pay James Wilson some interest from sales.
  • 1 0
 With spd you get more pedal control everywhere. The only advantage of flats is confidence if you lack it in spd and evacuation when it gets scary. Though spd allows for some different last minute saves
  • 1 0
 I never had problems with confidence on SPDs, I was actualy more confident on downhills with SPD than I am now with flats. Especially if you ride Shimanos that allow clipping out by pulling the leg up (even when set super tight) not just sideways. Two days ago on a proper Dh track, I was loosing pedals a bit, but small thought: relax your heels, put them down, supple feet! supple feet! And it went ok. At the same time SPD lets you run away with it, meaning you are slower as you take hits harder. When riding a XC hardtail with spds (HT example to exaggerate the effect), even on relatively flat terrain, you will be pulling your ass up to go over the root less, as while being clipped-in, you don't get kicked up that much = you approach it smoother with flats as you realize the negative effect more. Climbing a tech uphill on SPD allows you to pull your bike over some bigger obstacle i.e. there is a stone step to go over - plus in theory, minus in practice: instead of lifting the front with upper body, then compensating with the back, you just hit an pull = you are slower. If you have excellent technique and excellent awareness - you behave correctly like riding on flats. If you don't = all you win on pedalling you loose on obstacles.

It's an own preference, as long as you are not at least in national top10, looking for the edge to win. There are no wins or losses, no matter what you do on, no matter what kind of bike. Lots lots of Placebo included...
  • 1 0
 wow... now with polycarbonate are going to be worse... i had 2 pairs of 50 50 in the past, my first pair within a week had play, sent it back and came back just fine, but then after a week the play was back. and i didn't even do downhill... i was doing xc... then i got 5050 xx with sealed bearings and same thing happened, just a joke. now i have 18 dollars redline aluminum pedals and they are still going strong.... with no play and just solid ass pedals. no question though CB have an excellent customer service.
  • 1 0
 I own a pair of 5050 x and they are not very grippy, and i paid a lot for them.. i hope the long pins i ordered will make a difference.. the paint job comes off really fast aswell and i struggle to take the plates in and out as they are a bit bent. I will defenatly try a different brand (straitline) next time i need to buy some pedals. the idea of having plastic in pedals just confuses me.
  • 6 0
 Im loving the 5050 !
  • 1 0
 I think they look amazing! Love how the look of slim pedals!
  • 1 0
 not a fan of pcs pedals. id wait for awhile and see if they hold up well before i would buy.
  • 1 0
 As the plastic is only on the inside part of the pedal I would imagine it'll last, but it looks cheap, ugly and unnecessary. I saw these at the glasgow bike show and they don't look any better in the flesh. Also agree with the grub screw comments above...
  • 2 1
 Sorry, Mr. Levy, but I think you need a math lesson. To whit: " a 428 gram, black and silver version that retails for $80 USD and spins on a combination of a bushings and cartridge bearings, and a black and red, 433 gram model that features a body with more cutouts to shed both weight and mud," 433 - 428 = 5. Despite its cutouts, it does not shed any weight over the inferior model (not that 5 grams is a huge difference and I'm sure the needle bearings warrant it, but still...) [/math]
  • 5 0
 @irotenberg,

Actually, it does. The more expensive pedal is slightly heavier because it uses a combination of needle and cartridge bearings compared to the less expensive model's bushing and bearing system. The 5050 3 does use a slightly lighter body that helps to offset some of that weight difference... it would be even heavier than the less expensive model if it didn't have the cutouts [/common sense]
  • 3 0
 Makes sense to me. Wouldn't it be more than 5 grams heavier if there were no cutouts? What's not to understand???
  • 1 0
 My confusion was body weight vs total pedal weight. I understood the phrasing to mean the cutouts had shaved off total weight not body weight. Oh well. And sorry for the "math lesson" jibe, probably shoulda said "you need to check your math" [/this is all really pointless]
  • 1 0
 I've never had a problem with my original 50/50's... They feel good to me and my feet.
I don't think that pedals are something that everyone can claim 1 type suck while 1 type are great... Everyone's feet are different and like gloves some will be a better fit for you than others, it's preference.
How many of the people that think they're garbage never tightened the plates after purchasing them..?
As for them being expensive, they cost me $40 CAD at my LBS, doesn't sound expensive to me. If I have 1 complaint about the original 50/50's, it would be that they hold onto mud too easily and don't shed it enough...
  • 1 0
 I agree with you man I had two sets of the old ones the cheap and the expensive and the only problem I had was the bolts that held the plate in rounded.
  • 1 0
 call up crank bros 1-949-464-9916. they'll send you out a set of the updated screws for the 5050 plates for free. their customer service is excellent!
  • 1 0
 I don't have them any more but thanks for letting me know. In case I get another set Smile
  • 1 0
 they now ship with the updated bolts
  • 1 0
 okay mr. technical buttonpusher, you know what he means. they are ugly in my opinion, and a very very very stupid idea. I dont like the idea of having plastic bits on my dh bike, especially pedals. keep those for the bmx bikes. the new specialized proto pedals are what all pedals should be
  • 3 0
 Im giong to stick to the Wellgo MG-1

Sealed Bearings
Replaceable Pins
Pedal Spindle Thread: 9/16"
Spindle: CroMoly
Material: Magnesium
Weight: 378.0 g
  • 1 0
 Obvious choice for smart people, you can't see your pedal when it's under your feet... MG-1 comes in a million colours if you actually care, and it's cheap.
  • 1 0
 I got a pair off Amazon for 20 or 30 last year. Best deal on a pair of pedals yet for me.
  • 1 0
 cb pedals are great if you only ride in dry dusty arizona
well the mallets/acids/egg beaters are excellent pedals but the bearings dont last long if you ride in a lot of mud and rain i commute on candys daily and they last abouta year before disintegrating, shimano ones last much longer theyre just not as nice
ive ridden mallets for years as my dh pedals but after the 3rd set of bearings ive got bored and gone to superstar nanos, which cost 1/3rd of teh price of 50/50s and so far have lasted to very well in the mud
  • 1 0
 the point of the original pedals was to have swappable plates for a custom colour combo. the new one has two colour options. what is the point of the 50/50 design? they'd shed some weight if there weren't giant bolts holding the two plates together.
  • 1 0
 Standard pins just aren't that grippy anymore. Nothing wrong with these, they just won't perform well enough with a standard pin design to make me consider them, and with the rep CB has (regardless of how deserved it is) they really need to be special to sell well.
  • 2 0
 Only thing I can't figure out is what's so "rad" about that FJ cruiser??\

Looks like a bone stock FJ with stickers all over it. sooooooo rad man......
  • 1 0
 Seriously, with the lame FJ independent suspension and mall rated clearance.

Now this is a vehicle:

www.west-4x4.demon.co.uk/gallery/image11l.jpg
  • 1 0
 the only thing that sucks just by looking at them that plastic inside there is no point it will crack so easily compared to metal and seems like the pins will simple come right out
  • 2 0
 why polycarbonate? full metal pedals with similar features are available that weigh and cost less (e.g. HT components pedals).
  • 4 0
 the plastic body is interesting for a dh bike, time will tell how it lasts
  • 4 0
 screw the pedals, i want the truck!
  • 3 1
 That truck is pretty sweet but those pedsls look sketchy. Save the poly plastic crap for the tight pants bmxers. Def not recomending these for dh.
  • 1 1
 +1 for the skinny Jean comment.
  • 2 0
 They look ugly but I could get use to them. Ive been running CB 5050s on my bikes for years and yeah they are a bit heavy but they last forever!
  • 1 0
 Those are sweet, i have 5050xx on my bike and i love them, my only complaint is that the screws always fallout, even with lock tight, so idk what is going on, i might just be im shredin them too hard.
  • 3 0
 I would sooner grill my testicles in a George Forman than run CB pedals.
  • 1 0
 Holy hell, the second I read this I experienced it in my mind. Mindf*k
  • 2 0
 Let me get this straight: grub screw threaded into plastic pedal body? LOLZ is this a joke?
  • 2 0
 Are you really counting grams on a flat pedal? I'd try them if I got a set for free.
  • 1 1
 We are when my titanium PreRunners weigh 271g for the pair.
  • 2 1
 seraph, you are comparing a pedal that costs nearly $300 for a set to one that costs $100. fair comparison, for sure.
  • 1 1
 We weren't talking about price, just weight.
  • 2 1
 I think the average consumer would be talking about price well before weight if the difference is $200, Saturnine takes the win on this one.
  • 1 2
 My comment was in response to the original statement: "Are you really counting grams on a flat pedal?" There was no mention of price, just weight. Learn to read. If we're only talking about weight, then yes I'm counting grams on a 400+ gram pedal when I can get PreRunners at sub 300g.
  • 2 1
 weight is always relative to price. whether you specifically mention price or not, it is inherent in the comparison. did you buy your prerunners because they were $200+, or because they were 271g? if they were the same price, then weight would be the deciding factor, but they aren't even in the same price stratosphere. if i were comparing weight v. price, i'd pick ti mg1s which both cost less and weigh less. the bottom line is that i don't see what niche these pedals fill. they are unlikely to do any one thing significantly better than any other of hundreds of pedals of equal price. unless they offer some advantage that no other pedal has, i don't see what their selling feature is.
  • 1 2
 I bought my PreRunners because they were 271g, had great grip, and they matched my bike at the time, but I didn't pay $200+ for them.
  • 1 0
 I don't mind the look, but I got burnt big time with my 50/50s falling to pieces and losing stuff so I'll just stick to my wahwahs and v12s.
  • 1 0
 I've ordered the CB 5050 2011. Should I take other pedals? There are many people they say that the pedals aren't good. Can anyone suggest me other pedals for about 80€?
  • 1 0
 5th ride on 50/50 3's and the polycarbonate plastic is shattered. All it took was one mispedal on a rock at medium speed and the whole pedal broke away in multiple pieces.
  • 1 0
 Those are hideous. Maybe it's just the colour, but the originals look way better.
  • 2 0
 I'm going to be swapping my old 5050XX for some of theese Wink
  • 1 0
 Always liked crankbros pedals but I think they took a step backward these. Polycarbonate on a DH pedal?
  • 1 0
 I really like the look of them and I never had problems with the old 50/50s so I might give these a try aswell.
  • 2 0
 AWSOME!!!!!!! Made even better with a five year warranty!!
  • 2 0
 Ew and ew. Again with the terrible color offerings.
  • 1 0
 I use mg-1 for downhill last two seasons, they are best light 365g with damn good price pedals ever ridden.
  • 1 0
 i got a set of them, only ever lost my footing down to the dhx 5 and its famous mid stroke. Only issue i got with them is the bushings dont last for beans
  • 1 0
 I've got 2 pairs, a friend has 2 pairs, and numerous people I've ridden with all have MG-1s, none of which have had the bushing or bearing wear out. Mine are 3 years old, and 2 years old.
  • 2 0
 They look sick in my opinion.
  • 2 0
 PLASTIC PEDALS....SERIOUSLY?
  • 3 0
 Raceface goes out of business building great products and CB is still alive trying to sell us plastic pedals??? I am floored...
  • 1 0
 Raceface is back in business again...
  • 2 0
 I know but still...
  • 3 0
 RF going out of business had nothing to do with the quality of their parts. just stupid decision making
  • 2 0
 The CEO was an idiot, he drove the company into the ground then refused to take a pay cut to keep the company alive. Its for the better really, the new owner won't be nearly as stupid.
  • 2 0
 Jeez, people. It´s a darn pedal, not the space shuttle.
  • 1 0
 i want some. hopefully they do some different colours though
  • 1 0
 issop eh uma escultura em forma de pedal
  • 1 1
 All you ppl are wrong/write those are so sick looking, but the perform like shit!
  • 1 0
 polycarbonate? uummm no thanks
  • 1 0
 lets hope they get better for 2013
  • 1 0
 Yeah, awesome Crank Brothers pedals Razz
  • 2 0
 Looks gimmicky
  • 1 0
 picture makes them look more that 5mm slimmer, does it not?
  • 2 0
 wow i really like them
  • 1 0
 i hope the bearings are stonger on these set
  • 1 0
 wont the pins in the plastic just come right out if it hits a rock
  • 1 0
 i like the new ones way better then the old style!
  • 1 0
 sams not running them, didnt have em equipped at fort william
  • 1 0
 I'm not buying it, the pins are not gold plated.
  • 1 1
 ugly as F@#k and heavy. but if that keep my feet on, then im happy.
  • 1 1
 expensive, don't work, and there really ugly
  • 2 1
 they finally look good
  • 1 0
 want that FJ40..
  • 1 1
 If these pedals were not Crank Brothers, nobody would buy them... ever...
  • 2 3
 $20 and under i would rock em
  • 3 3
 damn! these are so ugly.
  • 2 3
 antibeautiful
  • 1 4
 What a piece of shit. 433 grams is totally unacceptable.
  • 1 0
 433 certainly isn't as light as some, but it isn't overly heavier either.
  • 1 0
 yeah nothing wrong with 430g for a flat
  • 1 0
 nothing wrong with it, but certainly nothing to write about. hell, i'd even consider buying a heavier pedal because of a certain colour, but these don't even have that.
  • 1 4
 Hideous.







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