5 Different Storage Solutions on the EWS Circuit

May 28, 2020
by Ed Spratt  
Now, this is hardly the solution for racing but Mike Levy has found duct tape to be a semi-viable option.

Riders have been creating solutions to carrying supplies on their bikes since the beginning of the sport of mountain biking. With an almost endless combination of storage solutions, we decided to look through the archives to find some of the different carrying solutions we have seen at the top level of enduro racing over the years.

Frame Straps:

By far, the most popular choice among enduro racers is the handy frame strap, which allows riders to store a variety of different tools and devices pretty much anywhere on their frame. The top tube or the inside of the frame on the downtube seems to be the most common option among riders. From simple velcro straps to fancy straps using BOA closure systems, there are definitely some unique setups to be seen.

Backcountry Research Straps keep spares in check just in case
A matching strap for Richie Rude.

marco osborne s cannondale jekyll
Marco Osborne just about manages to fit a water bottle and inner tube onto his 2017 Cannondale Jekyll.

Iago Garay s Santa Cruz Megatower - Rock Shox on suspension duties
Iago Garay s Santa Cruz Megatower - Occam tube tool strap with Boa closure
Iago Garay makes the most of the space available on his Santa Cruz Megatower as he stores his equipment underneath the shock with a fancy strap that is tightened by a BOA closure system.

Yoann Barelli comes well prepared as he stashes his race essentials in a handy pouch that is strapped to the top tube of his Commencal Meta.

Theo Galy giving his spare tube a light dusting of Madeiran soil.

Damien Oton Bike Check
Damien Oton's tube and Co2 canister are right in the firing line on his 2017 Devinci Spartan.

Sam Hill Overall Winning Bike





Tape:

If a strap seems basic then check out the riders opting instead for some tape as their means of attaching tubes and CO2 canisters to their bike. It doesn't really seem to offer any clear advantages over the frame strap but, it probably saves a few grams as long as you don't mind the risk of your kit falling off mid-race.

Enduro World Series Madeira 2019 bikes
Martin Maes finds the perfect spot to store an inner tube on his 2019 GT Force.

Justin Leov bike check
Justin Leov goes for a lo-fi setup on his Canyon Strive from 2016. Just a few strips of tape and some foam to store his tire plug.

Greg Callaghan
No expense spared for Greg Callaghan's custom black tape setup from Finale Ligure, 2018.

A tube in a tube for Jesse Melamed at the Petzen-Jamnica EWS round in 2018.





SWAT:

The SWAT storage on Specialized bikes is probably by far the fanciest storage system with plenty of space for pretty much everything you could need during a race and even some extra room for a few trail snacks. It also has the benefit that you don't need to worry about anything falling off the bike mid-race and leaving you without any important tools or equipment.

Maxime Chapuis opts for a more substantial set up as he is able to fit a Co2 canister, zip ties, tire levers, and a tube into the SWAT storage on his Specialized S-Works Enduro 2020

Killian Callaghan uses his SWAT box to store a tube, CO2, gear cable, tape, and a spare hanger.





BB:

Although not having a whole lot of space for storage using the empty space in the bottom bracket area with applicable cranks is the perfect place for small items like tire plugs.

Gustav Wildhaber uses his crank axle to store a single tire plug on his Prototype 170mm Cube from 2019.

Sam Hill Overall Winning Bike
Sam Hill opts for a crank plug on his 2017 series winning Nukeproof Mega.

Keegan Wright and his Devinci 29 Spartan
Keegan Wright opts for a custom foam crank plug on his Devinci Spartan during EWS Whistler 2018.





EDC:

Another internal storage option is One Up's EDC system, which allows riders to store a variety of different tools inside their steerer tube which helps keep the frame free of small items and, it definitely looks better than having a whole load of tools strapped to your frame.

Joe Barnes using One Up's EDC tool system for his Orange Alpine 6

A Garmin and an EDC system on Pedro Burns' Trek.

Jesse Melamed Rocky Mountain Instinct EWS 2018
'Full Send' for Jesse Melamed





Bonus:

Ed rides a Bergamont Encore on Manitou and Maxxis.
Eddie Masters captures the spirit of enduro with his unique water bottle setup and a mid-race snack taped to his saddle for the 2016 Giant Toa Enduro.





227 Comments

  • 159 42
 If only someone would design a small slim back pack to hold tools and a spare tube.
Thinking about it you could probably get some snacks in there and maybe some water. Hey if you made it a bit padded it could help protect your back if you fell off.
One day ...until then i will have to tape a tube to my £8k bike!
  • 46 36
 a back pack... on a bike... restrict movement... Better with a tight fitting top with pockets in, roadies have it dialled, they have been at it longer than us though. The kids think its all about reinventing the wheel.
  • 6 4
 @betsie: exactly, a slightly tighter top with Padded pockets ( lower back) would be sweet. I use a stealth hip bag and don’t notice I’m using it, but to incorporate it into a top could be a winner!
  • 89 19
 Have you ever ridden without a pack ? No going back
Backpacks are hikers technology than crossed over. They don't have bikes to store things on/in.
  • 11 1
 @Shredtheduck: I don’t use a backpack I use a stealth Hip bag, much smaller and you forget you have it on.
  • 26 6
 I know it's all down to personal preference at the end of the day but I don't like the feeling of riding without a back pack. Especially after a week in Morzine geared up to the hilt like I'm the Master Chief, 2 litres of water, lunch and tools on board. I'm so used to it by now!
  • 18 23
flag WAKIdesigns (May 28, 2020 at 3:54) (Below Threshold)
 @betsie: roadies missed one thing though - they are very pretentious about NOT having front pockets in vests and that's the only good thing about colder weather for me. Being able to stop a snickers and the phone in the front of the vest.
  • 42 5
 Exactly. And as well as tools, pump and tube I always take 2-3 litres of water, food and a first aid kit. And most of the year I take a waterproof an extra layer too. There's no way it's practical to strap that lot on to your bike. And even if you managed to it would look horrendous, wreck your paint work and all your stuff would get soaked and covered in $h1+.
Sure, there's shorter rides, days with more predictable weather etc when I take less with me, and I do uplift days without a pack when I know I can easily walk back to get whatever I need, but aside from that every ride since about 1993 has been with a camelbak and I can honestly say I don't even notice that it's there. I'll probably be the last man on the planet to stop using a pack!
The downside of course is that all my trendy mates who now don't carry enough stuff with them all need to borrow things from me!
  • 4 0
 @haroman666: You might not want to have the same setup in hot humid jungle with vines and monkeys that tries to take off with your bag when you put it down.

Over here, we try to keep extra weight and insulate on the back as little as possible.
Usually hip packs are the order of the day but if we can stash it on the bike, we'll store it there.
  • 3 3
 @peanutcracknell: I'm almost there with you - heavy stuff on the bike and light bulky stuff like first aid kit in the back protector back pack. I'll put a collapsible bottle in the pack if I need more than 1 bottle, which is on the frame. I find too much weight in the pack tires my arms and give me a bad back.
  • 6 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I started using the Camelbak Chase vest recently and I love the front pockets! While in the Army the LBV (load bearing vest) was my favorite piece of equipment.

Phone and snacks in the front are a game changer!
  • 1 0
 @kyran12: If you dont have SWAT these look cool, nice call!
  • 2 1
 @peanutcracknell: I get exactly the same thing... My friends will say "Oh, it's not too far to walk to the tram", but at the same time you can really leave if you can help them.
  • 2 1
 @kyran12: looks kind of similar to the wolf tooth b-rad stuff. Sadly, only any good if whoever designed the bike bothered putting in space and bosses for a bottle cage. Here's looking at you Nukeproof...
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Good point.
I ride longer rides quite often with a Gillet, I hike with it too, I love that front pocket.

Roadies didnt realise how good that pocket is, none of my dads tops or mine have one.
  • 6 5
 @betsie: Front Pockets in Gillet is best a man can geeeeet!
  • 1 0
 www.scott-sports.com/dk/en/product/scott-vanguard-evo-jacket-protector
a bit expensive option, but combines saftey and storage.I m thinking about buying it for enduro races.
  • 5 0
 @Shredtheduck: a few years back I forgot my pack at home. Purchased a water bottle at a grocery store and went on my ride. Wow how liberating riding without a pack. I have been wearing SWAT bibs ever since.
  • 9 5
 Clearly some people don't like to carry a backpack which is the whole point of strapping shit to your bike. I am sure they are aware that backpacks exist. How long til we stop seeing these types of comments and people accept the fact that some people prefer the simplicity of carrying their supplies on their bikes?

I presume more and more companies will eventually adopt the SWAT-style box that has been implemented on a few brands.
  • 9 6
 @nmilot92: I think it's two categories of people: those who just don't want to change, and those who need to carry more stuff than normal (or think they need to). I've never known someone to go from using bike storage or a lumbar pack to using a backpack, but I know plenty of people who've gone from backpacks to lumbar or on-bike (myself included and no looking back).

Having your soft tissue supporting a large weight while bouncing along on trails is just a bad idea. It's hard to argue with the bad mechanics of a backpack - your shoulders and spine/core supporting storage (or god forbid, water), while bent over on a bike? At least a lumbar pack positions the weight on your pelvis, which is directly supported by your saddle.

The majority of people I see on trails with backpacks on now are either doing a MASSIVE ride, or are old or on an old bike or don't ride very much. I know there are exceptions to that, but it's becoming the norm more and more.
  • 7 2
 @rickybobby18: Yes I agree. The point I was trying to make is it comes down to preference. Every time a new device is brought up on PB that allows you to carry items on your bike, people start with their sarcastic comments about just using a backpack.

And ya I only carry a backpack if I am going on a long ride. Typically my rides are confined around a small trail system. So there really is no point of me wearing a pack. it only holds me back and bounces around and is uncomfortable as you mentioned.

But yes, people don't want change. I mean look at all the comments when ebikes are brought up lol i am not saying I would ride one, but I am not gonna judge people who do. And I guarantee all the people complaining have never actually ridden one. They just join the bandwagon of people against it. Let people do what they want!
  • 9 2
 @ompete:
>stealth hip bag
you mean fanny pack?
  • 4 5
 @rickybobby18: agreed. The only thing I can say is that there is a diminishing return to a hip pack when more water gets involved, since whole things starts to jump way more when you have 2pounds of stuff in there. So for long rides in heat... backpack. Otherwise not even hip pack if possible.
  • 6 1
 Things racers know... Strava is for self training only, and backpacks are for bikepacking, not racing.
  • 3 6
 @jgainey: Strava is for peasants who can't afford Freelap! Big Grin

Ok, ok I ordered the subscription. Whoever wants to come out, write below.
  • 2 0
 @peanutcracknell: Same thing for me! I do remember my first Camelbak in the mid 90s. Why would I even bother using something else? Even if I live in a hot and dry place where wearing a backpack ain't always nice, that's the only solution to start a ride with 3L of water.
  • 1 1
 @WAKIdesigns: but dude, do you know how much turbulence can be created by a snickers in your front pocket??
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Don't trust roadies, people wearing an helmet over their cycling cap are not trustworthy lol .
  • 5 0
 it's me the only one with a saddle bag out there? Hanger, tube, levers, cable, chain link, multi tool, couple zip ties and a few coils of duct tape, all in this £4 beauty:
www.decathlon.co.uk/100-bike-saddle-bag-black-04l-id_8347394.html
  • 9 6
 @ismasan: I just reported your comment and hope you'll be banned for life. I took PB with e-bikes, I took PB with down country and gravel, but I won't take Saddle bags!
  • 1 0
 Get an Alpinestar Paragon Bib and the problem is solved
  • 3 0
 @betsie: Bibs with pockets are pretty nice too.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't understand vests. Your nips are cold, but your arms are hot or something? I don't ever ride in conditions where such a thing would happen.
  • 4 0
 @ismasan: Saddle bag doesn't work on many bikes because the wheel hits the bag when the suspension compresses and the dropper is down. It's a nice option if you have a hardtail or enough clearance.
  • 2 0
 I don't like wearing a pack, and will avoid it in any way I can. Part of the reason I picked the E29 was the SWAT storage. I have everything I need permanently stored on/in my bike at all times. If I need extra water I will carry a second bottle in a waist pack I have designed for running. If I need more than that, I will wear my bib shorts with pockets. But I prefer not to do that unless I really need to.

Pretty much the only time I wear a pack is if I am doing a long run (I'm also an ultra runner). Even then, only if I can't use aid stations or something. Carrying 2 liters of water on my back, even in a lightweight running style one, is just annoying. Plus the extra heat retention. I did a 50 mile race with two 10 ounce water bottles, just using the aid stations every hour to refill.
  • 2 3
 I came by to downvote a certain person. That is all.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah, the reason they do that is because of how leaned over and hunched they are. It would be extremely uncomfortable to have your phone, or snacks, or enduro banana being crushed by your posture...
  • 1 7
flag WAKIdesigns (May 28, 2020 at 10:55) (Below Threshold)
 @JacobyDH: but I ride Gravel in a similar position.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: oh, then you’re lucky! For the rare occasion that I use Lycra, I would never put anything in the front pockets for how uncomfortable things can get...
  • 2 0
 @dthomp325: I used to feel the same but I’ve been converted. Vests are awesome when it’s a little too warm for a jacket but a little too chilly for just a Jersey. Takes the edge off, especially when descending. In spring and fall I always carry a super light wind breaking vest.
  • 1 0
 @ompete: What bag you using?
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: to be honest for most of my rides, I just use a Fox ranger jersey. Sometimes I even use a cotton T-Shirt. Sometimes I’ll use Lycra, or actual kits, but I like being lazy and putting on what I feel like! lol
  • 2 0
 Once you get used to a frame bag, backpacks are just annoying. The problem is pretty much all commercial frame bags are poorly designed and not made for downhilling, so the only solution is to build one yourself.
  • 1 0
 @kyran12: those prices?!? :-)
  • 1 0
 @ompete: Have you seen the Race Face Stash line? They are a line of bib shorts / mesh undershirts that are tight fitting with pockets to wear under your normal kit.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: You are being Sensored.
  • 1 0
 @duzzi: You should check out the specialized swat bib..three pockets and a zippered stash pocket for phones or cards, and a sleeve on the leg for gels...I am never getting any other bib until someone makes a better one. www.specialized.com/us/en/mens-mountain-liner-bib-shorts-with-swat/p/175037?color=280718-175037&searchText=64220-3901
  • 1 0
 @CodeBlue: plus one on the SWAT bibs and shorts too. Excellent phone pocket in the thigh. CO2 and mini tool in the other pocket and I'm dialed.
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: I don't understand the people with backpacks at all. With modern bikes what they are how often is your shit breaking down? What do you need with all that crap on your back? I ride 30+ mile out and backs all the time with nothing more than a large water bottle and a Co2 and mini tool in my pocket. Tubeless plug in the bottom bracket. And I ride solo most of the time.
  • 1 0
 @Thelittleweasel: Fanny means something else in the UK????
  • 2 0
 @garrisond5: big world. people need different things in different climates.
  • 1 0
 @joebunn: it's not a location thing. I live in Central Oregon and ride all year in all conditions. Climate is no excuse to pack a giant backpack full of spares and tools and excess crap. I agree that riding in AZ in the summer may require some extra fluids,but the rest of that crap is just going for a ride with you. To each his own, I just don't get it.
  • 2 0
 @garrisond5: For me its the extra fluids that has me wearing a pack. Granted it's a small pack and I don't carry much in it other than snacks and water. I also only wear it when I know I'll need more water than one bottle will hold. I've tried hip packs and they're okay for carrying minimal stuff but are annoying once you put water in them. The small pack fits tight and doesn't move around when sending shreddy hucks to Gnarnia. I need to try the SWAT liners but I fear having a full water bottle bouncing around in them would be more annoying than my small Camelback Chase vest.
  • 1 0
 @garrisond5: Some of us sweat profusely in the winter. I can empty a full Camelbak on a normal ride. On an epic, I'm out of water pretty quick. I forced myself to switch the the Osprey Savu shortly before last year's 30 day ride challenge & I like it. It's got it's limits for sure & I have a Camelbak Mule for when I want to go on a big ride with rain jacket & knee pads stashed away.

This week I'm going to try a thing a lot of guys in my area(like @danielsapp use, which is a Sawwyer Mini) so I can just carry one bottle. We do have a ton of water sources here & I've been able to do longer riders than I was able to in the past so I want to have plenty of "potential" water for my rides.

Honestly, going to the Southwest to ride someplace like Moab, I'd be in a total fear state & pack a loaded down Camelbak. Never faced dehydration in my life thanks to where I live so would be nervous in that situation...sweat monster with minimal fluids in a dry climate Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @NotSorry: go to REI and buy a couple of their soft collapsible bottles. They sit in the bib pocket perfectly with no bouncing and bonus: they get smaller as you use them. I just refill my bike bottle with it so the water stays colder.
  • 1 0
 @garrisond5: Good call!
  • 2 0
 @haroman666: man i cant get away from my slim camelback from late 90s either..... im 30, get made fun of all time for it but idc... i fell naked w/o it!
  • 41 3
 A BOA strap........ Velcro strapping is SOOO cheap like pennies. An some body has made a BOA strap Shit mountain bikers buy
  • 30 0
 If somebody told me that a BOA cowboy hat existed, or even a BOA headband, I would believe them. BOA pet harness? Absolutely. The point at which I would start to have doubts would be BOA childrens cereal made of little BOA marshmallow dials.
  • 8 4
 It might save 3 seconds on a tyre change so you can get back to strava
  • 16 8
 @zyoungson: f*ck sträva
  • 18 1
 @Ron-C: Madness. What’s next, a BOA constrictor?
  • 7 1
 @oskimtb: Yes, 3 seconds to get back to taking all the strava lines on your way to cheating to the leaderboard!

Actual Trail overhead view: /\__/\/\/\_/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Strava GPS recorded overhead view with strava lines: --------------^__/\_____
  • 3 1
 MTB is going "downhill" fast - this stuff used to be the preserve of the skinny tyre crowd. B
  • 2 0
 @oskimtb: woaahh let’s not say things we can’t take back!
  • 3 0
 currently rocking a BOA cast on my broken wrist. didnt know it existed.... but Im glad it does.
  • 26 0
 The human body has all kinds of openings and crevices to stash things in.
  • 1 0
 :-0
  • 10 0
 Ah, the old "prison wallet" Big Grin
  • 7 0
 And if we keep getting rogered by ridiculous prices in this sport it'll be easier than ever to keep stuff in there. Just don't cough and lose your shovel halfway down a trail.
  • 17 0
 I think I have this mastered! Tubolito inner tube completely hidden under my saddle; valve stem, valve for tubolito tube and CO2 head in my crank axle; tubeless repair kit including reamer and spare bacon strips in my handbar ends; OneUp EDC with CO2 and quick link in the steerer; valve core remover built into valve cap; zip ties under the air cap on my forks; and a bottle cage with a pump mount. Snacks and gels go in my pockets. It's great for shorter rides where 720ml of fluid is enough. All this without a strap.
  • 3 0
 How do you fix the spare tube to the saddle without a strap or tape?
  • 4 0
 @FuzzyL: The Tubolito tube is tiny and I folded it flat (it comes rolled round). (44g) It just wedges in above the rails. I use a bit of tape just to make sure it can't fall out.
  • 2 2
 @FuzzyL: underseat bag that only attached to rails. There are some out there that fit a tube, tools and snack.
  • 3 3
 @MikeW75 - some friends had issues with installing Tubolito at home by damaging it during installation, I am quite sceptical about performing a surgery on the trail - what's your experience with them?
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: none - I just got it last week and haven't puctured for a long time, so hopefully it will be a while till I find out if it is any good or not. Fitting a tube will be a last resort - I carry the tubeless repair kit and a tyre boot, which I'd always try first.
  • 1 0
 @MikeW75 Sounds like you have a good setup! I have a similar setup myself but also have CushCore in both wheels which I didn't see mentioned anywhere in these posts. I think it's worth the weight and protects my rims. I carry a Tubolito just in case. Cheers.
  • 3 2
 @MikeW75: I just heard it’s tricky to install. Wanted one myself but not sure 100g is worth counting on having a tube In case and then getting it messed up.
  • 1 0
 @localearth: I'm running Rimpact.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I have heard the exact same - they are finicky and can be difficult to install. Then there's the fact that if I'm in terrain that has already punctured my reinforced tires, I'd be wary of pushing on with an unproven ultra-light tube.
  • 2 2
 @pnwpedal: I had them in my hands and just can’t see installing them into a tire with mud and loam all over the place, sticking to the sealant inside the tire to top that.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: yep. They are slick and have a funny shape during installation. Good luck with sealant and dirt/mud all over your hands.
  • 15 0
 Velcro, electrical tape, a few different things in a different holes and some parts strapped on................. Sounds like a fun COVID evening in!
  • 1 1
 I’ve been bombing into Zoom calls among porn star friends. They know how zoom right.
  • 14 0
 I prefer the strap-on method, at the end of the day if it fits, give it a go.
  • 33 0
 And what about attaching stuff to your bike?
  • 10 1
 I get it for racing but doesn’t anyone take first aid kits with them anymore? I have yet to see a bag less solution for rides of more than an hour or so or that stay close enough to the car or home not to need a first aid kit.
  • 1 1
 Yeah at that point I would assume most people just bring a real bag? I love my fanny pack, but it has it's limitations.
  • 1 0
 My first aid kit packs up smaller than a water bottle and will fit in a bib or jersey pocket no problem.
  • 1 0
 I carry a few first aid essentials in my hip pack. I used to lug around a very complete 2lb kit on every ride because it fit easily in my big backpack, but after almost never using most of the items on a ride, I pared it down to cover an allergic reaction, a gaping wound, and that's about it. If I'm on a epic ride, I will generally carry a pack and toss the full kit in.
  • 1 1
 People ride for less than an hour???
  • 3 0
 Genuinely curious what you'd carry on a bike first aid wise that would actually help when needed. Gauze and tape maybe? I did use that once on a guy who went OTB on the whole enchillada and destroyed his face.
  • 1 0
 @tgent: small bottle of pain pills, triangle bandage which has multiple users, small thing of super glue, plastic gloves, antiseptic wipes, finger splint... Quite basic but covers many different situations.
  • 1 0
 @tgent: I am curious as well. I guess gauze and tape would be useful. I asked my doc once about stuff for a real emergency like quickclot and pain killers and she wouldn't give me a prescription because I didn't have proper training to use them.
  • 2 1
 @dthomp325: my kit is literally gauze, tape, a couple bandaids and alcohol swabs. Basically if you need more than that you are in over your head.
I rode with guy who carried a suture kit. I dont care what your qualifications are, nobody is stitching me up in the woods.
  • 2 0
 @RonSauce: Funny enough, my GF's best friend is a PA. She does actual carry a suture kit when out running (ultra runner). She did actually suture herself on a trail run.

I mean, I'm not going to do it. But I guess I can't claim no one will.

I don't personally carry anything because I just can't think of what I would NEED that I could carry. Bandaid? I haven't used one in decades. Pain pills? I used to think they could come in handy until I broke my foot. As I hate taking medication, I never used anything to dull the pain and managed it. Wasn't fun finishing the ride (5 hours or so, but endorphins knocked down most of that pain) and then driving my stick shift car home, but I managed. A splint? I'll use something trail side and rip my shirt into bandage material. Antiseptic? I've never had an infection in all these decades of just waiting until after I finished what I was doing to scrub it out. Sure, it hurts like a motherf*cker in the shower, but, no infection.

Pretty much any scenario I can think of in my head where I would need something, I will call for help. Either a friend or urgent via my inReach. As of yet, I have never needed anything that I couldn't create without some resourcefulness on hand or just bail out.
  • 3 0
 @dthomp325: If you can't use quikclot without getting a prescription and training, I worry for you. Buy quikclot and painkillers from your local pharmacy. Read instructions, use as needed. Some gauze, quikclot, some tape, a triangle bandage and some ibuprofen. And a survival foil blanket. About 200g of safety everyone should carry.
  • 1 0
 For anyone thinking about quikclot (or not carrying any first aid) have you seen the Cedric Gracia video?
vimeo.com/82378717
  • 9 1
 Why aren't people just consuming all their ride snacks and water before heading out like i do? You don't have to worry about carrying them then.

I still ride with a backpack, but it means i have room for a mini-gazebo and jazz mags, which i'd otherwise have to leave at home.
  • 5 1
 this guy gets it hahaha Big Grin

Riding with a pack and not having a gazebo in there pointless
  • 28 20
 Want to uglify your bike, strap a bunch of crap to the frame. Back pack wins again.
  • 32 22
 I’ll take my bike looking a bit ugly over using a shitty back pack every time. Horrible things to ride with
  • 22 9
 @filryan: maybe your fault is getting a shitty backpack

There are plenty of good ones
  • 11 5
 @Upduro: not at all. Got couple really good fitting uswe ones. They don’t shift or bounce. I still use them on alps trips. I just didn’t know how much better is was riding without a bag until the options for putting stuff on the bike started to appear and I tried it.
  • 7 1
 @filryan: completely agree. I've got a great Osprey pack that I swore by for years until I got a pair of bibs and realized that I could carry everything I needed for a few hour ride and stay a lot cooler on my rides. Tube, CO2 and water on my bike with spare if needed in a bib pocket as well as any of the small stuff.
I'll still wear that pack on epic days or cooler weather but after years of swearing packs are the best I tried going packless and really don't want to go back.
  • 4 1
 @lifeofloon: I agree mate. There's nothing I need that I can't fit on bike or in bum bag. Even with my jacket inside the bum bag fits enough food for a full day ride. It fits 4 oranges and a couple of wraps (peanut butter raw oats and mashed up nanna). Enough for me for a full day out. normally with oeft overs.
  • 8 5
 Too many people in backpacks in friady fails... I'll pass on that one.
  • 5 0
 I'd rather ride an ugly bike and be comfortable than worry about fashion.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: ha. Even when wearing a backpack, if we are stopping to film a gap I take it off. I am always watching them go OTB and thinking "aaaahh, there is the backpack".
  • 4 0
 As someone who badly bruised a kidney year ago landing on a rock during a motorcycle endure, I can't imagine sticking multi-tools or CO2 inflators in an unpadded bib short back pocket.
  • 7 2
 This is ridiculous but all I see are Velcro straps attracting dirt that scratch my bike.
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 But it's a mountain bike
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 @VtVolk: I did say it's ridiculous. Still, there are those who just ride their bikes and never give them a second thought which is great for them. I'm kind of jealous actually. But if I drop $2,000-$5,000 on a bike, it gets treated like my car and I try to keep that scratch-free and clean as well. Seems to help come resale time.
  • 2 0
 I would be absolutely disappointed in myself if I rode a mountain bike without a scratch.

I bought an $8500 bike to go full send, not to look pretty.
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: Dang. I've had $8,500 bikes before but not until after someone else'd bought them first to get that depreciation out of the way. Less than half-price was the sweet spot and even then I covered it with Invisiframe. I'm not talented enough to go full send so I have to settle with my bike looking pretty since I sure don't.
  • 6 1
 If you run tyre inserts and carry a tube on your frame then you are a wizard because you can't fix that trail side.
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 Why can't you fix that trailside?
  • 2 0
 @thegoodflow: have you tried to install or remove cush core without the bead dropper on DD tyres/ wire beaded.
  • 1 1
 @wellbastardfast: no I haven't.
  • 2 2
 @wellbastardfast: I've never used inserts, but i've been thinking of trying some... leaning toward Vittoria airliners
  • 2 5
 But, but, but - haha they bought the snake oil inserts, they´ll buy anything to be down with the kids Wink
  • 2 2
 Is wizard a new word for moron or something?
  • 1 0
 I never ran inserts, but serious question. Can't you just pedal out on the flat tire with the inserts anyway?
  • 1 0
 @drpheta: if you're richie rude. In theory yes but it would be a killer depending on how far you have to go.
  • 1 1
 @drpheta: Yes. One of the many benefits of CushCore.
  • 2 0
 You can also ride on the flat tire. Also, I carry a normal Pedros tire lever. But I stopped running Cushcore cause it wasn't worth the weight.
  • 3 1
 I drink enough water that I need a hydration pack on 80% of rides anyway. The other 20%, I'm fine with a small fanny pack. I'd rather attach my ~1lb of tools+tube to my lower back where I don't really notice it, as opposed to an extra pound on my bike that is noticable in handling (most of us can feel the difference of a 1lb lighter frame, all other factors equal).
  • 1 0
 Also, I like to carry some first aid gear as I've seen how quickly things can turn bad (remember Cedric's stick in the leg video?). More reason for me to run a small pack.
  • 3 0
 My bike ready to ride is 40 pounds. Taking 2 pounds off that isn't going to be THAT dramatic that I can feel like.

Also, does your half full water bottle ruin your bikes handling?
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 @JSTootell: ironically, I'm not running a bottle cage on my current 31lb squishy bike (mostly because Ibis designed it to fit a single cage that happens to be $60 LOL) and on my Chromag I don't really care because it's more of a playing-around bike. BUT... Given the option between a full 24oz water bottle on the frame (1.5lb + bottle + cage) or water on my body, I'll carry the water on my body.
  • 2 0
 @pnwpedal: Do what's comfortable.
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 @JSTootell: I agree! It's nice to have options that work for each of us.
  • 2 0
 I was trying to decide between several bikes, and the deciding factor came down to the SWAT storage. I have everything I need for rides up to 2 hours without needing any sort of pack. I hope more companies copy it and somebody releases a version of it on an aluminum frame!
  • 1 0
 Everything damaged for frame. When you take off whatever you taped to your bike you will see what I mean. You can use clear tape to protect under that.
  • 6 1
 Every bike should have SWAT.
  • 2 1
 Straps will slip and scratch/ruin your frame, speaking from experience - electrical tape is cheaper and does no damage.

I have not used anything other than on bike SWAT storage for last 6 months (guess the bike brand Wink ). My morning routine (as the bike was checked the night before) is to dress, fill my single 500ml bottle, and grab my gloves/lid/glasses. Good for 40 mile loops. Packs are hot on the back and restrictive. And Bumbags/Fanny Packs/"Hip Bags" = hell no.
  • 4 1
 40 mile loop with 500ml of water? LOL.
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 @nouseforaname: I carry 3 times as much water for half the distance.
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 @RonSauce: Too much sauce, Ron?
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 @Bustacrimes: I'm a big dude, I use up alot of my internal wetness while riding.
I like that I got downvoted for being thirsty, haha, I've been called worse.
  • 2 1
 Since I installed CushCore, I don't ever need to carry tubes(which also kinda-sorta negates the weight increase of the inserts, but really-not-really).

I was under the impression that the majority of EWS racers run CushCore or inserts. Unless you find a tree stump or boulder shaped like a 30 gallon trash can AND happen to also have a DH metal tire lever on you, you're NOT going to get that damn tire and insert removed and make up for lost time. CushCore allows you to ride a flat and limp to the finish line and then take care of the problem.
  • 1 1
 You still need a tube to deal with tyre splits/tears. You can finish the stage but not the race without one
  • 1 0
 @chrish:

Right. The idea is to finish the stage and not get in anyone's way trying to repair anything trailside. A torn or split tire with CushCore inside is still rideable to at least the finish line.

No one is finishing a multi-stage race with a torn or split tire with a tube in it.

I'm sure a pro racer can source a tire and get one of the dozens of mechanics to install both the tire and insert in between stages.
  • 1 0
 USWE pack for me. It’s humid and hot as balls where I live. No way 1 water bottle will get me by. Back sweat is better than cramps and that pack doesn’t bounce around. Never tried a belt pack or whatever they’re called. Is that the way to go? I do go no pack whenever I can - seasonally...
  • 1 0
 I use a slim belt pack most of the time. I keep my water on the bike. I use a backpack for long distance/questionable weather. I really hate hiking off the trails, so i do carry too much.
  • 2 0
 Bib liners with pockets have been a game changer for me for rides under 3 hours. For rides of more than 3 hours, then I ride with a backpack mainly for water since I live in the desert.
  • 1 0
 I always wonder how people plan on using tubes without sealant as their backup. If I did that where I live you'd have a flat again within 5 pedal strokes. I guess there are parts of the world without cactus, goatheads, and other prickly things that flatten tires.
  • 5 1
 Any info about what sort of Garmin mount is that?
  • 2 14
flag ka81 (May 28, 2020 at 2:40) (Below Threshold)
 You know, there're much more things in the internet, not only garbage instagrams and facebooks..

www.racewaredirect.co/shop/garmin-mount-fot-trek-knock-block


k-edge.com/shop/computer-mounts/garmin-mounts/k-edge-garmin-top-tube-mount
  • 16 1
 @ka81: You know, you can answer people's comments without being a condescending ass..
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flag ka81 (May 28, 2020 at 4:47) (Below Threshold)
 @xvire: you know, you can .. Ahh, nope, you don't know and you definitely can't.
By the way, you're welcome for my help!
  • 3 1
 Where I carry my phone and wallet? Oh there is where hip packs comes in!! And for longer distances/hours here in the desert? Backpacks are the kings!
  • 2 0
 Pockets?
  • 2 2
 Shame not mentioning bag packs..
I was using one with a zipper made exact6 to fit the upper frame hole of my Ibis Mojo HD... I kept so happy with it that I wad able to adapt the same bag with couple zip ties to my next Ripmo... Note a part from tools I can fit my cellular there... really important these days to have a safe space for it? Do I am the only one who broke them?
  • 2 0
 A small frame bag at the bottom of the seat/down tubes for the essentials keeps everything protected from the elements and weight as low as possible. properly mounted with a few wraps of silicone tape = no paint wear.
  • 2 1
 About time more manufacturers pulled the finger out and started adding extra bottle mounts (or similar) for extra storage positions. Can only think of Deviate doing this right now?
  • 1 1
 Transition’s new bikes have them on the underside of the top tube.
  • 1 0
 My Cotic Solaris max has 2 sets on the downtube
  • 2 0
 I believe trek does this.
  • 1 0
 whats a good solution for that top tube mount? Tried Wolf Tooth strap that mounts on but co2 falls out once and a while...
  • 1 0
 @alexsardella: wolftooth makes a bag that goes on to the base, should hold what you need. 0.6 liters so maybe a tad chunky.
  • 3 0
 It's always good to see how others skin a cat. Some days I learn something from it, and other days I don't.
  • 1 1
 While I'll never condemn the use of duct tape, why would you do that on your race bike? You'll never get the tube off the bike quickly. If you use velcro with plugs and CO2 on top, you might be back in the race fast enough to save your top 25 spot and make your sponsors happy.
  • 2 0
 That looks like black vinyl electrical tape, which actually peels off easily enough especially if you leave a small folded-over "tail" at the end of the tape wrap. I did this on an old frame and it held the tube in place for many months without issue.
  • 2 0
 @pnwpedal: Fair enough, but now you have a tube (if the plugs worked) and a dusty bit of tape to stuff in your pocket.
  • 1 0
 @hangdogr: very true. It's a decent short term solution but straps are better in every way (unless you're counting every gram).
  • 4 0
 Add another one to the list: Voile straps.
  • 1 0
 Lovin the Camelbak Lumbar packs. Avid Camelbak user here ( m.u.l.e., Trailblazer, Octane and t.o.r.o.). Regular riding packs work good but can become hot and cumbersome, the Repak LR works superb for what I use it for
  • 2 0
 Do you think someday, maybe 25 years from now, we'll be laughing at how professional racers had to strap stuff to their bike?
  • 3 0
 Duct tape solves everything, except ED. Dont try that one. Just dont.
  • 4 0
 Doesn't do much for VD, either.
  • 3 0
 You forgot handlebar solutions. Like the one from wolftooth
  • 8 8
 For racers, I get it, but the cynic in me feels most normal folks do this for the "look", just take a small pack, these days you can get tiny, very breathable ones for not a lot of money.
  • 15 6
 I do it for a couple reasons
1 I won’t forget anything. Tube, pump, tools are always with the bike
2 I Hate having a full back pack on. I do have a bum bag tho which is less restrictive and comfortable to ride with.
Normal has a bottle on the side with jacket, food inside
  • 2 1
 @filryan: Never forget anything in your pack either...?

Though I do like to go packless for short rides too. When your out in the middle of nowhere you can't beat having full sized tools, wire, duct tape, first aid, knife, flash lights, rain poncho, beanie, hand warmers, face gaitor, emergency snacks/gels, place for the phone, keys, wallet, AND these days surgical gloves and a mask in case I need them on the trail.

Also, probably due to how much junk that's in my pack "if" I put too much water in the bladder it tends to leak and therefore my pack has a built in swamp cooler... Smile
  • 6 0
 @filryan: that's fine if you only have one bike. For me one of the benefits of the pack is that I can't forget to take anything, cos it's all in my pack!
  • 3 1
 @stiingya: Jesus you carry a lot of stuff. To be fair your middle of nowhere prob isn't the same as my middle of nowhere tho. I wouldn't dream of carrying some of that stuff.
  • 2 2
 @peanutcracknell: I do have more than one bike, the stuff is easy to swap over if needed but my other bike is a DH bike. Don't need to carry stuff on an uplift. The Alps is a deff matter.
Don't see point is having anything more than my mega tower for most things.
Road riding is shit, gravel bikes are ridiculous. I may benefit from a hard tail or a lower travel bike buy what's the point. I live the mega tower and it's better at the fun stuff than other bikes. Yes it's hard to smash miles but I smash miles for fitness not for distance therefore I get more benefits from a hard smaller distance ride than an easier longer one.
  • 2 0
 SWAT box and a good bib short... good for a quick rip or a full day epic if you do it right.
  • 2 0
 why the velcro? a rubber ski strap holds tighter so wont rub around and scratch up your teal paint.
  • 1 0
 Came to make that exact comment. People always double take when they see my bright orange BCA ski strap holding my flat kit.
  • 1 0
 It looks like a few of these might have clearance issues when the suspension is compressed. Callaghans shock piggyback and Ottons rear tire make me nervous...
  • 1 0
 What about next saddle bags? I love those things, they generally store a tube, keys and a phone, maybe a lighter and a...well, you get it.
  • 1 0
 I use to carry a spare tube, CO2, levers etc and now I just carry a Stans Dart in my pocket and a pump attached to my bottle cage. I think this will get me out of most flats.
  • 1 0
 @OneUpComponents Is there a reason Joe Barnes is running the EDC stem upside down? Wondering if it stays tight longer tgstcway
  • 2 0
 Time for Cosmic Trail to come back Big Grin
(UK joke)
  • 2 0
 Flashback to my old Raleigh Mustang.......
  • 3 1
 Velcri straps, tapes - why woyld one use it?? All the stuff is in mud ..
  • 2 0
 Taping Snacks to your bike doesn't seem too odd, does it?
  • 3 2
 Is Madeiran soil an American term for dog eggs? Don’t get why you’d call it that though
  • 14 2
 I think it might be soil from Madeira
  • 3 0
 @Ooofff: can't stop laughing at your comment.
  • 2 2
 @Ooofff: no it’s definitely eggs from dogs
  • 1 0
 @alex-young: oh I thought dogs didn’t lay eggs oh well I guess u learn something new everyday
  • 1 0
 @Ooofff: night night
  • 2 0
 Does Damiens not get hit by his tire when the bikes compressed?
  • 2 1
 I hope to see more of Lyne Components Holy Rail www.on-lynecomponents.com/collections/the-holy-rail
  • 1 0
 So, is that just a rip off of the Wolftoofth B Rad system, or is there something unique I'm missing?
  • 2 1
 Shoulda found the NZ enduro R Dog did when he taped a fresh banana to the frame!
  • 2 0
 2016 photo of Eddie = Fresh Prince era Will Smith
  • 2 0
 Was expecting more bananas
  • 1 0
 Nobody strap their tube under the saddle? That's one of the most common place I see on the trails.
  • 3 4
 What about a stem/bar pad... much like what's used on motos with a compartment built into it. Could aid in not coping a metal stem in the chest on oversends also.
  • 2 0
 Yes man. Don’t grt the downvotes. More so if you change your stem height and put spacers on top just to try it out. Those sticking up wanting to brush your teeth....
  • 1 1
 All those Co2 inflateors can we see a test in the bug filled woods bare handed Please.
  • 1 0
 Who burnt you? Specifically the brand that made the cO2 that frost burnt your fingers..

Most come with a latex sleeve of some kind - cant say i have ever had a problem. Touch Wood.
  • 2 0
 @Bustacrimes: Not sure of the make some generic shit the o-ring was defective, but I tryed holding on to get the tire inflated.
I now have a real one and cartridges with sleeves, light weight foam ones they are faster.
  • 1 0
 Do EWS riders not use back protectors?
  • 2 0
 SWAT > *
  • 1 0
 Or they are very nice backpacks...
  • 1 0
 Anyone who what that garmin mount it that is on the top tube?
  • 1 0
 www.racewaredirect.co/shop/garmin-mount-fot-trek-knock-block

Plus people are 3d pringint them for themselves. K Edge does one that you can hack into fitting.
  • 1 0
 No mention of Orbea in this list..
  • 1 1
 Seeing that 98% of my spare tubes go to unprepared Joeys on the trail, I ain't spending $35 on one.
  • 1 0
 They have kangaroos in Canada?
  • 3 2
 I hate COVID!
  • 1 1
 Zoic carbon bib liner... your welcome.
  • 1 2
 Strapping a tube to your frame = how to effectively remove paint in a years time.
  • 2 0
 Meh...same thing happens when I throw my bike down the trail.
  • 1 0
 Thats what 3m scotchgard is for.
  • 1 2
 Damien Oton's Spartan is a 2018, not 2017 in that picture. @Ed Spratt.
  • 1 2
 Everyone talking about how you could just use a backpack are boomers
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