36pollici Announces the First Carbon 36er Mountain Bike

Nov 25, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  
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We've previously spoken about DirtySixer, who make larger wheeled bikes for taller riders including LeBron James and last year Trek told us that they are also testing larger wheels (although they seem to have settled with just going to 32" for now). In fact, when you go digging there are actually quite a few companies building larger wheeled bikes including some who use titanium, but none have ever created a carbon frame until now.

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The 36pollici bike was unveiled at Garda Bike Festival and is part of a three-model range that the brand is planning on producing. It is the brainchild of Bruno Vittorio who has been toying with the idea of 36ers since 2016. Even when Focus designed one for an April Fools joke he was not deterred and forged on inspired by the models coming out of the USA. Unfortunately, Bruno passed away in August 2021 so never got to see his dream come to life but his project has been carried on by his daughter Eleonora and a team of friends who work in bike production in Italy.

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The front triangle is a monocoque with the stays bonded

While Eleonora works on creating the moulds and laminating the carbon in Brescia, the rest of the bike spec has been created in collaboration with a number of other Italian companies. Bright Racing Shocks provided the rigid fork. Some 36" mountain bikes do have suspension forks, such as the Truebike MTB, but 36pollici believes that the 36" wheel's angle of attack combined with high volume tyre and flex built into the BRS fork will be enough to smooth out.

The other Italian contribution comes from Braus Components who make the carbon wheels. One of the biggest drawbacks for the 36" design is the massive increase in rotational weight over a 29er. By building the first carbon 36er wheel, Braus was able to reduce the weight of a rim down to 460 grams per rim in the “lightened” version and about 680 grams in the standard version.

The wheels come from Braus components and are probably the lightest 36ers on the market.
Bright Racing Shocks designed the fork to have some built in flex.

While the rims are a big improvement, 36pollici is struggling to find appropriate tires for a 36er. The best models are designed for unicycles and they currently spec the VeeTire T-Monster 36x2.25 72TPI that weighs about 1400 grams per wheel. The bike is set up tubeless but if you were running innertubes, you would have to add around 325 grams on top of that. They are hoping that their collaboration with Braus will result in more tire manufacturers producing higher quality 36" tyres.

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The curved seat tube allows the wheel to be brought inwards for shorter and stiffer stays but it does mean a dropper post can't be fitter. The bike is one size only but 36pollici says it will fit riders from 165 cm up to about 190 cm.

In total, the bike weight comes to 12 kg, or 26.5 lb, which isn't a heavyweight in the grand scheme of things but is about a 3kg or 6lb penalty over the lightest carbon fibre hardtails on the market. 36pollici will be hoping that the weight cost is overruled by the advantages of a 36" wheel that include more stability thanks to the “increased gyroscopic effect”, and more rollover than other mountain bike wheel sizes.

36pollici is also planning to release an aluminium/carbon version of the bike.

36pollici is hoping to begin selling the bike at the start of 2022, depending on supply chain issues, and will announce pricing then. Alongside the full carbon version, it is also creating a fully aluminum version and a bike with an aluminum front triangle and carbon stays. More info, here.


282 Comments

  • 325 0
 Could a 36 26 mullet be considered a penny farthing?
  • 34 1
 maybe they had it right back then. Seems to be the direction we're heading
  • 18 2
 Make it 36 20 Wink
  • 2 0
 Ha!! My thoughts exactly!
  • 5 0
 Since the penny is small, there's only one name this needs to go by. So now we've got 26'er, 27.5, 29er, 3-2's, and Farthings. Got it.
  • 4 0
 take that carbon balance bike and put a 36 wheel and fork on the front. 12/36 mullet
  • 1 0
 You're going to be farthing I'm not sure if pennies, most likely something else, riding 36-26 mullet.
  • 38 1
 Just when I think the bike industry couldn’t possibly be any dumber, they go and do something like this… and totally redeem themselves!!!
  • 11 1
 You know your old when you recognize a dumb and dumber reference @SterlingArcher:
  • 3 0
 You mean 36x24 with a supermonster?
  • 1 2
 sorta but make it 24 and 36 ... Penny is short for Penelope ... those sound like easy to remember numbers .... Penny Farthing can NOW FREWHEEL!!!! can be the sales slogan!!!
  • 2 0
 @rrolly: A 1c coin is small, but a penny is quite large.
  • 7 0
 As it is, 36x36, I consider it a Mountain Donk.
  • 2 0
 This is what the grim donut was missing
  • 123 0
 Article idea - go find all the comments from an early 29er article, and see how much they match up to everything here.
  • 21 0
 Well, scraping your butt with the rear wheel in descents probably was one of them, but I doubt 36" will leave you alone to the same extent as 29".
  • 28 9
 This is the single stupidest thing i have ever seen. Next rampage will be held on Mt. Everest
  • 12 1
 @jeroenk: Wait, nobody has told yet about the 36/29" mullet version that prevents your ass from what you said.
  • 111 2
 29 ain’t dead!
  • 9 0
 Looks a lot like an early 29er. How long before they figure out 36er geo...
  • 8 0
 @whambat: Hopefully we won’t ever have to seriously say that.
  • 26 0
 32 inchers are a lot more playful.
  • 7 0
 @suspended-flesh: so flickable brah
  • 3 0
 @Vlad-Putin: Wow, it’s the supreme leader of Russia! I didn’t know you rode MTB.
  • 10 0
 @BikesNRussets: I do. I also happen to be very close with @notoutsidceo though he is what you call in America, e-gravel wussy I believe.
  • 7 0
 Ah yes. Goddamn iPhone. I had Steve jobs taken care of for small error like this. Meant for @notoutsideceo my friend Robin
  • 1 0
 @suspended-flesh: just have to watch the front foot when doing x-ups.
  • 89 0
 *throws old Park truing stand into trash
  • 51 2
 *digs through trash and grabs fancy new to me stand
  • 63 1
 I might not love the look of the bike, but I do love that it is a labor of love. Hats off Eleonora and Friends!
  • 54 3
 kill it before it lays eggs!!
  • 34 0
 Hans, get ze flammenwerfer!
  • 41 0
 This is only to shock us and prepare us for the 32" that would look normal compared to this.
  • 17 1
 Like plus tires got us all to accept 2.5-2.6” tires as standard.
  • 9 0
 @whambat:

I'm not sure where you ride but for me, Ive even running 2.5 minions on my trail bikes since 2005. Plus tires were not the gateway to fat tires on mtb's, 3.0 gazzy's, IRC Kujo and intense DH2.8 were what really showed the industry what a wide tire could do in the early 2000's
  • 2 0
 My thought exactly. It's kind of strange that nobody filled that gap between 29 and 36 inches... even if I don't think that it would make sense anyways...
On the other hand, I don't understand why the road cycling world never dared to enlarge the diameters of their wheels from 28" to something bigger. That would probably make sense in term of inertia/performances, but road cycling and MTB are really not the same kinds of chapels in term of changement.
  • 2 1
 @danstonQ: UCI rule constraints.
  • 2 0
 @danstonQ: check out the F-UCI bike from a few years ago, radical concept showing potential of a large wheeled road bike.
  • 3 0
 @danstonQ: Wonder what a 36" full sus would be like?
But would have to be tall to have a chance of riding it good?
Maybe big ben Cathro would be the one to show everyone how good it could be?
  • 1 0
 @lone-ranger: I wish my bikes could have run tires that big on the rear back then. Around then, I was happy to have clearance for 2.25s
  • 2 0
 @danstonQ: I always assumed you'd go for a smaller front wheel for drag reasons, bearing resistance is almost non existent compared to spoke air drag.
  • 1 0
 @lone-ranger: that intense 2.8 was really something.
  • 2 0
 I only see this useful for unusually tall people on xxxl bikes. Even then, a 32” wheel would suffice.
  • 1 0
 @the6thElement: Everything isn't guided by UCI rules as far as I know.
Did UCI give its green light to let 27.5 and 29" wheels exist in MTB? No. UCI adapted to their existence.
Do UCI rules concern 99,9% of the mtbikers and road cyclists who don't compete? No again.
Imagine Specialized or Colnago developping a 31" bike which is unanimously convincing. Marketing and press will make their job, more and more amateur cyclists will want that bike; progressively you read things like "28inchesaredead" on forums, competitors appropriate these bikes as well and progressively ban the smaller wheels, then they claim to use the 31" wheels for competition. What the UCI would say, despite its rigidity?
The UCI doesn't always make the weather... fortunately.
  • 2 0
 @danstonQ: MTB wise the rules are quite free. Road, track, cyclo-cross, you're getting your bike measured to the mm by the commissairs. And no unequal sized wheels for a start. Back in the day a load of TT bikes ran a smaller front/larger rear wheel. No more. And the amateur road stuff, certainly for sporty stuff, follows the path the pros are allowed to tread (without bars as slammed, naturally).
  • 1 0
 @danstonQ: there were some track bikes fitted with REALLY large wheels for the hour record. No go from UCI now.
  • 2 0
 I'd get a 32. I just like the idea of bigger/faster/smoother. Sounds great for a cool commuter bike. I love me an epic urban bike. I have one carbon trail/enduro type fully frame I turned into a cruiser and guess what? It's amazing. It's nearly as fast as a road bike with the comfort of a mountain bike because of suspension and the seating position of a city bike but with handlebars that allow for a more aggressive yet comfortable stance.

It's brilliant. I'd love to turn that exact idea into a 32" or something. 36 seems way too limiting for frame geometry.
  • 26 0
 you'll save a lot not needing to buy toilet paper
  • 3 0
 ever
  • 2 0
 Run some semi slicks?
  • 26 1
 That's a NO for me, dawg.
  • 18 3
 Who would want this? Looks about as fun as a road bike!
  • 5 0
 i think this could be tons of fun! in like a silly way, not in a functional way... something to take to a community awareness ride, or challenge your mates to cutty it without the tyres buzzing the frame.
  • 4 0
 You answered your own question (people who would buy a road bike).
  • 8 0
 Ultimate gravel bike
  • 1 0
 @mrosie: this is an interesting one, i remember watching a show on discovery with those guys on recumbent tear drop shaped aero bikes going for i think the unassisted bicycle speed record. apparently the aero drag of the wheel slots was either the same or more than the rest of the bike combined...

so maybe the key for more roadie speed is actually smaller wheels, i'd imagine the increase in bearing drag would be negligible, and the increased frame drag from needing more frame would be more than offset by the decreased wheel drag.
  • 2 0
 @GumptionZA: those top speed drafting bikes have pretty tiny wheels. I think in the real world larger wheel improved roll over benefits and increased traction are probably faster still in the big picture. Surprised race mtbs haven’t adapted more aero tech. They are definitely fast enough to benefit. A modern version of the Rev Xs on mtb would for sure boost speeds. Seriously despite their faults Rev Xs were the best feeling wheels I’ve ever ridden. The swoosh swoosh swoosh as they just kept accelerating was unlike any spoked wheel
  • 1 0
 @GumptionZA: Get all the TDF riders on Bromptons I say!
  • 3 0
 @rich-2000 , I dont know about Great Britain, but in some parts of the states and mexico, which is where i currently live regular Cross Country races started to be replaced to what is called Marathon Cross Country, people would race on a fireroad for 30 to 100 km, with very few single trails and almost no technical sections, those races are pure leg endurance and lung capacity, and since they are safe most these races have way more attendance than any other MTB discipline... are they newcomers to the sport?, of course, and they have $$$ which is what matters at the end of the day.

If the majority of newcomers are going to ride for 30+ kms with no technical sections a 32" or a 36" makes a lot of sense.
  • 2 2
 @Narro2:
That sort of riding/racing is done as cyclocross in the UK.

But you have a point, it would rip on long fire road rides!
  • 3 2
 @rich-2000: yeah, here cyclocross is very technical, totally different sport.

Marathon XC is just fireroad cycling
  • 5 2
 @Narro2: That's the kind of riding I like the most! My GF, my friend and I did a 42km ride last year, with lots of steep climbs and descends on forest trails wide enough to drive a truck, it was awesome that all three of us got to have a good time and never felt like we were engendering ourselves even though our skill levels and equipment quality varied quite a lot!
  • 1 0
 @MatLax00: hahah, it is fun, i've done my fare share of "Epicas" that's how they call them where i live right now. half a day on fireroad uphills then a few hours going downhill crossing different ecosystems, arriving home superlate and the bike dirty as heck with no desire to wash it, just wanting to take a shower and sleep.
  • 4 0
 @Narro2: .... and in the UK. I have no idea what rich2000 has been witnessing but it's definitely not cyclcross. Maybe he's seen
a gravel bike event and is confused.
  • 2 0
 @forkbrayker: most UK cyclo-cross takes place in a city park with a lot of zigzagged tape and RAIN.
  • 1 0
 @forkbrayker:
Does marathon XC exist in the uk as a thing then?

Do people really ride hardtails on fireroad-only long distance endurance races in the uk then?

Definitely not my cuppa tea. Happily do 50km on an enduro event though if there is lots of tech involved!
  • 1 0
 @Narro2: thats marathon, its by far the most popular discipline in south africa, thats basically what cape epic is. its so popular there that when giant had their whole "29ers are stupid" phase and didnt make any, they still made a 29in anthem for the south african market only.
  • 7 0
 Remember, this only looks stupid because they've tried to make it fit like a normal bike for a small/medium rider.

Lets not forget how awkward and shitty 29ers used to look and ride...

https://content.mtbr.com/channels/mtbreview/images/products/large/product_501404_58067.jpg

Fast forward to 2021, and you can now get a great riding and totally proportional 29er for even medium and small riders.

Now, I'm not suggesting that 32" or 36" will take over the entire industry- 29" is probably as big as we can go for smaller riders and still see a benefit with tire buzz, etc. However- if 29" works for medium riders, (and works very well) clearly a larger rider could benefit from an even larger wheel.

Do the math: a 6' 4" rider is about 11.8% taller than a 5' 8" rider. A 32" wheel is only about 10.4% larger than a 29. With appropriately scaled geometry, you could actually build an XXL bike that fits it's intended rider the same way a medium does. Crazy stuff, but maybe not as crazy as it seems.
  • 4 0
 The problem is taller people are taller from a culmination of longer limbs, torso, head size, neck length etc....also people have different proportions in terms of leg length to height... By the time you take into account hanging off the back trying to avoid ass buzz in a squat position, the difference in height of a tall person's ass from the tyre from a shorter person isn't so great. Say for example the tall guy is 6 inches taller, 2 inch taller in legs, 3 inch longer torso, 1 inch longer neck and head, by the time he is in the squat position hanging of the back that 2 inch higher butt height from the rear tyre might drop to 1.5 or even just 1 inch higher than the guy 6 inches taller. A 36 inch wheel is huge compared to a 29 and will also be about as agile as a ship. I don't get this obsession with more and more rollover, if you don't want to feel bumps then why the hell do people ride off road...if you want your off road bike to smooth the terrain like it's a road bike then just ride on paved roads, there is plenty of those about. I find it ironic that they introduce these bigger wheels yet then go and make trails rougher and place huge and huge slabs and rocks....maybe keep the trails the same as they were and we wouldn't need to keep introducing bigger and bigger wagon wheels at the expense of agility.
  • 1 2
 @Danzzz88:

I don’t really see how leg/arm/torso proportion has anything to do with it- There are short people with long legs and short torsos, just like there are gangly tall people. But there are also tall people who are simply big. So that’s nothing we aren’t already dealing with for bike fits at any size. More options is always good.

Don’t forget that dangling your ass off the bike isn’t all that effective with modern geometry, so probably not as critical as it once was.

End of the day I don’t really care what happens. People ride for different reasons, and some people just want to go as fast as possible. Big wheels = speed, and for some that will always be worth it.
  • 2 0
 That old Giant is not even that bad compared to the 36" monstrosity.
  • 1 0
 @BenTheSwabian:

There’s no doubt the 36er is weirder, but that Giant is still seriously bad. Flip between it and the 2022 version in another tab, it’s hilarious.

I seriously doubt 36” could ever be mainstream outside of bikes for basketball players, but I wouldn’t be so sure about 32”.

Think about it- the bike industry is always looking for new things to sell, and changing sizes and dimensions of components is an easy way to have a ‘new thing’ without any actual technological innovation. And there is a legitimate need to better serve the XXL part of the bike market, which isn’t quite as niche as you might think.
  • 8 0
 Derailleur cabal: how are going to deal with this new supre drive situation...how about if we make wheels bigger, then derailleurs won't hit the floor? * Evil laughter*
  • 5 0
 3kg heavier than the lightest hardtails, which also happen to have an extra kilo of suspension fork on the front. I'm enjoying the bonus of "more stability thanks to the increased gyroscopic effect" - maybe I'll whack some more slime in my wheels for the same effect..
  • 2 1
 I'd imagine they could get the weight down quite a bit if they could get a similar part spec to those very light 29ers. Not 6kg less, but maybe cut the difference in half?
  • 9 0
 drifts a turn, tacos both wheels
  • 3 0
 This is why UltraBoost (200mm OLD rear, 142mm OLD front) is the future! You heard it here first.
  • 2 0
 @melanthius: adidas won’t like that name! Ultraboost 20s are lovely running shoes though, haven’t tried the new ones
  • 5 0
 No Water Bottle Holder ? I mean I think ,it looks cool and all ,and id def want to ride it given the chance but,
It kinda looks like, a Big pair of eye glasses w/ a bike frame in the middle Eek Can you turn the front wheel a bit ,It’s like the damn thing’s staring at all of us
Just waiting ,for a comment
  • 1 0
 the bike can be issued to volunteer fire fighters ... they can carry a fire extinguisher in the bottle holder!!!
  • 5 0
 The Eagle cassette looks proportionally sized on that wheel. Hopefully they thought about the need for increased braking power to deal with the extra torque these wheels will have. If you want equivalent barking power to a 200mm rotor, you would need a 250mm rotor…
  • 1 0
 The only 36er I’ve seen in the wild had a special hub and fork that allowed a rotor and caliper on each side side, twin 200 mm rotors. I can’t remember how they were actuated or what the cable setup looked like.
  • 2 1
 You would need a 10-70 cassette...
  • 3 1
 Who doesn't love powerful barks?
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: or 200mm cranks and a tiny sprocket lol
  • 1 0
 I think Galfer already makes 246 rotors hahahahah
  • 5 1
 Given the difficulty I've experienced trying to get bikes to fit any customer over 6' 5" over the years, I welcome this at the very least as a continuing development project for tall people. I'm not super bullish on it for people who fall closer to average height, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
  • 12 9
 Frankly, I think this is nothing more than - ahead of it's time. To suggest that mountain bike speed peaks at 29" wheels would be naive. Clearly, the disadvangtages of larger wheels will be more and more noticeable the larger they are but we're definitely not at the upper limit yet in terms of going faster. I don't necessarily like this trend but see it as somewhat inevitable.
  • 17 2
 It's not inevitable, try to design a 170mm travel 36er for a 180cm tall human and you will see that there are physical limits hard to avoid. Event this rigid 36er looks like it's very near the limits.
  • 5 4
 @lkubica: Ye, I know what you mean but, to me, that's more of a design challenge than a brick wall. Dropped bars, negative stems, radical head tube designs or linkage driven systems could mitigate the issues with getting long travel squish up front.
Not saying any of these would be aesthetically pleasing!
  • 3 0
 @lkubica: Get outta here with your "physical limitations". The only thing we need is to get Karpiel into building 36er downhill bikes and we will see mountain bike design transcend physical limitations!
  • 5 0
 Chances aren't too bad that mountain bike speed *does* peak at 27,5 at least on the rear wheel for gravity applications. It's the only occasion where they went back in size.
  • 1 0
 I agree. With all MTB disciplines happily running 29ers, that suggests to me that going bigger still would be worth a try.
  • 1 1
 @SickEdit: apart from loads of people running 24/26” mullets in their DH bikes 20 years ago.
  • 3 2
 @rojo-1: xc, enduro, dh are running 29 but all the stuff people like to watch and wish they had the skill for is done on smaller wheels.
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: but the article says its fine for people from 165cm upwards! I am 186cm with a 89cm inseam and could not even stand over the rear wheel.
Then again, looking at MX kids climbing onto bikes for adults via the bike stand this might still be legit.
  • 1 0
 @Muckal: yeah, but I meant a hypothetical full suspension, not a rigid XC bike. Anyway, 29er is plenty "lazy" in turns for me, I did adapt from 26, but it is on the edge of my definition of fun. I can only imagine turning on a 36er, try leaning the bike for 2 seconds and there it is - it turns!
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: it was the same story for me, it took me 3 months to feel good on the 29er. To this day i love my 26er rigid for riding around town and basically anything thats onroad.
  • 1 0
 @Muckal: 26 for onroad, 29 for offroad, 36 for dirtjumping
  • 1 0
 I don't need to go faster, I just want my bike to feel more alive.
  • 3 0
 There are functional size limits to things that have to work in relation to the human body. Bikes just can't get any longer and slacker from where they are right now - but they would have to to accomodate 32" or even 36" wheels.
  • 3 0
 Actually I designed the tires and while they are usable for unicycles they are intenddd for bikes. The weight issue is mostly due to the length of the bead - you need a really burly bead to keep the tire from escaping the rim. Could you make them a bit lighter? Sure. But not a ton, and in all honesty I’d prefer something wider (it’s a 2.3) with more aggressive knobs anyway at this point.

-Walt
  • 4 1
 I find it interesting that it is designed for riders 165-180cms, not 200cm and more. So for a downworthy enduro for 200cm+ one will have to add at least 5kgs.Maybe with a motor then?
  • 4 0
 Perfect n+1 bike. I want one just to ride around town! I am 32 curious but 36 seems a bit over the top. I would totally buy a short travel 32-32 fulls sus version.
  • 4 0
 Wouldn't your feet hit the front wheel on slow speed turns?

Or maybe you would be rolling corners so fast it wouldn't matter Smile
  • 4 0
 You just need to move the cleats to the tip of your toes.
  • 2 0
 I was under the impression that the gyroscopic effect has only a minimal impact on balancing a bike.

I found this write-up with some good calculations to reinforce the idea - www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~hemh1/gyrobike.htm

I'm not saying it's totally negligible, but if increasing the gyroscopic effect was all that useful, I think we'd see some different trends in rim/tire weight, no? Wouldn't you want them as heavy as possible?
  • 2 0
 If you compare this to a normal mountain bike, this will look like a stupid idea.
However, if you think of big off road grand tours, trekking, off road bikepacking, this is a good shout. Long marathon slogs, multi day wilderness adventures, long distance endurance races, you want a reliable bike that you can ride in a straight line comfortably for a long period of time and I think a big wheeled rigid bike is a good shout.

Saying that, 36 might be too big…
  • 3 0
 The proportions look wrong. They should go way longer wheelbase, lower and slacker so that it's the same proportions as an enduro, then maybe.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, like early 29ers did.
  • 1 0
 That's how 29'ers look to me now. "but imagine the momentum!"
  • 2 0
 This frame has the potential to make really happy the “bottle mount lovers!” imagine how many bottles can be fitted inside that frame!
Also.
May we hope for a fat-bike version?
  • 2 1
 I’ve ridden 36er muni, it’s a fun wheel size, but I prefer a 32” wheel for overall usability.

The lack of suspension is going to be just as much of an issue for a 36” wheel as it is for a 29” wheel, the builders excuse is just that.

Having ridden these wheel sizes off road, I honestly don’t expect to see them on the trails anytime soon, there’s a lot of rotational weight and it’s a lot of wheel to move around.
  • 1 0
 I’m 5’11” so right in the somewhat middle of the height bar graph. 29” does not fit those below 5’4” that well so why not apply the same logic to those over 6’8”?
Horses for course’s y’all say so apply that logic to fit variables.
Been riding 700c/29” since 1990 when the Panaracer Smoke 700x45 were introduced so have a grasp on getting heckled for trying things out of the mainstream.
Also don’t forget market forces. If rich really tall people want to pony up the coin then good for those who cater to there needs.
Besides, nothing ages worse than a mountain bike if you want to keep on the bleeding edge of technology.
  • 1 0
 There should be no sag issue with this fork, teehee.

Headtube seems to be 70°, and effective seat angle 75°, down to 73° with the offset of the seat post.

I'm thinking there could be a dropper.
There's a big space between the tire and seattube, you could bring the tube closer, and make it go straighter to the downtube to fit a dropper.
And bring the seatstays more in line with the headtube to make the shape more dynamic.
  • 1 0
 From TrueBike’s site:

“People say the riding of bicycle makes you happy but for most of them it is just an empty phrase. Do you know why? They don't ride a proper bicycle and they've never known a real joy of riding. Truebike, the unique 36 inch wheeled bicycle! This bicycle gives you the real feeling that you ride something special. It is not only look amazing but you can have an extraordinary riding experience, too. It's like riding a limo with a sports engine. Comfort meets elegance. And if you take part in some kind of race, doesn't matter if you win, be sure that everybody will notice you. You can feel like a champion, this bike gives you an attention of audience.”

Some strong claims.
  • 1 0
 I’ve had fantasies of owning a 36er for years, if shortarse S sized people are allowed 29ers then us lanky freaks should be allowed 36 & 32 inch wheels. Not ideal for tight n twisy singletrack or rowdy stuff but I imagine they’d be a right blast on fire roads & towpaths once you’ve got those wagon wheels up to speed. 32 would be ideal for 29er rigid fork mullet conversions too if decent tyres were available.
  • 1 0
 One thing that I think would make this impractical is the height it would place the rider off the ground. I'm 6'2", with a 37" inseam. I have a size large Niner RIP 9. With the seat height set for the correct leg extension my saddle is 46" above the ground. It's tricky to both get on and off, especially in a difficult riding situation. I can't imagine how many nosedives I'd take with the saddle 3" taller. Even a giant person would be in the same boat, maybe even worse because their legs would likely be proportionally longer. A person my size would need a step stool to mount and dismount.
  • 1 1
 What makes you think the rider will be higher? Its mostly dictated by where the BB goes
  • 1 0
 I have 15 years on a 36'er and I welcome this modern design. My Coker Monster Cruiser rolls over obstacles with ease. Downsides: toe overlap was minimized by using 150mm cranks, coaster rear brake and a front rim brake are less than effective, single speed gearing with short cranks make even a modest hill a chore.
  • 4 0
 Well that escalated quickly.
  • 5 1
 36 is not enough, we need 40!
  • 5 1
 Hard pass on this one. And on 32" and 36" in general.
  • 4 0
 stop!! stop right now please
  • 5 0
 Send one to Sam Pilgrim!
  • 3 0
 Would be the dream!
  • 5 0
 #29aintdead
  • 2 0
 This bike wipes your bottom with rear tire, no need to use toilet paper. If there is ever a TP shortage again you would just need to go on a ride - all good.
  • 1 0
 Did I just see 'Mountain Bike' in the title?!?!? Try again...
Their design team must have been inspired by pausing Pinkbike Huck to Flat challenge when the bikes had bottomed out...
  • 3 0
 On the plus side, you’ll be a bit less likely to ruin your $1000 derailleur if it’s 3.5” higher than on a 29er.
  • 2 0
 36pollici: "the 36" wheel's angle of attack combined with high volume tyre and flex built into the BRS fork will be enough to smooth out."

Narrator: "It won't."
  • 4 0
 This needs to stop. I m calling the police.
  • 1 1
 Not surprising to see folks poo poo this. Everything gets resisted until suddenly folks buy in. The one challenge I see is how close the downstroke pedalling foot would come to the front tire at the 3 o'clock position. If you got big flippers it looks like it would be easy to hit.
  • 1 0
 Those wheels would survive maybe 5 minutes. It would need proportionally wider hubs and rims to work well, and weigh in closer to 35 lbs. Send one to Pilgrim for "quality control testing", that would be entertaining.
  • 1 0
 Don't think I would ever buy one. But I admire when people get creative and out of the box in the pursuit of their passions. Wouldn't mind throwing a leg over one someday just because.
  • 1 0
 26" => 27.5" => 29" => 36"?

So we're just going to skip over 30.5", 32", 33.5" and 35? This is escalating quickly. How is the industry supposed to sell 4x more bikes if you do 36 now?
  • 4 0
 April?
  • 3 0
 How many shades of ugly does that come in. Just asking for a friend
  • 4 1
 All I can say: Mullet 36 -29 Let's go!
  • 1 0
 I ran some real rough numbers on this and it’s hilarious. 36 is about 80mm more wheel diameter than 29. So to keep approximately the same head tube angle, you need to reduce the fork axle-to-crown by 80mm to accommodate the higher hub position. Then to prevent bottoming of the tire on the crown you also need to reduce travel by 80mm. So if you start with a 200mm 29er DH fork, you’re left with a grand total of 40mm of travel after converting the front from 29 to 36.

And of course you’ll need a frame with a down tube that tire won’t hit at bottom out.

I struggle to imagine that the rollover benefits of a 36 front wheel are so amazing that it’s worth giving up 160mm of suspension travel.

Another thought experiment for the enduro set: to maintain geometry while putting a 36 front wheel on a Transition Spire you should run a rigid fork.
  • 2 0
 Correction: it's 80mm difference in _radius_, not diameter. All the rest of my numbers are correct (within the bounds of rough calculation)
  • 3 0
 My old fashioned 29’er is now unridable. Must buy new shinny thing.
  • 1 10
flag sheabuggbutter (Nov 25, 2021 at 6:28) (Below Threshold)
 What are you 5? its a 36 you dumbass
  • 3 0
 @sheabuggbutter: What are you, four? It’s sarcasm…
  • 2 0
 The bicycles of Bidet
Wha? dangit SIRI
I said, To-day
Now look what you’ve done
  • 6 2
 Oh Fuck right Off!
  • 4 0
 29 for life!
  • 4 0
 That is hideous
  • 3 0
 It has the same proportions as an XS 29er.
  • 1 0
 Hmm depends in rider’s height? Then again, it doesn’t look very nice. Not sure where can we determine the threshold of MTB wheel sizes that should not be crossed.
  • 2 0
 Size of that you would need an HGV licence to ride it .Not slacker not lower just Longerrrrrrrrrrrr...
  • 3 0
 Wait, was I in a coma? Is it April 1st already?
  • 1 0
 Might as well slap on some 1.5" tires on a road bike and call it a mountain bike! That thing looks more like a track bike and belongs solely in a velodrome!
  • 1 0
 Just wait.. A super super boost, high pivot 4 idler, 36” 42 spoke bike with 145mm cranks is coming next. Heard is going to be called the grim don……
  • 1 0
 I'd love to throw a leg over one of these. Hopefully frame companies take what we've learned about geo in the past 10 years with 29ers and apply it to these.
  • 1 0
 They probably spent more time pondering whether or not it could be done, that they neglected to think whether or not doing it was worth it in the first place
  • 3 0
 That does NOT look like a Session.
  • 1 0
 He should be banned !!!
Obviously the industry is moving in 1,5" increments...Who is this man exactly to make the jump from 29" to 36" ?????
  • 4 0
 Kill it with fire.
  • 1 0
 What f*ck is the point if these are only suitable for riders up to 190cm? Wouldn't it make sense to make these for tall people?
  • 1 0
 One possibility is that 36" bike geometry needs to change drastically so that the rider sits "in" the bike (between the wheels), not "on" the bike.
  • 1 0
 Grim Donut got it wrong on wheel size. It should have been built with 50's to leap-frog the incremental wheel size growth steps the same way it did geometry.
  • 1 0
 Lines look okay on the bike but it looks like everything is cramed into a small space. Just looks awkward to ride. Not more me.
  • 1 0
 these things are great for pro basketball players and useless for anyone else. I've ridden one, the gyroscopic effect on the front wheel is insane.
  • 1 0
 I don't understand the bike, other that the need to be different. There is no way that bike is smoother than a full susp 29er which weighs the same.
  • 2 0
 that's gonna hurt if you lean back off the seat a little to much.
  • 1 0
 Needs to be slacker and longer And there might be issues of a.. and b.... clearance
  • 2 1
 It looks like a different attack angle on the issue of ground clearance of 12spd drive trains, no?
  • 7 0
 True, but it's also a different attack angle of the tire to the rider's crotch.
  • 2 0
 April's fool already? I miss the whole winter?
  • 3 0
 just no.
  • 2 0
 Can't wait for the new 29er pumptrack bike !
  • 2 0
 10 more years and we will me mounting bikes like horses. All the way up.
  • 1 0
 That is the first bike I've seen make a 50t top sprocket look like a 32 top sprocket on a 26er.
  • 2 0
 Shine on, you crazy diamond.
  • 2 0
 Gravel bros just wet themselves at the possibilities
  • 2 0
 and you thought ebikes looks bad
  • 1 0
 It would be interesting to ride, but will your toes hit the front tire when turning? Have to get super short cranks.
  • 2 0
 I bet it turns and stops like an oil tanker.
  • 2 0
 I just want to see a full DH version of the fucka.
  • 2 0
 just because you can does not mean you should!
  • 1 0
 Now everyone can know what it was like to ride a size small 29er ten years ago!
  • 2 0
 I look forward to seeing the enduro version
  • 1 0
 If you hate someone just give them this with a set of Zipp aero wheel covers and they can sail away
  • 1 0
 Yes. Bigger wheels. Why not. Might as well try it. If it sucks then it sucks, but dont knock it till you've tried it
  • 1 0
 That’s what I always thought too, until I tried eating donkey turds and smoking crack. Turns out they were right, not good.
  • 1 0
 full disclosure, I warmed up to the crack but those donkey turds are still a tough sell
  • 2 0
 I swear if this becomes the new norm just as 29ers ....
  • 2 0
 And so the bullshit starts again...
  • 3 0
 Get effed.
  • 2 0
 Longer car/van and ditch the bike rack?
  • 2 0
 Not sure who can call this a mountain bike.
  • 1 0
 They won't be able to go any further in that direction, they'll have to find something else.
  • 2 0
 If u swap out number 3 for a 2 its a 26er lol
  • 2 0
 real mullet is 36 inch front by 29er rear
  • 2 0
 I'd be keen if it had plus size tyres.
  • 2 0
 i swear if this becomes a thing
  • 1 0
 Next year they are coming out with a 37.5”. I’m going to wait for that game changer.
  • 1 0
 Looks intriguing in an odd way. How do tall riders keep from hitting their legs on the front wheel during turns?
  • 1 0
 This is bullshit.....Sram promised me they were coming out with 33.99 wheels.
  • 1 0
 Much like a very tall woman: interesting to look at, will inspire speculation, but ultimately an impractical choice.
  • 1 1
 That seat stay is horrible looking being a few inches above the top tube like that. Why couldn't they just make them look like they join instead of that design.
  • 1 0
 Whatever, still roll the 26er on 1x 10spd and have nooo reason to change it
  • 1 0
 They might as well put 1000 mm handlebars on, a 50 degree head angle, and 300 mm of travel.
  • 2 0
 Eh?!
  • 4 4
 I can't wait to hear all the same arguments for 36in that we heard for 29ers in 2015 verbatim.
  • 2 1
 Yeah I want to say the same thing, however back when 29ers were first coming out nobody was mulleting 26" dh bikes with a 24" rear, sure the old BigHit was around for a minute but that was more for hucking. I want to say 29ers are the limit but Ill probably be eating my shoe in a couple years so who knows lol.
  • 2 0
 No.
  • 2 0
 It begins.
  • 2 0
 No
  • 1 0
 Will there be a drop bar "spirit of gravel" model to follow?
  • 2 0
 Why tho?
  • 1 0
 Make it steel and let’s tak
  • 1 0
 I'm not sure if this is something to be proud of, but I've personally made more 36ers than anyone on earth, probably. I also designed the tires that are apparently too heavy, lol. But yes, if you want a steel 36er, I can do that.
  • 1 0
 Oh dear!!! All I have to say about that
  • 1 0
 Does looks like a Hardtail in full compression
  • 2 0
 want Big Grin
  • 1 1
 A bunch of hatred on here, but once you see Messere's new jump edit on this bike, you'll shut it.
  • 1 0
 Does it come with a Top Hat and Patent leather shoes?
  • 1 0
 I wanna see Wyn Masters doing manual on this
  • 2 0
 36"-32" mullet incoming
  • 1 0
 36-29 - Atherton Billy Ray
  • 1 0
 Edit - The Billy Ray...
  • 1 0
 But does it roll over obstacles?
  • 1 0
 full rigid bike... how about no
  • 1 0
 there is no toe overlap at all....
  • 2 0
 Buck to flat!!
  • 2 0
 Huck*
  • 2 0
 Soooo stupid.
  • 2 0
 Gone too far
  • 2 0
 Is this a joke?
  • 1 0
 Y’re havin’ a giraffe!
  • 1 0
 What will you say to the Pollici, when they stop you on your ride?
  • 2 0
 Yep, I want one
  • 1 0
 Looks disgusting, but would love to try it.
  • 2 0
 *face palm*
  • 1 0
 Better order in two bottles of Stans tyre sealant.
  • 2 0
 Tacos anyone?
  • 1 0
 This is a mullet ;https://www.pinterest.pt/pin/782289397760398846/
  • 1 0
 ahh…brings back memories of my ol’ 42
  • 1 0
 I’d have one in my stable
  • 2 0
 this is getting silly
  • 1 0
 Nah. I’m waiting this one out for 39”
  • 1 0
 That is someone else's bike. Definitely not mine!
  • 1 0
 Is it good? Is it bad? I don’t know but would be curious to ride one.
  • 2 0
 No
  • 2 0
 One question, why?
  • 1 0
 Wheel Envy - it is a real issue.......................
  • 1 0
 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  • 1 0
 Even 29” tires are too big
  • 1 0
 Why isn't there a picture anyone riding the bike?
  • 1 0
 good god, nooo. please, let's keep this on the road.
  • 1 0
 Real life..??
  • 1 0
 What on earth?!
  • 1 0
 And so it begins
  • 6 7
 What the shit. Labor of love aside that is the fugliest monstrosity ever. I have an idea sell that crap to the e- bike crowd
  • 2 3
 Nice, been riring my home made 36er's for 10 years now (Payaso) they ride and handle better than most people believe!
  • 1 0
 better than total crap aint much to brag about.
  • 1 1
 No water bottle mounts!! What are they thinking?
  • 2 0
 I know right, why spend all that money if there are no bottle mounts!
  • 1 0
 A new Gravel bike!
  • 2 2
 Pick a wheel size, any wheel size and be a dick about it
  • 1 1
 big brain + big wheel = big gains!
  • 1 1
 12s cassette looks normal at least
  • 1 0
 Okay
  • 1 0
 It looks like Session Wink
  • 1 1
 Why not?
  • 5 7
 Well, at least it doesn't look shit!
  • 4 0
 I puked a little bit in my mouth too
  • 1 2
 Titus Apple is a bitch
  • 2 3
 The new beautiful!
  • 1 2
 TAKE. MY. MONEY!!!!
  • 7 10
 I think its awesome looking!
  • 2 7
flag sheabuggbutter (Nov 25, 2021 at 6:27) (Below Threshold)
 I couldn't agree more!

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