OPINION
26 vs 27.5 vs 29
Back-to-Back
WORDS Matt Wragg
PHOTOS SRAM/Simon Cittati
VIDEO Alex Boyce/I-MTB
 | "Objective Journalism is a hard thing to come by these days. We all yearn for it but who can point the way?" - Hunter S. Thompson |
So much for the plan. It was a simple one, a good one, but some things just weren't meant to be. SRAM would come down to Massa Vecchia and bring their test bikes with 26, 27.5 and 29-inch wheels. We'd ride them back-to-back for a few days and make some observations. No conclusions, try and be dispassionate. A few days were put aside afterwards to get the whole thing scribbled down before I headed to China. Then came the steaks. Two 1.2kg slabs of Tuscany's supposed best beef between four of us. We all felt a bit off the next morning, but surely that was simply because of how much meat we'd ingested. As we were trying to sum up the bikes on the beach the fever started rising... Anyone who's had food poisoning knows all too well what followed.
Lying on a sweat-stained bed, alternating between shivering and burning isn't the time to try and write words of great meaning. So the piece got delayed, China came and went, two weeks of the endless, empty hours in planes and cars that fill long-distance travel. Time to consider the world, too much time to think. With it, the realisation that life is too short to sit on fences, so the neutral piece died a death and what's left is this: my take on 27.5-inch wheels.
I first heard of 27.5-inch wheels in Taipei this year, where they were being touted as "650B", which sounds a bit too much like an MDMA-derivative for my liking. There was much secrecy; we were allowed to see these magical parts, but no photos. Apparently I'd been living under a rock and missed the latest mountain bike industry hype - wheelchair wheels were coming to mountain bikes and it was a Big Deal. RC, our tech editor who knows these kind of things, pointed out to me that these wheels had actually been in production for five years. The selling point was the compromise - they should roll better than a 26 inch wheel, but keep the bike feeling livelier than a 29er. There was also a hint of hysteria; off the record people were admitting that they'd blown it with 29ers, missed the boat, and they were damned sure they weren't going to miss this one.
Seeing the rise in interest in this new wheel size, SRAM built test bikes to help people understand the differences between the three. They took the Nicolai Helius AM frame and had a small fleet of them built with 26, 27.5 and 29-inch wheels. What made these bikes so special was the geometry - they had custom, corrected geometry, so the three different bikes felt as similar and neutral as possible to help riders focus on the wheels. SRAM then decked the bikes out with nearly identical Rockshox suspension, Rise wheels, XO groupsets and Truvativ controls. It is worth noting that the 27.5 test bike couldn't have carbon wheels for the test, which does make a difference in the bike's handling.
The Testing To test the bikes I invited a couple of friends who ride at different levels to bring in a wider range of opinions. I ride quite a lot, generally on technical stuff and like my bikes set up hard and fast, Alex rides a couple of times a week on more all-mountain trails and likes a neutral bike, and Giulio rides on mostly XC trails and likes his bikes comfortable. All of us currently own and ride 26-inch bikes, and Giulio and Alex have never spent much time on any other wheelsize. The plan was to do a day at Cala Violina riding short cross-country loops and then spend the second day shuttling something shorter, steeper and more technical. Nature had other ideas and on the second day of testing the worst flooding to hit Tuscany in thirty years squelched any ideas of riding - two people were killed in the next town over from us. No worries though, we still had two days of filming to play with the bikes, plenty of time repeating sections on different bikes... Until I had a good go at knocking myself out at the start of the second day. In the end, I feel that I managed enough time between the three bikes to draw some conclusions and the aim of this small test was never to try and offer definitive numbers or facts.
Bad Science To try and get some idea what the stopwatch said about the bikes we strapped the worst invention in mountain biking to my bike - Strava. Using a Garmin GPS, I took three laps of the 7km-ish trail near Cala Violina. It's a fairly steady, flowing trail, or at least it was until I got lost on my first lap and added in a brutal climb and a Superenduro descent by accident. Rather than repeat the lap, I repeated the mistake for the next two laps as the descent was fun. Any scientist will tell you that three laps and three short descents is a pretty poor sample, you'd need much more data to draw anything conclusive, but it was enough information to be
interesting. There are also some discrepancies in the data as you can see on
my Strava page, but the loop was the same, so the times are accurate (basically using the GPS as a shiny stopwatch).
I rode the 26-inch bike first, then the 27.5 and finally the 29. Over a whole loop the 29 was fastest, followed by the 27.5 and then the 26. What draws light on the time for the 29-inch bike is that the time was set on the last lap, at the point in the day when I would expect to be slowest. The times pretty much match up to how the bikes felt - especially with the 29, where there was a real feeling that you were rolling faster. However, on the descent section,
according to Strava, I was much faster on the 26, which was the first run when I was riding blind. It's hard to say whether it was because I went too fast, as I had no idea what I was doing, that I find 26 inch wheels easier to push on, or because Strava is wildly inaccurate. What I can say for sure is that I enjoyed the tight, twisty descent most on the 26 inch bike and it would have been interesting to see if this was borne out over a whole day of shuttling a single track. Filming proved to be good for the testing, as it meant hours of hitting the same sections back-to-back on different bikes, so you could focus on small differences over a very specific bit of trail.
What did we make of the bikes? At the end of the test, we took a straw poll - ranking the bikes first, second and third:
| Matt | Alex | Giulio |
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26-inch | 1 | 1 | 2 |
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27.5-inch | 3 | 2 | 1 |
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29-inch | 2 | 3 | 3 |
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Splitting out the winners, Alex chose 26-inch as he felt the other bikes "numbed" the trail too much, while Giulio opted for the 27.5-inch as he appreciated the extra roll-over, although it was close between that and the 26-inch. For me the winner came down to fun. When we were filming sections I realised after a while that I was choosing the 26-inch bike whenever I had a free choice of bike. It was easier to play with the trail on it - flick the bike around, pop off stuff. However, the 29-inch wasn't far behind for me, as the way it monster-trucked through rough sections was hilarious, the amount of extra speed it could hold in those kind of situations was impressive. It is interesting that both Alex and Giulio disliked the 29-inch bike as they found it slow through relatively tight corners and that this greatly outweighed the way you could plough through things on it.
Breaking down the differences Ultimately, the differences between the wheel sizes were more or less what you would expect. The 29-inch bike could barrel through sections wide-open, but it was harder to carry speed through tight corners. 26-inch wheels tended to lose speed more readily, but you could play with the bike more easily. It's here I take issue with 27.5-inch wheels. The traditional logic states that they roll-over things better than a 26-inch bike, but handle more nimbly than a 29-inch bike. However, if you flip that logic on its head, they don't roll-through as well as a 29er and don't handle as well as a 26-inch wheeled bike. For me, at least, 26-inch bikes are the most fun to play with and, at the end of the day, that's what mountain biking is supposed to be about. If you start looking at the new generation of fast-handling 29-inch bikes coming through, like the Specialized Stumpjumper 29er, the Santa Cruz Tallboy or the Orange Five 29, the inevitable question for me is "What's the point of 27.5?" The sacrifices for running a bigger wheel size are becoming fewer, so why lose that extra roll-over? The in-between size starts to look like an unnecessary compromise.
Yet this is all personal - the truth is that what I want from my bike and a ride might be very different from what you want or enjoy. I can't sit here and honestly say 27.5-inch bikes are bad, just that I prefer 26 and 29-inch bikes. Maybe a 27.5-inch bike would mean you can have more fun out on the trail, or maybe the stopwatch says it's faster for you in a race. If I'm going to make big statements about what I think mountain biking should be I can't deny you whatever you think is fun (unless it involves braking through corners, in which case - stop it). What I don't like, and what I think we should be wary of, are the suggestions you hear from time-to-time that 27.5-inch wheels will replace 26-inch wheels. As another option I can live with 27.5-inch wheels, even if I don't want to ride them myself. But, if we get down to nut-cutting time, if we were forced to make a decision between 26 and 27.5, that's when I could not accept them. That's when I think they should be rolled back into the ocean.
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=/ Eugh /Rant>
The only thing I have problem with is the lust, confusion and waste it creates - but that's a problem with all of that. Hype, yea, but we internet warriors cause more than enlugh stir in it than they can hope for.
Performance-wise? Who cares for what purpose really? Someone wants to know if his current bike is slow, dull and not modern?
You need a large data set which to extract any significance from. Above is just a warm up. The Germans love this type of testing.... but even they haven't' considered a data set where numbers can be considered significant.
Eg, we have three bikes. ride one bike per day, riding the same trail, riding the trail many times per day. take the best time or mean the days times... Repeat n number of times (eg 7 days for each bike, ok, maybe each day gets a different trail perhaps, so its not so boring and you cover different conditions to equalise any advantage of one bike to a trail type). Repeat per bike. Alternate days, 26 today, 27.5 tmrw, 29 the day after, repeat on next trail.
And then there are the riders to consider. You need different types of riders, say 5 different riders.... to equalize the physical advantages of one bike to the other per rider.
thats pretty boring after writing all of that.
Until then I still won't wear spandex. Or worry my 26 is not as much fun as the others.
the fact about bikes is that the engine is the passenger. given that fact, every engine is a uniquiley constantly changing organic one-off & might be more "efficient/stoked" in a different chassis and platform to squeeze the most enjoyment/performance for its passenger at any given time. you can't hardwire "flow" into your wheels.
Science?! You want scoentific methods? Go on, try doing PhD, once you see how different people one by one will rape your creativity in the mouth, and then pack you from the back so hou will forget what did you want to achieve, then tell me you fkn love science.
I thought articles like this one were meant to be entertaining, that's why we love Top Gear don't we? And most of us ride bikes to... Hm... Maybe very few of us actualy ride for fun hm? I put that "for fun"into question since the beginning of internet MTB season 2013...
26=mtn biker
27.5= confused
wheel size = who cares
Considering all the reasons, ultimate fact is that 29ers are ugly as f*ck.
Also BMX 20" riders thought 26" is silly
~The views expressed above do not neccesarily represent the views of Dirt-Love~
There will obviously be legacy parts for 26" but I doubt you'll be able to get the top spec forks and rims within a year or so.
It's already been decided. A well known manufacturer just scraped a high level 26" model that had all the R&D and production spec done as they just won't be sellable by the time they reach the market.
One company does not make or represent an industry.
Unlucky kids.
That would be like mavic claiming the shoe industry was changing away from clip less pedals.
Do you idiots realize that bike manufactures had their 2014 product road map finished last year. 2014 will be the death of 26" and your bikes will be worth jack shit by mid 13 when this news sinks into your thick skulls.
Enjoy
OEM.
This has already happened. When I walk into a bike shop around here, any of them... I pretty much only see 29" bikes. Not only that but I pretty much only see "entry level bikes" ... This is not the full scope of the industry. There are a lot of 26" bikes out there. A lot. And for FR and DH and most "all-mountain" applications 26 is the desired wheel size. This type of riding is not the bulk of new bike sales. That does not mean that it's going away.
26" maybe the desired wheel size for DH (due to current frame choice options which will soon change for 650b) but I'd definitely say it isn't desired for AM. A good 29" like the Stumpy Evo 29" wipes the floor with any 160mm 26". People in the industry who are a couple of years ahead of the public know this so that's why we're seeing Specialized bring a 29" Enduro to the market and Norco, Rocky, Scott etc already dumping 26" for 650b and 29".
Don't fight the future.
One things for sure though, in rowdy tech 29" will eat 26" all day long. You just haven't ridden a good one or you suck.
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DARKSTAR63, My frame is on order. It'll be my first 29"! I had a Stumpy Evo 26" which I have just sold for the 29" Evo. I thought they were crap and were just marketing too. It took one ride to change my opinion completely. If you listen to the guy is the video above he has it sport on. So much more feedback from a 29" and it isn't only down to the wheelsize.
the guys in the video you posted have trouble making it look fun, Cedric Gracia couldnt make a 29er look overly stylish or fun.... cedric.... Gracia...
and what i meant by my comment is that taking off from a jump with a high Center of gravity is not fun, looks shoddy and is just not good. \
I'm all for having a debate about 26 vs. 27.5 vs. 29... for the average rider. But my height being 5'4", and being a low power pedaller at only 130 pounds, a 29er simply isn't an option. Why?
- loss of gearing "gain ratio"... not a big deal for the big boys, but I'm already going aneorobic with most 2x10 drive trains as it is. Going 29er from 26" is equivalent to losing 2 gears. Unacceptable.
- Wheel weight... again, although my relative power is high (power/weight), my absolute power even with training is low compared to an average height rider. A pound added to the wheels is just too much swallow, and can't possibly justify any gain in roll over advantage
- center of gravity... riding 2" higher. Not a big deal if you are 6" tall. But if you are my height, there is nothing good about that elevation increase. The 26" small frames from most brands already ride too high for me as it is.
But given the average height is 5'10" these days, I guess companies like Specialized aren't losing any sleep over losing us as customers as they are obviously hell bent on making their entire line up 29er only.
And by the way, you would not be riding 2" higher. Actually, BB height from the ground is just about the same for all wheel sizes.
There's a picture of it here....
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Her full suspension race bike, was one of the 26er models and even then she still needed a negative stem rise to keep the bar low (in relation to the saddle position).
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Howabout just getting the proper gearing for the size of wheel on the bike? You can gear a 29er with exactly the same ratio as a 26er. Just get smaller chainrings.
or a return to elevated chainstays... it was originally done to reduce chainsuck/chainslap but it also shortens what is possible for effective chainstay lengths of a frame and still being able to clear a front derailleur cage around a tire. Now that we have XX1, no need even for the front derailleur anymore. Google-fu up the Murphy Special carbon fat-bike, you'll see an example of pushing the BB sizes around. Its been a standard since the Surly Pugsley was introduced that you needed a 100mm BB to clear the chainrings around the fat chainstays and tires of fat bikes. Now with the Murphy having E-stays and dropping the need for a front derailleur, they've adopted the more common 83mm BB standard.
Until I ride a 29" super bike of Tallboy LT caliber, I can't help myself to not be sceptical whether it is possible to diminish monster truck feeling of a 29er by messing with geo. And I don't know what is the problem with them being this way in the first place, they are so effective, that Im super fine with such trade-off
"If you start looking at the new generation of fast-handling 29-inch bikes coming through, like the Specialized Stumpjumper 29er, the Santa Cruz Tallboy or the Orange Five 29, the inevitable question for me is "What's the point of 27.5?""
The problem with that statement, is that the bikes listed as examples are basically the limit of what's possible for 29er bikes that still even fit the average height of rider. As it is, the Tallboy LT from Santa Cruz, they've simply not bothered to offer a frame below a "medium" size because they couldn't make it work. Their official sizing chart makes no effort to sell the bikes to anyone below 5'5" tall. 135-140mm rear travel for a 29er is as far as the bikes are going to evolve, without eliminating the "medium" size riders from the buying options, or ruining the handling again by having to stretch out the wheelbase more to clear more suspension travel.
And that is one of the big points to 650B... anything that can be done with a 26er in wheel travel and bike sizing, can be done with 650B tires with very little redesign and almost no fit compromising. Basically every brand that's slipped 650B models into their lineup, have done it by taking an existing frame, and making slight tweaks to the chainstay length of the swingarm assembly and zero change to the wheel travel of the model being replaced/converted). The 160mm travel X with 26er tires is replaced with a 160mm X with 650Bs. The 100mm brand Y with 26ers is replaced with the 100mm Y with 650Bs.
Also note that you can very easily take a 650B spec bike and put 26" wheelset with DH tires if the slightly larger wheels really bother you that much. Cant really do that with 29ers.
this offers entry at a lower pricepoint and most reviews have been positive, even from smaller (5'2" - 5'6") riders.
It is nothing to your article but more to how mass bike culture debates wheel sizes: people want to put two bikes on same track and measure times, or on the same jump. I feel a bit of discontent what DirtMag did with 26 vs 29 because, I know that they have racing balls but 99% of people don't, they can't even count the time... For majority it is apples and oranges, sorry. Some people buy 29ers and set them up so they feel more like 26ers: 2,1" tyres, narrower bars, lighter, flexier wheels - hello... if you are given a certain advantage: use it instead of compromising it!
Good stuff! Cheers!
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Finally a comparison article that talks about fun. It seems to be the one thing that is missing in so many articles I've read. It's always about what wheels are faster, angle of attack, momentum, rolling resistance, etc.
I care about one thing when I ride my beloved Yeti ASR 5C -- having fun.
Long live 26 inch wheels.
Sucks about the choice for women though, I noticed that myself too. But that section is gonna grow soon, I believe.
Specialized has dropped many 26er models because the customers who want them, are shrinking in numbers... if dealers can't sell them, the bikes sit around, and the following year they order less of a model. Enough dealers do that and Specialized realizes its time to drop a model option from the lineup.
Many? ha! A LOT! (Stumjumper HT, Epic, Chamber, Rockhopper [not all], Hardrocks [not all], Fate, Jett, Myka [not all])
29 is a combination of weak rims, heavy rims, crappy tires and not nimble.
Specialized is part of the problem. Marginalizing, obsolesencing, making room to shift new inventory, replacing good stuff with mediocre stuff. Not buying Specialized, not playing that game.
One time you speak out your thought and then someone comes up with "moron".
If you want to ride a 29er, okey, ride it what makes you happy. I'll stick on my 26" because i have fun with it.
One thing:
I got a '12 Specialized Stumpjumper HT Comp (Alloy) 26" in 19" which weights 11,00kg (24.25pounds) WITH XT Pedals, Lezyne front & light, bottle holder, bottle.
'13 Specialized Stumjumper HT Comp (Alloy) 29" in 15.5" with lighter test Pedals weights 10.9kg.
Hm?
Even if we are talking a super light set-up, let's say Stan Crest + Conti RaceKings + tubeless, the difference between between the 26er and 29er wheels is about 3/4 of a pound. And this is all 100% rotating mass, which are by some crude mathematical estimates equivalent to 1.5 pound gain elsewhere on the bike. And let's not forget, the added rotating weight is shifted out a full 1.5 inches away from the rotating axis on a 29er, which only makes this effect worse. On an upward grade that effect enhances further in favor of lighter wheels. The weight gap only increases with burlier non-race specific wheel set-ups.
Indeed the XC world champs are on the podiums with their 29ers. But I think we need to ask if they wouldn't have been champs without 29ers. Is the added rolling advantage such a massive gain that it nullifies the weight gain? That is the claim, and it may very well be true, but there hasn't been a single statistically significant study to support it. We are all going by "Feel" and what the marketing is feeding us. It is all a mess of confounding variables, conjunctures and crude mathematical approximations. I'm not asking for a double-blind trial here, but something, ANYTHING, more convincing than "we had some random guys do some laps around some random trails on a random day, timed them, and asked their opinions". Humans beings are terribly biased and opinionated creatures.
Pro XC racers are paid to ride their 29ers. People buy 29ers because the pros ride them. The big brands make more 29ers, and so on and so on the cycle continues. People don't stop to ask say "Hey specialized, show us some of your R&D with a proper experiment with a true control group that proves your 29er claims". Well, it doesn't exist, so good thing no one asks.
So... 45 grams per tire + 18 grams of spokes + 48 grams for rim = 111 grams, which is just about exactly a quarter pound. Which is what I said... a quarter pound more wheel mass... perhaps I should have been clearer but I figured leaving an "S" off the word wheel was enough for people to understand that was per each wheel.
As to Pro racers... they're actually paid to ride a brand of frame and parts... they get to pick WHICH model of a lineup they use though. They're NOT forced to ride model X because a brand needs to increase sales of that model. Several racers decided mid-2012 season to switch to 650B models even though the brands they road for didn't offer one. So they did what racers have long since done... bought some other brands's products, and blotted out any conflicting decals/stickers/paint to hide what they were using from the average non-industry folks at events. If you watched the 2012 Olympic racers, more than one rider was on a 650B with tires where the brand labels were black sharpie markered out because it conflicted with the rider's official sponsors and they were using whatever they could get their hands on even when it meant paying out of pocket themselves to get it.
Yes, they can choose (Specialized) between Epic 29" or SJ HT 29". I think they never got asked if they want to ride the 29" in the WC. 26 just dissapeard from the WC's and also in shops because end-customers like we are think automatic "oh, something new, it must be pretty good". For sure they say that the 29" are better than 26" .. they would not sell as much when they say "nah, its okey but i prefer the 26".
But the strangest thing is .. when 29" were coming the Media got crazy - "much better than 26", "29ers are the future", bla bla. They pushed them so extremely that nobody can tell me that had nothing to do with the economy. And now 26" are winning in the tests again?!
In any case, still keep in mind that in order for a 29er to spin up as fast as a 26", it actually needs to be a *lighter* than the 26". All I'm saying, the math and physics of it all out on the trail is not so straight forward, which is probably the reason there isn't a single objective study out there. It could be that at the end of the day, between 26 and 29", all the pros and cons comes out as a wash.
If the pros are opting for bigger wheels out of all the options available to them, I still question if their judgment is right. Indeed a 29er feels "smoother", and maybe that comfortable feeling leads to a false sense of it also being faster, regardless of it translating to faster lap times. Or it could be that because XC racers actually spend only a small fraction of their time actually on the trails on the mountain bike, and most of it instead on their road bike training, then their perceptions are skewed because they just feel more at home on the big wheels. I am not saying they are wrong, just that no one has a good answer yet, and we still need to do our homework.
Most XC racers are also convinced that high pressures + narrow tires = lower rolling resistance. Schawlbe has been trying to convince them the exact opposite is true off-road, and they actually have solid experiments to back it up.
@ampa... I built my girlfriend a wheelset for her niner with crests, but only because she weighs less than 110 pounds and they were available at a local shop for cheap. They're 1mm wider internally than the CL25s but 0.6mm narrower externally. They're 44g lighter (claimed) and that shows in their durability (or rather lack of it for any but the lightest users). The shop guys said they'd never use crests themselves or build them for any buyer over 150 pounds. I certainly would never use them myself.
As to accelerating wheels... MBA actually tested that during the summer time in one of their 3-wheel size test articles, and the handful of seconds that it takes longer to get a 29er up to speed, is more than redeemed by quicker overall lap times over a course. The only time its going to actually matter in the real world is when two racers come around the last corner before the finish beside each other, and at the same speed and it becomes a sprint to the finish...and that really does not happen very often in mountain biking.
I am aware of the high-pressure nonsense amongst riders... i've been riding big volume / low pressure tire setups for over a decade for a reason.
That should be the first wrong to be dealt with. No more 27,5 just 650B.
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I do have a DH bike as well as a road bike. the combination of the 3 bike cover all the riding I do perfectly
I'm getting a little fed up with these childish 29er are Gay comments, if you can't post a sensible constructive comment then don't bother!!!!
It´s about not kiddin yourself
It's good we have 3 sizes! For me, a tweener wheel rider (650b), I won't go back to 26" except for maybe DJ, DH, 4x, etc. gravity orientes bikes, but for trail, xc, even all mountain, having a slightly bigger wheel REALLY does the difference, and 27.5", FOR ME, for my height, style, etc. fits the bill completely!
I'm a short dude, have short-ish legs, and wouldn't really benefit riding a 29er....I don't really see the advantage. But thats just me. If niner bikes want to say even 4 feet girls fit 29ers by all means go ahead, for my taste, I don't really think so.
Riding 650b/27.5" bikes really brought back a whole new, fresh feel to biking! It helps me gain momentum way better than 26" bikes, it climbs better, it downhills better. I guess a 29er does those things better, it just doesn't really fit my body geometry, and I don't really like the looks of small frame with monster wheels.
You haters jumping on bandwagons just for the "fashion" side of things, should really try things, really get to know bikes and how things work before badmouthing new tech. My 2 cents
Right now, 650B represents two niches to marketing departments of brands....
#1 Shorter stature riders who've been fed the bigger wheel = better riding knowledge but couldn't find a bigger wheel bike they comfortably fit. This is best shown with racer Nino Schurter's dominance last year, on a prototype Scott scale 650B winning silver at the olympics, the world championship, and the world cup overall. He's only 5'8" tall. For XC riders this means a whole range of 650B hardtails and XC full suspensions will be on the way.
#2 Riders unwilling to sacrifice suspension travel JUST to have a bigger wheel because fitting 29ers into existing frame fit requirements meant sacrificing wheel travel, or the ability to sell to shorter riders. This is where we will see 650B replacing 26ers in the trail bike and AM categories, and with some teams/brands, DH bikes.
If I was on a trail that was a smooth and had gradual climbs then I would opt. for larger wheels.
I ride trails that are chunky. If im on black diamond trails Im certain 26 inch hoops are a better choice.
Where XX equals the bike you want to see win this shootout. Regardless of how scientific this shootout was, I doubt a single person will have their mind changed from the bike they have emotional/financial attachments to after reading this "scientific" article.
My point is that nobody really gives a crap about science. They do give a crap about what's cool this week. In a few years some bored bike engineer will make a good case (read: pads his/her white paper with gobbledygook that means everything in the lab and nothing on the trail) for having a 26" rear wheel and a 24" front wheel, and we'll start this ridiculous roller-coaster all over again.
I call this the Jones Bicycle Effect: Blind someone with a bunch of pretentious curves and useless data, and you end up spending more time talking at the trailhead than actually riding your bike.
A 26" wheel has many of its short comings eliminated when you give it dual suspension.
It will also be more responsive to said dual suspension.
The wheel debate belongs on the hardtail side of MTB. There bigger wheels will give you advantages.
I know that doesn't sell bikes.
I do think that for sizing options or different options, it is a great viable choice.
Note to the author : excellent use of putting a ~ in front of the logic around why bigger wheels are better.
And define another useless "standard"
As a fellow racer once told me - "I only race for fun... and it is more fun when you win." I'll keep my 26" for DJ and pump track, but my race and trail bikes are being replaced with 29ers.
The XC trails here in Canberra Australia are not technical enough to warrant a 26", even though they are twistier than anything I found in North America. On 99% of the corners the 29er corners as fast or faster than a 26".
This article neglects the increase in grip that 29ers provide. And they do. Corners I used to love drifting on my 26" are much harder to drift on the 29er (same tires).
1. They feel smoother so perhaps people think they aren't going as fast because they are not being shaken to death
2. People WANT to be able to interpret and use the bumps and roots on a trail. I don't think this is impossible on a 29er, but it is a bit harder (harder to manual, for a start).
The 29er doesn't feel as grippy, but that could in effect be just 'feel'. The 26er also 'feels' faster on the downs, but since I don't really care about those shaved off seconds I'm not really interested in measuring the out and out speed gains and/or losses. The 29er is considerably heavier, 1.1kg with exact replacement wheels (haven for haven) and fork (revelation for revelation), and also considerably more flexy, which may be contributing to the dead feel. Oh, and before anyone complains further about the possible apples and oranges comparison, both frames were current model Intense Spiders, 26 and 29.
In my opinion, it's all about what you like, what you want and how you like to ride, it's up to the individual so everybody with some super heavy opinion on what others should like/want/ride needs to just chill out and focus on themselves for a bit. Ride what you want to ride, period.
And when it comes time to replace this new 29er I'll be switching back to a 26 inch bike.
Just as they roll better over things and over depressions, they also decelerate slower than a 26" when the going gets choppy because of their extra inertia. And rolling along at a higher speed means I can spend less energy on going fast.
The 27.5" moniker came about on the mtbr forums five years ago because when trying to explain the 650B to new people, the only tire then available was the Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 which at 27.71" inflated diameter wasnt exactly a number easily compared to the other two "sizes" which were rounded off to the nearest LOWER whole number, so we (we being the lot of the forum who were already riding 650B bikes) just started rounding down to the closest half inch (because we were closer to 27.5 than we were to 28"). From the mtbr forums it spread into the greater bike industry, magazines included. Americans tend to go with 27.5 because its in inches and they hate using anything even vaguely metric system oriented or at all related to the french. Europeans and canadians on the other hand, usually have no problem with calling it 650B. If we'd known five years on that folks would be quibbling over fractions as to which way the tires came out closer to, we'd never had bothered to do it. We'd just have said "its in between".
Clearly shows... 29'er = 700c, well that is a road bike.
but...
The OD of a "normal" if that exists 26" MTB tyre is 673mm, well a road tyre is 670mm... well aint they just the same
The OF of a 650B tyre is 698mm, a CX tyre is 700mm.... well aint they just the same.
So what does that mean...
MTB re-invented the wheel, they made the rim OD smaller, put a bigger tyre on and made... well something the same size as a road tyre.
Then there is 650B, the answer to the 29'er problems, well that is a CX tyre, so 650B re-invents cyclocross.... cyclocross is XC with tighter rules (looks more fun too).
In the end of the day they are all wheels, every time someone ties to re-invent the wheel, they keep coming up with the same solution, they just sell it by sticking a bigger tyre on a smaller rim.
26"=Road
650B=CX
29" .... well the circus has bikes with big funny wheels... haha
i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01854/circus-bike_1854103i.jpg
1. How exactly was the geometry "corrected"? This seems like an interesting topic for tech article in itself.
2. Why not correct the gearing at the front single from bike to bike? (e.g. 36T on 26", 34T on 27.5" and 32T on 29")?
3. I agree all bikes should have had same wheels (carbon or aluminum)
Never the less, this is the most scientific evaluation I've seen so far and I'm sure they ALL were fun to ride. Thanks.
Makes me wish for the snow to melt so we can hit that again, especially now that the skiing is crap.
Will one wheel size go? Does one have to go?
This may end up being a size thing: XL and Large bikes could be 29", M could be 650B, and Small could be 26". No-one walks a six year old int a shop and asks for a bike that is too small or large because the parent cares about how it steers: no, the bike is purchased based on the kid's size.
Or it could be an end-use thing: 29" for marathon and XC racing, 650B for trail/AM, and 26" for DH and DJ.
Will one size go? YES, definitely. Why? Because it's way cheaper to produce parts in mass. It's expensive to engineer one bike model in three different wheel sizes. More options makes it more difficult to sell a bike (sounds weird eh?).
But hey i might as well be wrong. Enjoy your ride (on whatever wheel size)!
Bike shops won't limit their selection. Instead they'll carry everything and suggest that customers can buy multiple bikes if they get really into riding.
Thank you PINKBIKE for doing an article like this! I enjoyed the read and enjoyed your opinions on the different wheels and the reasons for them. And love how it got the trolls all rowelled up! lol
Let's take tyres as an example, if you have to make 3 different sizes of one tyre to bring it to market, you've got 3 amounts of R&D/production lines/resources devoted to that one type of tyre. If there were 2, or 1 wheel size you were required to make, you could make 3 different types of tyre instead, leading to more REAL choice for the customer (you don't make a choice on your tyres based on your wheelsize, you buy-in to the wheel size and the illusion of choice beyond that point disappears). Alternatively, that company that was making 3 sizes of the same tyre now just has to make one size, which is cheaper for the company, and with competition from other companies, the prices of tyres come down, meaning better prices for the customer.
These three wheels exist because they are great at doing things. Just like an SUV may be good at going over rough terrain, a sedan car may be good at a long cruise on the interstate, and a sports car may be good at going fast on the twisties. You pick which you like best, you buy that specific product and you enjoy its benefits. Why are bikes any different?
I like that i have these choices and as a MTB you should appreciate that the sport is more then just doing one style of riding.
As it has been mentioned, several bikes in the past had 26" fronts w/ a 24" rear.
With the availability of tires like the Hans Dampf and HR2 in 27.5, why not get a bit more grip and roll over up front and maintain a light (relatively speaking) rear wheel w/ short stays?
This way most everyone will be able to find a bike that works best for them. It's much better than trying to stretch the boundaries of a wheel size like trying to make 29ers for DH. There's no perfect wheel size for everyone, just let people test for themselves and pick the one they like best.
The question I have isn't one of preference...I do not think anyone will be able to say 100% which is best between the three rather...will all three become a viable option or will the industry lean towards having that separation between a 26 and a 29? What is comes down to is...do we need a "medium" option? Only time/sales figure will tell I suppose.
Geometry is the single most important aspect of a bike and these numbers arent supplied so its difficult to see if this was a valid test or not.
Oh and for the record Im getting very bored of reading about 29er bikes. Im sure in another decade once everyone is riding 29ers, we will be resold 26ers as the new best thing offering 'better handling, more playful etc etc". Same thing happened in the kitesurf industry.
yes i know we dont really have any 29er 8 inch bikes on the market (yet)
However, it is considerably larger wheels slowed my movement across the expanses of Ukraine. If the old 26» bike Atom I easily overcame 210-220 km per day, the average mileage niner was only 90-100 km. New bike simply refuses to go fast! Maximum speed rested against the 22 km / h, and for no longer had the strength - wind resistance is not felt, it is not enough leg power to spin the wheel with great arm drag. While at the same time I can easily for a long time could keep the speed at 28 km / h on a level highway and full calm.
If anyone is interested I'm selling my 650B Flow rims and tires.
I believe the wave hitting the industry;650b, makes it easier to build full suspension bikes and smooth the trial a bit for the new comer. If I know how to ride a trial, I believe any bike size is fine.
I feel creepy letting go of the 650b shoot out! looks like I lost! Im not part of the wave anymore! I have my answer. Im not a new rider, so I don't get to participate!
I don't know what rock this guy's had his head buried under for the last two years, but thanks to him and his ilk writing about 29" and [recently] 27.5" bikes-SOLELY-, and manufacturers no longer making REAL 26" mountain bikes( the only ones I can find around here are of the $300+/- 'ATB' variety, which are 'mountain' in name only, and in reality made to shuttle college kids from their dorms to the local bars, errrrrr, uhhhhhh, I mean CLASSES)... even killing the 26" downhill bike-which I personally thought would hold out a LOT longer- the 26" bike is ABSOLUTELY DEAD!
I'll admit, I swapped my BELOVED 26" Enduro for it's 29" red-headed step-brother, and damnit all to heck if the 29" didn't kick the 26"s ass down my favorite run thanks to its better handling of very technical terrain, but last I checked I PAY to ride, therefore I ride to HAVE FUN, and I have MORE fun on 26" wheels.
Since I could no longer buy a 26" Enduro(thank you Specialized), nor a 26" Slash(loved that bike too), I sold my 29" and bought a 27.5" Enduro. Thankfully it rides a LOT more like my beloved 26" did than my 29", and like I did with Windows 3.1, I'm holding onto my beloved Kona Operator 'til they PRY IT FROM MY COLD, CLAMMY HANDS!
That didn't age well....
dirt.mpora.com/news/dirt-magazine-26v29-bonus-feature.html
www.moredirt.co.uk/features/Which-is-actually-faster-26-vs-29er/3606
choose your wheels based on the riding you do, and your personal preference. Every wheel will excel somewhere.
Now quit your bitching and go ride a bike. I don't care what wheels it has, as long as you don't tell me mine are wrong.
That will empty peoples pockets for sure!
(please read with sarcastic tone)
29in bikes help the novice stay upright. But 29in bikes are not all inclusive as shorter people don't fit well. Plus 29er market is getting pretty saturated as well.
27.5 is the logical way forward. In a way. The sales will dictate the future of the 'tweener wheel not the opinions here.
In a way the debate over the wheel size is akin to the debate over hardtail vs full suspension. There is clearly room for all.
I'll take traction and proper suspension geometry over a new wheel size
Any one remember 24 inch wheels ??? Where are they now
Hmmmmm makes ya think
I get the bigger size for xc/trail
In dh I don't see the point .
It's not the bike, it's you. Get your skills up.
I have FS, HT and rigid steel 29er's and all three operate effectively. Size zealotry just isn't my thing; quite possibly for other reasons related to TACKLE hahahah.
sorry for the Parentheseception.
Just like a DH bike isn't the best bike for all types of mountain biking, 26" wheels aren't the best wheels for all types of riding or riding styles... assuming it's got anything to do with age or ability only shows your own ignorance.
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so... 0.75 / 13 = 0.05769
0.05769 x 100 = 5.769%
Don't they teach basic math in america anymore ?
#1 The only "26er" tires that are actually even close to actually being 26" diameter are skinny little 1.95 width tires that nobody but the lightest XC racers will use. The lowest diameter of 650B off-road tires presently made is the Pacenti QuasiMoto 2.0 width at 27.2" diameter. I KNOW... I own and ride them.
#2 The first production 650B offroad tire within the last ten years, the Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3, is 27.71" diameter, which if you didn't fail math...is actually closer to 29 than it is to 26. There are 650B tires in production (Nevegal 2.35, HansDamp 2.35, Rocket Ron 2.35, etc) now that are even larger diameter still. We already rounded the number DOWN to get to 27.5 as a way to explain to morons what 650B meant. We obviously never should have done that.
#3 Many 29er labeled tires don't even inflate to a true 29" diameter. One of the magazines publishes a survey a month or two ago where they gave the average diameter of several dozen models of 29er tires and it was 28.9".
Why does it matter? It doesn't.
Bigger wheels on a MTB means:
A. More weight - in like your bike weighs more than it actually has to.
B. More mass - harder to accelerate, more unsprung mass to accelerate and deaccelerate - your suspension and your legs needlessly work harder. Not good.
C. 29 wheels actually are much much weaker than 26.
D. Tires are much heavier - only way is to skin them - and everybody hates weak tires.
E. Bottom bracket aera is engineering wise very very crowed and thus weak. Worse so on carbon frames.
F. Single crown forks will be even flexier than with 26 wheels.
G. High riders are so 1880ish.
H. Did I mention those frames look ridiculous?
I. Marketed to the insecure with funny glasses and colorful spandex panties.
K. Where do tall wheels work best? On the road.
Conclusion: Someone tries an industry wide obsolesence schtik. Marketing spam. Ignore.
I just ordered the latest and greatest 26 inch DH-Bike. Why? Because performance, engineering and durability counts and 29ers are lame Lance Armstrong.
As is said in a comment down there - it's sad that brands like Specialized completely stopped building 26" bikes (Stumjumper HT, Epic, Chamber,.. in near future i think also the Stumpjumper FSR, because 2013 there isn't even a Spec. S-Works Stumjumper FSR in the sortiment.
In October i bought one of the last in Europe available 26" Stumpjumper HT because i saw there was no 26" HT from Specialized anymore.
Sure, they won't take over the DH market due to technical limitations but they work very well everywhere else - just like 26ers.
Faithland is flat, Factland is hilly. 29ers dont work in in Factland. I cycle in Factland - none of the locals are riding 29ers up and down. Geometry and durability are substandard. During the past couple of years - a couple of frames and componenents proved themselves:
Voltage, Supreme, 951, Norco and very few more. Cheap RS Boxxers, DHR 3 and 5, some RS rear shocks. Cheap Avids, Ructions and X5,7,9. Minion DHR supersoft, Alex, Stan, MX.
Here is what does not work/last/scam: Specialized, Dreck, Kona, DB, Giant, Fox DCs, Shimano drivetrain, all the brakes with hard brake point like Shimano, Hope, Formula. Schwalbe and Kendas, carbon stuff.
Hope this analogy is a bit easier for you to follow. The industry does not want you know what lasts and what functions. The latest is not the best. Not many 29ers in the thoughest mountainbike region of this planet. 29ers dont fly out the dealersdoor. They are glued to the showroomfloor. They are defective.
@wakaba First of all, don't you mean "Ruktion?" And I'm pretty sure that Specialized makes some long lasting stuff. On all the "what are people riding" articles the #1 bike is normally a Demo. If spesh didn't make long lasting stuff, they'd have been out of business for a long time now. While Kona may make some downright fugly paint schemes and have had some head tube issues, that doesn't make them a "scam" brand. I'm pretty sure that Shimano drivetrains handle abuse as well. And to say that all carbon stuff "does not work/last/scam" is complete bullshit. There are plenty of great carbon components. Looks to me like you're set in your ways - SRAM and fox, Scott and Norco. Nothing wrong with those companies, it's just that there are other sensible options. Get a hold of yourself, 29ers are here to stay. And p.s. I'm sure that there aren't many 29ers in the "thoughest" mountain bike region.
Is it so hard to have all three?
OPINION
so ill carry on riding the 26 inch bikes ive got and love so much
650b = 27.1" get it right!
Guys, never buy bikes on wheels over the 26-inch. They did not roll and, of even more are not suitable for long-range cycling with cargo. Torment once more, and then selling this pacifier. And it is typical, not wheels niner precisely perfectly flat highway. On rocky roads, steep mountain passes new Merida showed good. But again, it's because in such places had to go slowly. But the speed of 29-inch bike you will never get anywhere.
What I want to evaluate his new bike and a few pieces of advice fellow cyclists.
As already stated in the beginning of this review, niner was completely unsuitable for high-speed long-distance movements of the asphalt. But do not think that a hybrid or a sloping Roadies better, not at all. Best bike for long-distance cycling right for most 26-inch MTV. Roadies do not ride on the broken asphalt and country roads, the hybrid is the same niner with big wheels, you want to overclock too much effort.
Biking world created from a pile lies. Many cyclists ride "three chain" and believe that it saves them money. Many fools with perseverance continue to wash their bike chains, two or three times while reducing their resource. Most cyclists believe roadies and hybrids fast bikes, but in the Russian context is quite different. I too severely pinned to the purchase niner - thought that I would be faster, and was twice as slow. Now I have to collect myself again in the winter 26 inch, freshly bought a 29 inch MTB sell at a loss.
Remember friends, niner - is a big hoax, never buy these stillborn miscarriages MTV. There is not nothing more universal than the classic 26-inch mountain bike. Take advice grandfather Slava as the ultimate truth, and do not do anything stupid.
Here are all the photos of my unsuccessful trip:
photo.qip.ru/users/megaslava234/200808349
It's going to cause havoc just like the recent Santa Cruz line up. offering a heckler, superlight, julianna (single pivot bikes) and then butcher, nickel (app single pivot) then finally there nomad, nomad (VPP). the idea of the middle man being the APP linkage proved to be a hard marketing point, try explaining a customer how he could spend an extra few bucks and buy a top level vpp bike and notice a great difference, or buy a SP bike and upgrade from and R am kit to a XT kit for the amount he'd save by dropping to a SP design. Conclusion is that Santa Cruz realized there is no need for middle APP and that it caused great confusion to customers.
you need a fine line between designs, you need to have great various to show means of comparison. people need to notice right away the difference between two products in order for them to make quicker decision's.
If the rumors about Gwin testing w/ 650b are true, and he was getting faster times with them, do you think he won't be riding them on his new team?
And if he does, that win will come sooner than later. Then what will all the "pry the 26" wheels from my cold dead hands" peeps on PB say?
Aaron Gwin was testing the new for 2013 Session 650B prototypes but the team switch will basically put an end to that as Specialized has come out as very ANTI 650B thus far. They're just too heavily invested in the 29er koolaid right now for them to do anything for any of their racers this year. More likely for them to try and offer an Enduro 29er carbon and get Aaron to use that at selected events (if the venue choice for the worlds is as much of a throwback to twenty years ago as people are making it out to be, then a 5.5 to 6" travel 29er might actually work out if Specialized can produce some suitable tires by then).
650B is likely to do well at european super enduro races and events like the megavalanche, where the riders need to pedal bikes up climbs and between stage sections and are already using 140-170mm travel AM bikes with 26" wheels.
Larger wheels will absolutely win races in many settings and I think you and I are not the only ones who could agree with that. In contrast, I dont believe we can quantify the fun factor, or difficulty to spin/flip/360/table/ and general shreddability of larger wheels. Yes backflips are easy- engage the lip, pull back, wa-la you're flipping. 360's and every other trick in the book would be hindered by a larger wheel. Is it possibly, well yes of course, see also the numerous videos of dudes flipping and shredding on carbon road bikes....
If at the end of the day we are riding bikes, then I would consider that day one of the better ones. It really doesn't matter If I am riding 650 next year or 26, I am still going to ride exactly how I like to ride. I have ridden enough suspension platforms, wheel sizes, bike parks, backcountry single track to know exactly what works for me. I have absolutely come to the conclusion that 29" bikes feel like a sail boat on the trail for a guy my height and riding style. I would love to own one for XC racing, but not for having fun.
27.5, 29= marketing rubbish
This article didn't really change anything for me. My confirmation bias is stronger than ever.
But seriously, the article strikes me as more scientific than the way most people do it. I know a group of serious hammerheaders who ride 29er and they are super fast, but that isn't a basis for comparison.
www.carverbikes.com/frames/trans-fat
650B = XC DH
26 = Museum
27.5 = all mountain
29 = xc
26 - 27.5 - 29 = all mountain
27.5 -29 = xc
27.5 = all mountain
29 = xc
'nuff said.
-CF-