5 Ways The UCI, EWS, & Other Race Organizers are Addressing COVID-19

Aug 26, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
Casey Brown
Casey Brown masking up.

With EWS racing returning this weekend and World Cups later in September, the UCI and Trailove (the organizers of EWS Zermatt) have outlined new guidelines on how they intend to keep riders and fans safe in a COVID world. The UCI's rules are adapted from road cycling where the season has already restarted with the Criterium du Dauphine, Milan San Remo and the Tour de France kicking off this weekend. The guidelines revolve around the 'team bubble' concept, where teams are isolated from the public and each other and only people who return a negative COVID test can enter.

Both the UCI and Traillove stress that local guidelines take precedence but they both have some guidelines that refer specifically to mountain bike racing and they are what we'll be looking at here. Here are 5 ways racing will look different when it returns:

1. Team Bubbles

For World Cups, the UCI's bike team bubbles protocol has been adapted from road cycling to better suit the purposes of mountain biking. In road cycling, the bubbles form together to form a peloton bubble, which allows riders and team to interact with each other but not third parties outside the bubble. Once inside the bubble, contact with anyone outside it is discouraged and this includes teams having their own floors at hotels, private dining rooms and restrictions on start and finish areas. It's worth noting the test to enter the bubble can be via a clinical questionnaire and it doesn't need a full virus test.

2. Masking

The new norm
Photo @mack-faint

Masks are going to be a huge part of the restart plan with 22 mentions in the UCI plan alone. Unfortunately social distancing isn't going to be possible at race weekends so masks will be another line of defence against the virus. The UCI is mandating masks everywhere from hotels to anti-doping but the bottom line is that masks are compulsory at all times for everyone except athletes during, "training, warm-up sessions and during competitions."

In the EWS masks will be worn, "by all staff and riders if the social distancing rules can not be maintained." This includes on transport, gondolas and during award ceremonies.

3. Spectators

The UCI doesn't have any specific restrictions on fans, instead referring to local guidelines, however they will be restricting access to the finish area to only essential personnel as explained below.

Traillove is taking this a bit further. It's probably impossible to police the entire length of an EWS course but in an effort to reduce spectator numbers, no public maps of the course will be available on site and there will be no areas set aside for spectators at the side of the course. On top of this, no public will be allowed access to the awards ceremony or race start.

4. Start Huts and Finish Areas

The UCI is asking that organizers, "only allow access to essential people, with face masks" at race starts and that those that are there, "always maintain a safe distance between the public and the riders". This will be especially important in XC races where the entire XC peloton bubble will be in one place. During the downhill race, only 1 rider will be on the hotseat in the finish area (as opposed to the usual 3) and only "essential people" will be allowed in finish areas. The UCI defines this as 1-2 people from each team and a few photographers.

In Zermatt, riders will start the race one by one and there will be no interviews by the event MC will be carried out at rollout. Out on course riders must queue 2 metres apart for each stage and there will be no food at feed stations at the EWS this weekend, just water points where athletes will be required to fill up their own water bottles.

5. Podiums

Photo @mack-faint

Podium presentations often see the most people gathered in one place at a World Cup race and they're going to be looking a bit different when racing returns. Podium boxes will now have to be placed 1.5m apart, spectators will be limited and riders now have a self serve option that allows them to collect their medals after hand sanitising.

Traillove is limiting numbers at its award ceremony to 100 people with no public allowed. It's podiums steps will be 2 metres apart and the self serve option is mandatory. Face masks must be worn under both UCI and Traillove guidelines.

But...

It's worth saying that even with these guidelines, there's no guarantee that racing will be going ahead. Road cycling has been implementing its version of these guidelines for most of August but some positive tests are still being registered. On top of this, cases are on the rise across Europe, which could lead to local regulations restricting the size of events leading to further cancellations. David Lappartient, UCI President, said, "The UCI, organisers, teams and riders have the responsibility of applying these measures so that the resumption of mountain bike in particular and cycling in general is not in any way compromised. Given the current global health situation, this resumption is by no means guaranteed. The protocol remains dependent upon the laws and provisions of the countries hosting our events, but it does represent another step towards a return to normality for our sport.”

The full UCI guidelines can be found, here and the Traillove guidelines, here.


A note on the comments

COVID-19 is a serious global health risk, and while we don't want to limit the conversation we're going to actively remove disinformation and suspend people who continue to post it.


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212 Comments

  • 101 21
 5 Ways The UCI, EWS, & Other Race Organizers are attempting to keep the dollars coming in when they know they should cancel.
  • 14 8
 Spot on.
  • 10 6
 100%
  • 32 117
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 13:58) (Below Threshold)
 They should cancel for a common cold? Wow... the only dangerous viruses present in this event are ignorance and fear. Turn off the media and look around, are the hospitals overrun? Nope. Are bodies piling up in the streets? Nope. Do you know any healthy people that have died from this cold virus? Nope. Is the government telling you to eat well, live well, exercise? Nope.
If it was really dangerous, we would not have to be bombarded by fear from the media, we would know it was dangerous because we would all have had witnessed the threat. Total and utter BULLSHIT!!
  • 61 15
 @Golden-G: your making our country look bad with your ignorant selfish comment. Lots of lives have been lost and we don't even know the long term effects of this disease.
  • 25 88
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 14:16) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: BULLSHIT you idiot! Lots of lives have been lost due to suicide, domestic violence, drug/alcohol overdose, etc due to the lockdown. Far more productive members of our society have perished due to the tyranny of this insanity. In my province, 155 people average age of 83 have died. The average life expectancy in my province is 82!!!!! Are you stupid??? Old people die all day everyday, it’s part of life. But yeah give up all our freedoms for a common cold virus?? Wearing a paper mask and a vaccine is better than living healthy free life? Get f*cked!!!
  • 16 50
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 14:18) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: newsflash: people die.
  • 43 16
 @Golden-G: I'll go with medical professionals on this one. I bet you think Trump is a god.
  • 10 42
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 14:26) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: its got f*ck all to do with trump you muppet.

answer me this... how would you possibly be of the opinion you are of, without a fundamental faith in the government and the media?
  • 16 59
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 14:38) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: who? Trump is a puppet just like Obama just like Bush. Each province has one UNELECTED chief medical officer, who are bureaucrats and DO NOT practice medicine. They are corrupt. If you don’t like one doctors opinion you get another opinion. There are MANY doctors, virologists, and epidemiologists that 100% disagree with what is occurring. These doctors/scientists are being banned and censored by non mediacal/non scientific ‘fact checkers’. Big pharmaceutical stands to make trillions in profit for mandatory global vaccination which is the end goal. Believe it. Have a look at what is happening in Australia right now. That tyranny is coming here if you continue to comply.
  • 30 11
 @Golden-G: you've been watching too many conspiracy theory documentaries... Name a legit virologist, epidemiologist that thinks this virus is not a big deal?
  • 14 50
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 14:59) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: a conspiracy theory? You are the idiot advocate for masks and Marshall law!!! You do know that viruses are just as likely to infect you through your eyes right? How much research have you done on your own? Absolutely not a single minute. Regurgitating media rhetoric is not thinking. You are a brainwashed automaton. This virus has a know survival rate of 99.7% yet you think a paper mask is going to save your cowardly life... Full Retard.
  • 27 3
 @Golden-G: didn't answer my question....
  • 14 0
 @howsyourdad: getting older but he's doing good - thx for asking
  • 18 4
 @Golden-G: wearing masks aren’t to stop you getting Covid , they’re worn to stop you spreading it if you have it ! But you already knew that !
  • 7 34
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 15:59) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: do your own research. The last time I cut and paste links on the comments my account was suspended. Consider that there is an alternative to what you are being told by the governments ‘experts’. Only a closed mind is not open to new possibilities and information.
  • 13 3
 @Golden-G:

Goosfraba, GG... don't worry because Uncle Trump is gonna ride across the country on election night on a golden unicorn spraying vaccine out of his... oh never mind.

Wait, you're in Canada... you're screwed then.

"Just easing the tension, baby."
  • 12 25
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 16:17) (Below Threshold)
 @WasatchEnduro: biden/harris will be so much better bro? LOL! It always amazes me that you believe that red or blue matters. Trump is a puppet, biden is a puppet. Obama was a puppet. Bush was a puppet. You have not had a patriot in the Whitehouse since JFK. Go vote harder this year! Things are going to change this time!! LOL!!
  • 8 3
 @Golden-G:

alas it’s just another year of two poor choices. sigh.
  • 7 27
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 16:32) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: if the government told you to put on a helmet and walk around on all fours, you would be doing it.
  • 7 20
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 16:33) (Below Threshold)
 @WasatchEnduro: there is no choice. It’s a selection not an election.
  • 9 4
 The echo chamber here is strong
  • 22 8
 @Golden-G: I did the research.... couldn't find a top doctor who agrees with you. Top doctor on the planet about this definitely disagrees: www.idsociety.org/Podcasts/podcasts/dr.-anthony-fauci-shares-id-insights-on-covid-19

keep talking, you sound more ignorant each time.
  • 10 26
flag Golden-G (Aug 26, 2020 at 18:52) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: you have done jack shit. You know nothing of immune health, the human virome, sociological impacts of the lockdown, economic impacts of the lockdown, and so on. If the government truly cared about your health, 54 % of the population would not be overweight. Obesity is a true health crisis in Canada. Fat people wearing masks...the irony is too much. You sound like an excellent candidate for a vaccine trial. Roll up your sleeve
  • 14 4
 @Golden-G: you still haven't gave me names of top doctors in this field that agree with you. You go off on these tangents that have nothing to do with the pandemic.
  • 3 6
 Echo echo echo echo...
  • 6 3
 @Golden-G: what's your resume bro? You are the one that doesn't know jack shit.
  • 5 13
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 21:48) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: speaking of resumes, since you cited Fauci.. what do you know about him? Or do you just trust him because he’s at the top?
  • 7 4
 @tobiusmaximum: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci seems to know what he's talking about. You know more than him?
  • 5 15
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 22:06) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: oh Wikipedia! Oh okay. He must be a good guy then lol.
  • 9 4
 @tobiusmaximum: what's not correct on it? You know more than him on infectious diseases? Second time asking.
  • 4 14
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 22:37) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: it’s not about what he ‘knows’. But that seems to have escaped you.
  • 9 3
 @tobiusmaximum: it is what he and experts in the field "know".... like I've said, I'm going with the science people on this and not on the conspiracy theorists. Don't be Trump dumb.
  • 4 13
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 22:53) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: I couldn’t give a shit about trump. As for ‘the science people’, all you’re doing is seeing the establishment stooges as credible. That’s it. Do you think anyone with an opposing view is going to last long in the government or media? If you do, you aren’t paying attention.

You don’t think sociopaths can ‘know’ stuff?
  • 6 0
 @Golden-G: correct they’re all puppets , but puppets to who ? No US president should be a Putins puppet !
  • 7 2
 @tobiusmaximum: we’re in the age of “ alternative facts “. Anything goes and certain people seem to like it , when a leader constantly lies , says black is white then white is white the following day . People don’t believe shit anymore and then there’s Putin .......... he’s got troll farms pumping out tonnes of junk just to feed the fire , he don’t care what lies you believe as long as it ain’t the truth ( quite like that one , heard it today ) !
We just need some good old boring politicians for a while I think !
  • 10 0
 @Golden-G: You still believe in the immune system? Dude, the people just make you think there is an immune system. Don't let the government fool you!!

...oh wow argueing with alternative facts is awesome, no need for logic and sound arguements. I totally see now why you like it that much!
  • 5 6
 @Matt115lamb: who decides what are alternative facts? Are we in an age where the state disseminates all ‘facts’? Because that’s how tyranny works.
  • 4 1
 @tobiusmaximum: Reality decides what is a fact.
  • 4 4
 @ajp1: I’m sure it does. So the question still stands.
  • 8 3
 “ A note on the comments

COVID-19 is a serious global health risk, and while we don't want to limit the conversation we're going to actively remove disinformation and suspend people who continue to post it.”

Feels like empty words, based on the discourse above. Your move, PB.
  • 3 4
 @ajp1: okay, whatever word you prefer.. who decides what ‘reality’ is? And don't tell me ‘reality does’. We are clearly having a conversation about the dissemination of information.
  • 8 1
 @tobiusmaximum: The WHO, Johns Hopkins university, the UN, and many other credible sources have terabytes of data on this issue of Covid 19. That data is free, accessible, demonstrable, and available to anyone and everyone. Suggesting that bodies who's only purpose of existing is to extend human knowledge and understanding is somehow clandestine is quite frankly not worth an answer.
  • 4 8
flag Golden-G (Aug 27, 2020 at 9:33) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: the virus is here to stay. Our liberties are however, disappearing at an alarming rate. If you don’t stand up now, they will be gone, NEVER to be given back. You were warned but you are to convinced of your own superiority to accept new information that would help you preserve your freedoms.
  • 7 5
 @tobiusmaximum: I’m curious what you wrap your lunch leftovers in, when all your available tin foil seems to be going towards hat making...
  • 8 10
 @Golden-G: alot of negative props for some really strong points. people really cannot handle truth. glad to see not everyones a sheep.
  • 3 6
 @mtallman2: fascinating mate. especially given that people like me were telling i***ts like you, TEN YEARS AGO, that they're going to try to mass vaccinate the whole planet and monitor and surveil everyone constantly. and oh look, here we are. meanwhile, apparently i'm still wearing a tin foil hat. its literally like living amongst zombies at this stage.
  • 8 1
 @whitebullit: The negative props might mostly be because he called everyone that ask him to support his thesis "idiot" "muppet" "moron" and so on.
Although some suggestive comments I haven't seen the same level of insult going the opposite way.
It's funny to see how full of truth some people are but have no mean of showing a single piece of evidence that can or can not be argued with. They just shout insults and brag about their knowledge on which they seem to have no base at all other than some (???) internet research that they can't seem to share.

I just read the story about the man robbing the bank with lemon juice on his face, I'm not sure if it's real or not but the thesis that come out of it seem more compelling every time I see/read some of these individuals opinions.
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: the first effective vaccine was deployed almost globally and with great success in 1796 and eradicated smallpox; or that is what they want us to think.
  • 4 0
 @tobiusmaximum: I guess it is sort of like living amongst zombies, in that there is a highly contagious virus circulating around the globe causing chaos and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

Noted though, mass vaccination bad, makes sense.
  • 5 1
 @tobiusmaximum: do you really believe this Covid thing is a man made virus built with the intent to be spread worldwide so a vaccine can be made with a built in micro chip so THEY can monitor your every move ?
Sod loo roll I’m going for a shed load of tin foil !
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: what's the difference between the approaching mass vaccination and surveillance we are about to experience for covid VS the vaccinations we had at school for mmr (for example) and are listed in our medical records (surveillance)?

Are you suggesting that the surveillance will be more than just medical records? Like it'll track location or something?
  • 1 4
 @mtallman2: causing chaos, lol. the only thing causing chaos is the bloody lockdown. highly contagious? maybe. actually particularly dangerous? not really. it hasn't killed hundreds of thousands of people at all, you need to look into how the death certs are filled out.

but anyone, vaccines, tell me about them. they work, right? you get the jab, you're immune, right?
  • 1 0
 @Matt115lamb: did i say it was manmade?
  • 3 1
 @nordland071285: if he’s been shouting this nonsense for 10years it’s no wonder THEY wanna keep a tab on him ! Lol
  • 1 1
 @nordland071285: just go and read agenda 21. let me know when you're done.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum:
No but you probably think it is ! What’s your opinion on vaper trails and gay frogs ?
  • 1 1
 @Matt115lamb: its quite staggering that you can joke about it. tell me how i knew about this ten years ago. am i psychic? not really. whats the other option? i guessed? i wish i was that lucky with the lottery.
  • 2 1
 @Matt115lamb: yeah, we are done. go back to sleep luv.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum: #getonyourbike
  • 1 4
 @Matt115lamb: maybe you can tell me, if vaccines work and they protect YOU from the disease, why do I have to have it?
  • 3 1
 @tobiusmaximum: because they are only affective when a certain % of the population have them ! This anti-vaxxer phenomena has been linked to Russian bot farms for years , they just want to destabilise the west so putin can stay in power and keep all his nicked cash !
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: well, the idea is that you should 'want' to have it, to protect those who can't have it for medical reasons.
And you risking a vaccine, is less bad than the alternative solution
...which is that the people who can't have the vaccine have to stay in isolation for life.
Admittedly, its a conundrum..and could be a very clever way to make you take medicine!

But what Are the options? If it's a conspiracy like you say, it's a clever one because it plays on your heart strings
Are you working hard to enlighten us all, with a solution in mind?
  • 1 1
 @Matt115lamb: daaammn, now who sounds like a theorist.
  • 1 2
 @nordland071285: lol. i should want to have it? well they failed there. because i'm going to do anything i can to not have it. and i'm not alone.
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: you’ve done it again , confusing facts with theories !
  • 2 0
 difficult one
  • 5 2
 @Golden-G: This issue is not where we are now but where we have the potential to be. Looking at the current death rate to cases (which according to stats is higher than the 0.3% you have quoted elsewhere - more like 3.4%) if we had continued unabated and say, 70% of the world was exposed, we would be looking at a death rate of 180 Million people.

Even you could fairly argue that there are double the mount of people with COVID that are being reported, that would still put us at 90 Million - double the population of Canada.

And then if we said it only affected the more vulnerable in society we're then targeting specific generations - the old and very young.

People die, this is true, but if these deaths could be prevented, shouldn't we all take small steps so that others can live?

And to think that every Government and Chief Medical officer in the world is in on this seems a little fanciful - considering that has never happened in the history of the world ever (other than the moon landing and flatness of our planet).
  • 3 3
 @Dangerplums: the death rate is massively skewed by the simple fact that everything is being labelled a covid death (if they have a positive test recently) which is absolutely false.
  • 1 0
 @ajp1: come again?
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: 'Massively skewed'? Is that an assumption or statement of fact. You haven't provided any supporting evidence.

I have seen first-hand reports of people dying of heart attacks related to COVID that weren't listed as a COVID death, and I'm sure there would be others. But I don't have the experience or data to confidently make a statement either way.

And for the record, if you could fairly make this statement for COVID, you could probably do the same for the Flu.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: Partially false. Not absolutely false.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum: Though now I am picking spots from your ability to form a sentence. Not your ability to critically think.
  • 1 0
 regarding what constitutes a covid caused death in the UK
www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/deaths-covid-19
  • 1 0
 @nordland071285: so, does it not say ‘with COVID-19, not necessarily because of it’?
  • 2 4
 @Dangerplums: compartmentalization.
The fact that not one single government ‘health expert’ has NOT ONCE advised people to improve their immune health via sound diet, healthy lifestyle, regular exercise, regular exposure to sunlight, and low stress levels should tell you everything you need to know. After all, your best and truly your only defense against any pathogen is a strong healthy immune system.
  • 4 1
 @Dangerplums: “People die, this is true, but if these deaths could be prevented, shouldn't we all take small steps so that others can live?”

I guess it’s a fundamental difference in my attitude/thinking. Firstly I don’t think what’s happening can be reasonably argued as ‘small steps’. And secondly, unless we start getting to much higher numbers I don’t see it as a problem. Presently we are at a death figure something like 0.1% of the world population. Until that’s more like 10% I don’t see the issue. (This is based on an alleged 800,000 deaths globally, which I personally think is much lower than. So yeah, I think the difference between 0.3% rate and 3.4% rate is ‘massively skewed’. If you don’t think so, lend me £50k at 0.3% interest pleaseSmile ) Everyone is always banging on about ‘too many people’ and yet we still try to stop nature’s way of thinning the herd.
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: “not a problem until 10% of the world’s population dies”
I thought your name reminded me of a Bond villain but you really are !
  • 1 5
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 27, 2020 at 23:03) (Below Threshold)
 @Matt115lamb: this is basically because you think all that’s happening is ‘wearing a mask when you go in a shop’. I know otherwise.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum: you just keep watching the Corbettshitshow conspiracy films , they’re good for you !
  • 2 3
 @Matt115lamb: okay bud. You keep watching the news, because they’re always telling the truth Wink
  • 4 0
 @Golden-G: Y10 seconds of internet bothering:

www.who.int/campaigns/connecting-the-world-to-combat-coronavirus/healthyathome/healthyathome---healthy-diet

www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/ongoing-support-during-coronavirus-covid-19/healthy-eating-during-coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions

www.bbc.com/news/health-52371688

Is this just your personal experience that you're stating as fact.

The goal is not to expose people in the first place. Immune compromised people don't have a choice. So although you might survive, what about your grand parents, people with severe illnesses, or a new born baby. I'd assume you may be a little more considerate if there was someone close to you that was at risk.
  • 1 1
 @Dangerplums: a wise man once said ‘a government big enough to give you everything you need (think: safety) is big enough to take everything you have’ (think: freedom)

It’s all about cost to benefit ratio. Most people are rolling over for whatever the state wants to do without thinking that they could have ulterior motives, but some people see the cost as too high. That’s all.
  • 1 0
 @Dangerplums: .....and they’ve said give up smoking and exercise more from day one !
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 @tobiusmaximum: This could very well be natures way of reducing our population, but that is a different debate.

One is disputing the 'facts' around COVID.

The other is accepting those facts and plotting a path. If you believe in herd immunity and we split the different on death rate, it sounds to me you are happy for up to 1 million people to die in the UK before this is finished. What is the level before that becomes unacceptable?

Do you have a number? Or until it affects you personally? Somebody close to you - or even you? Are you prepared to sacrifice yourself for the good of the herd? Or do you just consider this unlikey?
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: which wise man?
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: Firstly what is the cost? Is it money? People are expendable for money? If that is the case let's reopen the pits and send the kids down.

I have seen an awesome job of brain washing in Britain recently and it wasn't related to COVID. Brexit has been a much better job of misguiding the public for the benefit of the entitled few. I think that is a much greater risk to Britain long term that COVID.
  • 1 0
 @ajp1: google it
  • 1 0
 @Dangerplums: the cost is not money, money isn’t real.. it’s printed units of value, a transfer of energy if you like.

Regarding the good of the herd, what I find amazing is how many people ascribe to Darwin’s theory, yet aren’t brave enough to ‘live by the sword’ of survival of the fittest.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum: I did and it is what is known as a spurious quote. As in... No one of note said it. However it was attributed to Thomas Jefferson around 2000.
  • 1 0
 @ajp1: it still logically applies. Even if the debunkers have put their questionable flag in it.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: please explain
  • 2 0
 @ajp1: explain what? That if you let a government become big/powerful enough to give you everything, it’s also big/powerful enough to take everything? What needs explaining?
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: We are heading into much more philosophical territory.

Obviously you would rather remove all restrictions and let nature run its course (we could go down a rabbit hole of whether anybody should receive medical care ever).

Is there a point for you when the death rate would be too great? What is your threshold?
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 @tobiusmaximum: I just don't think that is the case. I want you to explain how the government is going to come and take away everything. Are they going to break into my house whilst I am sleeping, or send the Stasi round during the day? What are they gong to do about my credit card debt? Will they pay it for me once I am in state prison? Who are they going to get first? Why are they going to take away everything? Why didn't they inject a micro chip in me when I was a child and they were giving me my TB inoculation?
  • 1 0
 @ajp1: wow, you really are a long way behind. Presuming these are genuine questions.

The easiest way to see what’s occurring is to look at the desired end result. Which is basically Agenda 21. But since you won’t read it, or take any opinion on it that isn’t on the MSM.. is there any real point telling you what it entails?
  • 1 0
 @ajp1: I am very interested in the source you used to find out the Jefferson quote was spurious. Because it sounds like you’ve accepted it. It’s just an interesting insight into what we ALL are guilty of considering proof or fact.
  • 1 0
 @Dangerplums: if humanity isn’t prepared to take action for its freedom it will lose its freedom and subsequently be massively reduced in numbers anyway.
  • 3 0
 @tobiusmaximum: Do you mean Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests?

The same agenda 21 that has been demonised by right wing extremest groups like the John Birch Society?

The same John Birch Society that among other far right groups that sees any collaborative effort by governments as some clandestine plot to turn the world into a one world communist government?

The same John Birch Society that claimed Eisenhower was a communist agent?

The comprehensive plan of Utopian environmentalism, social engineering and global political control?

This is amazing. How did I not see it before. You are completely correct. The Stasi are already in my mind, and are already paying my credit card debt.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: The Thomas Jefferson Foundation
  • 1 0
 @ajp1: well exactly, your mind is already made up. So the conversation is pointless.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: "I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong"
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 @tobiusmaximum: if I believed all this stuff you’ve been citing , I wouldn’t spend all day on here , I’d be joining the rebellion ! So get a grip of yourself lol
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 @Matt115lamb:

hey, keep Kapfinger and Dangerholm outa this!
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 @tobiusmaximum: Thanks. I've enjoyed the discussion, but feel this would be much easier over a beer.

The point of good debate (assuming people are open to it) is to collectively find truth.

At this point I don't understand the following things from your rhetoric:
1. Who is behind this big conspiracy - but they're big enough to be hugely influential in every government even as those governments change.
2. What is their end goal or motivation? Is this just money or power or something else?
3. How COVID fits with their larger strategy - and how does this align with other world events?
4. Are leaders like Bolsonero and Trump complicit in this or fighting the good fight?
5. Was Boris originally fighting the good fight, but then they got to him and he changed his tune?

Instead of teasing us with one line statements that we're all a bunch of sheeple (which we could well be) could you please just write one paragraph outlining exactly what is going on and to what end.

Much appreciated.
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 @Dangerplums: can’t see that happening as once it’s written down and read it back he’ll see what a plonker he is ! Abit like brexit !
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 @Dangerplums: I will. I’m just busy with work. The first problem though is the idea of presenting it in one paragraph. I don’t know if that’s because people’s attention span is short, but you can’t realistically sum up ‘global domination’ in one paragraph. What I would add for now, about global domination, is the issue that regular people seem to find the idea a bit unimaginable for some reason. They tend to see it like a Bond plot or something from an Austin Powers film.

I’ll say a little about question one, for now. The governments don’t run the world. The world is run by the big banks. This has been the case for a long time. “ Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws” Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Which is why Lord Acton correctly stated that “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”

The money system is at the centre of all of it.

I’ll get back to you when I get chance.

As for MattLamb.. well, it’s clear your level of understanding is mainstream political rhetoric. I’m not going to judge you for your perspective, unlike how you do with mine, we are all on a path.


I don’t speak out because I like be denigrated by people. I do it because I’ve known about this stuff for ten years and I’m watching it all happen exactly as planned. I’m just tired of people being lied to and manipulated.
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 @tobiusmaximum: is this the Rothschild illuminati controlling the world one !
Mate I’ve been down this rabbit hole before and it scrambles your brain ! Best thing you can do is delete all Facebook , YouTube and internet history , you’ll feel a lot better and if your right about these conspiracies, you won’t have to worry about them anymore !
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 @tobiusmaximum: Thanks. I don't mind if it is longer than one paragraph. Feel free to link to appropriate material.

Cheers
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 @preach: Did you look at any of the data? If pneumonia caused by COVID was listed, or general respiratory failure from same, that article is basically saying they had an underlying condition. High blood pressure also considered in the same way.
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 @Dangerplums: let me ask you a couple of questions first. To see where you stand on certain things.
Do you think/believe that humans should all live in cities and be monitored 24/7? Do you think that that monitoring should include A.i facial recognition cameras everywhere and bio-metric monitoring? Do you think all that information should be linked to a social crediting system and a cashless money system? Do you think these systems should include universal basic income for the majority of humans, when the vast majority of jobs are gone? Do you think the right to free movement should be decided by centralised governments bodies? Do you think that all resources should be controlled by a technocratic world government? Fundamentally, do you think that ALL human behaviour should be dictated by human overlords?

These are just a few questions. If you answer yes to the majority of these then I’m not sure there’s much point trying to tell you that these aren’t good things for us.
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 @tobiusmaximum: they obviously aren't good. What we want to know is what evidence do you have?
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 @ajp1: you can find all the evidence you need on YouTube , somewhere !
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 @ajp1: evidence for what? the above is a list of things which are open goals, they're just telling people its a good thing or the only option.

if you don't think they are openly admitted goals, i suggest you start broadening your information absorption, stop thinking conspiracy means 'theory', study what the likes of bill gates, the UN, davos, the world economic forum and other 'world groups' are saying and stop pretending that nothing is going on. if you can't look around you and see we are clearly walking the path towards these things, then i want to know what you're paying attention to all day.

don't ask me for evidence, i don't have all day to spoon feed you information and frankly a handful of links is not going to educate you. you'll just dispute the sources or parrot the PR version of said information.

given your rapid summary of the john birch society, i'm guessing you think things like wikipedia are reliable. the truth is, you won't ever get the whole situation summed up in an article or a document. you have to piece things together. but tbh, you won't. because you don't 'believe' it. which is why you can't see it, when its staring us right in the face.

anyway, i'm out. this is a waste of my time. nobody convinces anybody of anything, you can only change your own mind. (also, if you think being in favour of 'small government' means you're 'far right' then maybe i know as much as i need to know about where you're at.)

i could say you're ready for a socialist world state, but you have admitted that the tenets of said system 'obviously aren't good'. so maybe all is not lost.
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 @Matt115lamb: bless you matt, you've admitted it scrambles your brain. maybe there is someone sweeping up you could do instead.
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 @tobiusmaximum: I’ll sweep up the mess after you’ve tried to save world Big Grin
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 @tobiusmaximum: You are making extraordinary claims and I think if you have this knowledge you should share it. If you do as you claim want to protect people from these iniquitous groups. How are we supposed to prevent this from happening if we don't have the relevant information? Every time I google these claims it just comes back with credible sources debunking them. So I really want to know where I should be looking.
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 @Matt115lamb: well, i'm not going to apologise for giving a shit about other people.
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 @ajp1: lol, stay at the top of google luv, because thats a solid tactic in 2020.
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 @tobiusmaximum: What are your sources and where do you look? I have access to peer approved search engines too.
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 @ajp1: i've been researching for ten years. i can't tell you where to look, for two reasons. one, you won't accept their 'credibility' and two, you can't sum it up with one source. thats a mainstream 'feed me the truth in six minutes' type of mindset, which is what has us in this mess. i feel like we are going round in circles. maybe just start by reading Orwell's 1984? it sounds like you need to. (you keep telling me about 'credible sources' and how google is reliable.)

anyway. i really am done. maybe just question what you consider credible. maybe don't. maybe just decide i'm crazy (despite paying attention for a decade, whilst regular people 'do their thing' and accept the news as truth) and go about your day.

either way, we share bicycles in common. so i wish you speedy laps/times and fun times. peace.
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 @tobiusmaximum: Google is a search engine I also use the term for searching with other search engines. You can use other search engines such as refseek, wolfram alpha, educational resource information centre . I am curious as to where you even start this search. None of the scholarly engines turn up any evidence that you are claiming so I just want to know where to look.
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 @ajp1: wolfram alpha and refseek appear to be engines for math and science etc. i'm not sure why you think the would be a good place to look for geo-political culture shifts.

let me assure you, 'where to look' is difficult now. we are deep, in 2020. most of what you have been told is reliable and unreliable is back to front and information control is already in full swing. thats why i suggest reading 1984. you'll probably get more from that than anything else. but i really am out, for the fourth time lol. have a good bank holiday.
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 @tobiusmaximum: I am giving examples of alternative search engines, yes they are maths and science search engines, but I have access to political science search engines such as think tank search, the duke libraries portal, and (shock horror) google scholar. I just never needed to used them in my life as an academic (except google scholar for science based journal searches). I believe that you are making substantial claims, yet not offering any way for any person to verify your claims. Give us some titles of peer reviewed political science journal articles that back up your claims. It is not unreasonable for you to be pressed on where exactly you found this information, or what it even is.

I have read 1984. I have read a brave new world, I have read Fahrenheit 451. I have read many science fiction books contemporaneous to the titles mentioned above. I just am curious to see if you can reasonably answer any questions about your knowledge and fears of a globally unifying superpower.
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 @ajp1:

do you think a "globally unifying superpower" is a good idea?

also, tell me about how peer review is infallible and incorruptible. because i have never managed to come across a body or institution (or process) that wasn't malleable.
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 @tobiusmaximum: some data from our local area in North Carolina. this study compared the deaths in a 4 county area from Jan-August of 2019 and then Jan-August of 2020 and the rates are basically identical despite the "Pandemic" we are in.

hickoryrecord.com/news/local/no-spike-in-deaths-despite-pandemic-for-4-counties-of-the-catawba-valley/article_6e84a828-e95c-11ea-96d2-cb121c1e620b.html#tracking-source=home-trending
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 @preach: we’re being withheld this information by someone , THEY’RE on to us . Got to go warriors !
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 @tobiusmaximum: peer approved review is not infallible it is open to scrutiny though. I don't think a globally unifying super power is a good idea. I also don't think it is happening. You seem to think it is, and claim to have solid evidence for it. All I am asking you is to show us some of that evidence.
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 @ajp1: they literally just locked down the whole planet under the direction of the WORLD health organisation. what is it that you don't think is happening?
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 @tobiusmaximum: I guess that me travelling internationally recently was a figment of my imagination then. I suppose all those international sporting events are also bogus?
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 @ajp1: sooo, the lockdown didn't happen. riiiiight.
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 @tobiusmaximum: you can travel for work pretty much anywhere with no quarantine and the WHO don’t make the rules they advise ! Have you not noticed that countries have handled this Covid how they think best and not all the way WHO + Bill gates + George soros + Rothschilds overlords have ordered them ?
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 @Matt115lamb: I’m definitely talking to the wrong person about the following, but do you remember how the EU began as a trade agreement and ended up a dictatorship. No, you don’t, because you thought the EU was great. Because you’re a globalist. Just come out and admit it, you want a world government.
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 @tobiusmaximum: I don't believe that you believe any of what you are saying. You are a trolling. Well done. Almost believed that you genuinely were a conspiracy theorist.
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 @ajp1: I do believe he believes all of it , there’re people like him everywhere, look at the Qanon freak show that’s happening . They’re probably all linked by one human overlord lol
The scary thing about these guys is when elections come they’re vote is worth the same as yours !
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 @Matt115lamb: I don't want to denigrate him or his opinions. The number of people who buy into this whole narrative is quite interesting to me though.
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 @Matt115lamb: I could easily say the same things about you two. Q anon is bollocks btw. (P.s. my vote is easily worth yours, since I know the difference between they’re and their) Wink
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 @tobiusmaximum: I blame the predictive txt overlords for changing my words !
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 @tobiusmaximum: You have said many of the same things as QAnon though. George Soros and Jewish cabals control the world, Bill Gates implanting microchips in us to surveil us, UN and the WHO are forming one world government, and so on. In fact Agenda 21 being a blueprint for a corrupt world government seems to be at the very core of QAnon's and your belief system. Yet you think QAnon is not true.
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 @tobiusmaximum: Sorry, been away from this forum for a few days.

Personally I have to agree with @ajp1.

I too have read all of those books and I think we can all agree that that would be a 'bad thing'.

Interestingly if that was the case and 'lockdown' gave them unprecendented authority I would have thought that wannabe autocrats like Trump, Bolsonero and Putin would have been all over them like white on rice but it seems that the opposite was true.

Are we moving to an age where technology could be misused and better enable some of the things you are talking about. Yes we are. But whether or not these are the underlying reasons why this technology is being created - I don't believe so.

It sounds like you are a Brexiter. From where I sit that is the worst decision Britain has made in 50 years and is going to have a massive impact on your standard of living. Sure you'll have independence. It won't solve many of the social issues that Britain is facing - you'll just be poorer too. Interestingly, Boris and Nigel were using the exact techniques in the books referred above to push their own agenda.

The point everyone is debating is whether there is some new world order pulling the strings and I just don't believe that is the case and although you have said you have proof you constantly say we just won't believe it.

Sh!t or get off the pot, but I don't believe you have any real credible evidence.

As for this amazing, co-ordinated global conspiracy, all I know my local council can't agree what to do with a cycle lane...
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 @chef-sramsay: blocked me, you fanny Rodney! Grow a pair lol
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 Can we have a Vote to send @golden-G to pinkboat.com ??
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 I want to click on that link, but kind of dont . . . ;-)
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 Honestly its kind of embracing to see the amount athletes are traveling about even just within BC during the Crankworx events let alone now heading to Europe for the EWS. On top of that the amount of riders from the UK heading out to Europe as soon as you could legally and blowing up social media with themselves in queues clearly not social distancing. I know you can but it doesn't mean you should in my opinion. Kina leaves a weird taste in my mouth after the same people are talking about being sensible, social distancing etc just a few weeks before.
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 Can’t live in bubble wrap forever
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 I think almost all us "commoners" can agree that the people in and on the media who are loudly telling us what to do are not in fact doing any of it themselves if the camera isn't on.
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 Honestly, I just came for the comments.
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 OMG, no idea what I started above. ROFL
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 It’s best thing on this site - endless entertaining!
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 Waiting for the MAGA people comments
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 ????
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 'If people don't hold my EXACT VIEWS, they're fascists trump supporters!'

Right?
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 oh theyre on their way, but just finishing up in the breitbart comment section before they plod over here.
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flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 13:15) (Below Threshold)
 whats it got to do with MAGA? i think you're just showing your loyalties.
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flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 13:15) (Below Threshold)
 @ampb100: could you pick a bigger (and more incorrect) cliche?
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 @tobiusmaximum:
...that maga folks read breitbart...orrrr the scabby knuckles? please...oh pretty please educate me.
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flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 26, 2020 at 21:43) (Below Threshold)
 @ampb100: I might try, if that reply made any sense. I’m just stating that it’s a fallacy that being against what’s happening is somehow a link to trump support.
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 @tobiusmaximum: there's a direct correlation.... both are dumb people.
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 @jaydawg69: steryotyping doesn't make you smarter
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 @incapacidade: neither does spelling
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 When i upvote or downvote on pb, I feel like my vote actually matters. Thanks PB!
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 Hydroxychloroquin banned, or no?
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 At least we don’t have to worry about racers sharing water bottles this year...
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 @Mattysville:

I hear a sip from Sam Hill's water bottle kills 100% of viruses. True story.
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 It’s waki all over again.
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 1. Blame China 2. Deny COVID exists 3. Calling it a common Flu 4. Burning 5G masts 5. Go and play golf
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 No one going to talk about how Brown got the best race number in that photo?
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 Shes gonna send it to outer space. To find another race.
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 @okei: No one on this site is old enough to know that song and the ones that are haven't heard it. Excluding myself. And you. And maybe some others. Damn
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 The secret meaning and symbolism of number 420 is best interpreted by understanding meanings of its digits, 4, 2 and 0. Each one has its special cosmic energy. Angels send you this number on purpose.

Angel number 420 reflects and interesting personality; a person who is stable, sociable and determined in life.

However, people with this angel number are likely to dive into the world of spirituality and dedicate themselves to finding their spiritual path.

Number 4 is a responsible and strict numerical symbol, to say so. It represents concepts such as honor, justice, determination, focus, tradition, perseverance and endurance. It resonates with the energy of dutifulness, organization and respect.

In addition, number 2 also represents duty, service, receptivity and adaptability. It also represents friendliness, loyalty, sociability, love and support.

These two numbers are important for family life.

Number 0 is a magical number. It is highly spiritual and it has that power to amplify vibrations of numbers it stands along. In this case, it makes aspects of 4 and 2 strong and stable.

On the other hand, it has its own strong vibrations. Number 0 represents infinity, eternity, life cycle, beginnings and endings as an eternal flow, not as something infinite. It brings both discomfort and hope, it teaches us life is not a straight line.
Number 420, thus, makes an amazing combination of symbolical meanings. If you have this angel number, you must be someone whom other respect and love.

You have a lot of experience and knowledge about this earthly life, but you are also interested in more abstract, mystical ideas. This number is amazing and it will give you a lot of luck.

Or is it the weed link lol
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 @Matt115lamb: none of that numerology bs, just that kush.
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 Does this mean no shot ski at the WC finals?
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 Jeez, that devolved pretty quickly.
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 Just here for the comments. Lots of strong facts and top experts in their field. Couldn't be happier. Thank-you, steady on.
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 Woof. Dunning Kruger and logical fallacies master class here.
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 Covid is yesterdays news, next crisis please.
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