77designz Issues Precautionary Recall on One-Piece Stem

Mar 15, 2021
by Alicia Leggett  
77designz Bar Stem

77designz, a small German outfit that makes chain guides, bash guards, stems, and even a bike, has issued a precautionary recall on the brand's first two batches of stems.

The affected batch numbers are 1PS-35-35-B1, 1PS-35-45-B1, and 1PS-35-35-B2.

Anyone with an affected stem is advised to stop using it immediately and to contact 77designz for a replacement.

77designz says the problem is a material defect caused by a milling process issue during the raw plate production that caused the raw material not to have the same tensile strength in all directions. Because only random samples of raw material are tested in the quality control process, the defect wasn’t detected until recently.

To prevent future issues, 77designz now only uses raw material certified for aerospace use and has added reinforcement in critical areas of the stem. There have been no problems detected with the batches not included in the recall.

The full recall notice is available here.


173 Comments

  • 179 2
 Breaking news, eh?
  • 89 0
 77designz made a snap decision.
  • 86 7
 Now that the problem is fixed, they will charge you 8-12% more.
  • 93 0
 Glad they found where the problem was stemming from
  • 34 3
 I'm so glad that they've clamped down on the problem. I've been at my breaking point just thinking about it!
  • 21 1
 Luckily they cracked the issue... eventually...
  • 30 1
 It's nothing to stress about.
  • 23 1
 I guess they just couldn't piece this one together.
  • 3 13
flag focofox37 (Mar 15, 2021 at 14:07) (Below Threshold)
 "badabumbumboo" -business blaze
  • 11 1
 I don't see them in the comments. Guess they bolted.
  • 2 4
 We are one without there issue lol
  • 1 2
 @noapathy: I think they dont have a pinkbike account. I looked at a few of their press releases and they were never posted by 77designz. I could be wrong though.
  • 2 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: Someone steer him in the right direction. I'm feeling a little detached today for some reason.
  • 1 0
 I guess I could have caught the pun earlier.
  • 3 0
 Oh snap!
  • 116 2
 Will they be called 78designz now?
  • 18 1
 78th time lucky?
  • 52 1
 I got 77designz, but this ain't one.
  • 2 0
 This is good mate ! Upvote all the way
  • 2 0
 Perfect
  • 66 12
 Something isn't adding up. Why would a bike stem be designed to have a low enough factor of safety that the grain structure matters during production?

IME, they don't. It was a poor design with too little material thickness in critical areas. Sounds like their trying to convolute the answer.
  • 12 3
 I have da package from we are one and the only difference on the stem is these big chamfer on the sides. I'm pretty sure they were trying to get it even lighter and that is what would cause it to fail. That's just my hypothesis
  • 15 0
 @taoin123: as soon as you see that part of the fix for a material issue was to add reinforcing, your hypothesis starts to stand up pretty well
  • 16 11
 they're*
  • 85 5
 This is why they are called 77designz and not 77engineeringz.
  • 9 4
 @bogey: this. how many more beautiful lofted designs are we going to see without true fatigue, failure, and life testing? Well said bogey, well said.
  • 11 2
 I actually find it rather impressive they test material strength with respect to orientation and that they even have the means to do so.

I know of a few people who work in some of the small UK bike part manufacturers (manufacture myself but not bike industry) and can absolutely guarantee they don’t test their material, they trust the certs and that’s that, no problems in 10 years now but they don’t make ultra weight optimised stuff either.
  • 8 2
 They modified the recall notice to remove the "grain structure" reference. So now they're backtracking and trying to hide it. This seems shady.
  • 10 0
 I've been wondering this for several years now. Imo the stem is absolutely not the area to be counting a couple of tens of grams when strength is paramount to not losing all your teeth and breaking your neck. Way too many good, solid, strong options out there to be shaving grams.
  • 4 0
 @iliveonnitro: They still mention the materials directional strength so the reference remains even if the exact term ‘grain structure’ has been removed, so doesn’t seem too much like back tracking.
  • 15 1
 @justanotherusername: I just came here to assume malice and conspiracy instead of human error.
  • 5 1
 @bogey: Im happy im not the only one who doesnt like the zzzzz " im da realest of da realest from da streetz"
  • 11 2
 @bogey: I also think it might take about 77engineerz to explain how a milling machine can cause a material defect.
  • 4 2
 @taoin123: It doesn't add up. If the problem was the stem being too light in places, they would have recalled whole production and not just items form 3 specific batch numbers. Looking at how they openly presented the designing and strength testing (and failures) of their bike, it all looks quite honest.
  • 5 2
 @kpickrell: They don’t mean a milling machine - they mean the ‘machine’ / process which he material is put through prior to them receiving it.

E.g. it being rolled into plate, drawn into bar etc
  • 3 0
 @kpickrell: I think they meant mill as in aluminium mill, a place where aluminium is made, not a milling machine, maybe who knows
  • 3 1
 voids in the stock material can be a huge factor. so if a mashine in the production of the raw material fails this can result in faults in the end product. also the grain structure has huge effects in steel parts, should be the same for aluminium to some extend
  • 3 0
 Well, the microstructure (referred as grain structure) does have a major control on the strength of a material. It might be possible that the development of texture (arrangement of crystals) during processing (rolling, pressing, heating) creates anisotropy of tensile strength (directional strength)
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername and @kipvr: Ah my bad. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
  • 1 0
 @taoin123: I do have Da Package also and was looking at the 77Designz but something told me to go with the We are one without those big chamfer on sides.
  • 1 3
 @kodo28: Corners are stress risers, so chamfers are a lot better than a sharp corner,especially with carbon bars. Maybe the lip on the da package is thin enough to flex but imo that's not the case
  • 27 2
 I can't believe anyone w/ a brain would name a company 'designz' these days.
  • 12 1
 agreed, it sounds like a 12 year old's youtube channel
  • 3 0
 @mackay66: 12 year-olds can be VERY edgy, sometimes. Usually unintentionally.
  • 2 0
 Well the company's been around since when it was considered cool haha
  • 3 0
 Troy Lee Design(z)
  • 1 0
 I submit this YouTube channel for your consideration:

www.youtube.com/channel/UCUYpX_xdcWUgRjPZGpyWMAA

Wait for it.....
  • 1 0
 @suspended-flesh: hahahahahah thats perfect - designz should sponsor 'em
  • 27 8
 For anyone remotely interested in this stem, check out something with a higher level of engineering like NewMen's one piece or 2 piece forged stems.

Either

EVOLUTION SL 318.2 or

EVOLUTION SL 318.4

Jewelry.

The structure (grain alignment) and strength will always be superior in a forged part.

When I hear "Billet" I don't always hear high(er) quality, I hear "easier to make than forged"
  • 3 2
 Terrain control industries FTW!!
  • 8 0
 Ideally you would have the stem forged, then machined for finishing.
Forging has limitations in design and precision, but has the benefit of stronger grain structure.
Machining removes many of those design limitation, and can (possibly) result in a stronger product due to additional freedom in design/geometry.

Generally forging (high upfront cost) is economical in higher volume production, while machining (extremely expensive machining time per piece) is economical for low volume production.
  • 12 4
 you can machine from a forged billet.
  • 3 6
 Forging is superior but the factor of safety in a stem should be such that it isn’t required, there’s a reason most high end stems aren’t forged and don’t really ever fail either, unless you go super light of course.
  • 1 0
 I would have one of those but it lacks width. Extra width doesn't look good on the scale!
  • 3 1
 @conoat: What do you mean by 'forged billet'?
  • 2 0
 @DirtGuru2 is quite right. You don’t get climbing hardware, karabiners and the like, being milked out of billet. It’s all forged. That stuff breaks you die
  • 3 5
 @justanotherusername: I mean it's exactly what it sounds like. raw metal is forged into billets to gain strength and an advantageous grain structure, unlike an extruded or cast billet.
  • 3 5
 @conoat: I think you need to stick to being a 1500% higher earner than the rest of us and step away from the ‘engineering’ - you are confusing and conflating many terms.
  • 3 3
 @justanotherusername: bruh, are you trying to say there aren't forged billets that things are then machined from? I will let you do a quick googling to get on the adult page here...
  • 3 8
flag justanotherusername (Mar 16, 2021 at 2:02) (Below Threshold)
 @conoat: no ‘bruh’ I’m saying you don’t really understand you mean by forged billet, how its application would be used here and why it would be advantageous.
  • 5 5
 @justanotherusername: I do, I just have no incentive to type out a 1000 words explaining that, I know this is going to blow your hair back but, Not everything exists in the binary manner your brain wants/needs it to. I never said that getting forged raw billets and machining a stem from them was a good idea(cost, time), I simply said it's possible.

now kindly go dip your head in a bucket of maple syrup.
  • 4 8
flag justanotherusername (Mar 16, 2021 at 3:19) (Below Threshold)
 @conoat: hilarious - you mean you don’t have the time to copy and paste from Wikipedia?

how’s the air up there on your ignorant, arrogant high horse?

You really are captain bullshit, engineer, bike industry man, investor and payer of 1500% more tax to use the roads than the rest of us.... brilliant.
  • 3 6
 @justanotherusername: am I under your thin Canadian skin yet? It seems like it.
  • 3 8
flag justanotherusername (Mar 16, 2021 at 4:25) (Below Threshold)
 @conoat: pay attention buttercup - I’m English, born in England, business in England, not even been to Canada.

It’s ok, go check your investments and cool down.
  • 3 1
 @justanotherusername: oh f*ck not the canadian flag thing again .... didn't this happen before, you should change it again
  • 3 2
 @justanotherusername: well, I am not English(thank the lord jeebus. you're a subjegated lot...).

that said, thin skin apparently follows the crown nontheless.
  • 1 4
 @Compositepro: I like it, it gets the a*sholes like Conoat flowing with his casual bigotry as can be seen above - first babbling about maple syrup when he thought I was Canadian, then some jibberish about the crown... poor lad.
  • 1 4
 @justanotherusername: I knew I got in there, you muppet.

Fwiw, the only thing I am bigoted against is blowhards. So it would stand to reason that *you* sense it from me
  • 2 3
 @conoat: you knew you got in where?

You chose to insult me with bigotry against an entire nation rather than insult me directly so therefore you are a bigot, by definition, you can wear that ‘crown’

I wouldn’t judge all Americans as being arrogant, ignorant, bigots just because you are, that would be rather unfair.
  • 3 2
 @justanotherusername: so touchy! you think offhanded jabs about stereotypical, nationality based jokes is bigotry? like for real, mate? come the f*ck on. You own a computer, so you have to be more of an adult than that. either that or you are a world class little bitch. sheesh.
  • 2 4
 @conoat: You seem to be the one getting a little worked up, don’t you think? You know I said you were ignorant? Well here is the definition of bigotry:

‘obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group’

Wear your crown of bigotry with pride!

I’ll get on with being ‘a world class little bitch’ - good one! It’s a shame but we can’t all be 1500% better then the average guy.

Time for you to take a nap? Making yourself look like a class a idiot must be tiring?
  • 4 1
 those Evolution stems are ugly as hell ...they look like some $10 crap from AliExpress
  • 1 0
 @conoat: But wouldn't that mean advantageous grain structure and strength in only on direction, irrespective of the shape of the part and it's needs, stresses and dynamic loads?
  • 2 3
 @DirtGuru2: yes. it would. you can overcome that a bit with orientating the billet when machining.

there is no perfect manufacturing technique for something that gets loaded dynamically on all three axis'. You have to prioritize for the main force loads, then over build for the others.
  • 2 5
 @conoat: lol, that’s a hilarious explanation. Do you have any background in engineering whatsoever?!
  • 1 2
 @justanotherusername: yes. do you have any background in being likeable, whatsoever?
  • 1 0
 @conoat: I am afraid I am repellant against arrogant shit talkers, often because they don’t like me questioning them on their ludicrous lack of actual knowledge, bigoted, arrogant, ignorant nature or disturbing lack of compassion for other human beings. E.g. yourself.
  • 1 2
 @justanotherusername: sure is, cowboy! glad to have another follower!!! lol. You will really like it when I start talking shit about English nancy boys and their desire to be dominated. buckle up, buttercup!
  • 2 1
 @conoat: oh wow. you really are a messed up individual! Looking at the stuff you wrote on there I would say almost mentally ill, seriously.

How does a ‘former bar manager’ come by such engineering and financial knowledge by the way? - and how the hell did you come to pay 1500% more than other people to drive on London’s roads?

Take it easy ‘Literal Patriarchy’ - you are one crazy guy, and I mean that literally.
  • 1 2
 @justanotherusername: I could explain it to you, but I feel like you might be afraid of hard work, personal responsibilty, and taking risk while holding no one else responsible for the outcome.

get back to your wretched NHS, I think you might have a bad case of vaginal leakage.
  • 1 0
 @conoat: oh dear... delusional too.

Go collect some empty glasses....
  • 21 1
 Dudes loosing sleep on this but have had a Takata claymore in their dashboard or steering wheel for 3 years like “f@ck it”
  • 15 1
 first question, if your gonna buy anything minimalistic on your bike, why would you choose the stem.
  • 10 0
 Maybe better than cheap Chinese carbon bars. Maybe.
  • 12 0
 @Bkdjr2000: a tree branch is better than cheap Chinese carbon bars
  • 13 1
 Anybody else see this and yet still want to buy the stem?
  • 1 0
 yep. Any good attention...
  • 2 0
 @blcpdx: Indeed! Now there is a lower cost competitor to the Enve cockpit I've been saving for . . . hmm.
  • 4 1
 I almost bought one in January, but felt like it didn't look up to task. I guess I was right...
  • 4 0
 @RonSauce:
They're DH certified but super light.. I just got mine, it looks sick!
Will need to check the batch number though just to be safe.
  • 7 1
 @Mr-Gilsch: I know, it was almost the first aftermarket stem i bought in 4 years, then I decided if I dont have confidence in a part like that I shouldn't buy it. I felt like a paranoid coward, now I feel like I was smart.

I does look cool, but my teeth and jaw look cool too.
  • 13 3
 There was a time when high end component makers didn't use ANYTHING except aircraft grade certified materials... it was a big marketing point for many of them.
  • 1 0
 Burgtec?
  • 19 0
 I remember marketing pushing 6061 and other common alloys used for components as “aerospace grade” for years, but I never remember anyone claiming “aerospace certified raw material”, which is something entirely different.
  • 11 0
 @ninjatarian: Yup, aerospace grade is a worthless term in aviation, if you don't have a certificate it's worthless - whatever component that may be.
  • 2 0
 @Ooofff: Burptec. For those moments when you overfeed.
  • 2 1
 Define ‘aircraft grade’ - we only use certified material here at work but they often come from different mills and we trust the certs that come with them (we aren’t making stems though)

To most aircraft grade means the actual grade of the material, e.g. 7075 etc, not the certification that accompanies it, especially as the intention for most 7075 is in aircraft / high mechanical load applications, why pay for it otherwise?
  • 5 0
 I think the problem these days and we certainly have it in my day job with aerospace supplied material in Europe is that when you buy aluminium billet it isn’t from billet anymore by which I mean rectangular or square extruded and cold worked , it’s often cut from plate ,which can mean hot rolled , cold rolled or cold rolled and stress relieved or rolled and stress relieved by controlled stretching ,the whole “it matches this specification “ is a bit of a shit really ,unless you specify min yield per cross section and or grain direction you can get material with the grain running opposite to where you wanted to be in relation to the part. It sounds like this is what’s gone Pete tong ......bloody plate cut material
  • 4 0
 Another bloke I know also said with the type of riding that goes on these days it’s up to you if you want less material but a stem isn’t that place for it to happen
  • 2 1
 @Compositepro: we had 6082 supplied to us 7075 once, that was fun - we notice when 3 tools on a programme we have run thousands of parts off on grenaded for no good reason.

Never did find out if it was the supplier or the mill and if it was deliberate or a genuine mistake.

Wouldn’t at all surprise me about the variation in the definition of ‘billet’ or what they consider the correct grade anymore, we have material that looks and cuts differently from the same parent material sometimes.....
  • 2 1
 I gather the tool heads were detonating because 6082 is about half the strength and surface hardness of 7075 (comparing the same temper states that is) and the cutting edge was digging in and getting stuck.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: thats scary .... we used to have to hardness test as part of the procedure , the loss of departments and downsizing of departments saw that go by the wayside and its a check that picks that kind of thing up , i dont know what goes on any more ,
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: yea pretty much, we managed to achieve a higher feed rate in 7075 in this case 6 and 4mm end mills) as it is so much less ‘gummy’ (technical term haha) than 6082/ 6061 - you just heard the tool ‘load up’ and ping off if goes, Of course you replace it as these things can happen and ping, there goes the next one leading to some more thorough investigation....

@Compositepro - Yea - we were pretty upset as you can imagine and actually received compensation from the stockholder, we had all of the certs etc and numbers matched but it was tested and was 6082 not 7075.
  • 3 0
 @ninjatarian: Can't believe they will be changing to "certified" material. Cost would be ridiculous. This thing was 69g FFS so I think that is far more likely to be the explanation.
  • 1 0
 @G-Sport: What do you mean by certified?

Every single order we make for aluminium is accompanied by certification, it tells you its composition and where it was produced, if material is mixed from different 'parent' batches it is all marked on the material and the certs are provided to show this.

We pay no extra for this, order our material from a completely standard supplier, not an aerospace specialist, every supplier we have ever used besides some wierd back-street guys we only used once supplied certs - standard practice.

I am not ISO approved but believe ISO shops cant use anything but material with certification.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: I work at an ISO shop and we cannot use any material that does not have a cert and we take it a step further and test all material to make sure it is the correct grade. We also order material with the grain pointed out so that we can align with the part depending on need.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: @blurringthelines:
Sorry, I should have put "Aerospace certified". Occasionally in the past I have had to buy actual aerospace certified material because the size I need is sold out in the normal "commercial certified" lengths. Price has been between 3x and 5x, because every single length of tube was tested and had a full report of its own.
The press release used the phrase "certified for aerospace use" which to me sounds pretty unequivocal.

Also; 69g!!!!
  • 8 0
 I had a batch 1 split along the centre but thankfully saw it. Was only offered a replacement (no refund). They said i would be given a new batch that surpass the previous quality checks.... 6 months later I see this. My batch 2 stem that I am currently riding is a 45mm, yet it appears to be missed from the recall? Russian roulette......
  • 1 0
 Missing from the recall means there is no issue with that batch so your stem should be fine. I had an issue with a RaceFace Turbine stem where they'd made the face plate slightly too small so it cracked when tightened, I rode for about 3 days in Wales before I noticed it.... I was sent a replacement but RF did a recall on the original face plate design a few months later. I've been riding that stem for about 8 years now so it's not a worry.
  • 8 0
 Does this affect the We Are One stem also ????
  • 4 0
 seems like this would be important clarification to have
  • 4 0
 It would be nice to hear from either or both companies on this but from 77Designz website:

"We are One Composites from Kamloops / BC in Canada is the manufacturer of our handlebars and distributes a conceptually identical cockpit in North America"
  • 3 0
 We Are One machines their own stems in Canada and almost certainly have a different source of raw material than 77designz. And they would do a similar recall announcement if their stems were affected.
  • 1 0
 @cedrico: Huh I was under the impression that 77 designz was supplying the stems to WAO.
  • 25 0
 @ontopoftheworld - This does not affect Da Stem that we produce in our Kamloops facility with locally sourced raw materials.Thanks for checking with us.
  • 9 1
 They’re in the Pole position now...
  • 7 0
 If you’re have girl problems I feel bad for you son, I got 77 problems and a stem is one.
  • 7 0
 Did anyone else google that stem just to see a better photo of the stem?
  • 1 0
 Have one, 1PS-35-45-B5 so I guess I'm safe. Stupid light and looks great. I don't take my bars off very often so I don't see the issue with single bolt stems. But would it take more then 2 minutes to take the grips shifter, dropper and brake levers off?
  • 1 0
 I was actually considering this product-with a big fork and 29er wheels, my flat bars are near level with my seat.

But there were no reviews, and I’ve had bad luck with light stems. This announcement means this one would just live down to expectations.

Anodize it purple (3D violet) and it could be one of the cool looking garbage products of the mid 1990s.
  • 1 0
 I had a period of testing super light weight stems to shave some weight (stupid). This one was the flexiest of the tested stems (newmen, Intend Grace en were also tested). It is truly beautiful, but I never felt it was safe for my weight (220 ish). Nowadays I only run stems weighing about double of this one.
  • 2 0
 Maybe I should be worried I'm pushing 250:P. Seriously though it'll just fall into my preride checks on my bikes. I've had too many stupid nearly kill myself moments over the years from not looking at the bike before heading out
  • 3 2
 It's so funny to see these pricey rainbow colored machined stems so popular when a near net forged stem is lighter, stronger and usually cheaper. It's like were back in the 90's with all that machined shit breaking, have we learned nothing?
  • 1 1
 Well all the ‘machined shit’ isn’t breaking though, is it?
  • 1 0
 If I were to design my own steerer/stem/bar setup I would machine splines at the interfaces. You would have less needed clamping force, adjustability in 3 (or your preference) exact degrees of rotation, and know your stem is square to the fork 100% of the time. The tube walls would need to be slightly thicker, but the force would be evenly distributed so you wouldn't be relying on a thin plate or rib to keep your teeth intact- it would just have to locate, not necessarily squeeze. Works pretty good for cranks, and they see serious torque
  • 2 0
 And when you crash and your bars are against your ribs while the front wheel hits a tree? Wouldn't you rather adjust a slipped stem back to position than spend a few months nursing a broken rib or two?
  • 5 0
 whoopsie daisy
  • 3 1
 Really love the design, but this stem is a bitch to take off. Not only that, I actually have to physically mess it up so it's unusable for the recall.
  • 3 0
 Yeah. single-bolt stems have a purpose I suppose, but being able to swap stems without demounting the grips, levers, shifters off one side of your bars is not something I personally want to give up
  • 1 0
 @muumuu: Yeah. I thought single-bolt stems weren't a thing anymore. I recall Salsa had to do a big recall on their single bolt "Cromoto" stems a while back. From a design perspective, having one bolt back up the other seems very sensible.
  • 1 1
 @rodeostu, @muumuu just an FYI - this isn't really a single-bolt design like the Cromoto. If you google this stem the design is similar to Renthal Duo.
  • 1 0
 @iJak: Oh, thanks. The picture in the article misleadingly makes it look like a one-bolter.
  • 2 0
 @rodeostu: do you remember/know the Odyssey Elementary stem? Absolutely amazing design with one single bolt. Ssome people have had slippage due to under torquing it and/or using handlebars without knurling or not using grease on the wedges. One of the best stems I've ever owned and I still run it on the street Bmx... about 15 years now or so? They can work and can bey light. 230g
  • 1 0
 @Brklss: No, I don't know that one. Is it a quill (i.e., non-threadless) stem? I think they generally only had one bolt.
  • 1 0
 @rodeostu:

Nope! It’s a modern, threadless stem but I don’t think it’s in production anymore.

wallerbmx.co.uk/products/odyssey-elementary-stem-v2
  • 2 0
 @Brklss: Sorry been out of production a while now. Glad you still like it.
  • 2 0
 @G-Sport: The legend enters the chat! Glad to hear you're still around. Rock on!
  • 4 0
 Next week: 77designz announces price increases or 8-12%
  • 1 1
 I have seen two i9 face plates crack, I believe all the top notch 7075 al goes to aerospace sector suppliers like they mention above in the article. For note after my i9 face plate cracked I got da package. Which uses a version of the stem in the article ...
  • 3 0
 This is good. These people noticed the mistake in time and reacted quickly. This is indeed remarkable.
  • 4 2
 When is look at these comments, my "wrong planet" feeling kicks in.
Guys.... wtf is wrong with you?
  • 3 0
 Precautionary recall... Is there still a part of you that wants to live?
  • 1 1
 Ha ha ha ha ha, there is no material defect, the shit is just to thin for rowdy riders on long ass bars. What did the Germans think would happen? Have we learned nothing sense the Hindenburg disaster?
  • 1 2
 Welcome to the 1990s when anyone with a machine shop or wanabe machine shop thought they could design and make bike parts. A whole new generation gets to loose face over weak, light CNC parts because their makers know nothing of metallurgy or adequate design verification and validation. Those who can't be bothered to know the history aof the bike industry re destined to repeat it.
  • 2 0
 77 ways to die. Choose 1.... PS-35-35-B1
  • 1 0
 Anyone remember carrying spare Thompson faceplates around and not really making a big deal about cracking one?
  • 3 3
 Single clamping bolt on the bars AND steerer is a hard pass for me. Oh, and they crack!!! Shocker!
  • 4 1
 It’s a two bolt steerer clamp. The lower portion of the stem is obscured by the handlebar in the photo.
  • 1 1
 What would be wrong with the single clamping bolts on the bars had this stem been made strong enough?
  • 2 2
 Well this helps with my decision making on the 77 vs intend stem. Order being placed with Herr Kapfinger.
  • 1 0
 Does this apply to the WAO Da Bar Stems?
  • 2 0
 No their stems are manufactured in loops with different source of materials
  • 2 0
 @TyBrenninger - This does not affect Da Stem that we produce in our Kamloops facility with locally sourced raw materials. Thanks for checking with us.
  • 2 1
 Apparently a ‘Z’ substituting an ‘S’ wasn’t enough of a red flag
  • 1 1
 Do they sell their chalupas ????
  • 1 1
 MA ANDATEVENE A CAGARE
  • 1 2
 What kind of quality does random sampling???
  • 3 0
 Most quality control testing is done through random sampling.
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