2Stage Elite 9 (dual rear shock) bike test

Feb 25, 2009
by Simon Paton  
"I'll have an "E" please Bob", was a famous quip on Blockbusters quiz show that ran for ages here in the U.K. Basically the challenge was two contestants pitted against one, was two heads better than one? Maybe... Our question today is are two shocks better than one?

2Stage Bikes of New Zealand is asking that question today...Photos: Ryan Corbyn
www.ryancorbyn.com
Location: Kinver Edge
Words: Si Paton

Blue Skies!

Blue Skies!


New Zealander and design engineer Roland is the brains behind this design and the 2Stage twin air shock technology. Word is in the middle of the night he awoke, jumped out of bed and started fiddling with his sons Lego Technics set. Three years later and plenty of track side research and development and numerous trips back to the drawing board to create an active stable platform technology where the threshold was delivered by the rider input, rather than the course you were descending down.

Turning on a dime!

Turning on a dime!


A full and further five whole years later from that first prototype and the 2Stage team have two bikes in full production. The Elite 9 as featured here for Downhill and the Zed 8 for "Free Ride". All Mountaineers don't fret, there is a bike currently in development for you.

Handling the steep and technical UK style.

Handling the steep and technical UK style.


Were any of you riding around Europe in 2007? You might of bumped into their top New Zealand Pro Glenn Haden at the Megavalanche winning the Sprint DH race? Or did you see him win the Italian National Championship Series? Race proven? The facts are there, he is also current 2008 New Zealand Downhill National Champion.

Glenn Haden 2Stage Bikes in Action:
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In summary:
Primarily you are looking for a frame-set that has all the right angles and dimensions for riding and racing Downhill on. Many a bike company can tick that box, I mean all you need is a set square, protractor and half an "O" Level in welding don't you?

Double Top Tube, think Torker, Quadangle, Turner and Q Bikes

Double Top Tube, think Torker, Quadangle, Turner and Q Bikes


Suspension set-up, that's the key isn't it to making sure, 100% your back tyre sticks to the floor like sh1t sticks to a blanket. More traction time means faster acceleration when you are stomping on those flat pedals, better handling in corners and smoothing out the lumps and bumps we encounter over those three minutes, 22 seconds.

Nice and clean rear dropouts.

Nice and clean rear dropouts.


Axle paths? The first axle path is almost vert, following small bumps. The second axle path moves rearward following the trajectory of those big square rocks you keep hitting.

There are plenty of great shock companies out there that for years have been delivering the above, Fox, RockShox, Marzocchi, Manitou, Millyard etc. Then if you are really fussy then getting them tuned up by a professional is your next advancement up the ladder.

More Air Time than Richard Branson.

More Air Time than Richard Branson.


All the above happened with single pivot bikes, was the next step linkages? Yes linkages! Lawhill worked and felt so nice, I loved my Schwinn Straight 8, then it was all about pedaling as well, VPP, DW Link and some others.

Bumper Cars. These screw nicely in to stop your upper fork legs and frame denting.

Bumper Cars. These screw nicely in to stop your upper fork legs and frame denting.


What is next? Well anybody remember Scott dabbling with two shocks on their bikes a decade ago? I am not even going to mention that huge 8ft long seat that bolted onto the top tube. I think they got that idea from Skyway's BMX bolt on Freestyle Platform. Heath Robinson to say the least.

See it doesn't always rain or snow here

See it doesn't always rain or snow here


Well let's go down this two shocks road, surely there is some mileage down there. Especially now we are all talking about Air Shocks and their coming of age. Can I just say now my 1996 Foes DH Mono came with a Fox Air Shock, OK it lasted about two minutes but Airs have been about for a long, long time.

Count them, one, two

Count them, one, two


Many still condemn air forks and shocks that deliver more than 6 inches of travel. Will that be different here?

As the 2Stage system shares its 9inches of travel between both shocks, the first stage (top shock) uses five inches of travel. The second stage (bottom shock) uses four inches of travel. Therefore sharing the work load nicely and keeping all you air shock doubters more than happy.

On a 2Stage the first shock works at low pressure which takes care of all the small fast bumps. The second shock kicks in at the end of the first shock's stroke and is set at a higher pressure – this takes care of the big stuff.

Floating Brake Arm, recommended with. Though it is easily taken off if you wish to use the regular mounting set up.

Floating Brake Arm, recommended with. Though it is easily taken off if you wish to use the regular mounting set up.


Floating brake arms in simple terms that I can understand: This uncouples the braking from the suspension, in many bikes this locks the suspension out and it feels like your riding down steps. You can now brake later, even in those braking bumps and save those fractions of seconds whilst keeping hold of your false teeth.

Glenn Haden confirms this suspension system works and I agree with him. The 2Stage story is not over yet though, more tricks up their sleeve! They have got the suspension dialed but what about your pedaling, you don't want this to behave like a pedalo on Benidorm beach do you? Let me introduce the "Idle Cog", not a new invention but certainly tried and tested as seen on the likes of Canfields, Balfa, Appalache and even Trek. What benefits does this Idle Cog give you then? This routes the chain between the two pivot points keeping the suspension active on small hits with zero pedal feedback. It also cleverly locks out the second stage shock during accelerating. Chain tension here provides that lockout function and limits the travel of the bike by half. The first stage shock is still active whilst you pedal, in fact the harder you pedal the firmer the pedaling platform is.

Did the chain stay on? Yes it did!

Did the chain stay on? Yes it did!


Pivot Points? With suspension bikes your pivots are usually the problem come maintenance time. How many pivots here? There are two main pivot points so not as complicated as it looks. The lower pivot is for those small hits and delivers a short chain stay, good for those tight spots such as Inners, Bringewood and Caersws. The top pivot point is for those big wallops, that happen deeper in the stroke meaning a longer wheelbase for stability at high speeds, Fort William, Sun Peaks and Praloup etc.

To wrap this up I've ridden and raced plenty of the top bikes out there, all with single shocks that worked brilliantly. This two shock system performed just as well as any of my previous test rigs and in many cases pedaled even better. My answer for Bob (Blockbusters) is two better than one? Yes, coupled with an idler cog, frame design, linkages, pedal factor and reliability I know 2Stage are onto a winner.

There will be a lot of doubters out there as I'm sure we will see in the posts below. That's what it's there for so go fill your boots and comment to your hearts content. It will be really interesting to see what you guys think.

In the UK, Team Fenwicks are a four man strong team and signed up to race the 2Stage Bikes under the direction of John Smith in 2009 so keep em peeled! 2Stage also run a team of young guns who race for them in their “2Stage Academy” at UK National level. 2009 will be a big year for 2Stage as they have registered as a trade team to race in UCI World Cups. “2Stage Factory” will be making an announcement about their 2009 team in the coming weeks.

UK Dealers:
With an increasing list of accredited dealers around the UK it’s pretty easy to find a 2Stage bike to demo. A list of 2Stage dealers is up on the 2Stage website. www.2stagebikes.com.

Point and click, every trip, the 2Stage puts you in control.

Point and click, every trip, the 2Stage puts you in control.


Stay Unclipped.
Si Paton.
www.Descent-Gear.com
Track side and Online.


133 Comments

  • + 18
 "Word is in the middle of the night he awoke, jumped out of bed and started fiddling with his sons Lego Technics set."
Hahah i love this quote!
  • + 3
 simillar idea was in karpiel armagedon. Also 2 shocks, but armagedon was only for drops ;]
  • + 3
 and dont forget about that one corsair dh bike..
  • + 6
 Actually, its the Karpiel Apocalypse, My bike. Its made for extremely tech DH, and Freeriding. It actually completely different, this one and the corsair are both blow off shocks, they are only activated after the full travel of one shock has been blown through. On the apocalypse, it works 1/3 of the way, which makes a smoother transition than these. But The two stage bikes are really nice
  • + 7
 Not really, it just depends on what pressure your shock is set at, you can make it so the first shock is soft, then the second just a little stiffer, then in that way the 2nd shock can begin is travel whenever you like, you could have it at the same time, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4,or all the way. it really up to you. The trick is not to have the second one over the end pressure of the first one, because is that happend, then the first one would finnish its travel, then there would be no travel, then finally the 2nd one would begin its stroke.
  • + 1
 Oh thats cool
  • - 47
flag talhaslam (Feb 25, 2009 at 8:42) (Below Threshold)
 idk...crappy suspension and looks super heavy, stick with a dw link bike. who needs more than 8-10 inches anyways
  • + 10
 i think you just failed in every way possible? at least your spelling was correct.
  • + 19
 don't forget the original c-dale gemini. they were one of the first to use two shocks from what i can recall.

i totally disagree with suicidedh - no disrespect intended. the apocalypse hasn't really changed much since it was developed. the whole reason the second shock was added was because bender was blowing through the travel so fast that a blow off shock was needed. there were many articles written about this very thing. 2stage is currently the only bike that i am aware of that uses both shocks in conjunction of one another for the entire usable travel, not as a blow off. it is two shocks working as one suspension unit, not two shocks performing separate jobs.

talhaslam, have you been eating retard sandwiches?
  • + 4
 or maybe space-cakes?!
  • + 2
 In my opinion... take a look at motocross. Moto bikes have it all figured out, and mountain bikes are essentially a motocross bike without an engine. They went to the single shock way back in the early 80's and haven't gone back to dual shocks yet... Sure, it is set up differently, but same principle in theory. I say, the more simple you can keep a setup, the better it will work. Stop reverting to old technology and "improving" it. Just my two cents...
  • - 11
flag rick101 (Feb 25, 2009 at 11:22) (Below Threshold)
 my question is, why would you ever need a duel rear shock? I mean freeriders for example robbie bourdon and Greg Minaar, they go big and are only using one rear shock.
  • - 11
flag rick101 (Feb 25, 2009 at 11:37) (Below Threshold)
 why the negitive props? I just don't understand why you would need another one, especially for downhill. The goal is to have the lightest bike, and adding another shock doesn't exactly help.
  • + 4
 you have neg props because you've missed the point; its not a primary shock and then a blow-off. think of it as one system with independant low and high speed compression (one shock for low, one for high) with independant wheel paths better suited to the low and high individually, its a big improvment as far as tracking etc is concerned.
  • + 3
 and its still sub 40lbs, id class that as pretty light tbh. this is dh were talking about, not xc.
  • + 5
 andres629, the motocross dual shocks were in parallel, and were only used because a single one was not strong enough to handle the lateral load... it is NOT the same principle in theory at all.
  • + 2
 i just think things are getting far too complicated, everyone claims they have the new and best suspension, with better features than others. it could just be me but i think riders should try to improve more.
  • + 6
 aye, but a cushy platform is always nice Razz those who want simplicity buy 224's, those who want high tech mechanics buy things like this. I dont think whether riders want to improve or not is particularly relevant as people that bothered about learning with basics generally train on hardtails, and race on cushy bikes which work through innovation such as the subject matter here.
  • + 16
 Ok well for all you who are saying a single shock is better/lighter etc...
Air shocks are by far lighter than a coil shock, so having two is not much of a drawback
The reason for having two shocks is not for strength, or extra travel, It is there to help each pedal stroke you push to make you go further and faster (your suspension is no longer sucking up your pedal strokes) this is because of the separate shocks and their location/geometry, first one (on top) this one is for small bumps, single track, w/e (anything besides large drops, jumps etc..) so by having the first shock there it allows you to pedal hard, and have all your pedal power going to the rear wheel rather than being soaked up by your suspension like on a regular single shock bike where the travel is unrestricted as of to how far it compresses when you pedal. When you are pedaling, it dosent matter how hard you pedal because theforce your applying is not all going down on the bottom bracket, alot of it is in pulling the chain. So when you hit a big drop and you are not crankin on your cranks you land with all the weight resting on your bottom bracket. This is when the second shock comes into play, once you apply enough weight to the bottom bracket it transfers to the second stage where it uses the last 4 inches of it's suspension. Also the inverted axle plays a large role in the 1st. stage of compression when you are pedaling and rollin over small rocks, drops, mounds, jumps. And the path of travel your wheel takes with this vertical axle and double suspension helps your tire stay on the ground more, unlike on a single shock bike where the wheel takes the same path of travel throughout it's entire compression. As where with this shock the first stage soaks up the bumps and keeps your tire glued to the trail (keeping all your weight on it the entire time) unlike the single shock where it could pop up off the ground, or have less traction due to your body weight being somewhere else than the pedals (So when your entire body weight is resting on the pedals you have mximum traction).
  • + 2
 wow its like an essay..too lazy to read everything..so i just positive prop'ed u instead..haha
  • + 1
 yea same
  • - 1
 seems like a good idea, but all in all too complicated for something that could essentially be done using one shock with progressive spring (first half of the stroke is softer, second is stiffer) like the Foes bikes. pair that up with a Maestro or DW link, and you've got the ideal suspension set-up, minus the weight and expense of an extra shock.
  • + 2
 You still are not getting the same hook up and traction as you do with this design The progressive spring is a good idea but idk if it can still compete with this dual shock design, i wouldn't know.
  • + 2
 How would a design that is locked out by chain tension give you more traction? impossible.
  • + 1
 not ure what your saying, but you get better traction because the suspension responds better to small jumps, mounds, drops, stumps, rocks w/e and it keeps your tire on the ground more, and with more weight on it so you are recaiving better traction while crankin through these rough sections
  • - 1
 i've read this whole thing and people say that the second shock is used as a "backup" or somthing like that but the system of this bike uses both shocks in the way that (timhorton) had said wich makes it a waaay smoother ride, landing etc. But amazing bike.
  • + 1
 The article says that in the "fully active" 1st stage of travel, the harder you pedal, the stiffer the "pedal platform" becomes. Unfortunately, that statement is 100% contradictory. The term "fully active" means the suspension is not effected by braking or pedaling at all.
The reason the 2 stage design stiffens when you pedal harder is because chain tension limits the activity of the suspension. This is something most designers try to avoid like the plague because limiting travel/activity reduces traction, and the accompanying pedal feedback can ruin drivetrains and cause further performance issues.
So anyway, bumps will feel bigger and rob more traction on a bike that stiffens while pedaling than they would on a fully active bike, that is just simple logic. Not trying to be a neg. nancy here, and I'm not knocking the entire 2 stage design, but after reading this article I know almost nothing more than I could've learned from looking at the pictures. mainly just non-credible and random opinions with plenty of misinformation.
  • + 1
 yep except for the wheels path of travel makes for good combo of suspension/pedal power and traction
  • + 13
 The 2 springs are just a helper spring set up. All it does is allow for a varied spring rate. This is completely isolating one shock from another so the stroke dampening can be adjusted independently from each other. That is a very important and useful feature. I can only imagine how long it would take to dial in. Very clever. I bet it rides as good as it looks.
  • + 1
 I'm having trouble seeing how this completely isolates anything? Aren't you just getting two shocks set up differently (as in different air pressures and whatnot) functioning on two different leverage ratios?
  • + 4
 I've had a quick ride on one but not enough to say how good it was.
the advantage of running two shocks is having two different rebound speeds, 1st stage is fast for small hi speed stuff and the 2nd stage is slow for big hits and g-outs, because they both rebound independently to each other you wont have it pack down or kick up.... well in theory??
  • + 5
 rode my mates bike last week and they are real nice ,track amazingly and yet still jump well. as for weight i think his was 39lb -40lb so light.
  • + 3
 This is probably one of the coolest bikes I've ever seen, I really like the main part of the frame w/ the double top tube, and from what the article says this bike isn't something that will only last a yaer or two it looks like it's here to stay. Props to 2Stage.
  • + 0
 Been around since 03 when it was released...
  • + 6
 GO KIWIS love the inguengity
  • + 2
 I have the Zed 8 frame and I have nothing bad to say about these bikes.My build on our office shipping scale comes in just under 42lbs and that's using a RCX2 fork. Being able to dial in the rear is the best thing on this ride. It sticks like glue and will allow you to blast through the washboard trails. Prob the last bike i will ever own......until i get the Elite 9 LOL!
  • + 2
 I tried one at fort william last year, along with 3 of my mates. We were all blown away with the performance, it honestly pedalled like a hardtail. Don't judge until you have tried one.
  • + 3
 finally! a reveiw of this bike, now all i have to do is try it... looks amazing, and that suspension design is genious! the benefits from a balfa and linked design
  • + 1
 just found this review as im quite new to pinkbike, Kinver edge trails are my local place to ride and i noticed on the third pic down he is rolling down the take off to the 35ft gap there known as "Leap of Faith"

As stupid as it sounds fair play to him, a lot of people want to roll down it but are too scared to lol
  • + 5
 My mate has one , amazing bike to ride
  • + 1
 Although I'd love to support a kiwi product, I'm afraid the bike is far too dificult to set up. You get the specs to set your shocks which supposedly caters for 90% of courses which is BS.
Back doesn't feel active under braking, and on rougher courses it is far from confidence inspiring. Mates selling his after a few months riding and buying a 2nd hand Demo!
On smoother, flowing tracks, feels fine, but too much adjusting required to find the right setup, especially when you need to change it for the next weekend, as we have yet to find a good neutral setting for the shocks to make it easier.
  • + 1
 So uhhh... platform, high/low speed and beginning/end stroke damping on one shock anyone? Two shocks just seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist... Besides, I would argue that the crucial seconds on a downhill race run are made up more by the rider than the bike on every level but the very highest, where it's a combination of the two. Most sponsored riders won't have a choice who they're sponsored by anyway.

Very late post here but i was reading up on these and felt like posting...
  • + 0
 It is a great bike. We need inovation.

But I don't know if the desired effect can't be take with just one shock.

Cannondale Moto leave the shock linear until close the full travel, but I can't botoom out a simple Fox Float with 150 lb of pressure. It is just an example.

Other ask, why the main pivot is so high? That demanded an extra axle for the chain line.

Well, the bike is different. I'm tired of the same VPP, etc.
  • + 4
 great bike! i had a small go on one at fort bill and it felt amazing!!!
  • + 4
 how offten do you peadle through very rough sections?
  • - 1
 would it even have to be "very rough" to feel pedal feedback? if the chain tension is locking out the suspension you will have pedal feedback. neg prop all you want..
  • + 1
 The whole point is its preventing the 2nd shock from moving because of your pedalling force. But instead of moving the cranks, the cranks are preventing you moving the shock. Sorry I can't be any clearer. But trust me, its not an issue when you ride it. It just works...
  • - 1
 I understand, but you need to realize that if pedaling effects the suspension the suspension will effect the pedaling as well. think about it. pedal tension locks it out because the design has chain growth. The top of the chain is tight, no der. cage to flex, so how does the chain "grow" so the suspension can cycle? a rhetorical question, just think about it.
  • + 0
 If you hit a massive boulder that bottoms out all 9" travel whilst you are pedalling as hard as you can, then yes there will be some pedal feedback. But I really don't think this is going to be a problem is it!

Instead of spending all day on forums discussing why it won't work, just book a demo with one of the dealers listed on the 2Stage. I think your comments would be 100% more useful if you had actually ridden one.
  • + 1
 Nope. You don't have to be pedaling or bottomed out, the chain will be pulled tighter as the suspension cycles. And if the first stage stiffens as you pedal, you will also have pedal feedback. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I don't need to ride the bike to know that.
Again, I'm not saying the bike doesn't ride well. I'm just pointing out some fairly obvious inconsistencies in the article. Almost every bike has some pedal feedback, and designs that noticeably stifffen (or lock-out) as you pedal will have more. Just a fact.
  • + 4
 overkill? they are f*cking minttt yer nz!
  • + 4
 The frame bumpers are an awesome idea!
  • + 1
 there is some serious talk about this bike, i can t read everything so here is the most important
www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9JdVQLT75I
  • - 1
 It sounds cool in theory,but the proof will be in the pudding! Lets see if the teams can rack up any decent race results and if the Brand can Snag any top name riders to maybe put a 2stage on the podium,Sam Hill would have been a great ambassador for them,seeing as he is from that hemisphere and it would be a better move than going to spesh,lol. But all i can say is Commencal will take some beating to prove any bikes out there are better,i mean cmon 2 world cup champs on the same team in the same year!! and a clean sweep at andorra on home soil!!! that is just blinding!!!! awsome!!! and they also have the biggest legend to ever ride a bike on the Factory team...CG!
  • + 0
 Glenn Haden would probaly be a top 20 standard rider on the world stage, considering he won the national champs last year and has been ranked second in NZ for a couple of years. The main reason you won't see any on world cup standard podiums is funding as they are a tiny buisness and can't afford people like sam Hill or the Anthertons. ps. your'e a real doosh
  • + 1
 This year they have a UCI trade team so expect big things from Tom Deacon at the world cups!
  • + 0
 does anyone kno how much these bikes are brand new in a New Zealand store..becasue i am moving there soon and i really want to find out where is the best place in NZ to get one from and how much they are in NZ dollars?
  • - 10
flag richstmanaliv100 (Feb 25, 2009 at 9:50) (Below Threshold)
 you can proabably call Karpiel and have them make you one.its called the karpiel apocalyps or sumthing, those are probably cheaper but are the same thing.
  • - 3
 They are totally different from a Karpiel. 2stage are pretty pricey in NZ,but if you are going there with British pounds spend up large!
  • + 0
 i think if he wanted to know how much a Karpiel was....he would have asked how much a Karpiel was
  • - 4
flag richstmanaliv100 (Feb 25, 2009 at 22:27) (Below Threshold)
 well maybe he didnt know that karpiel had a bike like that dumbass
  • + 4
 He says "does anyone know how much THESE BIKES are"...THESE BIKES refers to the bikes discussed in the article...the 2stage...dumbass
  • + 0
 they go for around 6-7 grand built up new but iv seen them go for under 4500 on trade me (NZ ebay) bike hq are the dealer
www.bikehq.co.nz/index.cfm/Home
  • - 1
 That bike looks super sick! I was expecting more review from the vid, the amazing riding was, well amazing. I wish i had a chance on one of these....
It also looks like the rear end is sprung weight, not unsprung. Always a good thing, basically lightening up the bike. Wat is the leverage ratio on this bike? or dual leverage ratios? lol
  • - 2
 i had a simmaller idea.... but it involved a set of forks in the rearand 3 rear shocks Razz expensive idea but i think the idea would work... ima try to build one of them this summer but who knows might only take forks and 1 rear shock it would have a massive stance on it.....lol but this is a sweet ride... if i could afford a new bike this would be it Razz
  • + 2
 Your mind works in very mysterious way friend...
  • + 0
 lol ya
  • + 0
 I'd rather see a progressive spring, ( small spring, collar, large spring) like on my elka suspension on the back of my quad. PLUSH!
  • - 2
 What I'm wondering is why? I have never heard any people complaining that they only have one shock in the back. It would seem to just add weight. I am not denouncing it, because it is cool idea, I am just curious as to the reasoning behind it. Perhaps they suffer from the notorious Top Gear syndrome; fix something that works in order to answer a question that nobody was asking! JK
  • + 0
 If nobody ever suffered from the "Top Gear Syndrome", then we'd still be hunting our food with rocks and sharpened sticks. They worked fine then, why bother changing anything?

I know you're not denouncing it, but the idea isn't to add a second shock because people are bored of just one... it's to add a second axle path, for two different levels of hits. People criticized adding rear suspension to a hard tail in the beginning as well, because what is an inch or two of crappy shock absorption going to do for your race time anyway? Well, it paved the way for what we have today.
  • + 2
 czegoś głupszego już się chyba nie dało wymyślić ...
  • - 6
flag bigtard (Feb 25, 2009 at 18:13) (Below Threshold)
 flugens with your poopeddypooppoop rod assjammer
  • + 2
 there was one of them at avil and it was lush as fooook
  • + 2
 That was Ben Day. Owner of Torico.co.uk and 2Stage dealer.
  • - 1
 Someone was riding one of these at the FoD Mini-DH on Sunday. One of the ProAm but can't see make out number board to see who:

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3050494/
  • + 0
 Will Soffe Lucky guy eh...
  • + 1
 Too right mate. I'm loving it! I'd recommend everyone 'Get off their lazy arse and ride' and go demo one from your nearest dealer to see what all the hype is about.
  • + 0
 Well something's working for you mate, congrats on the win at the weekend! Would love to demo one of these when I'm riding again, look lovely.
  • + 0
 gotta be pretty heavy though, right? not like that's all that matters, but still... i mean, two the weight of an extra shock that isnt really making anything stronger?
  • + 13
 200 to 400 grams for an air shock so on a 35 lbs (~ 17KG) bike thats an extra weight on about 2 percent. I'm sure some of the extra frame design weighs in too, but to put it into perspective, if the performance is awesome maybe it's worth 2% extra weight.
  • + 1
 its under 40lbs. not bad and strength is NOT the issue or reason for 2 shocks
  • + 2
 looks like overkill... but ZING! Id love one!
  • - 1
 SWEET RIDE!!! looks cool to..
  • + 1
 his ridin is sooooo smooth lol, looks sweet
  • - 1
 probably one of the mose aesthetically disappointing bikes on the market...but I really want to ride one to see just how great the ride is
  • + 1
 im fine with one rear shock
  • + 1
 Will Soffe was riding one at the FOD in the Pro-Am race, he came third.
  • + 1
 to be honest, it looks amazing, i wouldnt mind gettin my hands on 1
  • + 1
 take a while to lan though ?
  • + 2
 thats pretty dope
  • + 1
 getting tht soon hope its good
  • + 1
 clean**
  • + 0
 Not especially... Theres less nooks and crannies than a v 10 IMO...
  • - 1
 all i have to say is i want one!! thats so sick when can we get them in the states?
  • + 0
 I got my frame directly from 2stage. That was 2 seasons ago when they only sold them as frames.
  • + 1
 NZ REP!!
  • - 1
 There's one for sale on ebay.co.uk. '08 2Stage UK ex-team bike. Ends 28th Feb '09.
  • - 2
 This is not a new concept, KESTREL designed a 2 stage about 12-15 years ago and it did not fly. I think the phrase "Keep it simple stupid" applies here.
  • + 1
 might help if you checked your facts "stupid" before posting, nothing like kestral
  • - 1
 Whats with the negative props for my comment?? eh? eh? eh? lol
  • + 0
 Sick!
  • - 1
 понравился паринёк )
  • - 4
flag bigtard (Feb 25, 2009 at 18:12) (Below Threshold)
 what the f*ck?
  • - 2
 this is revalutionary! its gona b gr8... but expensive
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 they not to bad actually. here in NZ you can pick u fully built (and high spec) on for under 6 grand nz
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