2022 Pinkbike Awards: Product of the Year Nominees

Dec 20, 2022
by Seb Stott  
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Product of the Year

It's probably fair to say that 2022 hasn't been the year of game-changing new products that we might have hoped for. We haven't seen any rocket boosters, warp drives, or handlebar-mounted coffee machines come to market in the last twelve months. Truth be told, the industry is still working hard on filling orders placed years ago. Nevertheless, an eclectic mix of products has impressed us rather a lot.






Why it's nominated

Until this year, Continental was pretty far down the list of brands that came to mind when picking tires for gravity-focused bikes. In fact, many of their older tires lacked suppleness to the point of being harsh. But Continental invested a lot into their new gravity lineup, working with the Athertons and others to develop a range of four tread patterns. They settled on a high thread count, helping to ensure much better suppleness, and worked on various combinations of pattern, compound and construction.

I got to test the mixed-conditions Kryptotal tyres before launch and was very impressed by their lack of blind spots - they work well everywhere, offering dependable traction, line-holding, suppleness and damping. Since then other editors have approved, including in field tests, or when Mike Kazimer raced them at the Stone King Rally. Continental athletes also scored three of five elite-male podium spots at one of the slippiest races of the season in Snowshoe. But what really impresses us about these tires is their versatility. For DH tires, they're not overly heavy, they roll reasonably well, and they don't wear too badly. They're also notably comfortable on hardpack terrain, making them a great choice for DH or enduro racers and bike-park rats alike.

FULL REVIEW







Why it's nominated

Hope got a lot of flak from the internet experts when they launched these pedals earlier this year. Unlike most new clipless pedals, they don't use Shimano's SPD cleat standard, but like Crank Brothers and Time, decided to make their own proprietary cleats.

Hope clearly didn't do this to make their lives easier. "The Shimano SPD system doesn’t work too well when used with a big platform," Hope explained. "It needs clearance meaning most of the platform would be wasted... our own mechanism solved some of the issues."

As always, the proof is in the riding. According to Kazimer's review "The Union TC pedals function extremely well, with an entry that requires minimal effort, and a smooth, predictable release."

FULL REVIEW






Why it's nominated

A set of tubeless valves for $50 sounds like a pretty terrible deal, let alone a product of the year nominee. But the Fillmore valves solve two problems we've all faced. Because the valve core pierces the entire valve stem and plugs air before it enters the valve, they are much less prone to clogging up with sealant than standard valve stems, so they last longer and need less attention. This design also allows more airflow, making it easier to seat tubeless tires with a standard pump. Better yet, there's no chance of the valve core unthreading when removing a screw-on pump head - a problem that can occasionally spell disaster with most types of hand pumps.


If they do get clogged, they're easy to disassemble and clean, and they're even covered by a lifetime warranty. We're still not claiming they're good value, but their innovative design offers a tangible benefit, making them our favorite valves.

FULL REVIEW







Why it's nominated

When you can buy a good dropper post for about half the price, the BikeYoke is another tough sell from a value standpoint. But its durability and ease of service help make up for the higher initial cost. The max version uses a thick 28 mm diameter upper stanchion to increased stiffness. This makes for a silky smooth action every time. It's a feeling of quality that most impressed us, and several owners in the comments echoed that the action of the BikeYoke post is noticeably smoother and more refined than other droppers.

And while the need to burp the system pretty regularly isn't something we can ignore, it's well worth it if it saves you having to take it apart or send it off to be serviced to avoid the dreaded "unintended suspension seatpost" effect.

FULL REVIEW







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183 Comments
  • 284 3
 Can't believe they overlooked Acros headsets with integrated cable routing.
  • 30 3
 That will be in the "Most Useless Product of the Year" category.
  • 11 3
 Can we please nominate this for comment of the year ?
  • 1 0
 Hahahahahaha!
  • 79 33
 I’ll be honest, I’m with you guys on a lot of stuff, and try my best to bite my tongue.
But Fillmore $50USD $70 CAD tire valves as product of the year nominee?
This is click bait right, just for commenter engagement…..Right?

The presta valve, is cheap, easily replaced (for cheap) and rebuildable without having to remove the wheel.
The fact that the insert can be removed from the outside is it’s biggest advantage.
And Santa Cruz’s claims of easily airing down there valve is the same feature offered by a presta valve.

I love innovative products, and I realize some appeal to others that others can’t see any benefit in, but a friggin $50 tire valve has no real benefit over what it replaces
  • 79 19
 Have you tried them?
  • 23 3
 Well if they did it for commenter engagement then they sure as hell reeled you in… hook, line, & sinker.
  • 26 3
 I can speak from experience... just try them and youll realize why
  • 9 0
 I have them on a nice wheelset I built because why not. Didn't expect to like them as much as they do. Not thinking twice to order them for my other bikes when they are due for tire/tubeless maintenance.
  • 57 16
 @mikekazimer: you got me Kaz,
I haven’t. I swap loads of tires and have never had any of the issues these valves claim to solve. I simply pull the core, seat tire, replace core, pump tire to desired pressure.

If valve gets plugged, which does happen, I pull core, use pipe cleaner to clear clog, clean off core, reinstall. Wheel stays on, sealant stays in, easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Make you a deal, I’ll buy a set in the New Year, try them for 6 months, and try to write an unbiased review. I’ll send that review to you guys, and if it’s written well, and you like it, you refund my purchase price.
I even have two bikes, that I ride regularly, I’ll commit to doing monthly tire changes on both to rate the experiences. You guys interested?
  • 2 2
 @brycepiwek: oh they sure did!
I make no excuses there, the marketing works!
  • 4 6
 @mikekazimer: I have tried the Reserve Fillmore and I am pumped. Can seat tires with a hand pump. No need to go down to the LBS for every 2 out of 3 tires changes. Saved more in price of compressor or can type hand-pump, which I was considering.
  • 2 0
 I used them on my bike and it’s really easy to set tubeless tyres with it using a normal track pump.
  • 14 4
 @onawalk, the nice thing about the Fillmore valves is that they shouldn't clog - I've used several different sets and haven't had any issues yet. That's one of the selling points, along with the increased airflow that makes it easier to seat stubborn tires. No deal on the review offer, but if you do end up trying them and like them (or don't) feel free to let me know.
  • 5 6
 Another convert to these valves. If you run thick enough sealant that it will actually stop a puncture, your valves will clog. A pipe cleaner might help, but they will be clogged again the next day... and the next. Seating your tire with a hand pump is just a bonus.
  • 15 0
 @mikekazimer: The problem with the Fillmore is that they may not clog, they may give you great air flow, but they do it for $50 where it's like @onawalk said - replace a valve for $0.5 using $0.5 valve tool which takes like 5s in total. I love trying new things but I could get over this in 5 minutes.
  • 2 1
 and won't work with many tire liners
  • 12 0
 It’s been over 10 years since I went tubeless-everything. I have needed a compressor twice out of dozens and dozens of tire changes and always pop the bead off to pour in sealant. I have NEVER had any issues with the valve clogging.
I bought a sealant injector a few weeks ago, used it, it worked well, scraped it out with an Allen key. The very next time I pump my tire, valve is clogged and airflow is pathetic

I think we just need to move away from the injector method
  • 4 0
 @lkubica: They make checking/filling/bleeding for every ride just a little bit faster. It took me all of once to realize the value of that time adding up. I use them for that reason alone.
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: I'm yet to try any 'high flow' valve. Are any available that are compliant with inserts? I'm sorry for being lazy and not researching myself. I thought I'd ask first.
  • 10 2
 @mikekazimer: have you bought them?
  • 1 3
 @mikekazimer: Dont need to... Pinkbike has lost the plot
  • 1 0
 @fewnofrwgijn: I agree. Just don’t put the sealant in through the valve
  • 3 0
 I made a comment with my impressions when they first came out, praising them. I got accused of being a shill. Try them, they're outstanding.
  • 3 0
 @bikeflog: I'm yet to try any 'high flow' valve. Are any available that are compliant with inserts? I'm sorry for being lazy and not researching myself. I thought I'd ask first.

not any liner that does not have a hole or channel next to the valve
  • 3 0
 Once you go fillmore you never go back. Best innovation for sure!
  • 4 0
 I use shraeder valves on all my bikes. Easier to remove valve and fill with sealant and 2.6 tires snap up into bead quickly. Had too many issues with presta . and the price for Velo ones on amazon are $8
  • 5 0
 You can amortize the cost over 50 years of riding and it’s only $1.00 per year, cheaper than Netflix.
  • 2 0
 @skinnyjeans: I use schrader valves too except mine are attached to tubes.
  • 4 12
flag onawalk (Dec 20, 2022 at 17:44) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: I mean, I’m willing to shell out of pocket to purchase, do all the work, write the review, just looking for you to stand behind your words “have you tried them”

You see I have to go spend $70 CAD to buy them, that’s a good chunk of change for initial purchase, putting my money where my mouth is. I can get a Maxxis tire on sale from TBS for close to that money
There’s a possibility that some of us have gotten a little desensitized to the costs of things, and if you didn’t spend the money out of your own pocket, it might be a little hard to actually decide that this is a valuable proposition.

I’ve never had an issue setting a tire with a hand pump, like I said, pull the core, set tire, insert core, pump to desired pressure. I’ve rarely had a presta valve clog up, but I don’t inject sealant either, I pull the bead (even with cushcore installed) Then you can use the small nut on the presta valve to let just the right amount of air out….
  • 2 2
 @lkubica: I think you’re right, I don’t use an injector to fill with sealant, I pull the bead.
In actuality, I’m usually swapping tires so often, I have no need to top up sealant
  • 2 4
 @flattoflat:
I’m baffled
Honest question, please explain how
I cant for the life of me understand what I’m missing here.
I’m trying, and I mean no disrespect at all
  • 35 3
 @onawalk, the thing is, I've already tried them and written about them. I don't have any skin in the game if you buy them or not - if you're happy with your current setup that's great. Take that $50 and buy yourself a tire or a whole bunch of snacks... the world's your oyster.
  • 2 7
flag onawalk (Dec 20, 2022 at 17:52) (Below Threshold)
 @advocate: Outstanding?
Man you gotta explain this to me,
I’m baffled at how this is anything but incrementally better than a presta valve, and I question that
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer: I’m intrigued, especially by the lifetime warranty, but the only clogged valve problems I’ve ever had were solved with a new set of valve cores for $1. As for the air flow and tubeless seating, taking out a valve core is super easy and provides all the airflow in the world. Still, I’m intrigued and will probably buy a set at some point.
  • 5 31
flag onawalk (Dec 20, 2022 at 18:01) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: like a little bit of skin in the game, but admittedly not a tonne.
But your risk is real low here, you’re the one that gets to decide if you’re even reimbursing the purchase price of these scandalously expensive tire valves.
I’m sure @brianpark can make a story out of this somehow, so it’s added content, which might only cost you $50.
Hell, send me a pair of good shape clipless pedals instead, I can only imagine you’ve got a bucket load of those lying around, and I haven’t run clipless in prolly 20 years.
I’ll be as honest and objective as I can, I have no issue with admitting when I’m wrong.

I’m willing to put my money where my big mouth is….Is PinkBike?
  • 5 23
flag onawalk (Dec 20, 2022 at 18:07) (Below Threshold)
 @gnarlysipes: can I make a wild suggestion here, and I by no means want to sound condescending at all.
If you’ve never experienced any problems with current presta valves, and you’re clearly more than capable of swapping valve cores,

Please go and donate that $50 to a worthwhile charity, maybe your local trail builder, or trail advocacy society, Christ sakes, there’s so much more good that can be done with that $50 than the purchase of high flow tire valves.

Again, I’m very sorry if any of that came off as condescending or aggressive or like I was a prick. But let’s be honest with our selves guys, think how happy your local trail builder would be with a new chainsaw blade, or shovel, or Pulaski, instead of Santa Cruz selling another set of lifetime warranty valve stems….

I’m f*cked right off by the inclusion of these in this list!
  • 7 0
 @onawalk: Good idea. Post a picture of your charitable donation receipt and I’ll match it with a donation to a local charity of mine.
  • 2 0
 To anyone here with these valves who also put sealant in through the valve, any clogging issues over time at all? My concern is you'd have to remove the tire to take out the valve core with these. I go through the valve and they tend to clog up after 4-6 months but I just remove the valve core and a paperclip clears any clogs. I just hate taking the tire off the bead haha.
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: I bought them and like the design but they sit in a drawer because they are incompatible with my cushcore insert. The insert is more valuable to me than the fillmore
  • 10 1
 Firstly don’t forget regular presta valve stems are not free. $13 give or take. So we are talking $37 difference comparing apples to apples.

Secondly, I’m OCD about my tire pressure, every time you release air from a standard presta you’re getting some sealant gunking it up. This gunk also messes with getting a pressure gauge reading once it’s bad enough. Ever try to fill up a partially clogged presta valve with a mini pump trail side? That one experience was enough to make the $37 worth it.

Clogged valves are an easy fix yes, but I’ve spent a good deal of time trying to find where I left my tiny valve core remover, or digging one out of my pack (and forgetting to put it back).

It’s the little inconveniences of life that build up to drive me crazy. Death by a thousand cuts. The Fillmore create one less thing to fiddle with and simply work better all around. As with all things you might value your time less and have a greater little annoyance tolerance than I. But that doesn’t make it not worth the cost to those like myself. Thankfully we all have the choice of what we buy (or don’t). More options aren’t a bad thing.
  • 2 4
 @onawalk: were you hurt as a child???
  • 2 0
 @upundu: they work just fine with cushcore. 100% AOK.
  • 3 0
 @fewnofrwgijn: This makes so much sense. I use Stans Racing Formula which recommends not using an injector so I always pop the bead when I refresh. I would probably pop it anyway because I want see how the sealant is doing before adding more. This practice has helped me dial in on how often I need to do this on my family's various bikes in our particular climate in our particular garage. I bought a 20 pack of valve cores and a key for 5 bucks years ago. I've used a few but only for bent valves that were mostly still working but that I figured I'd swap for good measure. People talk about all these issues and I really don't know what they're on about. It probably has more to do with shop practices than any slick methods or skill I have.
  • 10 1
 @onawalk: "I’m f*cked right off by the inclusion of these in this list!"

Yeah, we get it. But like the Scott Scale article and everyone complaining about how much it costs...just don't buy it. You claim to have a great set up, so keep using that and quit complaining that PB won't reimburse your purchase price for something you already said you can't stand and haven't purchased. Or, get a job as product reviewer at PB so you can be paid properly for your opinion after actually testing something properly.
  • 3 0
 @DylanH93: yep I pumped stans sealant straight through them, no issues with clogging at all. I got these after several presta valves gumming up so I figured they were worth trying, all my bikes will have them now.

I get the skepticism if you haven’t tried them but they are so much nicer to use, I had issues in the past seating tyres with a chamber style pump, no issues with these, stupidly easy to add sealant, really quick deflation (not that it’s important but still cool) and they are much nicer quality than the muc off and stans ones I have used in the past.
  • 3 1
 @mikekazimer: they don't appear to be designed to work with inserts though? So air still flows out the bottom of the valve, not the sides of the base (like Rimpact's excellent valves)?
  • 1 0
 @upundu: Have you tried drilling a hole for the valve through the insert? The valve even helps keep my Tannus Tubeless in place, when running flat, because it goes into the "airhole". With Presta valves it would turn inside the tire, making it hard/impossible to pump the tire back up without pulling off the tire and realigning the airhole in the insert with the valve.
I'm considering giving Octamousse inserts a try, but won't go back to Presta valves, and that's what made me think about drilling.
  • 3 1
 Fillmore Valves might be a good product, but everybody knows that the product is absurdly overpriced and all the profits go to Pon Holding B.V. with a 8.1 Billion turnover. Of course there are people buying this product because they make enough money, but the majority of us still have a sense of proportionality and don't like to get ripped of. Maybe Pon should revise their price strategy for 2023 or donate a reasonable amount on each valve sold. I personally still ride a SC MT V1 and will switch to another brand in the future as I can't identify myselve with this rip off attitude they appropriated themselves in the last years.
  • 7 1
 Damn I hope the valves win onawalks ears will be steaming
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: do these valves work well with Cushcore? Asking for a friend...
  • 3 0
 I thought the same until I borrowed my friends bike and adjusted the tire pressure. I never in a million years would’ve thought the Fillmore could be that different than a presta stem. The difference is pretty crazy.

I still didn’t buy them at $50 but I’d when they were 25% off at my LBS.
  • 1 2
 I tried them and concluded it was a waste of money. Lost a cap on the first ride, so there goes the aesthetic appeal, and replacement caps are $10/pair. But, without the cap to press down on the core, it is a little painful on the finger against the Cush Core. Also, the tip of the core doesn't stick out enough for my digital checker gauge to to work, so now that tool is useless. Overall not a good experience. Unless you have chronic clogging problems, I wouldn't recommend. Be sure to tighten those caps.
  • 1 6
flag onawalk (Dec 21, 2022 at 6:48) (Below Threshold)
 @gnarlysipes: I’m lost bruh,
Why am I posting a receipt of my donation?
  • 3 7
flag onawalk (Dec 21, 2022 at 6:55) (Below Threshold)
 @bertimusmaximus: we all were weren’t we,
But seriously, I take exception to perceived useless, grossly overpriced products, that get pushed for little to no reason.
I have no real issue that these exist, there’s lots of silly things that exist, and typically, I actually like that. But for these things to be up for some sort of “product of the year award” that’s just plain silly, and feels like we are pandering to sponsors.

Again, I’m willing to put $70CAD on the line to eat my own words, that’s more than 3 times the average hourly income of a Canadian citizen, almost 5 times that of someone in the USA. Im looking to PB to stand behind they’re claim that these things are revolutionary in some way
  • 1 7
flag onawalk (Dec 21, 2022 at 6:58) (Below Threshold)
 @iammarkstewart: I get it, and I’m arguing about something that typically I have your exact attitude about. It’s pointless, I know.
I want to apologize (slightly) about my comments and antics about these things.

But Christ on a motorbike, product of the year nominee. And I get it, it’s pointless, the award, the nomination, the whole bit. It just grinds my gears!
  • 1 7
flag onawalk (Dec 21, 2022 at 7:01) (Below Threshold)
 @ihsik: I’ll be so much more frigged off than just ears steaming.
Swear to god, I’ll start my own website (call it mauve bike or some shit) just to review things like this out of my own pocket.
Any of you ever see BOLTR tool reviews on YouTube, he does a sort of crowd funded unbiased tool reviews where he takes them apart, and spills all their innards for everyone to see. Great videos, and he’s funny, and witty, and has a real interesting outlook on life and everything.

Check em out
  • 1 3
 @mestapho: how are they so much different?
  • 1 3
 @tdeems: out of curiosity (honestly) why did you buy them in the first place?
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: my Cush Core valves finally started clogging regularly after a year of use, I wanted something that wasn't lime green, and these had just debuted to rave reviews, so I went for it. Now I have Topeak Tubi Valve Cleaner that has worked great whenever standard valves get clogged. The Cush Core valves got clogged on the sideways holes which required unseating the tire to clean. I use the Muc Off valves now, and while they aren't cheap, have been great.
  • 2 3
 @tdeems: man, props for giving them a go.
I haven’t really had any issues with regularly clogged valves, but I think it might be a side effect of injecting sealant through the valve core, rather than unseating the tire.

Curious to anyone who has bought Reserve wheels, do these fill valves come with them?

In the FAQ section for the Fillmore valves it states that there is t a valve core to get in the way of injecting sealant. Am I misunderstanding how this valve is assembled, I can clearly see that the valve core is clearly inside the the stem of the valve, and the only way to remove it, is to unseat the tire and pull the plunger out. A regular presta valve, you just pull the core out, without unseating the tire.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
  • 1 3
 @Betacygni: if you’re just buying valves, and they didn’t come with your bike or wheels, then sure.
However, a regular tubleless valve at both my local shops is $5 CAD, so $10 total, compared directly to getting these valves for $70…. That still seems Extravagant. Now normally I’m into extravagant, hell I’m considering a Boxxxer for the front of my Spire, to see if it’s cooler than the Zeb, so to me more is more, and I’m into it…..cause I think there’s a perceived benefit, performance or aesthetics or otherwise.

I just struggle to see any benefit to these that’s relative to their price, much less to be a “product of the year” nominee
  • 2 5
 @mikekazimer: how often are you changing tires? I suspect most people in the PNW change their tires 1-2x a year, max. We dont have enough rocks to wear out tires that fast.

clogged valves is an easy problem to solve w/ a valve core remover and a tiny 2mm allen wrench. What's way more tedious is asking someone to spend $100 of valves, remove their tires that are prob perfectly fine, then reseat the tires.

This is a product begging for a solution, and it's absurdly overpriced. Quit promoting these overpriced products....
  • 3 1
 @moroj82: I think they’re $50 for the pair,
  • 3 0
 ive loved mine work great all the time maybe you should try it
  • 1 0
 There is value in being a serviceable part because of how many parts there.
  • 3 0
 @oriphinz: thank you for the response! Cool to hear that. It's just so easy not having to mess with the bead and just going through the valve. Another item added to my list haha. Have a great day!
  • 9 0
 I feel like saying the Fillmore valves are too expensive is like saying Sram AXS components are too expensive. OF COURSE IT IS! Firstly, its a Santa Cruz product (looking at you SC...). Second, its a premium product that has the same function as the cheaper component only it does it what's intended very very well. Yes you can get a stans valve that does the same thing, but the Fillmore valve does it better. I was reluctant to get them, but I got a nice set of wheels that go on all my bikes so I decided to get the damn valves. I don't regret it at all. When it comes to flat tires on the trails and using a hand pump or c02 can, the valves save time and worry. Tubeless can be set up with a floor pump too if you don't have a compressor or a tubeless specific pressurized pump. If you want that luxury, get the valves. If you don't, there are plenty of other options. Also if you have a fat bike, tubeless set up is a breeze. You pay the price for the quality.
  • 1 0
 add a delete function
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 @advocate: there’s too many companies that stand to benefit from the standard Presta valve. So it’s Fillmore be an entire industry. I think that’s the reason for a lot of the hate. Think about all the high end aftermarket Prestas or the ones claiming to be designed specific to inserts or the ones with expensive psi measuring capabilities. I don’t think they’re too happy about a newly innovative valve
  • 4 0
 @MTBikeBikeBike: No, I’m pretty sure 99% of the hate comes from charging $50 for a product that has a very questionable cost to benefit ratio. I still want a set though… lol
  • 1 6
flag onawalk (Dec 23, 2022 at 12:34) (Below Threshold)
 @MTBikeBikeBike: I think most of the “hate” canoes from me, and I do not in any way work for “the high end presta valve conglomerate”
It’s not hate for the product, the product can exist, let’s not get derailed by that (maybe a tiny bit, but not really) I’m shocked that PB has nominated such a ridiculous product that in no way solves an existing problem or innovates on an existing one in any meaningful way. Then do very little to back that up with anything other than “have you tried them”

The product can exist, I wish it didn’t, and if it’s cost was more inline with current offerings, I prolly wouldn’t care (who am I kidding)
  • 1 6
flag onawalk (Dec 23, 2022 at 12:37) (Below Threshold)
 @ihsik: it’s nothing like an AXS group, it’s a jeezlus expensive tubeless valve with no real benefit, but it’s the product of the year nomination that’s got me fired up. I never gave the valve a second thought after initially seeing it. I passed it off as typical pointless mtb marketing, that I still believe it is.

I love that people make dumb shit, cool shit, pointless shit, amazing shit, expensive shit, valuable shit, etc, etc, etc.

I’m fired up at PB and @mikekazimer for this travesty!
  • 4 0
 @onawalk: I thought you'd talked some sense into yourself and calmed down after our exchange. But here you are continuing to dismiss other people's experiences and preference just because you think someone's arbitrary price is out of line.

You're failing the civil discourse and reasonable person tests. Let me know the last time anything was 100% compliant with your thoughts and feeling AND with everyone else's. I better not hear a single shred of positivity from you on the Bike of the Year.
  • 1 0
 @bikeflog: the question I’d like to know is if Cushcore is compliant with your standard tubeless valve? And if not then why? Seems like they could easily have put an air relief groove in the foam as do other insert manufacturers. I’m guessing it’s all about money
  • 1 0
 @kingbike2: plus after all that riding, you’re gonna be getting laid pretty much everyday. Priceless
  • 2 4
 @iammarkstewart: I don’t think I’m dismissing other people’s experiences, but that can sometimes happen.

I could gives 2 f@#ks about any sort of reasonable persons test, that’s just not who I am, but would happily sit down with anyone with both valves in front of us, and have them exp,ain’t why this is any better than the current presta valve offering. Sometimes we are all sheep, and have to find reasons to justify things we bought, that’s something that I understand and acknowledge, I find most dont.
  • 4 0
 @onawalk: A few people have explained from their experiences why they think these valves are better (or at least like using them) and have found value in them despite the price and you're literally dismissing that and calling them sheep who are finding reasons to justify the valves they bought. You can't have it both ways.

As I said, you don't see the benefit in valves and that's fine, but you're unreasonably critical of anyone who has used them and offered a positive review and just can't seem to leave it alone. Since you don't give 2 f*cks about being reasonable I guess we can end the discussion and leave each of us to their own.
  • 2 7
flag onawalk (Dec 26, 2022 at 15:10) (Below Threshold)
 @iammarkstewart: jeez man,
1. I didnt specificity call anyone out as being sheep, or criticize anyone for purchasing something that they want. You’re reading into the things I’m writing, and picking out your own points. I referred to us ALL being sheep one time or another, and using silly reasonings as our justification for vanity purchases. If you don’t think youve ever done that, well….mark me down for being incorrect.

2. As stated previously, my full beef is the idea that these valves are some sort of product of the year, by what some people consider to be a reasonable newsworthy source. That, as I’ve noted grinds my gears a bit. Add to that the flippant “have you tried them” from a tech editor that I willing to bet never paid for them in the first place.

3. I’m willing to back, and stand behind everything I said, my hope was that PB would do the same, clearly they don’t care, and that’s not really a big deal at all. It has changed things for me a bit, as I always thought of @mikekazimer for being fairly level headed, and seemed like a decent honest guy. I kinda wished he had took me up on my offer.

4. Maybe no one has mentioned this to you before, but in your attempt at trying to be “right” your simply being just as pedantic as I am. You are not the gatekeeper of everything good and holy, so just chill out. If you no longer wanted to continue with this discourse, you could simply not reply, it’s that easy.
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 @BrambleLee: maybe I’m doing something wrong then. My cushcore totally sealed the valve. Maybe I’ll try it again?
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 @onawalk: I don’t really get why your so upset with Kaz for not taking you up in your offer, and that he didn’t pay for them. He’s already done a review of the product and that’s what he does for a job. Why would he rely on you to do that? I don’t believe his reviews are biased, but he is going to point out the pros and cons for it. He obviously doesn’t want to argue with you about it either. Pinkbike gets enough bullshit in their comments as it is with people ONLY talking about the price of a bike or product rather then function or interest. Even as a reader it’s exhausting. The Fillmore valve is an improvement on old tech. Will it win product if the year? Probably not. That doesn't change that it’s a good product.

I personally think the bike yoke dropper will win. I had it on my last bike and I regret not keeping it because it is leagues above any other dropper on the market.
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 @ihsik: I enjoy PB, mostly for entertainments sake, but I am aware of the larger reach, and that when they state things, it carries a lot weight for some (no judgment)
So when they hang their helmet on something, you can be well assured that their will be a bump sales/exposure/interest. I take the Fillmore valve is an improvement on anything, and I do not believe it’s a good product, or worth $50jeezlus dollars
I, as an admitted unreasonable person, expected (hoped) that they would stand behind that recommendation. Especially when being called out on it, and I’ve always thought of @mikekazimer as being a reasonable, sensible, no nonsense human.
I clearly have strong opinions, but am always willing to go well out of my way to stand behind them. It’s how I maintain even a modicum of credibility.
So when presented with the opportunity PB had a couple choices, and they chose differently than I had hoped. That’s really the end of it, unless I choose to go buy some stupid valve, and do some stupid testing, that no one but me gets the benefit of…..so we will have to see.
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 @upundu: Dunno. I’m running Fillmores on two wheelsets, one with rear cushcore only, and the other in both wheels. Total non issue for me. They’re marketed as being insert-compatible, and in my experience they completely are.
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 @BrambleLee: I said this before, but maybe I’m doing something wrong. I was able to fill the tires with air, but I couldn’t release air. Maybe I’m just a moron and something totally Obvious escaped me. It’s happened before
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 @upundu: interesting. When you press on the cap to air down, the poppet should just push the cushcore out of the way. I can tell that it takes a modicum more force to depress the cap on my wheels with cushcore than on the one without it, but it’s a very slight difference. Maybe your rims hold your insert particularly tight or something? Hope you get it figured out—they’re really nice. Totally unnecessary, but really nice.
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 @BrambleLee: You have no idea how much I appreciate your last sentence.

Totally unnecessary, but really nice.
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 Even if you replace the valve core, the base of the valve can still be clogged by a flap of dried sealant. The valve in question solves both these problems by not having a core and by having a poppet at the base. Here where it's hot and dry, the flap of dried sealant in a standard presta forms after only a few rides, so airing down on trail as temperatures rise from morning to afternoon requires removing valve core and poking a twig or whatever down through valve shaft to push flap away from hole in base of valve--rather a bother to remove a couple psi, don't you think? The additional air flow offered by a coreless design also increases one's chances for seating beads with a floor pump. Newer wheels from the same private equity firm are equipped with the valves in question
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 @ceecee: Maybe I’m confused, there is still a “core” inside the Fillmore valve stem, it’s just not called a core. It’s also not removable without first removing the tire, where a standard Presta tubeless valve is trailside serviceable if required.
What sealant are you using that is dried in only a few rides, honest question.

How much air are you starting your day with, and then dropping in the afternoon?
I find this much more interesting than the worlds stupidest, overpriced valves.
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 @onawalk: good photos of the valve's guts towards bottom of article: bikepacking.com/gear/reserve-fillmore-tubeless-valves-review. Looks like the poppet does the work of the presta core.

Only valve cores are removable trailside--not sure how you are servicing them.

No Tubes. Sealant only dries around hole in rubber base of valve, where there's airflow--still liquid elsewhere. I've threaded a 2oz sealant bottle nozzle onto a Fillmore stem to add sealant--still no clogging. Maybe tubeless presta valves with metal around the base hole are better, but now I don't have to find out.

I ride a few miles of road to get to mountain park, and inflate for that. Between that and the ten degree temp change between morning and later morning, and soil moisture levels....
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 @ceecee: I’m aware of what the Fillmore valve looks like, and it clearly has a “core” (rod that goes through the centre of the valve stem, that’s attached to the poppet)

Valve cores are easily serviced trailside if required, you simply unthread them, clean, etc if required. You know that, as youve alluded to having to poke the dried sealant through the valve stem.
Where a Fillmore valve isn’t serviceable trailside, unless you’re pulling the tire off to do so. I recognize that part of the point is that you don’t have to service them…..

Adding sealant through the valve stem, on the Presta valve, is likely why people run into so many clogged valves.

What kind of pressures are we talking about for changes?
What are you putting in for road riding, and what are you dropping to?
What kind of pressure differences are you seeing from morning to later morning?
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 Conti - great tires by all accounts. And they sponsored PB Racing, which is cool. Does that create a conflict of interest at POTY time, or is it just in my head?
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 They would have made this list no matter what - sponsoring PB Racing doesn't have anything to do with it. As always, there's no cost to be included in these awards - they're chosen by us, the editors, and are based on our actual experiences with the products.
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flag ridedigrepeat (Dec 20, 2022 at 12:24) (Below Threshold)
 Conti is gunna win, not because they sponsor PB racing, but because they made copycat maxxis tires haha. I think the award should go to Maxxis for the Assegai... as the most copied product of the year.
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 @mikekazimer: How do the enduro versions rate? Also, how are they mounting and setting up tubeless, two things the old ones seemed to have issues with.
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 @ReformedRoadie, I prefer the SuperSoft compound that's currently only available on the DH casing versions. For drier areas the Enduro ones should work well, and they're a little lighter. I'd imagine Conti will add a SuperSoft Enduro casing version to the lineup eventually - that seems like the model that's missing. That in the front with a DH casing rear would be ideal for a lot of areas.

I haven't had any issues mounting or setting up tubless - there hasn't been any of the sidewall seeping previous Continental tires suffered from.
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 @mikekazimer: thanks for the answer, I'm looking forward to trying them at some point myself!
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 @mikekazimer: the DH casing Conti is more of a double down casing , maxxis DH casing is beefier
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 Phenomenal tires. Restock the Kryptotal Fr DH 29 variant please.
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 @AndrewHornor: Check out the tail end of the WC DH podiums. 3x riders smashing Personal best results using Conti tyres. A well deserved nomination. #endofmaxxisdomination?
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 @mikekazimer: do you run a super soft on the rear too? Or a soft?

Also how do they compare to the e13 Grappler?
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 @mxmtb: weight wise it is, but in terms of construction not so much. DD is two layers of 120tpi, while the Conti DH casing is 4 layers of 110 on the sidewalls with 6 on the tread, and an added belt at the bead. They're not as stiff as other DH casings I've used, but I'd hazard to say they'll hold up better than a DD
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 The thing is it's really limited to the DH tyre as it is the only one with the super-soft compound.

Want the trail casing? Endurance compound only which has sucked in every review I've ridden.

Why do I care? I ride a short travel "downcountry" bike (Transition Smuggler) that came with Maxxgrip Exo Minions.

When Conti makes the super-soft in the trail casing I'll be keen to try, but why would anyone want a chunky tyre without the grip? If I am paying a rolling resistance penalty I want the damn grip for it!
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 @ReformedRoadie: i own both versions, dh supersoft and enduro soft. There is a big gap feel and gripwise. The supersoft is like a gummibear and rebounds very slow, the doft has a kinda fast rebound (which i dlnh like). The soft holds up very well on the rear though. The enduro carcass is tough and fast rolling but maybe a bit underdamped ( or maybe its the compound) all in all i like the supersoft very much, the soft is an okish rearoption.
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 @optimumnotmaximum: Thanks. Love the Barel inspired username.
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 @bikeflog: I would say so. I found the 29in super soft contis (kryptotal fr ss both ends) roll just a bit faster than my previous assegai/dhr2 maxxgrip DD combo with zero compromise in front-end grip and better rear-end grip. Definitely holding up better in terms of wear so far. I don't run inserts and no issues whatsoever in rocky terrain at 24/27-ish PSI. The local shop guys did say they had to be wrestled onto the rims during install. No desire to move back to Maxxis.

The mtb world needs another proper tire test- maxxis vs. the new contis, specialized, pirellis, michelins, etc.- in a place like Whistler where you can ride everything. Riders of different ability levels (ex. intermediate, average shredder type, and a former WC downhiller) to ride a few control trails back to back to back testing all of the major tire options in both the softest and medium compounds.
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 Tire tests should be done in the east at a place like MSA. Really put those casings through the paces.
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 You know what also is a better solution that for some reason has not taken off? Schrader valves.

Overpriced valve, clipless pedals that I will never use due to already being invested in SPD and CB, too fancy dropper. The tires get my vote for actually challenging Maxxis dominance on the WC scene.
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 But they're 2g heavier and totally outdated so your bike will be completely unrideable
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 Schrader have had my vote for the last 10+ years.
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 @DizzyNinja: Presta valves were invented in 1879-ish, so 12 years before the schrader, but neither is exactly bleeding edge technology.
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 @Kiltymac: sram bleeding edge air valve incoming
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 Surely Schrader valves would have possibly even more issues with clogging with sealant than presta though?
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 @Kiltymac: I would say "woosh" but that would probably also fly over your head
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 @fartymarty: Recommendation for good Schroeder tubeless valves? And can I simply drill my valve holes bigger?
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 @gnarnaimo: You have to take the valve core out. You should be doing the same with Presta. Are people really not taking the valve core out?
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 @gnarlysipes: To seat the tires, sure.
Sealant will find its way in there during regular use, deflating, inflating. How do you think presta valves normally get clogged with sealant?
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 @gnarnaimo: They do, yes. But they’re also easy and cheap to clean or replace. I’ve heard anecdotal reports that Schrader valves work quite well with tubeless setups. Can’t verify personally.
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 @gnarlysipes: I have aluminium rims and drill with an 8mm bit.
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 @gnarlysipes: they work great with tubeless. Another advantage is you can air up without the valves in which gets you better air flow into the tyre. I haven’t tried them with inserts but wouldn't think there would be a problem.
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 @fartymarty: With Presta, I typically seat the tire without the valve core. I have an attachment on my compressor that has a good enough seal when I told it tight. Then I put the core back in, losing most of the air in the process but the tire is seated so it doesn’t matter.
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 @fartymarty: Good to know. I’ll check out the link you sent.
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 @gnarlysipes: Ditto on schrader. Seat them w/o the valve, inject the sealant, install valve and inflate. W/o the valve I can get a lot of tyres seated without using my air tank.
  • 29 4
 Reserve chargemore valves
  • 10 2
 $50 for valves is.... gross.
  • 5 0
 @bonkmasterflex: I cannot believe there are not knock-offs on AlliExpress.
  • 4 0
 They had to get Santa Cruz in there somehow
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 Wasn't that big of a year for mtb tech if these are the finalists...
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 Aenomaly switch grade?? It’s actually innovative, works as advertised and high quality. Not aware of anything else quite like either.
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 Can confirm, and plus one for the Aenomaly Switchgrade.
Very well made, and work exactly ass advertised, which, if you haven’t tried it, makes slack seat angles better than overly steep ones.
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 I think it's a really good product but won't win this prize until they figure out how to build a cheap version - in large quantities - that still works well.
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 @AndrewHornor: yet $50 USD valve stems make the list....
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 Seems a bit too narrow focused to make the list IMO. The takeaway from the review was that it was nice, but anyone could live without it.
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 @plustiresaintdead: I think their appeal is lost on most, and I challenge you to try and give one a try.

A buddy told me that he thought of it as a solution in search of a problem, that he needed his seat dead level or he always felt like he was sliding off it. I snorted milk from my nose when i saw that, we live in a winch and plummet area, so if you’re climbing, your seat ain’t level…..he didn’t think that as funny as me.

Here’s why I bought it, and this feature doesn’t get enough credit.
On steep stuff, which is my preferred riding, I’ll be behind the seat, more than once on janky trails I’ve gotten a bit stuck back there, or smashed my bits while trying to death slide my way down a chute. With the seat tilted back, there’s no fear whatsoever of this happening.
Also, slightly slacker seat angles really benefit from this, you can preserve your reach, while tipping the seat down (on the rivet we used to say) to get a tonne more power for steep climbs.

I recognize it’s not for everyone, but I think it’s friggin great, and suggest everyone try one for a month, you’ll love it.

Maybe Aenomoly needs a couple rental units to send to people to try out. You pay a $50 deposit/rental that’s refunded if you buy one….
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 @artistformlyknowasdan: that's a fair point. Actually, they are probably much more overpriced than the Switchgrade, but it's still a smaller dollar figure and accessible to more people.
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 @plustiresaintdead: I living just fine without any of the above products. The switch grade could be a game changer for some folks with properly steep trails and offers something nobody else is currently. There’s nothing special about the products above, they’re just one the editors prefer, the switch grade is something special
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 It's already nominated for innovation of the year
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 @onawalk: I haven't tried one and you make a good case! I don't think I ride steep enough climbs to warrant it but I'll consider it in the spring!
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 @onawalk:
@plustiresaintdead
For me it was after getting use to the nose pointed up for racing DH that I found I was never as comfy on the trail bike with it's 'flat' angle on the good downs. Since i moved to CO and found I spend a lot more time climbing trails instead parks laps, the discomfort to the taint was very really. The switch grade resolves both these issues, the climb mode means my taint isn't screaming in discomfort and the dh mode makes my trail bike feel like a mini dh sled
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 @AndrewHornor: certainly not a bargain however i think there's a market for a less expensive version that maybe offers 2 positions instead of 3? But $50 valve stem do piss me off when all they do is let air in and out
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 When did OneUp’s 240mm post become available???
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 I think January of this year.
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 Presta is one of the few remaining road bike carryover standards we have in MTB that needs to die. Fillmore is not the answer.
  • 1 0
 Did you try project76 valves? When I tested them I bought it for all my bikes. Amazing and simple. Doesn't clog. Air flow is so easy that it requires 2 times less force to pump the wheel.
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 @goroncy: They don't work with screw on pump heads which is a total no-go. Fillmore do not work with inserts. Just replace valves in presta/schrader, no need to make it more complex then it should be...
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 Have you tried Fillmore? They’re actually quite amazing
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 50$ valves LOL
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 You can get them for under $40 right now.

Saying that....

Peaty's Chris Kings are over $30. Cushcore's are $25. i9 over $20. Mucoff $35... Etc.

So you're paying an extra $10-20 and they actually have different tech... better tech... so you're complaining about spending $20 on a $5-10k bike.... on a $8-1800 wheel set....

Skip lunch for a day. Done.
  • 5 0
 My favorite feature of the continental tires is that the 2.4s measure at 2.25 on a 31mm rim, super cool
  • 5 0
 Apparently not much in the way of innovation this year.
  • 4 2
 why does the best have to be innovative? What's wrong with plain old well executed?
  • 2 1
 Does no-one else want to complain about the BikeYoke Revive's inclusion? I've had the same OneUp V2 for 2 years and never had a bouncing problem. Mate with a Revive was bleeding the air on the third ride. Sure, it's cool to be able to fix it so easily, but would be much better if it never needed it like the OneUp...
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 Bikeyoke Divine does away with that altogether as it auto-bleeds with each full drop, and at a lower price point, too. The trade-off is that it is a bit less smooth than Revive due to different hydraulics. But for what it's worth, I've been using the Revive for over a year now and haven't had to reach for the Allen key once to perform the 5-second bleed manually. It has been trouble-free and reliable. I haven't tried the OneUp so I cannot make a direct comparison, I can only say that the Revive is performing flawlessly so far.
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 My issue with the Fillmore valves is that small part they machined down to paper thin levels, between the threads and the cap. The metal gets extremely thin there, and I've had it bend and crack at that point on my pair. I've never broken or bent a valve stem before. They lasted about 5 rides before it bent.

Does anyone know why they may have designed this point to be so thin? It almost feels intentionally weak. Ican't figure out why they chose to do that. Maybe to allow more air to escape when you depress the cap to let air out?
  • 1 0
 They fixed that on the latest revision
  • 2 0
 Looking back on the Hope pedal review...missing a pic of the shoe on the pedal to show the amount of contact with platform...
  • 2 0
 Supre Drive from LAL bikes must be in here. He appeared first in Nov 2021 with the idea an he's already in production and on bikes It should be at least a nominee.
  • 2 0
 Nice list! I may pony up for those expensive valves afterall since my current valves always plug up.
  • 1 0
 Quiet year for products/innovation. Plus with geo stabilizing it seems like we might actually get to just ride the same bikes/components for a few years.
  • 2 0
 Well I didn’t expect this line up at all!
  • 2 0
 Really quite upset that seaweed pods didn't make the list
  • 1 0
 This should be higher in the comments. I saw it as my chance to eat a tide pod without the consequences.
  • 2 1
 The pandemic product development delays are showing....
  • 1 1
 They should have listed the internal headset routing then sat back and watched the fireworks.
  • 2 1
 Unfortunately these things all seem kind of boring compared to years past.
  • 2 1
 No mention of the oneup 240? Arguably a better product than any of these?
  • 1 0
 Switch grade: a loose seat clamp does the trick on my bike.
  • 1 0
 You can buy the Fillmore’s online for $37.50
  • 1 1
 The tires would be cool if we could actually get them.
  • 2 1
 You can in the eu ,your fault you're in the us ;-)
  • 1 0
 They are extremely available on the US, but the distributor (highway 2) is not one that all shops have access to
  • 1 0
 @Maxwrbike: We do have access to H2, but we don't primarily order from them. Mostly QBP and BTI.
  • 1 1
 Conti tires for the win. They're unbelievable.
  • 2 4
 Imagine paying $50 for some valves that don't clog when some grease you already have does the same thing.
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 Imagine complaining about something that cost $10-20 more than similar products but offers a unique technology.
  • 1 1
 @onemanarmy: try again. Last time I bought TLR valves they were $10.
  • 1 0
 @onemanarmy: I got some carbon fiber shower curtain rings with your name on em
  • 1 0
 @fewnofrwgijn: Think I'll stick with my heat varnished titanium hangers...
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