5 Positive COVID Tests Registered at Nove Mesto World Cup [Update: Two Members of Team USA Test Positive]

Oct 5, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
We woke to rain once again but it quickly cleared as the elite women s race approached.


Update: We have learned that Hannah Finchamp racing in Nove Mesto for her trade team Orange Seal Off-Road Team and Pieter Wheymeyer, a soigneur working for the Bear National Team at the event, are two of the five people who have tested positive.

PRESS RELEASE: USA Cycling: USA Cycling has been notified by the UCI that two people planning to travel from the UCI Mountain Bike World Cup event in Nove Mesto, Czech Republic to join the USA Cycling delegation at the UCI World Championships in Leogang, Austria tested positive for COVID-19 during testing at the UCI World Cup event over the weekend. The rider and staff member have both started quarantine at this time.

Hannah Finchamp (Altadena, Calif., Orange Seal Off-Road Team), racing in Nove Mesto for her trade team, tested positive on site and missed Sunday’s race. She traveled to Prague for a second COVID-19 rapid test. The second test was also positive. Finchamp began her quarantine in the Czech Republic immediately following the positive test. USA Cycling is coordinating with her team to have her stay in Prague and quarantine until she is clear to fly following USA Cycling’s COVID policy. Despite the positive test, Hannah is feeling well and has only experienced minimal symptoms.

Pieter Wheymeyer, a soigneur working for the Bear National Team at the event, tested positive. He immediately returned to his home in Kitzbuhel, Austria on Sunday and reported to the Austrian Health officials that he tested positive.

USA Cycling has been in contact with the Austrian Health Organization to provide names, dates of birth, and contact information for the athletes and staff that were in the same group at the World Cup where the positive tests resulted.

Before leaving Nove Mesto, members of Team USA were tested. All test results came back negative. USA Cycling has spoken with UCI officials and will have that delegation re-tested once they arrive in Austria.

Statement: Hannah Finchamp

"I am devastated to find myself here, in this position. On Saturday, I tested Positive for the Covid-19 virus. It still feels shocking and heartbreaking to say those words. Since the Pandemic started in March, I have exercised an abundance of caution. I have self-quarantined at home, worn masks at all times in public, minimized trips to the grocery store to every 2 weeks to limit exposure, and in fact, Clayton and I recently postponed our wedding an entire year out of an abundance of caution. Prior to flying to Europe, I completed 3 negative PCR COVID-19 tests in staggered intervals to ensure that I would not be bringing anything with me. Once I arrived in Europe I also tested negative for the virus."

Hannah will be quarantining in the Czech Republic until further notice under the care of the Team USA Doctor and will not be traveling to Austria to compete in the 2020 World Championships.



The UCI has stepped up its testing protocol in Leogang after 5 positive COVID-19 tests were registered at the Nove Mesto World Cup.

Testing was carried out on Saturday morning in Nove Mesto and it currently isn't known who has tested positive or whether they were riders or other staff. The UCI is apparently satisfied that appropriate measures were taken following the positive tests but will still test everyone that has come from Nove Mesto today at the request of the Austrian authorities. The mandatory tests are in addition to the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test that is required to enter the Leogang bubble and failure to take one will result in loss of accreditation and subsequent removal from the event.

The UCI's full statement is below:


Press Release: UCI

Following the COVID-19 tests that were taken in Nove Mesto at the UCI XCO World Cup on Saturday morning, 2nd October, we have been notified that 5 tests have been returned positive.

The individuals concerned were informed by the Austrian testing agency and subsequently we have contacted the relevant teams/national federations concerned to understand their current situation and the measures taken since notification of the test result.

Whilst we are satisfied that appropriate measures have been taken, due to the fact that positive cases have been identified at the event, the Austrian authorities in conjunction with the organizing committee in Leogang have requested an additional test be taken on-site in Leogang for all persons who were present in Nove Mesto.

The test will be a “quick test” with an immediate result and will be entirely funded by the Leogang organisers. There will not be a charge to the individual being tested. This “quick test” does not replace the required negative PCR test. These tests are mandatory if you have been on the list from Nove Mesto, and failure to take one will result in loss of accreditation and subsequent removal from the event.

We appreciate the inconvenience to you to take this extra test but to satisfy the Austrian authorities that everything is being done to maximize the health of all those present and travelling between countries, and to safeguard the event, we hope you understand the importance and we thank you very much for your cooperation.

These tests will be carried out on Monday 5th and Tuesday 6th October between 15:00 – 19:00, please follow signage.

Each National Federation/nationality has a time slot on both days, please respect it where possible to try to reduce waiting time:
15:00 – 16:00. AND, ARG, AUS, AUT, BEL, BRA, BIH, BUL, CAN, CHI, COL, CRO.
16:00 – 17:00. CRC, CZE, DEN, ESP, EST, FIN, FRA, GBR, GER, GRE, HUN, IRE.
17:00 – 18:00. ISL, ISR, ITA, JPN, LAT, LES, LTU, LUX, MEX, NAM, NED, NZL.
18:00 – 19:00. POL, POR, ROU, RUS, RSA, SLO, SRB, SUI, SVK, SWE, UKR, USA.

We commend the UCI and organisers in Leogang on their robust response to the potential infection. We wish a quick recovery to the individuals affected.

A note on the comments

COVID-19 is a serious global health risk, and while we don't want to limit the conversation we're going to actively remove disinformation and suspend people who continue to post it.


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194 Comments

  • 168 15
 At least they can go for a drive by to wave at their fans !
  • 5 3
 Don't forget the pizzas.
  • 15 0
 Or to test their eyes
  • 25 58
flag SmashySmashy (Oct 5, 2020 at 7:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Matt115lamb: And while their at it reassure the citizens, minimise speculation on behalf on a biased, scornful media and quell potential panic among the masses and markets? No biggy.
  • 28 13
 @SmashySmashy: I am a dem but I totally see the utility of taking the dude out for a ride.

As you said, it is more than a political thing, markets really like US presidents being alive
  • 18 11
 @brytar: Good on you dude. The world would be a far more tolerable place if more people could draw reasonable conclusions like you. Tolerant too probably.
  • 19 8
 @SmashySmashy: Yeah, good on you for being cool about this. I vote we lock a few tested negative in airtight vehicles with the positive cases too - you know, to send a good message about how responsible UCI is and how they've learned from their constant downplaying of the pandemic.
  • 32 8
 @brytar: Taking adequate precautions would likely have prevented a need for a dog and pony show driving around in an SUV possibly infecting others.


But I am not a Dem.
  • 7 9
 @JSTootell: Also a fair point. But he caught it, and without speculating on how it happened maybe more people who previously weren't taking adaquate precautions might be more inclined to better protect themselves.
  • 2 1
 gold Jerry
  • 2 2
 The media (depending on your leanings) told me that both trump is cured and has died of Covid.
  • 21 12
 @SmashySmashy: Given his behavior it was a statistical probability he'd catch it, and I don't understand how they didn't understand that. We need brighter folks running the country, that's for sure! Sorry, but Trumpublicans are pretty much all low-iQ(anon).
  • 7 4
 @davec113: Yes, 30% of the county believes that Hillary Clinton eats young children in a pedophile ring she runs.

Who is the conspiracy theorist here again lol?
  • 5 4
 @JSTootell: im sure we'll all catch it eventually...treatments may differ. Most diseases are not curable.
  • 8 0
 @pistol2ne:

Like George Carlin said - the Average Person is pretty stupid and 50% of the population are more stupid than that.

Scary.
  • 10 7
 @davec113: Trumpublicans are all low-IQ, deplorable conspiracy threorists and the left is dominated by NPCs that can't critically evaluate what they're being told, formulate an original idea or meme. It's no use being smart if you don't actually engage your god-given grey matter. In saying that, we're only human, and the Trump administration is criticsed regardless of what they do.
Instead of insulting the opposition why don't you try listening to them? Or better yet weigh up what your told by talking heads and the Dems with the same skepticism you would a republican. Bring that vocabulary and superior intelligence to bear on your team, and see if their ideas pass muster.
  • 9 5
 @SmashySmashy: Half the Trumpublicans think Hillary runs a pedo cult that eats children and the other half think they're going to get raptured up into heaven because of Trump. I like to think I have an open mind, but c'mon... really?
  • 6 7
 @davec113: Wow, the first sentence of my reply to was (supposed to be) a joke! But you're really leaning into it, aren't you?
You should really go out and talk to people, because you haven't a f¥€king clue what you're talking about.
  • 5 5
 @davec113: I think trump has been an absolute abomination of a president but it’s views like that which will see him slip into office again.

Just like with Brexit here in the UK, though I absolutely disagree with it being a good idea, assuming all that voted for it are dumb, racist, bigoted or out for corrupt financial gain is plain wrong, the numbers that voted prove that - I lost that one, I hope you guys don’t lose again.
  • 2 1
 @SmashySmashy: That was supped to be (partially) a joke too... I don't literally think that.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: So people are going to vote for Trump to spite some dude on the internet? Lol, yeah that's about as stupid as it gets!
  • 6 2
 @davec113: More like to spite the 62 million people who believe they're stupid, while simultaneously ignoring (or being completely ignorant of) the glaring faults, dangers and hyprocracies of their own party's proposals and positions.
  • 5 1
 @davec113: no, maybe I didn’t put that across as well as I should.

Some will vote a certain way in direct opposition to those constantly telling them they are something - such as racist, stupid etc for having views that may not align with theirs and may align with some of trumps policies. It isn’t so much spite (though in some cases it will be) - it’s the whole ‘deplorable life effect.

‘the left’ if you want to put it that way (inc myself, though I think I’m more centrist realistically) have lost bigly lately - the tactic of telling those on the other side how stupid they are isn’t working - remember a lot of people voted trump last time, though some will be racists, dumb etc etc it won’t even be close to all of them.

Let’s hope the left of the USA isn’t ‘sleepwalking’ into another trump victory on a cloud of their own superiority complex.
  • 9 5
 @SmashySmashy: Don't even try to equate one with the other. You are spewing ridiculous BS... nobody is saying Biden or the dems are perfect, and I'm an independent, but at least Biden isn't a narcissistic sociopath that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. At least he believes masks work. At least he didn't raw dog a porno star when his wife was pregnant, at least he doesn't grab women by the pu$$y, at least he isn't an unindicted co-conspirator who would be in prison if he wasn't elected president, at least he... well maybe you get the point, but I have my doubts.
  • 6 4
 @davec113: listen to @justanotherusername:. Add to what he says the fact that the Dems are activist-appeasing political chameleons(even if it hurts voters); the party of slavery and dis-enfranchisement that only hold a core philosophy as long as it wins them elections, not unlike Trump (a former democrat himself). Say what you like about the Republicans, they hold certain values consistently whether it wins them elections or not.
  • 4 3
 @SmashySmashy: But I don't like their phony Christian Family 'values'. Consistency is not a virtue if you are consistently lame.
  • 7 5
 @endlessblockades: I don't like Gwin's phoney Christian values either, but you have to admit many religions contribute positively to people's lives, and those that apply appropriate family values do tend to lead to better outcomes for their children, and by extension our wider society. By and large when these things become a problem it tends to be because of too little, or too much of them in a person's life.
  • 5 5
 @SmashySmashy: republicans were the old democrats so done come out with that “ democrats for slavery garbage !
  • 3 5
 @SmashySmashy: Why do you think you know anything about the US? Seriously, you should f$%k off and take your idiot opinions and lies with you.
  • 1 1
 @SmashySmashy: oh, so you know Gwin personally?
  • 4 4
 @Matt115lamb: The democratic party proudly holds claim to being the oldest political party in the world. The republican party was formed almost 30 years later to oppose expanding slavery in the US. How exactly are the republicans the 'old democrats'? (And don't give me the Democratic-Republican party schpiele, it doesn't apply: A shared history doesn't mean a reversal of philosophies)
@davec113: What makes you think I know nothing? Point out what you find so off with what I said that made you cry and we can discuss it.
@preach: Do I have to know a public personality personally before I can form an opinion of them? Because I'd hate to have to tell the internet they can't say mean things about Donald Trump anymore...
  • 2 3
 @brytar: his security team didn’t think it was such a good idea. Especially as now all of them are stuck in quarantine and have potentially being infected by a serious illness
  • 2 4
 @CustardCountry: But the markets clearly responded positively. For example, oil was up more than 5% yesterday after his appearance. His security team might not like it, but they'd like it even less if they didn't get paid (or even have a job) because the economy couldn't afford them.
  • 4 1
 @SmashySmashy: you are correct however both parties aren’t what they were then now . Early democrats were conservatives . They are far from the original democrats now , they should both rename so to stop this confusion !
  • 3 2
 @Matt115lamb: That's not exactly accurate. Political parties don't exist in a bubble- they are subject to the forces of the world, not least of all their political opposition, and they're positions can change in response to major events. The Dems were for limited government and individual liberty early on, but the war of independence was still a relatively recent memory, and their origins were in the Democratic-Republican party, which will have influenced it's members early on, before they formed an ideological position of their own (or at least, they should have).

My main issue with the Dems and the left is that they seem so hell-bent on winning and achieving power. They attack the 'core values' of republicans (for lack of a better term) from any angle they think will work, which in turn means they themselves don't really have any core values. Nothing grounds them, not even basic human decency (and I mean that; I have plenty of examples of actual disgusting behavior that turned me off the Dems for life) so they have no point of reference to assess whether a new position is good or bad, or what the risks and consequences are; Any and all subjects are on the table so long as their end goal is satisfied. This is why they so often have inconsistent ideological positions, invariably end up contradicting their own earlier claims and plans and probably most dangerous of all, means they will skirt violent fringe groups (or outright align with and empower them) as they search out new ways to get one over on the opposition. I'm not intentionally invoking Godwin's Law, but it's alarming how similar the current rhetoric of the Dems is to that of 'certain politicians' from 1930's Germany, and how little they're doing to prevent the violence and destruction that is afflicting the very communities they claim they stand in solidarity with and are helping the most.

To put it another way, the Dems are not the party of the political left (which does have some valuable and interesting ideas). They're a party that works for themselves who happen to align with the left because the party of the right stand in the way of their ambition for power.
  • 5 1
 @SmashySmashy: I’m no expert mate but aren’t all political parties hellbent on winning, just look at trump , he’ll say whatever to get votes !
  • 2 1
 @Matt115lamb: Well, Trump is a former Democrat (big donor, HUGE! The bigglyest). Winning by presenting your ideals and plans in the best possible light is one thing (That is politics in a nutshell afterall.) Winning by constantly changing them is another, far more dangerous and destructive tactic though.
  • 2 0
 @SmashySmashy: tell that to SUPERTRUMP !
  • 2 0
 @pistol2ne: she 100% drinks their blood
  • 40 0
 Hope everyone who has it makes a full recovery.
  • 10 16
flag dualcrownscottspark (Oct 5, 2020 at 5:55) (Below Threshold)
 @ricochetrabbit: Many have changes in the structure of their hearts though. I’m hoping jolanda is not one of these 5 people because of that.
  • 20 22
 @ricochetrabbit: Are these stats from Trump? 1,037M deaths in 35.179M cases worldwide equates to a 97.05% recovery rate. Mortality rate is then nearly 15x what you have suggested.
  • 26 55
flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 6:09) (Below Threshold)
 Nah. Our own CDC. Look at the age range dummy. Maybe I should have been more specific. 99.8% survive under the age of 60. It decreases to 97% over 60 with additional health issues. @anthonywelch:
  • 33 8
 @ricochetrabbit: The case fatality rate is at around 2% globally, the Infection fatality rate may be lower but it is still speculation. This is dreadfully high for an infectious disease with zero immunity in the population, what more some percent does not make a full recovery. I personally know a ~30 yo physician who still has no sense of smell after getting the disease in April. Older people end up with more complications, we still do not know the full risks. Please don't spread miss information, read up on the science first.
  • 20 5
 @ricochetrabbit: The .2% is death rate, not long term last effects. idk if I would consider chronic fatigue syndrome a full recovery.
  • 40 38
 @anthonywelch: 97.95% recovery rate? Holy crap! Just get in the coffin now!

His numbers might be wrong technically, but if you had something like cancer, and the doctor told you your chance of recovery was 97.95 percent, I think you would be pretty confident and feeling good about recovery.

Then factor in that more than 50 percent of those 2.05 percent of those who have died are over the age of 80, and that people in their 20s have accounted for less than a percent of those deaths despite reporting the highest incidence of infection, then you have to feel pretty good about the chances of an elite athlete in their 20s. It sucks that they got sick, and I don’t wish it on anyone, but they shall be fine.
  • 10 21
flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 6:54) (Below Threshold)
 Well said @TheR:
  • 31 7
 @TheR: Cancer isn't contagious
  • 27 10
 @Tmackstab: Yeah, because we were talking about death rate, not rate of infection. You moved the goalposts.

But consider this, the death rate has declined even as infection rate has gone up. In May, the death rate among positives in the US was 6 percent. It is now below 3 percent. Why is that? One possible explanation is that we are getting better at treating it, another is that as we get better at finding and identifying more people who have the disease — many of whom were asymptomatic, or had milder cases in the past. The more positive cases we are finding, the more we are finding that it’s not nearly as deadly as we thought in May. Despite spikes in cases, the death rate has remained flat since June.



@ricochetrabbit: and I shall be downvoted to infinity by people who very often like to recite the mantra, “believe in science,” who in this case will ignore the cold, hard data.
  • 12 32
flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 7:20) (Below Threshold)
 I learned the hard way that 80% of pinkbike are liberals. I was shocked @TheR:
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 @TheR: Well, you've no idea if they will be fine, but yes the chances of them dying is significantly reduced. However, the long term effects are still not yet fully understood, so while they may avoid death there could be some medium or long term health problems due to it.

While agreeing with the foundation of your argument, I find the tone of the argument quite dismissive of what can be a significantly debilitating disease. The UK today has confirmed that people under 50 are unlikely to get "the" vaccine any time soon, due to the reduced risk to them, however that of course doesn't distract from the serious nature of the virus and how vigilant we must remain to protect as many peoples health & lives as possible.
  • 33 1
 @ricochetrabbit: I don't get this with American politics, which I follow on and off. There's no reason to draw political lines in discussion or action to a virus...
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flag TheR (Oct 5, 2020 at 7:40) (Below Threshold)
 @Sirweste: You’re right. I can’t say with 100 percent certainty that they will be fine. I can only say that they will be fine with 97.95 percent certainty that they will be fine, or in the case of their age demographic, that they will be fine with 99 percent certainty. Geez, do you have a million dollars I can wager on that? As close to a sure bet as you can get.

I’m not trying to be flippant, but people’s’ understanding of stats and estimating the actual danger and putting it in perspective is horrendous.
  • 6 1
 @Sirweste: There’s no guarantee there will ever be a vaccine. It could take months, years or decades.
  • 12 2
 @TheR: I agree with everything you say. Though I think rather than "they will be fine" you mean "they will not die". Which are quite different things. People only seem to discuss Covid in a binary sense, you die or don't, which doesn't give the credit (not the right word to use) to the people now suffering with medium term effects post "recovery".

I agree with the lack of guarantee for a vaccine, hence my quoation marks around "the". I would be surprised if one is not found though. Typically with these things it's resource that's the issue, if something is impacting economies then it's going to (and is) get the resources required.
  • 2 3
 @Sirweste: All right, I get where you are coming from. I have read about possible further complications down the line, but I haven’t seen anything beyond a report here and there. I haven’t seen enough in the way of stats to follow any trends. If any exist, I’m open to looking at them and seeing what they indicate. I’d still say that given these people’s’ age and level of fitness, they will be fine, but you’re right, I can’t say that with 100 percent certainty.
  • 4 5
 Everything is political. Everything. @Sirweste:
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 @TheR: Yeah I'd agree that young fit athletes are in a good position to deal with an illness, however it may not be the best position as there's links between physical exertion and susceptibility to virus's. I know when I've done big races I've almost always been sick as out afterwards with a cold.

As for them not being the ones who suffer with long / medium term effects, I'm not as sure as you are, at the moment I see the theories that the quantity of the initial infection appears to be a contributor to how badly the person will suffer. And with the different post effects not understood I wouldn't be able to draw a reasonable conclusion that a certain group wouldn't be affected - I've not seen the data, or don't believe there is data on this yet with which to draw such a conclusion.

As an example of 'after effects'
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/15/fears-covid-may-leave-thousands-in-uk-with-severe-kidney-disease-long-term-effects-coronavirus
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 @ricochetrabbit: You'll see that I said "there's no reason to draw political lines..", I personally don't find them constructive.
Your comment "I learned the hard way that 80% of pinkbike are liberals" added zero to the discussion. Unless of course you were simply hoping to get a reaction out of people, then you will perhaps believe you have been mildly successful.
  • 7 4
 The death rate globally and in the US is around ~3%, and that’s before you factor in any long term damage or complications that we know very little about right now.

If you can’t take that threat seriously then I don’t know what to tell you.
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flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 8:47) (Below Threshold)
 No. I literally meant exactly what I said. 80% of pinkbike are liberals. Liberals approach with this Covid is drastically different than a conservatives. @Sirweste:
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flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 8:48) (Below Threshold)
 You claim we know soo little yet out the other side of your mouths you claim you know soo much and what’s effective and what’s not etc @wilbersk:
  • 11 1
 @ricochetrabbit: the only person here pointing fingers, saying left versus right, is you. you complain about divisiveness while you're the one who wants people to argue.
  • 1 9
flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 9:01) (Below Threshold)
 I don’t want anyone to argue. I do t think there is even anything to argue about. @cuban-b:
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flag jclnv (Oct 5, 2020 at 9:20) (Below Threshold)
 @Sirweste: Please don’t post these pseudo science ‘may have’ side effect crap. I know you’ve been hammered by propaganda in the UK but nobody has come even close to a large enough sample size for a long term effects study. It’s far more likely the people diagnosed post recovery had issues pre contracting C19.
  • 7 0
 @jclnv: But an effect manifesting itself after, potentially linked to C19, is an effect. Of course there needs to be a long term study, but with not a long enough term to study its important that people realize it is not a simply a death or no effect situation. I certainly wont be drawing any conclusions until we have more data, but you are insinuating that there is primarily the possibility of post recovery effects because of preexisting conditions. Why are you speculating that without any concrete data from long term studies?
  • 8 1
 If I walked by any of you on the street and offered you an item that offers you no benefit but has a .00001% chance of killing you would you accept it?
  • 12 2
 @cuban-b: Just for some context, @richochetrabbit is from Florida and has his profile picture as Trump 2020, not political at all lol. So I am not sure evidence, logic, or much of anything is getting though to this bloke.
  • 4 12
flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 9:36) (Below Threshold)
 Actually I’m from Pennsylvania and I live in Florida during the winter. And no I’m not 70. I’m 37. Secondly, would you say that if I had a Biden2020 profile pic? No you wouldn’t. Because you yourself are partisan. @kokofosho:
  • 4 1
 @jclnv: @jclnv: Hammered by propaganda!?!?!!?? We have had one of the worst responses to the pandemic, so I've taken it serious and tend to read up on things - typically from validated sources.

I agree with one of your points, it is exactly as I said, the data to draw conclusions of after effects of Covid aren't available, or at least i'm not aware of them.

How on earth have you arrived at the conclusion that it's more likely people had diagnosed conditions rather than complications from a pretty damn serious disease!?
  • 6 0
 @ricochetrabbit: You said: "Liberals approach with this Covid is drastically different than a conservatives". As I said, there's no reason for politics to play a factor in this. The approach should be the same, everyone should do their bit, social distance as much as possible without totally destroying economies (and costing people more health / lives), people should wear masks and wash hands as much as possible. Simples.

So far in this thread there's only been yourself that's brought political divides into things, I've no idea why you felt the need to, other than to start arguments.
  • 5 0
 @ricochetrabbit: ya actually I would say that, because the door swings both ways bru. That is how it works. I did not assume your age. Ignorance has no age minimum or maximum.
  • 5 4
 @Sirweste: Due to the sample size. You can’t make assumptions of organ damage without a large test sample. Athletes who contracted the virus have his the same VO2 max numbers post recovery. It’s like early on when people were dying in Northern Italy. Turns out 88% had existing morbidity due to high rates of smoking and liver damage from alcohol.

How do you think the institutional narrative would spin the results from autopsies on those people?

BTW I don’t think the UK has had a worse or better response than most other countries. The difference is you have an elderly population (and corresponding higher mortality rate) and an insane media/government propaganda machine that constantly leads you to believe the sky is falling.
  • 3 13
flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 9:48) (Below Threshold)
 You’re full of shit. You said it because you have a phony, pre conceived notion that anyone who supports trump is a moron. That’s why you said it. And I mentioned my age because most people who live part time in Florida are old. @kokofosho:
  • 3 1
 @kokofosho: I’m agnostic. However, postulating effect causality is fear mongering pseudo science.
  • 7 1
 Regardless of your point of view on how covid should be handled and your political beliefs, anyone who thinks that they truly are in the right with regards to their opinion on the true outcomes of covid is full of shit. The data is poor, incomplete, non standardized, etc
  • 5 0
 @jclnv: Yes I agree pal, but I feel like you're making statements about assumptions I haven't made. I never stated anything with certainty. I simply said there are potential long / medium term effects which are not yet understood. This disease totally smashes young healthy people, so I'm not surprised it kills older 'weaker' ones. Thus I can imagine that it's likely the people that do make it will have some longer lasting problems from it.
I've not read enough on it at this point to state anything more than that.

You may not think the UK response has been better or worse, but it has been worse. We were repeatedly told we were 2 weeks ahead of Italy, yet 'we' did nothing but waited. Oh to be NZ.
Your other statement is false, you've insinuated the UK pop is older than most, it isn't.
I don't believe the sky is falling either, nor, seemingly do most people here; as folks are going around mostly as normal. Curious you arrived a this conclusion; assuming you're in Canada.
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 @onlyDH: Fairly generalised statement that. A lot of the data gathered isn't poor and some very good studies have been done.
But yes, with so many uncertainties it's hard to voice an opinion without several caveats. Other than, folks should social distance, wash hands and wear masks as much as possible - simply because it's not a big deal to and it has been shown to be beneficial and to protect other peoples health
  • 6 0
 @ricochetrabbit: you keep trying to drive a wedge and divide people - it's not working LOL. I wish you good mental health my fellow mtber
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 @jclnv: Yeah, I think "long haul" C19 is most likely just a by-product of the human tendency - particularly among the more neurotic - to reinforce that which they've intensely invested. As the disease looks less and less scary, long haul corona is a kind of catch all to allow people to cling to their fears ("well, even if it's not that big of a deal at present, I might have to worry about heart problems 5 years from now").

For one, a severe case of C19 - which, for example, results in double pneumonia - is no different than a severe case of influenza that results in pneumonia. Pneumonia is serious and can damage lungs and other things, causing long term problems for people. That's true now. It was true pre C19. It's true no matter how you get pneumonia (C19 or otherwise). In other words, C19 is not unique in this respect.

What is unique, is that we are obsessively monitoring C19 and our overall sense of fear is dramatically escalated re C19. The same was not true pre C19. So, we didn't obsessively follow every tragic tale of say a 30 year old who died of the flu in 2017. Incidentally, go look up the stats in the US for number of fatalities in age range 30-40 during the 2017/18 flu season. Had we had wall to wall coverage of each one of those deaths, we'd think it was the Spanish flu all over again.

That's probably what's taking place here, combined with the "need" for C19 to be as bad as we're invested in it being. Every post C19 health issue, real or imagined, is being branded as possible "long haul" covid precisely because we're all in. We're invested in this. Covid, in many ways, has to be the plague. If it's not, then all the sacrifice, fear, and anxiety caused will be for naught. This is not dissimilar to, for example, what goes on with Lyme disease.

Obviously, Lyme has nowhere near as much fear surrounding it (not much does at this point), but pre C19, and relative to other diseases, there's certainly escalated fear surrounding it. This has created tension between the medical community and Lyme patients. Many Lyme patients swear, up and down, that there is such a thing as "Chronic Lyme Disease". But, most in the medical community reject this - claiming that the elevated fear of Lyme, leads to exaggerated associations of post recovery medical, mental, and other issues with Lyme.

I suspect the world's hypochondriacs are going to annoying the hell out of their doctors for the next decade or so over C19.
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 @burnermtb: Your one of quite a few posting in this thread about the "fear". Genuinely folk over here in the UK and what Iv'e seen in Spain and Portugal, really ain't that fussed about it. Carrying on almost as before, but just social distancing and mask wearing. Don't really get the whole fear argument, implies people are trying to control others through irrational fear. That's certainly not what the gov or broadsheet papers are doing over here, they are pretty pragmatic about the whole thing.

And to add: it certainly is a big deal, the disease properly batters people, I'd right rather not get it and go through it if I can. Expect that if I were to get it then I'd likely live through it and hopefully not have any lasting effects. Young or old it's a right shite thing to get through, but just like many others, carrying on as the new normal is and hoping I don't get it
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 I get tested weekly because it's free and easy where I live (drive-through, no waiting and same-day results). I enjoy the intimacy of the probing and get to have a different partner each time.
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 @ricochetrabbit: It's not that you know so little, it's that you come to absurd conclusions given the data, conclusions that the GOP tell you to have. You're a bunch of brainwashed idiots.
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 @TheR: it could be career ending for an elite athlete regardless of their age.
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 @wilbersk: the cfr is, not the ifr. The ifr as per the CDC for the age range of 19 - 40 is .02%
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 @davec113: I think we need to show some empathy. These people have been marginalized by the coasts, everyone telling them they’re uneducated idiots and have nothing to offer, can’t compete in civilized society, so it’s up to us to recognize that and tell them it’s all going to be alright. We need to all get along so let’s show them some sympathy. We’re all on the same team at the end of the day.
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 @Tmackstab: ofcourse not, but with an ifr of .02% for 19 to 40 year olds (as per CDC) its the same as the flu (it’s much worse that the flu for >50 year olds). If these same athletes got the flu, do you think people would be concerned about them dying ?
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 @cuban-b: In person yes, but in general the hundreds of thousands of dead Americans + now the national leadership is sick simply because they are stupid... we need to call a spade a spade but on an individual level I feel great compassion for those who have been brainwashed.
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 @davec113: oh I totally agree with you. I just try to look at it from their perspective - imagine being part of a group who’s being persecuted for their perceived lack of education and values, and anytime they went to a coastal state, people look at them funny and call them names. It’s gotta be tough going through that when historically this was never the case. I can see why they’d be upset with “city slickers”.
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 Exactly why I decided to move to southwest Florida rather than the east coast of Florida where all the reprobates from the northeast typically move to. @cuban-b:
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 @ricochetrabbit: one thing I always admired about southern states is your ability to pick yourselves up by the bootstraps, not complain, adapt to change, and be respected community members as a result of these traits.
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 I’m not from the south...I was born on Long Island and raised in northeast Pennsylvania...moved to Florida a few years ago. But very kind words! @cuban-b:
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 Let’s hope none of the riders that felt sick but decided to race anyway are among the people who tested positive …
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 frankly, I was quite surprised to read about several athletes racing while being sick on social media. While this is definitely not healthy reagardless of covid, I was hoping people are concious enough nowadays to isolate themselves if they have covid-like symptoms (at least until getting a test result)...
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 @andreas2634: That is a truly weird thing to do. Racing or training hard while sick is pretty dangerous and can easily ruin someone’s season if not their entire career.
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 bound to happen
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 Sadly, yes.
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flag yupstate (Oct 5, 2020 at 7:05) (Below Threshold)
 @shwinn8 Yep, now and forever as long as we test and focus on it. Not going down the road of online-battling of whether we should or we shouldn't. But the fact is, COVID will be here forever and if we test and report on every case, this is what we'll be reading about.
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 @yupstate: I’d rather read about lab tests than funerals.
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 @Ttimer: Drama
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 This was entirely predictable
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 With the amount of people racing/involved with the event, it was nearly a guarantee
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 We should all just hide under our beds forever. Problem solved. @kleinblake:
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 @ricochetrabbit: Yes, if we hide under our beds for a month the problem will be solved.
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flag ricochetrabbit (Oct 5, 2020 at 6:29) (Below Threshold)
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flag jclnv (Oct 5, 2020 at 9:27) (Below Threshold)
 @dualcrownscottspark: Where do you think the virus is going? If you isolate you don’t develop T-Cell immunity from other corona viruses and you get hammered from the common cold. Let alone C19.

Why do you think Sweden has a lower per capita fatality rate than many other countries. Isolations/lockdowns are junk science.
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 @jclnv: they do help slow the spread, but I think what’s actually happening in Sweden is that the virus is mutating into a less deadly one, and that is what I think will need to happen if a vaccine isn’t possible or doesn’t work.
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 @dualcrownscottspark: yes, totally worked in Italy, Spain, etc...
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 @dualcrownscottspark: The only benefit of slowing the spread is to prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed, which in the vast majority of countries, they weren’t.

What actually needs to happen is 20% of people need to get the virus. Hopefully they are young and healthy and easily able to fight it. By prolonging the virus with lockdowns, distancing etc, it just allows the virus to be spread to vulnerable people.
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 @jclnv: I'm glad you're not in charge of public policy.
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 @Afterschoolsports: You’re just typically clueless about the biological facts of viruses.
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 @jclnv: The ironic thing is, you've just described yourself perfectly. Enjoy your chicken pox party, I won't be joining you.
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 @jclnv: That is not how this virus works. Current state of research indicates that there is hardly any cross-immunity from common corona viruses.
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 @Ttimer: It’s possible/probable.

“On the basis of these data, it is plausible to hypothesize that preexisting cross-reactive HCoV CD4+ T cell memory in some donors could be a contributing factor to variations in COVID-19 patient disease outcomes”

science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6512/89
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 @Afterschoolsports: Another intelligent reply.

Let me ask you this for my amusement. Do you think the virus is going to be around next year? How long are you going to socially distance/wear a mask etc? Do you think there is only one CDC/WHO scientific opinion on a response? How do you explain the numbers from Sweden and the Diamond Princess?

Looking forward to your contradictory nonsense.
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 @jclnv: interesting. The study from your link appears to arrive at results which differ from another recent, well made study:
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.15.20188896v1

Seems like the issue is still up in the air and we should refrain from conclusions about cross immunity. Especially because T cell response is not the same as immunity.
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 @Ttimer: Agreed. As little is known we should ideally adopt the Swedish model and protect independent businesses and get back to scheduled cancer etc screenings that are likely to kill a significantly larger amount of people over the next five years. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem compatible with the institutional narrative.
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 @jclnv: What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that the best chance for carrying on in a somewhat normal way is to get the virus under control. You won't get older people, the ones who need it, to go to the hospital and get screened for cancer if they fear catching covid there. You won't get tourism or entertainment back running if covid is circulating freely because people don't want to go.
I live in Germany, we have resumed regular medical procedures, the opera is performing again, schools are open, I go to the office every day, life is relatively normal. That is because we have the virus kinda under control and it would not be possible otherwise.
You are citing Swedens approach, without reflecting on what allows Sweden to actually do what they do. That country is very different from Northern Italy, the UK or the US in terms of social dynamics.
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 @Ttimer: How do you know Germany has the virus “under control” (BTW humans have never been able to ‘control’ a Corona virus) if up to 80% are asymptomatic, PCR testing is unreliable and only a small percentage of the population has been tested?
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 This is almost as bad as being in the American government...
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flag tahoecary (Oct 5, 2020 at 8:29) (Below Threshold)
 show some class... terrible thing to say... maybe you should move if it's so bad...
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 @tahoecary: Why's it a bad thing to say? It's our country, and it's built on change. So why should people who disagree with what's going on in the government move? If the government was doing something you disagree with would you want it to stay the way it is? Or would you just move and ignore the people that are being hurt by it?
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 @dualcrownscottspark: the ironic part is that tahoecary probably isn’t welcoming to immigrants or refugees coming to our country, but tells Americans to leave if they don’t like it in their country. Haha
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 @tahoecary: "show some class... (continues to say the least classy thing)" lol classic
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 @tahoecary: If there's any nice Canadian girls out there who would be down to help me that whole immigration thing go ahead and slide into my dms
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 @tahoecary: So you follow up what you think is a terrible thing to say with what is in reality a terrible thing to say. Lol...
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flag lobohusky (Oct 5, 2020 at 22:59) (Below Threshold)
 @davec113 @cuban-b: If you guys think "maybe you should move if it's so bad" is a terrible thing to say, I'd recommend staying out of Portland for a while, lest your ears bleed from the things said to the police for the past 100+ days.
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 @lobohusky: I guess the cops can go get new jobs if it's so bad right?
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 @lobohusky: it must drive you nuts that people can simultaneously support racial justice AND safety for law enforcement officers.
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 @tahoecary: I swore an oath three times to this country. I don't feel like leaving just yet.
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 @JSTootell: the “Shut up and never say anything critical of the government and our supreme leader” crowd are the people who actually scare me.
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 So they did a PCR test prior to arrival and were also tested on Saturday? Did all racers test negative prior to arrival and then 5 tested positive on their test on Saturday? Or did they not test anyone until Saturday?
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 Depends how much amplifier they use in the test. If you use enough you can find numerous legacy viruses in our bodies. After all, there are trillions of them.
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 This is why sports were cancelled
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 "We appreciate the inconvenience to you..." is an interesting way to word it.
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 Appreciate
/əˈpriːʃɪeɪt,əˈpriːsɪeɪt/
verb
...
2. Understand (a situation) fully; grasp the full implications of.
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 www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-coronavirus-testing-at-the-2020-mercedes-benz-uci-mountain-bike-world-cup-in-nove-mesto-czech-republic

Updated press release states 1 US rider and 1 staff member, 1Ukrainian rider and 1 Staff member. #5 still a question???
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 Honestly I wouldn't even be surprised if it was one of the riders who felt sick but decided to race anyways. The pressure to perform, put onto top level athletes by sponsors, is extremely high - especially in a season where there isn't much racing going on. Many athletes would do anything to honor the contractual agreements, not putting the relationships with their sponsors at risk. I, too, have been in that situation. Although I never even came close to world cup levels of racing, there were times when I would rather get on my bike and endure hours of pain and suffering, participating in racing while being sick or injured, just not to violate my contracts. In the end, the sponsors are paying for representation, as a racer your main jobs are getting results and being a walking advertisement - so thats exactly what you do, even if you don't feel good. Obviously it would be a riders responsibility to stay well clear of competitions, if there were symptoms present and I'm not trying to justify anything. Just saying that this was bound to happen.
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 If only covid was performance enhancing............
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 "A note on the comments

COVID-19 is a serious global health risk, and while we don't want to limit the conversation we're going to actively remove disinformation and suspend people who continue to post it."

Might want to start with the comments on this article.
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 Leogang bubble? Seriously?
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 They can't outright say cluster, now can they?
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 PCR tests are useless. Statistically at least half of those are false positives and upto 80% of those people didn’t have symptoms. In the UK alone, four times the amount of people died from influenza last month than C19.
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 www.instagram.com/tv/CF9B1-fJN9J/?igshid=1d7ozp60bfedu

It's not just a virus playing... Who doesn't realize this so far might be lobotumized by TV without noticing it...
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 This sht show was entirely predictable.
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 i thought this was about cycling ..not the president! ..cnn/fox etc etc have that already covered.
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 Ahhh... remember when pinkbike wasn’t political? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
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 Bring in the sniffer doges!
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 Covid isn't over. This is a reminder to be careful. We still need to live. But everything has changed. Please try to keep risks of transmission to a minimum. Thanks
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 Edit, delete...
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 batty.
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