6 New Knee Pads - Pond Beaver 2020

Apr 8, 2020
by Sarah Moore  


Race Face Roam Knee Pads

Details:
• Open-back design
• D3O knee pad, bonded Kydex/TPU knee cover
• Hook and loop upper and lower straps
• Mesh back panel
• Ripstop knee cover
• 6 sizes: XS through XXL
• Comes in black
• MSRP: $129.99 USD
www.raceface.com
Race Face's new Roam knee pads are aimed at Enduro racers. It's no secret that Enduro races have gotten progressively faster and more technical and knee pads have had to evolve to keep up with treacherous descents and massive climbs.

If you make a mistake on a descent and wind up crashing, the Roam pads protect your knees with D3O impact protection. There's also a puncture-proof Kydex layer on the front of the knee pads and a TPU skid plate so that you'll slide on the ground when you take a bad fall instead of stopping on impact. The pad is pre-curved so that it feels natural when riding, not standing.

As for climbing, there's stretch in the rear panel of the pad to make it more comfortable when you're pedaling. That being said, the Roam knee pads are easy to take off without removing your shoes since they have a three-part velcro design that opens up the backside of the pad entirely so they will suit riders that like to take their pads off to climb. There are an additional two velcro straps to secure the pad in place.

The protective D3O pad on the Race Face Roam pads is removable for laundry day, while the rest of the pad can be put in the mesh bag that the pad is sold in (just remove the cardboard header card!)

The pads come in six sizes, and retail for $129.99 USD.









G-Form Pro-Rugged Knee Guards

Details:
• Impact absorbing SmartFlex
• Adjustable fit-strap
• Double-knit compression fabric
• Extra wide top gripper
• Ventilated mesh back
• Low-profile bottom gripper keeps pads in place
• 30 day return policy
• 6 sizes: XS through XXL
• MSRP: $79 USD
www.g-form.com
G-Form's new Pro-Rugged Knee Guards are a pull-on design that is intended to be comfortable for both the climbs and descents that you encounter on your ride. There's a soft, double-knit compression fabric around the front of your leg and a ventilated mesh back. The calf section doesn't have a strap for adjustments, but there's an adjustable fit strap at the top of the pad. In addition, there are grippy sections on the top inside of the pad and at the bottom of the calf to ensure the pad stays put when you're riding.

For protection, the Pro-Rugged Knee Guards use the same Smartflex technology that hardens on impact that the previous generation of their pads did. The molecules in the foam repel one another
at rest, making the material soft and flexible, but bind together upon impact, causing the pads to stiffen and absorbing the impact.

While the technology may be the same, this is a much more aesthetically pleasing version with a matte cloth exterior instead of the shiny black plasticky material that was used in the last generation.

The pads are machine washable and can be washed in the cloth bag that they are shipped in. They're available in six sizes, and retail for $79.99 USD. The elbow pads have also been updated and the new Pro-Rugged Elbow Guards are available in six sizes and retail for $69.99. There's a 30-day return policy on both the knee and elbow guards.












Troy Lee Designs Stage Knee Guards

Details:
• D3O lightweight, low profile knee impact protection
• Silicone grippers prevent slipping
• Spacer-prene sleeve combined with breathable mesh panel
• Durable, abrasion-resistant knee panel
• 3 sizes: XS/SM MD/LG XL/2X
• MSRP: $79 USD
www.troyleedesigns.com
The Troy Lee Designs Stage Knee Guard is designed to offer mid-range trail protection in a low-profile package. Like Race Face, Troy Lee Designs uses D3O technology for impact protection. The D3O pad is soft and flexible to keep the guards comfortable while riding, but on impact, the D3O material hardens to disperse the energy and protect your knees.

There aren't any adjustment straps on the Stage Knee Guards, but there are silicon grippers at the top and bottom of the sleeve to keep the guard in place. The back of the sleeve is mesh to help you
stay cool, while the front panel is made of abrasion-resistant material. There's 360° seamless construction for added comfort.

The Stage Knee Guards are available in three sizes and retail for $79 USD. There is also a new Stage Elbow Guard that uses the same technologies, is available in three sizes, and retails for $69








Pearl Izumi Elevate Knee Guards

Details:
• Medium weight pads for enduro/trail riding
• D3O viscoelastic LP1 pads
• Cordura 4-way stretch material
• Mesh fabric with knee cutout
• Sizes: XS-XL
• MSRP: $125 USD
www.pearlizumi.com
Pearl Izumi's Elevate Knee Guard is designed as a medium-duty knee pad to offer protection for enduro and trail riding in a breathable package. The pads have a four-way stretch Cordura material over the removable D3O insert designed to take a hit more than once while staying washable and flexible to allow a full day of pedaling.

The pads have a tall upper cuff with a wide band of elastic lined with grippy silicone material to keep them in place. The back of the pads are a mesh fabric to allow for breathability.

The Elevate Knee Guards are available in sizes XS-XL and sell for $125 USD.






Pearl Izumi Summit Knee Guards

Details:
• Lightweight padding for trail riding
• D3O viscoelastic knee protection, CE level 1 certified
• Cordura 4-way stretch material
• Mesh fabric with knee cutout
• Sizes: XS-XL
• MSRP: $85 USD
www.pearlizumi.com
The Summit knee guards are even lower profile than Pearl Izumi's Elevate knee guards, with a extra long upper cuff to ensure they stay securely in place. The pads are aimed at trail riders who want a little extra security, and feature a non-removable D3O pad that's thinner than what's found on the Elevate knee guards for even better pedalability.

The D3O padding is covered with a tear-resistant Cordura fabric, and the rest of the sleeve is constructed from a breathable mesh, with a cutout at the back of the knee.

The Summit knee guards are CE Level 1 certified and are available in sizes XS to XL for for $85.









POC Pocito Joint VPD Air Knee Guards

Details:
• Lightweight and highly ventilated children’s body armor for knees or elbows
• VPD Air compound protective padding
• Reflective patches for extra visibility
• Sizes: S, M, L
• MSRP: $60 USD
www.pocsports.com

Groms need protection as much as anyone; probably more given the amount of time they seem to spend tumbling on the ground. POC's pint-sized POCito guards use the Swedish company's VPD Air material for protection, and the open back design makes it easy to get them on and off, no shoe removal required. There are two strips of grippy neoprene material on the back of each pad to help keep them from slipping in the event of a tumble.

The pads will work as knee or elbow guards - the day they're no longer big enough to work as knee guards is the day they become elbow guards. Available in sizes small, medium, and large, the POCito guards retail for $60 USD.





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125 Comments

  • 90 3
 Pads looker more poorly made every year...perfect for our disposable economy.
  • 16 0
 No kidding. One tuck and roll into some sticks and they are toast.
  • 48 2
 Who the hell at pearl izumi decided mesh, yes mesh, was a good idea to cover the padding on knee pads? Their market in hooker tights must have declined or something...
  • 9 0
 As long as Dainese keep making the Armoform Pro that's fine, nobody else needs to bother.
  • 8 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: If it makes for a light, breathable knee pad I'm okay with it. If they breathe better than the Dainese Trail Skins 2 I'd happily wear them knowing theres a chance they could get damaged in a crash. Much better than not wearing knee pads because they're too hot.
  • 5 0
 Pearl Izumi Elevate guard makes your knees looks like shins.
  • 5 0
 @ratedgg13: You find the Trail Skins 2 to be hot?
They're the best ventilated pads I've ever used.
  • 11 0
 Those g-forms look to be cut from a cheap office rug...
  • 2 0
 I know a great knee surgeon if you need one.
  • 3 0
 Seriously man. Sick of all the junk products but people buy them.
  • 4 3
 @Tinshield: I’ve learned (the expensive way) to avoid anything that says (or looks like) “Welded Construction”...aka: cheaply glued on and will come unglued in 3 rides...like those Race Face pads are....actually every piece of Race Face soft goods I’ve seen lately looks extremely poorly made, like those fanny packs on the front page.
  • 4 0
 @Dustfarter: Sorry should have clarified. The Trail Skins 2 are the only ones I've ever been willing to use, because they DO breathe well. If the Pearl Izumis are better, I'd gladly pay the price and take the risk.
I just won't use anything that doesn't breathe well.
  • 2 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: Someone who doesn't like sweaty knees I would guess... They look like the best choice out of the bunch to me.
  • 4 0
 @ratedgg13: They are super comfortable. I have both of the Pearl pads and they are both far more comfortable to ride in than any of my four other sets of pads. No problem pedaling in them for 3+ hours.
  • 2 2
 @jorgeposada: really great guy, just got a new Yeti.
  • 2 0
 @Trudeez: congratulations
  • 2 1
 @hardcore-hardtail: what I am realizing from these comments. Is there are three types of people.
1 - People who wear knee pads because the use them often enough their knees would be garbage otherwise(durability is important to these folks - this includes me)
2 - Sweaty knee having hypochondriacs
3 - People who get sweaty knees and have disposable income
  • 6 0
 Yeah, my issue with some of the newer lightweight pads is that while the pad is burly, the material that wraps is way too thin and tear easily. They should match stoutness of the pad with the material that wraps. D30 and pantyhose is not a good match.
  • 1 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: Elevate your CC by buying more every time you wipe out!
  • 1 0
 @pistol2ne: if you look real close, they have credit karma printed on the straps
  • 2 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: I have seen this mesh survive slides down slickrock so I think it's plenty durable.
  • 2 0
 @PAmtbiker: I guess you're right. I'm making a big assumption, based on my own experience of mesh never being durable. Well, I take that back...Maybe the mesh from a handheld fishing net has proven to be pretty durable. The more I think about it, that type of mesh might be ok in this application....thanks for inviting me to give this deeper thought. There probably is a way to make it adequately durable to have the benefits outweigh the negatives for most people....
  • 1 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: judging by the fact that the machine washable g-form pads need to be washed in their bag, the same as laddie’s lingerie, doesn’t give me hope.
  • 1 0
 It makes sense my RaceFace Ambush they are 5 years old .... it s like the singer maschine the black one the steel one , well that shit is still working after 40 years... and now they are all made from plastic.
  • 1 0
 @JonyA: are you talking about sewing machines? The old singers are timeless
  • 1 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: PI 2021 line up will include a fish net and sequin lineup.
  • 1 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: yes , that one
  • 40 2
 They all look like ladies tights to me
  • 6 0
 Winner winner chicken dinner .
  • 9 0
 Yea, the mesh backing looks really bad. I imagine that fabric is not going to be as durable either.
  • 20 0
 Lulu Lemon yoga pants with D3O technology.
  • 8 0
 @Lastpikd: Indeed. I have the 7IDP Sam Hill which has a similar backing and after a few snags from pedals pins they have multiple holes and tears. I have been told it looks like purposefully torn lingerie
  • 2 0
 @phalley: after one season mine are absolutely destroyed in the back. It’s the only reason I’m looking for something else. It’s a shame because they might be the most comfortable pads ever! I’m taking a strong look at the new trail skins pro.
  • 5 0
 @vandall: Ya, seems like the pad makers this year bought up all of the lululemon leftover fabric that was "too shear"
  • 25 0
 Can't wait to try those Pearl Izumi's when they are discounted 50%.
  • 4 0
 They look really good and comparable to what i believe the benchmark is, 7idp. Bot quite the sam hill 7idp version with the extra donut, but id imagine v2 may. High thigh, open knee back, looks like a win.
  • 19 0
 Almost no one will like those gforms, pearl izumis and pocs, yet that’s what 99% of shops will carry. Throw in a bontrager and specialized for good measure and we’ll all continue to shop online.
  • 1 0
 sad but true
  • 7 0
 What do people like? Honestly curious.
I currently use iXs myself.
  • 1 0
 @climblikeatoad: troy lee kgl5450 7 years now, have looked at the other options but the TLD just work and tick all the boxes..
  • 2 0
 My wife loves the new Gforms, for what it's worth. She says they are super comfortable and stay put.
  • 3 0
 Issue is websites buy then en mass, then chuck them out barely above what they’ve paid. When you sell 100’s of them a month you can deal with the lower margin.

You can’t expect a shop to stock something that they know they’ll struggle to get any return on. If they offer a price match then they’ll maybe make 10%, if they don’t then they’ll be sat on dead stock for ages.

The reason so many shops will stock bits from Bontrager, Specialized etc is because of the support they will give dealers so they can keep the doors open.
  • 3 0
 @ad15: agreed had a set for 7 years too, recently replaced them with Leatt Airflex Pro, they’re also right up there with the TLD KG5450
  • 1 0
 I'm a big fan of TLD Raid knee and elbow pads
  • 5 0
 @mars-bar-man: The majority of current year knee pads are selling for suggested retail price at all major online retailers, the same as they would in a shop. Shops can take note and start selling the brands people want (fox, 7idp, Troy lee, ixs, 100%, etc.), or they can let the pearl izumis and gforms continue to collect dust while we’re all forced to shop online.
  • 2 0
 @skills25: i believe her, but how do they work in a crash?
  • 1 0
 Be thankful that your shops actually carry a range knee pads at all. Most shops around here don’t have any and if they do it’s one model by one brand in two sizes.
  • 2 0
 @Mac1987: They look like they will work well. They seem like they wouldn't move around in a crash. Unfortunately, our state just closed all parks, so we will have to wait and see!
  • 1 0
 @skills25: so are mine. My ixs with the mesh in back tore in one day and are half as comfortable. So for any days I pedal it’s the g forms.
  • 1 0
 @climblikeatoad: Bluegrass Skinny (elbow & knee), chosen for tech type of riding I do and the fact I sweat like a whore in church.
  • 1 0
 @climblikeatoad: My older 7idps have the hard shell on front & nice padding, but are super light & comfy. Staying together too 4th season now!
  • 15 0
 Winner is IXS Flow evo+
  • 1 0
 I love my IXS flows as well , but the X Matter inserts have snapped on both pairs i have owned, right where it flexes as you pedal. I have tried gluing them back together but no joy. No chance of getting replacement inserts either so unfortunately they're heading for the bin and I'm going to try something else for this summer.
  • 1 0
 @rockfield: Go the Leatt 3DF's if they work for your leg shape.
Love mine, no longer have to push the pads down on the climbs, just leave them up as they are so comfy.
  • 2 0
 @rockfield: the same thing happened to mine, in the wash. I used Lepage flexible plastic adhesive. Home Depot carries it.
It welds the foam back together permanently, and I've been using them for 2 season since. Good as new.
  • 12 0
 IXS wins the knee pads for me
  • 9 1
 Why can't pads have straps? Whenever I get sleeve type armor, it never fits right. Straps let you adjust the fit perfectly, and also gives you the option of putting them over clothes. My knee have 4 straps and never move when I'm wearing to the point I forget they are there.
  • 23 1
 The Race Face pads have straps, and the G-forms have a strap at the top, but the fashion police may come after you if you're wearing them over jeans.
  • 4 0
 Opposite for me. I was always readjusting my straps. My most recent knee pads are the slip on 7idp Sam Hill model. I put them on and adjust once in ~10 minutes after the pad is warm and malleable. After that they'll stay put for 30 miles and are still comfortable mid Summer. Won't be going back.
  • 5 0
 @sspiff: agreed on all points. The 7idp Sam Hill's are the best knee pads I've used
  • 2 0
 @sspiff: you’re spot on however mine are destroyed in the back from snags. I’m considering the new trail skins pro. Better ventilation and some straps to lock it down.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: damn, knee/shin pads over black skater-boi-emo jeans is my go-to attire.
  • 1 0
 @sspiff: I loved my sam hills still one crash ripped the shit out of them.
  • 9 2
 Can some manufacturer please please make a good knee pad without massive branding on them. I don't want to be your billboard.
  • 6 0
 Wait a few more months and Amazon Basics will come out with a knock-off and minimal branding.
  • 2 0
 @vandall: that's dark
  • 6 1
 Shin guards, where are the shin guards?

I'm way more concerned about smacking my shins on the bike, the pedals, or getting tore up by bushes.

You can always add knee pads, but what we need are quality shin guards.

Right now I'm using soccer sleeves with a soft pad in the shin pocket, works okay but not really designed for bike abuse
  • 2 0
 As someone who just split their shin open to the bone with a 2” cut, I second this. Those flat pedals win medals but they hurt when used improperly ????. Seems like one could make y’all socks with a thin insert or Kevlar type front that would serve the purpose.
  • 1 0
 @ryan83: Have a look at the Race Face Flanks. They also have the trap system like the Roam so you don't have to remove shoes and a fairly clever way of loosening them off for pedalling. Very Burly.
  • 1 0
 the Troy lee 5450 have a shin option, been using them for years, bloody brilliant and really comfortable too
  • 6 0
 Rode with the Race Face Roam yesterday, super comfy. I am usually super picky about knee protection comfort. Haven't had a good crash yet but soon to come.
  • 4 0
 Anyone else really confused about the current generation of knee pads? In the past, we had ventilated plastic shells that took a beating, let air through and would side down the trail. Now we have heavy-ass d3o that doesn't breathe, covered in fabric that doesn't let air flow, gets trashed and doesn't slide on the trail. How exactly is this progress? Makes super-mega-boost-plus seem like a good idea.
  • 2 0
 No mention of CE certification other than the PI Summit. There are plenty of comfortable level 1 options on the market. Finding level 2 pads that are comfortable to wear on longer trail rides is more challenging. The 7idp Project Knee is the best i've found so far but they're not nearly as comfortable as my Fox Enduro Pros (level 1).
  • 2 0
 The RF ROAM knees are CE certified for impact protection. We proudly use D3O foam pieces in our protection line because it offers fully CE certified impact protection. We designed the ROAM to be comfortable on longer riders - we involved our roster of top end racers and riders in developing this new knee pad to be sure we were delivering all day pedaling comfort and protection.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: are they level 2?
  • 6 0
 @raceface: Are these replacing the Ambush knee pads? or is this intended to be a lighter duty pad and having its own spot in the line up? I love my Ambush knee pads - they've been great to me for years.
  • 1 0
 those 7idp guards are also only level 1 certified...
  • 1 0
 @VinzenzFSR: Hi Vizenz, Th Sam Hill and Project Knee are Level 2 certified.
  • 4 0
 Sixsixone pads still rule the roost as far as I’m concerned. Kevlar coverings and proper shape. Now if they’d just friggin make the Kyle Strait pads again.....
  • 4 0
 I'll stick to my brown Roach knee-to-ankle, Made in Vancouver protection that I never wear anyway.
  • 4 0
 7iDP Sam Hills...maybe these Troy Lee Stage pads compete but I doubt it. Plus they are Level 2 protection.
  • 1 0
 Hard to judge cause it looks like the wearer needs to size down.
  • 3 1
 7idp Sam Hill or GTFO imo. I ride with mine 3x a week and wash them once a week. I get a solid year before they start getting pretty beat up and get relegated to the muddy day duty and get a fresh one for daily usage.
  • 2 0
 Agreed. About to pick up a pair of lites.
  • 1 0
 Mine made it one crash. Now the outer cover is destroyed on one. Cheap outer cover unfortunately.
  • 2 0
 I bought the Troy Lee Designs "Raid Knee Guards" (different from what is above) and love them. Was tired of the Pocs sliding down on every bump/jump. Would recommend the Raids.
  • 1 0
 They are my daily. Getting a set of Stage's to try out for a bit. Hoping they have that nice calf lock around the back like the Raids. The images above I'm fairly certain the author got a size too big for them. Have seen several pros running them late fall, early winter and they seemed far more contoured than the images above. Magazine pics can be a nightmare or a blessing for a product.
  • 1 0
 I go between my 661, alpine stars and dakine knee pads, depending on the type of riding and how bad they might stink. And for that reason you just need more than a couple knee pads. But I'm interested in moving to a lighter moto styled pad since I've stopped wearing shorts and moved to different types of lightweight moto pants w/o the wild logos. With pads, logos and graphics are not an issue, but protection and fit is. The moto products I've seen on line seem to be more adjustable and built better, in some cases, for not any more money. This article has gotten me off my ass to go out to a moto shop bringing my mtb pads to make a proper comparison. Thanks PB!
  • 1 0
 The new gform is disappointing, why did they move to the fabric style finish on the pads I wonder? I have been using the original design for a number of years now both for DH and moto under my riding pants for low key days and they have held up awesome ! I kinda agree with the first comment, first impression was not positive. The goal is comfort/stay in place, good protection, good venting, and NOT bulky and robust. E.g. washing machine/drying without thinking about water temp/soap, delicate cycle. Like throw it in or hose it off / dry and stuff back in gear bag.
  • 2 0
 I have had both the old and the new gforms and will say without hesitation that the new ones are better. They are just as comfortable, stay in place on your leg better, just as wash friendly and more durable. My first gen gforms were great, but the padding tore up pretty easily when they were used. The fabric over the padding on the new gforms is quite tough/helps resist tearing and also slides a bit better over surfaces so it's less likely to snag on objects.
  • 4 0
 those race face pads win. I love the designs where you can take them off and put them on easily.
  • 3 0
 I’ve been using the 3/4 length Raceface Ambush pads for 4 years and they have saved my knees countless times. Still in great shape.
  • 1 0
 I caution against the models that are super thin and breathable beyond the actual knee pad area. My teen son just had a fairly big crash on a jump and his shifter tore a hole in his TLD knee pads that have the full coverage material. Anything less would have resulted in some leg damage I am sure. I also prefer the thicker material when riding involves contacting your inner leg against the seat or top tube during aggressive trail riding and jumping.
  • 1 1
 Had several pairs of knee pads over the last years, and examined a good deal of others. One can argue about their aesthetics, ergonomics, etc, but I think in terms of durability, materials and construction POC is simply head and shoulders above the others
  • 1 0
 Boomer here, still wearing full hard shelled knee and shin guards. Doesn’t anyone else worry about the sharp pins on their flat pedals? Or do the knee high black socks provide enough protection....
  • 5 0
 You think you can hide from the pins son? really boy? The pins are gonna get you no matter where you run, where you hide...your shins are gonna taste that cold steel vengeance or my name isn't Shinburger you lowly little soft knee'd maggot!!!
Sincerely,
Every pedal ever made
  • 1 0
 Scott Grenade with the extra shin pads. Thank me later.
  • 3 0
 Not a boomer. Don’t care about pins because its going to happen. Genuinely curious as to why there are so few knee/shin guard options on the market. My old Fox hardshells have saved my tibias more than once. Would love a newer/better vented option.
  • 2 0
 IXS Have been solid for several years. I have a hard time dropping on average $100 for mesh that I know won’t last a season.
  • 3 0
 Been riding in the Pearl Izumis. They're pretty light, breathe well, and stay in place well.
  • 1 0
 +1
Been using Gform for some years still in the original design as it just works for DH & enduro racing
Getting pro rugged ready to ride later in year post lockdown maybe late summer way it looks now
  • 1 0
 I'm not convinced that soft shell knee pads are worth a cent. I'll stick to my IXS Daggers thank you very much. The Race Face one looks interesting but doesn't really hold a candle to IXS' gear.
  • 1 0
 Just got the Roam pads. Hmmm... I think I was expecting better (I've also had Ambush pads for a few years now).

RF's sizing is a little off. I'm right in the middle of XL but I feel like I'm on the very edge of going XXL.
  • 3 0
 This is the article I kneed, time for new pads soon!
  • 3 0
 When Pond Beaver says we might need knee pads, I listen.
  • 1 0
 Pond Beaver Tough AF don't need no sissy pads or raingear !
  • 2 0
 I own both sets of Pearl Izumi knee pads and can say they are the best I've ever owned
  • 2 0
 POCito makes sense for those with growing kids.
  • 1 0
 Good thing that there are some knee/shin guards featured. I like the additional protection they provide.
  • 2 0
 No adjustable straps, no sale.
  • 2 0
 Leatt airflex. Work for me.
  • 1 0
 @DHhack: can agree. Had very good experience with the airflex knees.

The elbows on the other hand, not so much. Way too much material and in an off they would take the first impact and then move. Material would easily tear and I'd get cut up nonetheless.
  • 1 0
 Been running the airflex elbows and been super impressed by them, Knees I'm tempted by the airflex pros but I still feel I need something a touch beefier so still running the 3DF 5.0.
  • 1 0
 What shoes are the model in the photos wearing? I am looking for a new pair of clipless shoes with covers over the laces.
  • 1 0
 Am I the only one that likes a knee pad that I don't have to take my shoes off to put on?
  • 1 0
 Can you put any of them in the washing machine? This is pretty important, but so few allow it
  • 1 0
 With most of these being sold online I can't cope with six size breaks...
  • 1 0
 Got the stage pads. Decent. Light, comfortable.
  • 1 0
 Love my Dakine Slayer pads. Comfortable, affordable and great protection.
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