First Look: Banshee's Prototype Phantom 29er - Sea Otter 2013

Apr 19, 2013
by Mike Levy  
Banshee Phantom 29er

This is Not a XC Race Whippet

Well designed short travel bikes have long held a special place in our heart, and we often ramble on about how much more fun a lot of trails can be on the right 'little bike'. It has become apparent that we aren't the only ones who think like this, though, with more and more companies offering shorter legged bikes that are truly intended to be ridden hard not just up a climb, but also on some serious terrain back down. Judging by the look of their new 100mm travel Phantom 29er, Banshee is one of those companies who also see the light. While the bike's travel isn't set in stone quite yet - it may be upped to 110 or 115mm - it is pretty clear to see that the crew at Banshee is not aiming to produce your typical 29''-wheeled race bike... relatively slack geometry, ISCG-05 tabs and Reverb Stealth routing, as well as Banshee's usual approach of favouring reliability and rigidity over maximum weight savings, all point to a machine that has been designed for riders who like to whoop it up on the downhills.

Phantom Details

• Short travel trail bike
• Rear wheel travel: 100mm (production could be 110 - 115mm)
• Utilizes Banshee's KS Link suspension
• 69° head angle w/ 120mm fork (1° adjustment via dropout positions)
• Reverb Stealth routing
• 12 x 142mm or 135mm QR dropouts
• ISCG-05 chain guide tabs
• Possible 2015 model year production
• MSRP: $2,000 USD apprx (frame w/ FOX Float CTD shock)

Banshee Phantom 29er


KS Link Suspension

The KS Link design employs two small forged links, shorter than those required of the older VF4B system that Banshee used to use. These stout links make for a very solid chassis, a fact that we can attest to after spending time aboard their 160mm travel Rune platform, and it also means that there should be less stress on each pivot bearing, thereby helping durability. Keith Scott, the man who pens each and every Banshee, and from where the KS Link takes its name from, has tweaked the pivot locations and suspension kinematics to meet the requirements of the short travel Phantom, but three of the four pivot locations are still captured within the frame, just as found on their long travel designs. While the Phantom likely isn't going to be the first choice for a true cross-country racer (and that's not the bike's intentions anyway), our experience on the Rune showed that the KS Link layout offers one of the more energetic rides out there right now - the Phantom will very likely provide the same performance.

Frame Details

There was a time when bikes with 100mm of travel had head angles that felt like they were close to 90° on anything
but flat trails, quick release axles front and back, and all sorts of silly weight saving "features". Banshee isn't the first company to buck that trend, but they certainly went to great lengths to appease the closet downhiller in all of the trail riders out there. The bike's seat tube is long enough to allow for a proper seat height, but its top tube drops down low and out of the way, even on the large sized bike shown here. Dropper posts have fast become the norm for many riders, and Banshee has designed-in a port on the lower section of the seat tube that allows riders to route the hose for their Reverb Stealth internally(there is also concession for external routing). Want to fit a chain guide to your 100m travel 29er? Go right ahead courtesy of the bike's ISCG-05 tabs. Banshee expects riders to fit forks between 120 and 140mm of travel to the front of the Phantom, and the bike allows for 1° of geometry adjustment to tune the handling to suit the fork and terrain via a three-position dropout setup.

Banshee Phantom 29er
Banshee Phantom 29er

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49 Comments
  • 6 0
 This looks like a blast and sounds like how i ride my hard tail xc bike...
I'd love pick up a banshee rented a scythe a while back and that was a blast... too bad the bank account says thats the only scythe i'll be riding for a while Frown
  • 1 3
 I hear you there, my XC bike is set up for more down than up as well. This looks like a blast to ride, even if I don't like the way it looks.
  • 2 0
 Haha it's not setup for dh by any means but doesn't mean i don't give the stock dart 2 a good work out
  • 2 0
 more RAD work from Keith Scott Smile

looks like a Rampant 29'er with longer seat tube for pedalling duties

talking of the Rampant, when are going to see the Banshee Rampant migrate to the K.S. suspension / ball bearing platform?
  • 10 2
 holy rear wheel clearance !!!! Dont pick up any mud or you're grinding .
  • 8 0
 There is actuall way more clearance than that photo makes out. You can fit a 2.5" tire with at least 15mm to spare all round.
  • 1 2
 I don't know how much clearer that photo gets. Still looks like just millimeters of clearance to me.
  • 3 0
 The side struts are wider spaced than the tire... if you saw it from a different angle you'd see that there is lots of room.
  • 6 0
 Banshee just makes really sick bikes.
  • 7 2
 the downhill track is so flat you could probably win it on this
  • 4 0
 Looks like a DH guy's XC bike. Too bad I love the prime so much or I might consider getting one of these instead.
  • 2 0
 I got to sit on this bike yesterday, and I can tell you that from a 20 seconds ride I had a big smile on my face! Hurry up 2015
  • 2 0
 Solid bike! Makes me wish i bought a paradox instead of my on one scandal...
  • 1 0
 I will be upgrading from my Paradox in 2015 when this is released! Just added the Rune v2 to my stable and love the new KS link system!
  • 1 0
 @Builttoride (Keith) I know it's probably way too soon to say, but any ideas on what other colors this will be available in (if any)?? Can I pre order now, please?!? Haha
  • 2 0
 I think I'd need a ladder to get on that.
  • 1 0
 The stealth graphics are purdy. Looks like they masked off polished sections before bead blasting and then anodizing.
  • 1 0
 Must test ride for own sake. Period. May be selling Scott genius if the rear end if this feels more progressive.
  • 2 0
 Could really benefit from internal cable routing to clean those lines up!
  • 2 0
 Damn you Banshee, now I actually like a 29er Frown
  • 1 0
 I cannot wait to order this frame when it becomes available! I have already forewarned my wife of the purchase.
  • 1 0
 What brand is the Chainring....?
  • 2 0
 I'd ride it!
  • 1 0
 It looks like they attempted to keep the chain stays short. Any numbers?
  • 1 0
 17.1-17.3" as it currently stands, could go shorter but the weight distribution wouldn't be quite as good.
  • 1 0
 Large or XL is that proto?
  • 1 0
 I think that is the large proto. Aesthetically the L and XL look quite similar tho.
  • 3 1
 Thats a 29er with balls
  • 1 0
 So where does this put the Prime?
  • 4 0
 The Prime is a way more heavy duty frame with a lot more travel and slacker angles. The Phantom should fit in well with the Prime, sort of like the Spitfire is to the Rune.
  • 1 0
 why so many wires?
  • 4 4
 i spot proto race face xx1 ring?
  • 5 0
 With what looks like 10 speed shimano so bodes well for the 1x10 guys out there
  • 4 0
 This is NOT XX1. Standard 10-speed Shimano setup with one ring in the front, a standard Raceface Timberline with Next XC cranks. NOT XX1!
  • 1 0
 i know its not xx1, you can run xx1 chain and ring with 10 speed. Im saying its a proto xx1 ring by raceface. Look at the teeth profile on the ring.
  • 1 0
 i was wondering if you would chime in! thanks for the link i completely forgot about that.
  • 2 0
 Always lurking!
  • 1 0
 They might have the narrow/wide teeth but still don't have the tall teeth like the XX1 rings.
  • 1 0
 I've been testing my RF NW ring for well over 6 months w/o any type of guide and I've never dropped a chain. The NW tooth profile is what does the majority of the work.
  • 1 0
 Interesting. On 10 speed. Didn't know about these rings
  • 1 0
 Vital just put up an interview with Rob at RF showing off the new rings and the SIXC kit.
m.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/Race-Face-2013-Sea-Otter-Classic,20564/faultlinetv,5726
  • 1 0
 OK, fine: Race Face is releasing new XX1 rings Big deal, so is everyone else.

But 1) they wouldn't try it out on a Shimano 10-speed system and 2) LOOK AT THE f*ckING BIKE. If you still don't see what I'm saying, look at their website: the ring is a standard 9/10 speed single ring. raceface.com/components/rings/rings/single-ring
  • 1 0
 Look at the last picture, you can clearly see the alternating tooth profile.

Then look at the first, no guide. Do you think they would risk having a dropped chain on a demo bike?
  • 1 0
 Murdered out broz
  • 1 0
 Schwing!
  • 1 0
 This looks amazing!
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