California Dreaming: DVO Test Sessions

Feb 13, 2014
by Mike Kazimer  
 
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California Dreaming: DVO Test Sessions

Words and Photos: Mike Kazimer

VALENCIA, CA - A cold front was fast approaching the Pacific Northwest, and with a week of freezing temperatures in the forecast the timing couldn't have been better to take a trip down to California for a visit with DVO Suspension. The purpose of the trip was to put some miles on the company's highly anticipated Emerald fork and Jade rear shock, as well as to see where their innovative suspension designs are born. The company's headquarters are located in a small industrial park thirty miles north of Los Angeles, and while the actual manufacturing takes place in Taiwan, the bulk of the design work and testing takes place in this modest two story warehouse space.

A large, open workshop takes up the majority of the downstairs, with all the tools necessary to assemble and disassemble a fork or shock, and the latest models of various downhill bikes fill the workshop's corners, test sleds for DVO's new products. There's a suspension dyno connected to a laptop computer tucked up against one wall, a tool DVO uses to push their suspension products to the limit, monitoring factors like rebound, compression, and operating temperature. While the first floor is dominated by the workshop, the heart of the operation is upstairs, in a small office space that houses the workstations where ideas are converted into 3D computer drawings. A floor-to-ceiling whiteboard covers one entire wall, filled with hand drawn charts and drawings, a giant sketch pad of ideas, some that will never see the light of day, and others that are nearing production.


  DVO's founder, Bryson Martin Sr., has been fascinated with suspension for years. His fully suspended 1974 Yamaha BMX bike sits in a corner of the office, a reminder of how far things have progressed.


Most of the DVO crew previously worked at Marzocchi, and the years of shared experiences makes for a comfortable work environment, with plenty of good natured heckling filling the days. Spend 40 hours a week with someone for more than a decade and you'll know exactly how to push their buttons, and these guys don't hold back. It's all in good fun though, and there's a palpable sense of camaraderie; everyone is working hard towards a common goal - to produce the best suspension products possible. The pervading attitude is reminiscent of a time when men tinkered in garages trying to build rockets to take them to the moon, and while DVO's goals may not be quite as lofty, they're still aiming high. The difference is that with over 80 years of combined suspension experience amongst them, their goals seem much more attainable than building a homemade spacecraft.

Once our tour of the DVO headquarters was complete, it was time to get the Pinkbike test rig outfitted with an Emerald fork and Jade shock before hitting the trails. DVO's suspension technician, Ronnie Dilan, and Tom Rogers, the developer of the Jade, got to work installing and setting up the anodized green components on our GT Fury.


  A 3D printer allows DVO to quickly bring drawings to life, printing out scale or full size replicas of everything from fork dropouts to fenders. Ronnie Dilan mans the suspension dyno, a tool that allows suspension companies to quickly gather data about a fork or shock's performance under a variety of conditions.



  Pinkbike's GT Fury test sled outfitted with the DVO Emerald and Jade.

Suspension Setup



DVO Emerald Details
• Intended use: DH racing
• Travel: 200mm
• Air spring
• Carbon Torsion Arch (CTA)
• OTT Adjuster - allows the negative spring to be externally tuned, improving initial sensitivity
• Damping: twin tube open bath, adjustable high and low speed compression, dynamic rebound adjust
• Upper legs: 7000 series alloy, 42mm externally tapered
• Stanchions: 36mm hard anodized PTFE coated
• Weight without CTA: 2950 grams, CTA: 300 grams
• MSRP: $2200 USD

The Emerald's features are similar to what you would expect to find on a fork of this caliber – independently adjustable high and low speed compression damping, adjustable rebound, adjustable air pressure, and a unique feature that DVO calls Off The Top (OTT). OTT adjusts the amount of preload on the fork's coil negative spring, which changes the initial feel of the fork. Want your fork to be as plush as a down comforter, but then be firm enough later on in the stroke to handle the biggest hits? OTT makes this possible, giving riders a simple but effective way to adjust the fork's small bump sensitivity without affecting the rest of the shock's stroke.

We began our test runs with the air pressure set correctly for our body weight, the rebound set to our personal preference, and the compression settings wide open, a good starting point to begin figuring out the optimum set up. After each run we would assess what we were feeling on the trail, and adjust the fork and shock accordingly, whether that meant adding more compression, more sensitivity via the OTT setting, or changing the rebound speed. It might sound tedious, but it's an excellent way to really get a feel for the difference each setting makes on the trail.


DVO Jade Details
• Intended use: DH racing
• Adjustments: high speed compression, low speed compression, rebound,
• Cooling fins on reservoir designed to aid with heat dissipation
• Internal bladder instead of IFP
• Loader style compression circuit
• Sizes: 10.5 x 3.5, 9.5 x 3, 8.75 x 2.75, 8.5 x 2.5, 7.875 x 2.25
• Weight: 425g (damper only)
• MSRP: TBD

Instead of using an Internal Floating Piston (IFP), DVO chose to use a bladder in the coil-sprung Jade rear shock, a design intended to reduce any potential initial stiction, which helps improve small bump sensitivity. The bladder is filled with
between 160-200 pounds of air via a Shrader valve located on one end of the reservoir. High and low speed compression along with rebound damping are all externally adjustable, and further tuning is possible by altering the shim stack located inside the reservoir.


  Stacking shims. The compression circuit of the Emerald can be removed without any oil loss, allowing for quick access to the shims inside. Changing the width or thickness of the shims in the stack alters how the fork feels as it goes through its travel.

Besides the external dials, the Emerald and the Jade's reliance on shim stacks is a music to a suspension tuner's ears The use of shims to control oil flow and affect damping isn't new, but the ease with which riders can access and change the shim stack on the Emerald without any oil loss makes custom tuning much less daunting. We spent time in the DVO workshop creating a few custom shim stacks that we'll be experimenting with for our long term test of the Emerald. The configuration that is currently shipping in the Emerald is the same setup that Cedric Gracia ran at the Fort William World Cup, so it's not as if riders will need to go diving into their fork right away to get top-tier performance, but it's nice to know that it's an option, and DVO is more than willing to work with riders to help them achieve the feeling they want from their suspension.



First Ride:

DVO Emerald & Jade

Our test sessions took place on trails in the Simi Valley, which has the dubious distinction of once being the home of Charles Manson, as well as bordering the San Fernando Valley, the so-called 'Porn Capitol of the World' due to the number of adult films produced there, providing employment for the fallen Hollywood starlets who didn't quite have what it takes for mainstream success. It might not be on the top of most mountain bikers' list of vacation destinations, but it does contain several trails that turned out to be excellent suspension testing grounds.

The trail where most most of our test runs took place used to be a road for stagecoaches in the late 1800s, but as time passed the dirt surface washed away, leaving an incredibly rocky path with multiple holes and drop offs just waiting to grab a front wheel and fling an unsuspecting rider over the bars. Imagine riding down a giant rumpled bedsheet made of rock, or a set of petrified moto whoops and you'll start to get the picture. It's also short enough to do multiple laps, which made it easy to try different fork and shock settings to figure out what worked best.


  Shuttling in style. We rode lap after lap, tweaking the fork and shock settings after each run.


Each lap we took consisted mainly of trying to keep Bryson Martin Jr. in our sights while dealing with the constant onslaught of awkward rock bumps and lumps that filled the trail. Matching Bryson Jr.'s pace wasn't easy, but the Emerald and Jade certainly weren't holding us back, and they gobbled up everything that was tossed their way. Even on a trail that's about as tooth rattling and bone jarring as it gets, we were able to maintain our speed, and end up safely at the bottom without any arm pump or hand fatigue. The Emerald deals with successive impacts extremely well, and it never felt like it was packing up, even on sections of trail with multiple hard hits in a row. The small bump sensitivity of the Emerald is incredible, and is especially helpful on loose, off camber sections of trail, with the fork providing enough traction to avoid skidding out on the marbley surface. The Off The Top negative spring preload deserves partial credit for this sensitivity - it's a feature that makes a significant difference, and one that we can see using often to match the fork to the terrain. For instance, on a smoother, jump filled trail, something like Whistler's A-Line, backing off the OTT would make the initial portion of the fork's travel feel firmer, perfect for getting the most pop off the lip of a jump. On the other hand, for rougher trails, particularly those with extended sections of braking bumps, it would make sense to dial in the OTT to help take the edge off the repeated impacts.

We didn't notice any undue flexing from the fork, even when pushing it hard into sharp corners or through lumpy rock gardens. We'll need more time on it, and a wider variety of terrain, to come to a more definitive conclusion, but the fork didn't exhibit any performance traits that would prevent us from diving right into the gnarliest terrain without a second thought.

The Jade rear shock was trouble free as well, offering a supple, controlled stroke without any fading. Again, we'll want to take it on some longer runs to see how it deals with heat build up, but our first impressions are very positive. One of the test tracks had a decent sized drop with a landing that had seen better days – what was once a dirt transition now had shark fins of rock poking up through it - but the Jade took it in stride, with no harsh bottom out despite the less-than-smooth landing. We did end up altering the shim stack slightly to allow for a quicker rebound speed – the stock setting was a little slower than we prefer, but this is likely related to our lighter than average rider weight. Getting to the shim stack in the Jade is a little more involved than swapping shims on the Emerald, but it's still doable by any home mechanic with a moderate amount of mechanical know-how. No special tools are required to disassemble the shock, which makes diving into it that much less of a hassle.

Photo Bryson Martin Jr.


Issues

On our second day of testing we noticed oil accumulating on the Emerald's right stanchion. It wasn't a massive amount, but it was enough to warrant further investigation. Plus, pulling the fork apart would give us a chance to see the steps involved in performing an oil change. One of the benefits of the Emerald's inverted design is that it's possible to remove each leg individually – it's not necessary to pull the whole fork off the bike. Once the leg was disassembled the culprit behind the leak became apparent – the lip of the oil seal had gotten folded over during assembly, creating an opening for oil to escape through. We installed a new oil seal, poured in the 320cc of oil that the damper leg requires, and closed everything back up. Performing this service took well under an hour, and only changing the oil could easily be accomplished in less than 30 minutes.

In addition to giving us a chance to perform an oil and seal service, this was also a chance to see how DVO handled errors that occurred during assembly. The calm, collected attitude we'd already noticed remained unchanged – there wasn't any blame or trying to pass the buck, just a quick discussion between Bryson Martin and Ronnie Dilan about updating the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) at the factory, and that was it. Adding another step to the assembly process will make this much less likely to happen, and it's something that can be quickly accomplished due to DVO's close ties to their facility in Taiwan.

  Bryson Martin Jr. gets airborne off of a lofty hip, one of many on this berm and jump filled trail.

What's Next For DVO?

Now that production of the Emerald and Jade is underway, what's the next jewel in the DVO line? According to Bryson Martin, it will be the Diamond, a single crown, 140-160mm all-mountain / enduro fork that will use technology derived from the Emerald, but with a sealed cartridge system and a non-inverted design. Available for all wheel sizes, the Diamond is intended to go head to head with the top forks currently on the market, and is expected to be available by early summer. After that? An air sprung rear shock is in the works, along with the possibility of an inverted single crown fork further down the line. DVO is working on creating their own carbon fiber production facility in Taiwan, and we wouldn't be surprised to see more carbon make its way into future offerings. Remember the titanium collet clamping system that the prototype Emeralds had? As it turned out, that design ended up working a little too well – the collet provided plenty of clamping force, but the problem was getting it to release its grip on the aluminum tube. Could this design make its way into production, but with carbon tubes instead of aluminum? We'll just have to wait and see.


Pinkbike's Take:
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We came away from our visit with DVO thoroughly impressed, and not just with the Emerald and the Jade, but with the overall attitude and vibe that was present during our time in California. It wasn't an act either - we've spent enough hours with shady marketers to be able to see through the smokescreens of hype that can occasionally arise in the bike industry, and there was no trickery taking place at DVO. Their upfront attitude and dedication is what stood out the most, and the lean business model that DVO is working off of allows them to rapidly make revisions and constantly improve their offerings. So, are the Emerald and the Jade one hundred percent perfect? We'll say that we were highly impressed with what we experienced during our time on them, but we wouldn't go so far as to make that claim, and there were a few tiny details that could be improved. Still, the strong performance of both the fork and shock combined with their tuneability and ease of service certainly makes them top contenders in the race for suspension dominance. Keep in mind that our time on the Emerald and Jade shouldn't be considered a comprehensive review, but something closer to a first date. We brought the fork and shock back with us to the Pacific Northwest, and we'll be putting them to the test on the steep, muddy trails in our backyard. Stay tuned for the final results of how this relationship ends up. - Mike Kazimer



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398 Comments

  • + 147
 Im a massive DVO fan but it annoys me how pinkbike have managed to put a positive spin on a super high end product being assembled incorrectly and requiring a service after very little use. I guarantee if this was the suntour RUX this would be presented as a major issue.
  • + 15
 Its funny how things can be overlooked when the reputation is different. Time will tell, they are just starting out, but I know one thing the DVO will be super smooth as they are trying to create what you had in the older Monster T's! I have been riding the SrSuntour Durolux for about 3 maybe 4 years now. They are top notch quality and ride just as well. The RUX was in my local shop as an introduction. I didn't get to see it but the shop owner and some of the locals all said they were impressed with how smooth the fork felt. Which I can understand riding the Durolux!
  • + 6
 Thats because if it was a rux its being built by Suntour who claim to be building the most forks out there, i think if a company is building that many forks and buggers up seals theyve got a bit of an issue. Its no excuse for DVO, i know, but these guys arent building in bulk AND to be fair to them it didnt sound like too much of a ballache to sort. Ive seen fox forks arrive in far worse state before now and then their support claim there is nowt wrong.
  • + 85
 Having a seal leak wasn't good, especially with a media test and since most of these forks were assembled by DVO people from the USA office. I don't think pink bike tried to put a positive spin on it, there's a very small pressure spring that wraps around the seal, this spring came off when the stanchion tube was installed into the upper leg, after a few days of riding it went Into the seal. Things happen, it was a bummer but we immediately implemented a QC procedure to catch things like this.
  • + 9
 I think that's the biggest thing, how it was handled. I wonder if PB would get this kind of response from testing other companies' forks. I personally kind of doubt it, because many of them have much larger operations to supervise.
  • + 26
 Yeah , WTF? I call BS over DVO's QC over their SOP not regarding the OTT.LOL.

Seriously, Seal Team 6 dosent use this much jargon .
  • + 6
 Other companies are not just starting out as well and would not benefit as much from responses in a forum such as pinkbike. This fork will make or break DVO because its their first product, and considering we are the target consumer it is a no brainer to follow up. So far it looks promising, but only time will tell. I know an all black one would look sick on my undead, but that price.
  • + 37
 My original post wasnt anything to do with DVO or Suntour as such, it was aimed at the fact that if im writing a review for the newest high end forks on the market, and it fails in the first few days, i dont then talk about it like it was some blessing in disguise that i got to see how easy the forks are to rebuild. because as a customer if i have to rebuild a set of forks after the first few rides id be pissed, thats days off the bike waiting for parts to arrive because unlike PB i dont have a truck of spares and suspension techs with me when i ride. Like i said, not a dig at DVO or Suntour just my opinion of how the review is delivered.
  • + 19
 I think the majority of people agree with you, if you have to rebuild a set of $2200 forks the first days of owning it, then you would probably feel like you just got told to bend over and grab your ankles.
  • - 35
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 8:04) (Below Threshold)
 why are they testing downhill specific suspension on a jump/flow trail? looks like it could be hit on a dirtjumper bike. the shot of the tester in the berm, where's he looking? if your going to do an action shot, make sure you can provide the action (like bryson in the next pic) and an oil seal being folded over?? that's pretty brutal guys. for a 2200 fork? my boxxer race hasn't had any issues yet and it retails for 800? oh yea, and you need your break levers farther in board, your hands arent even on the full grip... as per the first "action" shot.
  • + 36
 Bluumax: If you got a DVO Emerald and the seal weaped oil (not puke or fail) such as this one did, we would immediately have a replacement sent to you in a day. It was a bummer for sure but we didn't hide it from Pink Bike and actually mentioned it to them while testing. We said there's oil residue on the leg and let's take a look it and then let Mike actually take the fork apart to see what happened.
  • + 13
 like i said guys it wasnt a dig at DVO, im a big fan, and its obvious you back your shit up, please dont think i meant any disrespect.
  • + 20
 @bluumax - I don't feel like I sugarcoated anything for this article. My opinions and perceptions about the attitude and work ethic of guys at DVO still stand, and the way they dealt with a minor issue with the fork illustrates this even further. Sure, it's not what you want to happen when the media is visiting, but I'm sure they would be just as quick to get things sorted if this happened to a customer. Remember, this isn't a full review, just a first look, which I mention in the closing paragraph. In case you missed it, here's the RUX review: www.pinkbike.com/news/Suntour-RUX-Review-2014.html. And @makripper - feeling a little critical today? Good thing I have you around to give me riding tips.
  • + 10
 Bluumax: definitely didn't take any of your words as a personal dig, no worries! We hope to have ya as a customer someday!
  • - 38
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 8:36) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer no problem. try and look through the berm, towards the exit and not at the berm. You should try pushing the bar down on the side as well, you can really make the bike flatten out more and rail better.
  • + 6
 "but something closer to a first date"

But did it tell you, you can do what ever you want?
  • + 8
 makripper, have you ridden this trail all the way to know that it is not a dh trail? it looked like it was a downhill with rocks and berms, ive been to whistler and lived in nelson bc and the trails that we call downhill look like that(maybe a little dryer in california but still when ithey stood atop the hill it looked more dh than a dj trail

im guessing that the test rider is looking at whats coming next when he leaves the berm , i didnt know that PB users needed to know what was happening next as levy left the berm.

also love the fact that your telling levy how to set up his bike even though he probably has more miles on every type of bike out there in the market than anyone in the world with the exception of about 10 people on the planet.
i agree about the seal thing blowing but for you to make comments that the editor is not riding correctly or setting up his bike right is a joke, ive never seen a request for the action shoot to have more action shots even if it means them them "looking somewhere in a berm"

problem also is that maybe your boxxer is good, doesnt mean that there never has been a bad rock shox boxxer to hit the bike shop floor
  • + 5
 opps sorry is was the wrong mike , kaz not levy.

cant wait for makrippers video series to hit with where to look and how to set your lever like a pro to nail a berm on a flow trail(not dh)
  • - 21
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 8:55) (Below Threshold)
 it's not mike levy.... I grew up in nelson. good to hear that you lived there. congrats on your whistler trip as well.. If you're making an editorial piece about biking. at least have some sick shots of proper riding on the gnarliest part of the track to accentuate the suspension cycling through it's travel in order to demonstrate the abuse and use that it was put through. from the pictures it looks like a mellow trail and they even mention the flow jump lines etc etc. i wont be buying any of you brake pads with that attitude. if it were mtb action i wouldn't really care, but come on.
  • + 6
 I'm familiar with the area they tested in. Stagecoach is short (about 1 mile), but thoroughly "DH". Really rough, though laid out in a way that encourages speed, with a few berms and jumps. Other (legal) trails in the area are longer with DH sections, but lean toward the Super D corner of the spectrum, with some pedally transitions. The trail that's loaded with jumps and berms is technically illegal, but gets a ton of use. .7 miles, chock full of built up features. It's, frankly, a little much for my 5" 29er, which is the only bike I own at the moment. Together, these trails are an awesome area for anyone looking to dial in their highly tunable suspension.
  • - 18
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 8:58) (Below Threshold)
 professional media demands ironing out the details. I'm not in it, but when readers notice details like that and mention them, it makes the world a better place either way.
  • - 13
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 8:59) (Below Threshold)
 makes sense @scvkurt03 thanks for the bigger picture!
  • + 10
 makripper , ouch that hurts, you were going to make or break me. but im still going to buy your video on how to ride a bike though berms and im looking forward to all the action shots you have to show PB how to ride a bike properly or how to set up your brakes, ITS A REVEIW not a photo essay, acouple of action still shots is not going to prove anything other than the fork goes up and down
  • - 6
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 it really wasn't much of a review at all. the fork broke down and the disclaimer was "it was more of a first date" saying that it wasn't much of a test.... so whats the point besides advertising?
  • + 24
 Nice cornering technique Makripper: www.pinkbike.com/photo/9246751. Sounds like you're an expert on everything.
  • - 12
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 10:03) (Below Threshold)
 haha what am I doing wrong on that tight corner?
  • + 13
 Better question would be what are you doing right?
  • - 10
flag makripper (Feb 13, 2014 at 11:06) (Below Threshold)
 @sweet-bike come to penticton and let me see you hit that corner better hahahahhahaha
  • + 17
 @makripper: the fork didn't break down, just a weepy seal and in all honesty we could of not made a big deal of it with Mike but we decided to address it and let him take the fork apart and include that in the part of the story. We don't want to hide anything, especially from the media and Mike Kazimer is a sharp guy, he would of known something was up if his fork suddenly disappeared to fix it, rather we wanted to include that in the story. Sometimes you take a hit for being up front and honest, but in the long run people will see through the smoke and mirrors and we are in this for the long run. Hope this helps see our side of it. Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 @dvosuspension I appreciated your work for marzocchi, and I'm interested to see how it goes. It was unfortunate that it happend for sure, and awesome to see how you guys dealt with it. I wish you luck and hope it all works out!
  • + 7
 FYI: The berm turn that Mike is hitting puts some serious g-forces on you and he was banging that turn!
  • + 1
 it looks like he's going to shoot off the berm into space
  • + 3
 @makripper: thanks for appreciation, we have a lot of customers who followed us Marzocchi and are now on DVO, that means a lot to us and a testament that people make the company and not the other way around.
  • + 6
 @dangmtb: Mike was hitting that berm turn "mach nipple" and was barely able to keep his head up! He railed it every time though, rode like a champ!
  • + 3
 I think it's unfortunate that the fork that was used for this review had a "mishap." But if you look at it on a positive note, @DVOsuspension was able to identify a small issue that will not happen again, once the forks hit the market. I respect the hell out of them for not hiding this small issue, rather admitting that something happened. From what it sounds, these guys will have a great company MO, and I look forward to seeing their perfected products ONCE they are ready for consumers.
  • + 2
 For what it's worth, this is exactly the point of a test.
  • + 5
 Thanks mwehrley! We didn't know it would turn into such a fire storm here in PB, just a small spring issue and really easy to resolve. We were more excited to have Mike work on the fork himself and see how easy it was to work on. In retrospect, wouldn't have changed a thing, people seem to understand our ethos and transparency.
  • + 2
 I dont think there is anything wrong with PB's handling of the situation, nor do I think the issue is really a big deal in terms of the fork itself. But I do agree that at times it seems like PB has been more critical or made a bigger deal of similar minor issues with other product reviews. Whereas here it did kind of seem like they almost spun it as a positive in that it gave them a chance to take apart and service the fork. To me taking apart and servicing the fork should be part of the review anyway, if user serviceability is a selling point.
  • + 3
 noooo @DVOSuspension I was talkin about the pic link for makripper! PS, I'll be getting an Emerald as soon as I finally get a DH frame!
  • + 1
 I got a dh frame you could buy..
  • + 2
 @ DVOSuspension: Regardless of what happened with that particular fork I love how you take the time to answer comments and talk with people here. And your answers don't sound "corporate" or prefab which is always a good thing. If I'm ever in the market for a new fork I'll take a look at what you're offering. Unfortunately (for you at least) I've only recently built a new bike so it's gona be some time since I go on an MTB related shoping spree again.
  • + 1
 @sweet-bike thanks, but I'll be EP-ing one from my shop soon Wink
  • + 1
 @dangmtb: look forward to having you as a customer soon!
  • + 1
 @Lapsus: thanks for the support and it all comes from the heart here at DVO!
  • + 2
 That is a nice looking van. The A-Team would be proud.
  • + 1
 I am not sure you understand why they are not making a big deal about this fork failure. For another company, like fox, who has established themselves as a top player in the suspension world, a failure of this caliber would be something to make a big deal about. That is because Fox IS a big company who HAS huge success. Their forks have also been out for a long time - meaning, they have already fixed their problems. DVO is a company who is just starting out. Mistakes such as this one are expected in such a new company. They seem very eager to fix any problems this fork has and also willing to admit when something goes wrong. I look forward to seeing where they go. Their transparency is as impressive as their attitude. I am currently saving up for a canfield jedi and Dvo emerald combo package. It looks SWEET. Keep shredding DVO!!!
  • + 20
 ive got the fork on my demo and i must say, best fork ive ever felt or ridden. also have the boss telling me, that if i get lost on how to tune the fork better. he explain in step by step. come on guys how many company's do that. it is really worth the money guys
  • + 12
 Thanks Demo4life! We are really happy to talk to everyone and support our products and our customers. We all feel that the sale starts after the product is in the hands of our customer. It's a technical product and proper set up is key to really getting the most out of our product.
  • + 2
 Yt wil be happy, U can get a full dh rig, good qualitty too, only for the price of this fork!!! it´s good looking though.!!!
  • + 20
 how can all these people be fans when they don't own the fork?

£2200 for a fork and it blows a seal after little use. can me cynical but PB does seem to be doing a good job marketing DVO, hope they are getting well paid Wink
  • + 5
 I know right, I think its even more ridiculous this company was for ages advertising a product that basically didn't exist. You would have thought with a company like pinkbike testing their product they would have checked it was assembled properly and perfect beforehand lol
  • + 6
 I agree. If you want to be a fan of something before it's out then pick Suntour. That's a company who at least is bringing an affordable fork to compete with the the big dogs. Even Xfusion doesn't get the love they deserve. They make amazing suspension but still you don't see the love shedding their way. Guess they didn't slap on some green Ano and high price tag.
  • + 1
 I have been on suntour and x-fusion and yes they are decent and allow more people to enjoy the sport, but are not top tier. Time will tell if DVO is but it looks like they are aiming for the top, real riders creating and designing a product that is highly adjustable, easy to service and based on recent reviews ride incredible, also giving consumers another option, im all in!
  • + 16
 We have been shipping hundreds of forks for a couple of months now, yes we are just getting out there with products but remember we have been bringing all of you along during the development of our company and products which most people thought was pretty cool and interesting. Our goal is to be very open and transparent to our customers and that will reflect in our future designs because feedback is extremely important to us.
  • + 8
 Could just be that PB genuinely likes the product and sees the issue of an incorrectly installed seal as minor, which I would agree if they fixed it in about an hour. The overall performance and quality of the product could easily outshine this, which I believe is their point. Better a faulty seal that is easily replaced than a POS damper that you're stuck with.
  • + 3
 Thanks chal0080!
  • + 4
 Things have to break in order to know how to fix them. And they didn't just fix the seal, they improved a process, which is more important. This makes the test an even more of a success than if nothing had happened.

People are fans of DVO because they stated their mission from the beginning, have been totally transparent with the entire process and succeeded in what they set out to accomplish. There's been none of this secret test facility in Italy, Blackbox BS that no one ever gets to ride or know about, yet when it comes to market (5 years later) might work/might not... DVO never said they wanted affordable suspension for the masses, it was implicit from the beginnig that they were going to make the best suspension on the market at whatever cost.

DVO wins. I'll never own their suspension, but they have my respect.
  • + 2
 Thanks a ton mattsavage and appreciate the great words. In the big scheme of things we are really stoked with the initial release of the Emerald and have yet to deal with any issues. We've already shipped hundreds of forks across the globe and everyone has contacted us with awesome feedback. Unfortunately for this test we had a spring pop off a seal and it was weeping, thats a bummer but at least we aren't seeing the issues the big boys are when it comes to initial product releases! Hope to have you as a customer someday! Cheers, DVO
  • + 2
 I bet every current DVO emerald owner and soon to be owner is gonna be worried about their seals now
  • + 4
 @bigburd: Just to clarify, we installed the stanchion into the seal head which knocked the spring off and worked its way into the seal. We have a lot of forks out there and non have leaked. Thus far all we have are happy customers with zero complaints. But if all we have to be concerned about is one leaky seal after producing close to 500 forks, we are pleased!
  • + 2
 so the person that put them together it going to get a big kick up the arse then lol
  • + 4
 LOL, if we knew maybe but honestly it may of been anyone here in the building! We are a team here at DVO, we succeed together and we fail together.
  • + 1
 you need to send me the diamond fork to test in Scotland's weather
  • + 1
 That would be a good test area!
  • + 1
 *It's £1800 in the UK, not £2200.
  • + 15
 i agree with @parkourfan, the more companys getting involved and coming up with thier own stuff is just what this sport needs! it only means its a step in the right direction.... well done DVO!
  • + 11
 Thanks Jammins! We have been in the mountain bike suspension business since the day it was invented, we love this sport and will continue to focus on making great products!
  • + 10
 I've been waiting forever for this! Apparently, DVO can back up their (large) prices with excellent performance. Always good to have another high end competitor in the suspension market.
  • + 26
 $2200 for a fork!!! I just bought a 2011 Demo 8 with Rock Shox Boxxer WC and Vivid Air complete bike in mint condition for $2300, and it's butter smooth!

www.pinkbike.com/video/350904
  • + 1
 But do you get a warrantee on all of that, or the support you get with DVO?...
  • + 20
 @ wreaman: It's your money, and you can spend it how ever you like. I'm just saying that $2200 is too much for ME to spend on just a fork. $2200 is more than what my car is worth.
  • + 6
 I'm not saying I'd buy one I'm just saying it's stupid to compare it to a second hand bike is all!
  • + 11
 Haha try paying the equivalent of $2560 for a 40 Float in the UK....
  • + 18
 @abzillah If your car costs more than your bike you are clearly doing something wrong Big Grin
  • + 11
 @winco seems like you don't understand priorities bro Wink
  • + 14
 @Legendfired No, seems like -you- don't understand priorities bro. Wink
  • - 2
 On top of all that^. She's funking fugly!
  • + 2
 Suspension prices in general are going waaayyy up, at least for higher end stuff. I've got a sweet deal on the Fox 32 120 (kashima & all that) and the stupid thing retails for like 1100 bucks! So I can imagine why a proper DH fork should cost a lot more. The day I have to pay full retail is the day I go rigid.
  • + 2
 We feel the problem is the price for the other suspension products isn't justified for what you get. It's all about value, something that costs a lot needs to perform and the company that makes it needs to provide excellent service.
  • + 7
 i don't know man, but for that cash, I'll get 2 new WC's...and to be quite honest, i do think that the quality is comparable.
  • + 3
 i dont even have a car, 3 bicycles and 2 dirtbikes. if i cant get there on those i dont wanna go Smile everybody stop hatin on DVO, your all so quick to jump on this company for something that couldve happenned to anyone. but instead of being like other companys they sorted it almost immediately AS A COMPANY. not just a customer service guy telling you "this kind of thing happens" cough fox cough. but as a company they now have an extra step in building the fork so this does not happen. we should be praising DVO for being a company who owns up to something so they can make it right, also that they actually listen to real rider input! the suspension company of the future no doubt.
  • + 3
 maan, let people have opinions. it's not hate
  • + 2
 Thanks whitebuilt! Appreciate the support and kind words. It was a bummer the seal leaked and even more so cause one of us did the install! Things do go wrong in manufacturing and assembling, we all have experienced that from our previous company but its how you handle it determines your sustained success in the market. Thanks again for the support! Cheers, DVO.
  • - 2
 your on a boxxer wc, comparing it to an emerald. stop making me laugh. no really, stop it.
  • + 0
 Well said whitebullit!
  • + 3
 Oh we don't want to go down that road of bashing other products just promote what you make.
  • + 1
 nobodys bashing, your comparing an entry level dual crown to what is supposed to be the next step in downhill racing forks. yes the wc is more affordable, but that still doesnt make it comparable. listen man, get on an emerald, dial it in and hang on. youll be selling that wc shortly.
  • - 4
flag smgishot13 (Feb 13, 2014 at 11:08) (Below Threshold)
 LOL, I love people comparing Boxxers to the DVO fork. "OMG I can get 2 boxxers for the same price!! WTFBBQ?!" Yes, and the 2 boxxers won't last half as long as a single DVO fork, and they'll perform orders of magnitude worse. Go ride a DVO fork (or really any fork besides your boxxer), and you'll forever regret comparing your boxxer to any of the real DH forks on the market.
  • + 1
 Thanks for the support smgishot13!
  • + 2
 to everyone complaining about pricing. go to a Ferrari forum and complain about Ferrari prices. lol. DVO is obviously high end / high performance. if their claims come through, and it is a better product then they sell more, get more OEM volume, R&D costs are paid down, and the price drops

just because a 16 year old or student can't afford an Emerald doesn't mean the price is wrong
  • + 2
 Thanks gnarbar!
  • + 0
 @ whitebullit: "you're"
also, before you s**t on Boxxers, don't forget Stevie won on one
  • + 3
 whatever bro, im sure his boxxer was just like the ones you and me can buy...NOT! its okay, when race season comes youll be a believer too.
  • + 2
 hahaha, smgishot13, i don't know if you're really funny or just a plain idiot
  • + 2
 The Black Box "Stevie Smith" race forks are probably very different than what the normal production fork are. I would assume they perform a lot better (although Stevie can win on a rigid fork IMO) its just strange why they don't bump up the price and offer it for their customers?
  • + 1
 probably for the same reason the emerald was available to only Cedric for a while Smile
  • + 2
 Not really, CG was testing the Emerald making sure it was up to par for WC DH racing as well as durability. What he tested and approved went straight into production, with zero compromises. Not sure the other guys have done the same.
  • + 1
 they probably did, and they probably will with the black box
  • + 8
 I saw one of the DVO employees leaving a trail that I frequent with a Jade on his bike. I'm relatively new to the LA area, and seeing this kind of stuff is probably the best part about living here. Jade looks better in person than in the pictures.
  • + 7
 Thanks! Feel free to hit us up next time you see us out there and we will let ya take a test bike out for a spin. Cheers, DVO!
  • + 8
 This is a sad day where everyone wants to bash on DVO. If this was so Biased pinkbike would have just edited the part out about the seal. DVO is one of the few companies even replying to comments and its sad everyone takes it as an opportunity to run their mouth. If you all are happy on your 800 dollar dual crown... this article or fork really isnt for you clearly
  • + 3
 Thanks airmiller44! Appreciate the support!
  • + 2
 No problem, keep up the good work and provide top of the line parts for those people that are looking for something other than whats cheap and "works" I know your goal is to be above all of that and along with that comes a price tag.
  • + 2
 well put Miller. lots of time invested by DVO talking sensibly to people that aren't even in their target market. respect to DVO for their online presence
  • + 2
 bump this to the top instead of the "marketing scam" lol
  • + 1
 Its good talking to people and letting them know what we as a company are all about!
  • + 7
 Too expensive, too heavy, too much hype. No actual tangible benefit. And now a fork that should have been gone over to ensure it was perfect for 'Press Use' pops a seal.
  • + 1
 It has to be a little heavier than other forks because there is much oil. But partially you're right. That price is exaggerated.
  • + 4
 It has more oil (mabe not so much more compared to a open bath like a BOS fork)... and it has a 300g CTA. Without it the fork isn't so heavy.
  • + 11
 HopNob: we along with a lot of customers who are riding on our fork feel the tangible benefits are not only concerned with the weight or price tag or hype. We feel that excellent small bump sensitivity, big hit capability, improved traction and cornering speed, ease of tuning and service, use of the highest quality materials in production all backed by a company that cares to talk take care of their customers long after the sale is made are very tangible items. The fork is heavier then our competitors, we have made that conscious decision during development to add more oil (nearly 400cc's/400 grams) and then CTA (around 300 grams) to the fork because it improves the products performance and all our test riders agreed that the weight is worth it. Cheers, DVO.
  • - 2
 I will give you kudos for replying to the public, that certainly helps, but in reality, all top end suspension is much of a muchness.

If I slap on a set of these & a jade to my DH bike, I'm not going to go any faster than before.

It's been proven many a time when pros swap around between brands.
  • + 7
 I love this guy's attitude.If it were my company, Ida told half of you to go piss up a rope by now Smile
  • + 9
 HobNob: you will go faster and with more control, no lie, no marketing BS!
  • + 5
 Scary1: seriously cracking up right now! In reality, it's good to hear and chat with everyone. DVO is a new product but we've all done this before and taking the time to explain our program and ethos is time well invested cause we plan to be here for a while and become a serious player in the suspension business!
  • + 5
 Naturally a cynic, but I don't believe you...

Nico, who with BOS developed at the time, a supposed new era of great suspension with the Deville etc. then changed to Fox, and subsequently RS, he's not slowed down. Cedric didn't start winning races again on DVO Wink
  • + 2
 We brought CG on because he is an amazing rider and we knew he would give us honest feedback to make the product as perfect as possible. CG rides faster and with more control on the DVO product but that's not going to out him on top of the WC podiums, he's transitioned away WC DH racing and rightfully so, he has been doing it since childhood. There's probably more to why Nico switched to Fox but we don't know and not in the business of starting rumors. Bos makes some awesome suspension and there's lots of respect for that company here at DVO.
  • + 3
 @hobnob good suspension will definitely help you go faster! And the price isn't far off from other top end forks like BOS or FOX. Your dealing with these haters well @DVOsuspension keep up the good work.
  • + 9
 If I have to use virtually no oil in my forks to have a good time on a bike that weighs around 35lbs already, I think there's something wrong.
Let's assume for a minute hob nob is right and all high end suspension is as fast as each other. There's no question they feel different as anyone who's had a 40 and an air Boxxer and a 888 can tell you. So part of it will always come down to individual preference of these differences. I personally can't go past small bump sensitivity because I like the way it keeps my hands and arms going day after day in the bike park. I had a Boxxer that had too much compression damping for me even when it was full open; would have been nice if I could pull the shims out in the parking lot. My experience with 40's and Boxxers is that they both wear out the stanchions even if you service them regularly whereas 888's don't seem to mind if you service them at all, thanks to the fact they have oil in them. I'd rather ride than change the oil just to save a few hundred grams. It is a real shame the seal was installed incorrectly on this test, but there's little question that more oil on an inverted design should provide much longer service intervals over the long term. And if their online presence is anything to go by, there's little question that these guys are going to bend over backwards to get you sorted if you need it.
  • + 3
 Thanks kramster, couldn't of written it better myself! Look forward to having you on the product someday!
  • + 3
 @nismo325 - i'm not a hater, despite what you may think. But i'm also not naive enough to think the minimal differences between top end forks equals faster riding.

I've used pretty much every top end fork out there and judging by my race results, i'm no faster on any one fork or shock than the other. I'm not the fastest guy in the world, but i'm also no squid - i've been known to stand on the top box in my age category in the past...

I think DVO have missed my point regarding BOS, That was considered at the time the 'best' fork on the market, yet you didn't see mid pack racers running them hitting places above their pay grade over the inferior competition... Same with all the riders swapping brands. GM has carried on smashing it when they switched from SRAM to Fox, etc etc.

All these forks & shocks feel different, some feel supple, some don't, we all run them differently, and the gulf between what we run & what the WC riders run is massive. We all see articles about how hard they run their bikes, yet even amongst themselves there are huge variances of setup.

I still maintain you put me on a well setup bike running Fox, RS, BOS, DVO, Suntour etc and time me - i'll tell you how they feel different, but outright speed? Don't kid yourselves.

People will buy these because they are new, expensive, USD & green. The naive mugs will buy them because they believe they will go faster. They won't.

Yet the hype rolls on - for a fork next to no-one has ridden, or likely to, look at the page views and volume of comments.
  • + 3
 @hobnob: maybe you aren't faster with a better fork, but the better the fork, the less painfull are your fingers and wrists after long rides.
  • + 2
 @HobNob: thanks for the response and definitely respect your opinion! But, the majority of customer feedback we have received is that they are faster on a DH course. Let me try to clarify my point here: to be faster on a course doesn't mean you will be going mach nipple and able to jump every turn straight lining yourself to the finish line, rather you can carry slightly more exit speed through the corners, brake later with more control, have improved vision due to isolated bump forces, etc. All these small areas of improvement add up to faster times, even a second here and there all add up and that's our goal with the Emerald. Its not hype, its not marketing BS, we have enough experience to know that BS is only temporary and only performance features that the rider can actually benefit from will stand the test of time.
  • + 7
 HOBnob, the reason the pros aren't faster when they swap fork brands is because none of the forks that the WC pros actually race on are anywhere near production level forks. If you think they are, you are kidding yourself. Completely different damper designs in some cases, improved bushing tolerances, higher end lubricating fluids, completely different seal designs and materials are just some of the changes made on one-off race forks that don't often make it to production level forks. In those situations, the forks end up being quite similar, so there isn't much improvement to be had across brands. However that is nowhere near the case on production level forks. The DVO is probably the closest we will ever come to true pro-level quality on a production fork. Go ride one and see, the difference is quite impressive. Also, people complaining about a few hundred grams on a DOWNHILL bike always crack me up. Improved suspension performs is about 50x more important than some silly gram counting.
  • + 3
 @smgishot13: you're 100% spot on!
  • + 0
 I would only like to point out with my long Troll experience, that the elusive "HYPE" is 5-10% producer released information, 10-20% initial assumptions of a person reading it and up to 80% people fermenting those assumptions on the forums and blowing common balloons containing mostly unfounded praise and undeserved hate. Toss a tiny bit of information and they will fight over it, and scrutinize it as maniacs, then they will find their own sources of information about the products and distort reality even more (like following race results of the equipment). Sorry online guys - we are doing it to ourselves - in most cases off course! 27.5 is still evil!
  • + 7
 They should sell their shocks as much as possible before Ohlins comes into MTB market.
  • + 1
 It might be a bit early to draw any conclusions but I wonder how they stack up against CC and BOS offerings. That's the real question.. That said, it's a good thing to have another contender in that market, I hope it'll bring down prices.
  • + 1
 Ohlins are already in the mtb market, they designed the double barrel.. Their own branded shock is designed solely to work with specialized demo and enduro frames and won't be compatible with some others so there won't be any issues there
  • + 3
 take a look on vital buddy, the TTX is being released specifically tuned for most of the common frames, and forks+cartridges are following not long after
  • + 1
 You can get it for 680€
  • + 5
 Together, let's send this message to the suspension God:
Please, suspension wasn't a cool world for us last 20 years. Everything is expensive or shitty. Even both.
So please, to thank us, to make our mtb geek life better, and because you've already show us we could believe in it,
just 2 words... Some blue and gold words:

Ohlins fork.
  • + 1
 do you have a link to that? all of the articles i can find just say that its an exclusive between ohlins and specialized, would be interesting to see which frames they will be tuning it for
  • + 1
 I'm thinking of getting a new fork this year. The choice is between an Emerald a Dorado or holding out for an Ohlins fork (as seen in the vital mtb link above).
  • + 2
 Our products are getting out there and the Jade shock will be in production soon. It's good to have more products in the market, we have been involved in suspension development for decades and it's not that easy to break into this business unless you've been doing it for very long time. Ohlins has a great name in the motorcycle world, we've spent a lot of time on their products on the moto side but they are new to mountain bike suspension and there will be a steep learning curve, especially in the global support area.
  • + 1
 @marshall1234 - what news do you have on Ohlins offering cartridges? DH only, or for say, something for a Fox 34?
  • + 1
 Avalanche offers cartridges for Fox 34 forks.
  • + 1
 bonky, I know. $400+ I know the Ohlins could be that much anyway. I have a 34 with a low-end damper that I got for next to nothing…looking to upgrade it.
  • + 1
 @DVOSuspension Be sure we're all glad you're offering good product and we hope you'll be stronger and stronger. But Ohlins is a unicorn, it's like Brembo brake, probably expensive +++ and maybe I'll never ride one, but as I said, we're mtb geek...
I rode a Shiver and ride actually a Dorado, and maybe an Emerald on my next build but only if available in France!
  • + 1
 who knows how long you could be looking at for ohlins to release a fork cart kit. but trust me, from someone who has owned an avalanche cartridge, you can not go wrong, you mix an avalanche cartridge with he correct chassis and you have a fork comparable if not better than anything on the market.
  • + 2
 At this moment Brembo it's a mass China production..
  • + 1
 @fracasnoxteam: I like your Unicorn analogy! DVO is available in France and we have already shipped them some products with more on the way! Look forward to having you on the product soon. Cheers, DVO
  • + 4
 Waaaay too much marketing for me, I'll stick to BOS. They're as expensive as the DVO, but at least I know they work and work well. And I tend to stay away from overmarketed parts ... Never works like advertised.
  • + 2
 If you're not a pro you don't need any more than a Domain fork and and Kage shock. $2200 for a fork ha ha ha! Motorcycle anyone?
  • + 2
 maybe he doesn't want a motorcycle? and would rather have pro standard suspension that he doesn't need?
  • + 5
 O yeah, BOS and their crappy support, nahhh..
  • + 6
 Funny 'cos when I was looking at BOS suspension I could find little more online than the fact that they were expensive & awesome.

BOS are notoriously difficult to get spare parts for & to get serviced. They've have changed distributors in the UK several times, at times leaving the consumer with no option than to send their suspension back to France.

I wouldn't touch them with a Baguette, never mind a barge pole!
  • + 4
 Well I don't have this problem since I always send my stuff to Novyparts ... He can get all the parts, and has all the knowledge and tools to take care of all the BOS stuff.
  • + 4
 You're lucky guy because you're from France. I do not have time to wait for simple seals and watch as my bike is being covered in dust.
  • + 3
 True, but for your information, SKF seals for Fox34 and Fox36 do fit on BOS forks. But then if it failed internally well you're screwed if the US distributor can't get them... :/

(by the way, Novyparts can take order from all Europe, but I don't know about USA ... Might be pretty expensive in shipping ...)
  • + 4
 Ok but people from Europe also have problems with their support. So, good products but poor background.. unfortunately.
  • + 3
 Ploutre: thus far we feel our products are working as advertised and the riders who have purchased them are really stoked about everything we have been talking about since the introduction of DVO. Check out our Face Book page and we have posted pictures and feedback from hundreds of customers who expressed how pleased they are with the Emerald, we can advertise all we want but for us, proof of success is when our customers are happy with their purchase and so far they have been! Cheers, DVO.
  • + 3
 I should have written "Rarely works as advertised, for me".

Each of us has a different feeling on suspensions, and for about 90% of the riders I know, they could ride on a Rockshox Domain DC RC or a BOS Idylle RaRe or the DVO Emerald and not feel a single difference. What I mean is that for probably 99% of your customers, it will be brilliant (like for the RS Pike, thousands of people are happy with the new Pike for instance, while it's just not good enough for me)

In the end, as long as your customers are happy, you're right saying that's the main goal, and I haven't tested one to forge an opinion on how they perform, I just don't bite any longer on over-marketed products (as good as they actually may be !).
  • + 1
 Thanks for the reply Ploutre! The funny thing is our marketing budget is peanuts compared to the big boys but we have a lot of industry support and with social media information gets viral in seconds. We really feel that most riders can feel the difference between good suspension and great suspension especially when it comes to improved control and overall comfort. The DVO product is geared at the serious rider but that doesn't exclude it from being loved by a weekend warrior who wants more performance. Cheers, DVO!
  • + 1
 I would buy DVO over BOS because I believe the USD design is better. However, I'd probably get a Dorado if I went DC. The Emerald looks fantastic, I'd love a black one, but for my two hours a week dicking around on a bike it's a little steep.
  • + 3
 For a new company, with a new manufacturing facility to have discovered an assembly fault in front of media is rather bad......... however look at every other media presentation of a product. Something goes wrong. DVO looked at the problem on site and made a declension immediately to implement a Quality change back over in Taiwan. I have never heard of anyone being so open about an internal QC issue change regardless of introduction of a new one on the spot. I can't wait to by their products. Coming from an Engineer!
  • + 2
 Thanks for the awesome words and support! We are really stoked to know that we don't have any other issues other than a loose spring on a bad install, we have shipped over 500 forks and thus far no leaky seals or other technical issues. We appreciate those who understand our honesty and transparency, we had no idea it would turn into such a fire storm! Cheers, DVO
  • + 3
 What kind of (poser, loser, wannabe, fill in the blank) jumps on with a user namer of NoDeVo then proceeds to slam them with false accusations about suspension graphs???? Yeah- Im gonna create a username like hateFOX or BOXXERhater or NoBOS then try to stir up controversy. Amazing what some people will do to try and tear down an honest attempt to make a better product. Seriously...what a loser. Next time man up and use your real name and not some hater name you just created that day.
  • + 2
 Totally agree with ya!
  • + 4
 Ok- I counted 26 TIMES DVO responded to feedback on this thread alone. You think any other company (suspension or not) is doing this? They seem in tune with the customer more than any company I have ever seen.
  • + 3
 26 and counting! Thanks for the support!
  • + 3
 Stoked to see the BMX roots represented! That's where the style of riding we're into comes from. Any time you hit a jump or rip a berm, no matter what kind of bike you're on, you're riding BMX style. Klunking can claim cross country, but organized DH racing with jumps and berms, on bikes, some with suspension and gears, predates that.

So, the next time you're about to say "I'm not into BMX", stop yourself, because actually, you kinda are.
  • + 5
 All of here at DVO all rode BMX, I launched that yellow Yamaha over 10 trashcans back in the day cause Evil Knievel told me I could make it!
  • + 1
 Serious DH racing right here!

youtu.be/B1GdIdgkUIc
  • + 2
 That link made my day! Used to ride in Acton back in the day on my Yamaha FS BMX bike!
  • + 2
 Awesome! Glad to hear that! If you're ever in Marin county, come to Fairfax and ride Endor, the flow trail we built last winter.

www.facebook.com/TAMOFLOW
  • + 1
 Will do and thanks!
  • + 2
 Its crazy how people fear what they don't understand and hate what they cant have, you can now negative rep away haters, we all know its a new company but the customer service alone that i have experienced and see surpasses every other suspension company out there, and with over 80 years of combined suspension experience amongst them (that's longer than most of the members on pink bike that think they know it all), and that vast knowledge is good enough for me to trust their judgement on build world class suspension products.
  • + 5
 Thanks finalgear! We built the last suspension company we worked at from a garage operation to a multimillion dollar global organization. We had our ups and downs in the past and learned a very important lesson and that is superior customer service will determine how great your company will ultimately become. We know we can make superior suspension products, we have our own manufacturing facility, we have a ton of cool designs on the drawing board, and we will never forget how important it is to take care of our customers!
  • + 2
 It seems that it is more than easy to pull off the damping unit from DVO fork or shock to adjust the shim stack. Can you do the same with Marzo,RS or FOX??? There is a huge saving when you are able to make your own shim stacks without sending damper to some "expert" with 100$/hour charge, and just after that noticing that you still need the stack tweaked a bit to a way or another.

I think it is still overpriced product,basicly everything inside the fork/shock is just miniature copy from mx world,excluding the possibility of removing damping unit without taking whole rearshock apart. Damping units are very similar to Showa "base valve" with floating piston etc...
  • + 2
 The compression unit of a boxxer is easy to remove, but if you want to tune it, you need to change the whole damper because the stock one don't work well with custom stacks. Anf for the rebound unit you have to take the whole fork apart.
  • + 3
 We feel the Emerald is one of the most advanced yet easiest fork to tune and with zero oil loss it's also something you can do nearly anywhere if needed. We have swapped bottom loaders on the trail when testing and not sure you can do that with the other products. Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 how are the mid shaft speeds controlled in Emerald or Jade? Is there separate mid speed shim stack in the piston of the damper shaft?
  • + 0
 Yes, there is a separate mid-valve shim stack that can also be customized to tune the mid stroke.
  • + 3
 Nice to know a company uses my after-work loop to test their DH suspension. Lots of great riding in that general area, including Chumash, Hummingbird, and Johnsons, to name the legal ones.
  • + 1
 Yup, we love those trails and been riding there for years! Hope to see you out there sometime. Cheers, DVO
  • + 0
 What trail were you guys riding? I might make a trip up there when I move to San Diego this summer.
  • + 1
 We were in the San Fernando Valley area.
  • + 2
 I'm sure this will be buried in a sea of ranting, but I'm interested to know why the 'enduro' fork will be a standard design and with a cart rather than open bath? Does it just boil down to weight (having to ride an Enduro bike up hill OMG!)? I love the look of the old SC Shivers and RAC forks and it'd be rad to see a new generation of SC inverted forks.
  • + 2
 Hey wallheater: yea theres a few ranters on here but its important to get to everyones comments! The Diamond Enduro fork will have a closed cartridge system but oil will also be inside the leg to keep things feeling smooth and reliable. Our weight target is 1900 grams which is right in there with the Pike and Fox forks yet we are able to get more performance features like the OTT and the compression loader assemble incorporated in the design. We are also working on a Single Crown carbon inverted fork too, thats a longer development period but we will bring it!
  • + 2
 The little blurb about an air shock in the works has really got my interest piqued! With the fox DHX air out of production, Rockshox seems to have a pretty iron grip on the DH air shock market so I'm eager to see what you guys will bring to the table! Cooling fins on the air can? Carbon fiber piggyback? Green anodized everything? Can't wait to see what you guys have in store!

Really need to go over and say Hi next time I see you guys at Tapia instead of just going "oh hey, the DVO guys are out testing, wonder what's hidden inside the "suntour" forks they've got..." and nervously talking about it with my ride buddies!
  • + 1
 Definitely stop by and chat with us next time!
  • + 1
 I'm sure the fork will look and feel great, as well as the customer service being on point (as we see their responses as we speak), bbbbuuutttttttt, there are sooooo many other options out there that are aesthetically more appealing, cheaper (not cheap), and much lighter. my boxer wc is sub 6lbs and it feels amazing! i also feel sram has a great customer service as well. I'm not hating on dvo at all, i actually wanted one of these forks when i was building my carbon v10 last year. i just couldn't wait for the actual release a year later. this fork was being hyped 2 inter bikes ago!! i couldn't go a year without riding....not happening. so i chose the rs boxxer, and couldn't be happier!! Anyway, congrats to dvo and i wish them much luck in their future offerings. the more options in the mtb industry, the better!
  • + 2
 Thanks fredro! Sorry the release was a bit longer than expected and we hoop to have ya as a customer someday! Cheers, DVO.
  • + 1
 DVO you guys have a customer here, I love that you guys don´t try and seem perfect to anyone, this is a big plus for me. You guys dealt with this minor nuisance accordingly, I think other brands like the one that stars with an F and ends with ox (haha) are overpriced and you hardly know your product before you buy it. To me at least you seem like a bunch of dudes who care for the sport, are human and I would enjoy a beer with any time. I would happily pay those 2200 bucks for not just a top of the line fork but a good service as well. I wish you guys nothing but the best and I will enjoy my emerald and my jade as soon as they are available! Cheers my Brothas! Oh and a quick question, how were you guys related to Marzocchi?
  • + 1
 @DVOSuspension btw I freaking love that you guys recruited the sickest rider in history, CG for the win brothas
  • + 1
 Thanks man!
  • + 1
 Well...for me it is astonishing who pays for all this advertisement , development, fancy rides,kick ass facilities, etc.?? DVO is on sight maybe 2 years and they didn`t even sold one fork or shock officially.....who is sponsoring all this ??? Suntour ??
  • + 2
 We have a small office in Valencia in the low rent district. We do advertise with Pink Bike and Vital but that's it. We have sold a lot of product, check out our face book and there's plenty of pics that customers have sent in from all over the world. Yes it does take money to launch a company, especially when it involves suspension manufacturing but what else would we do with a 401k? Retire on the beach or build a company that shakes things up a bit? We choose DVO!
  • - 1
 yeah..and pigs can fly , right?
  • + 3
 Not really sure where you want to go with this but we have been in business for LESS than two years and have sold over 500+ forks and our years worth of production is pretty much spoken for. We have a few more products to launch this year and the future looks pretty darn good for DVO. We all walk out of Marzocchi because the passion was gone and we need a better reason to work hard all day long. The leader of this company has a long and valued relationship with a lot of people in this industry not to mention he built the previous suspension company from a small garage to a major multimillion dollar player. We are in good hands and if there is a bone to pick with us, not sure why?
  • + 2
 Thanks for letting me apply. Even though I doubt you guys are going to hire, its nice to know that you guys actually care about the individual compared to other companies that care about statistics and groups of people.
  • + 1
 Bring the application back and lets see what we can do!
  • + 2
 I am just hoping those Diamond forks are half as good as my old original Marzocchi Z1 Bombers. I have a feeling they might be, and if so I'm going to have to buy a set for my 29er and my 650b...
  • + 3
 Thanks AmbientLight! Yes the Diamond will be way better the original Z.1's and this is from the guy that brought it to life! Look forward to working with ya in the future!
  • + 1
 The review is spot on. I've ridden those trails, an will testify, the Emerald and the Jade are truly the best tools for the job. DVO has been able to do something no other brand is willing to do, Mass Produce "Factory Level" suspension. The craftsmanship and quality that go into every DVO product is second to none.

DVO suspension isn't cheap. If you truly believe in the technology, adjustments, and ride quality, than you will pony up and spend your hard earned money. As more reviews come out and more consumers have the product, there will be less hating and a lot more loving.
  • + 1
 Thanks ryane, we are stoked you see and feel our vision!
  • + 1
 Bad A$$ looking products in my opinion, maybe even at the top of the list (Ano Green yumyum). I feel DVO did a good job advertising their products for the consumers they are targeting. Everyone seems to be dogging the price, but top notch QA comes at a high price. I’m sure there are some members here that have pro-sumer camera equipment and has probably spent almost the same amount on just a camera body. But let’s be real both camera products and suspension products take hours of engineering to develop.... one thing that separates the two is that the camera will not kill you if it fails, on the other hand the if the fork fails then it can kill you! Who knows, DVO may end up growing and may make a more affordable line, but for now they are a new company and $hit cost money!!! Can’t wait to see what the future holds!!!
  • + 1
 Well said buddy!
  • + 1
 i am awaiting the arrival of my third gen epicon for my trail bike. i agree with the 1st comment...dont be like mtb action. thing is i know of the relationship between the guys at dvo and suntour. cant wait try a single crown from dvo. companies in todays market work together..it is better for everyone.
  • + 1
 Yes it is!
  • + 1
 Internet is a playground for haters. Real mountain bikers go for a ride and puncture and say damn on well that's the game. Later on down the road a frame gets cracked, again it's part of the game. The seal being installed incorrectly wasn't the best step but it happens were human fucking beings shit happens. As for the long term for the company it's gonna e around for a long while. I see lots of companies acting funny but I know for a fact DVO don't play around, few people step up in the very beginning and say what's gonna happen. They're coming though, patience is a virtue wait for good shit.
  • + 1
 Well said, thanks Yazzie!
  • + 2
 I'm really surprised that nobody has a problem with the weight of 3,5kg?
That's like back in 2007.
But I guess if you pay more than 2000. - just for a fork, you must believe that this fork is absolutely superior.
  • + 2
 Do your math properly - it's 3,25kg. Smile
And no, the majority of weekend warriors doesn't have a problem with such a weight because they are riding fork around the 3kg mark - 40s up to 2013, Boxxers RC and R2C2, Dorados and 888s. Smile
My fork is a MRD Dorado 2009 with a coil-conversion due to problems with the air-chaimber. It tips the scale at 3,22kg and i'm perfectly OK with that. Because i know the difference between it and a Boxxer WC regarding its work through the trails. Wink
  • + 0
 So a mrd dorado weights 3.25 kg thats is more than my dorado pro 2950 gr. How is that possible?
  • + 8
 hitarpotar:
Wow you must be a math genius. Just one question... Do you always believe manufacturer information without verification?
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The forks you mention cost half as much if you look at effective prices and I guess what denlo wants to say is, that there is no technological progress in a fork that ways significantly more (500g compared to the 2009 Dorado Pro and most of the 2014 forks lineup) and probably performs just as good as an older Dorado, but costs a twice as much.
I really love what the guys at DVO are doing, and there is no hate in what I'm writing... but it's a matter of fact, that there is a lot of hype around DVO just for some shiny pictures and a lot of comments on pinkbike. Some people need more than just that.
  • + 1
 This "review" and the vital mtb one (www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/EXCLUSIVE-In-Depth-First-Ride-on-the-DVO-Emerald-Fork-Jade-Shock,6250/Slideshow,0/bturman,109) say otherwise i.e. DVO really is a cut above the others. As for weight I'm running a 4kg Marzocchi Shiver so switching to an Emerald I'll lose at least half a kilo!
  • + 1
 One thing regarding weight is to look at the total weight of the bike. Lots of our customers have bikes built up with the Emerald weighing in at 36-38 pounds without going to crazy with carbon parts. Since frames and components are getting lighter and stronger its time to out a little weight back into the parts that really need it and that's the suspension. Oil is heavy, it's one gram per Cubic Centimeter and the Emerald has nearly 400 cc's of oil in it. We tested the Emerald with less oil and the performance just wasn't there and we know that durability and reliability will be compromised. At the end of the day, if you're going faster with more comfort and control is the weight really a factor?
  • + 1
 The worst thing about the Emerald is this ugly green...
Thank good it´s also available in black.
But the best forks are by Marzocchi... Works great even after 3 years without serviceSmile
  • + 4
 Yes we have black and will offer more color options in the future. Marzocchi does make some great products, we were behind most of their designs for the past 24 years!
  • + 1
 @freakinbob - does "coil-conversion"mean anythimg to you? Let me put it in simple words: the air chaimber in the fork had some issues, so the original owner removed it and put a piston with a coil spring in order to keep riding the fork without needing to buy a new air chaimber, which is a significant amount of money. Smile
@mazze - Dorados, 40s up to 2013 and 888 Ti don't go for half the money of the DVO. A DVO go for 1750-1800 euros, 40s go for around 1300-1400, Dorados go for the same. And i haven't seen till now a photo of the DVO with the weight, thank you for that. But the photo won't change my mind that the DVO is one great fork. Smile
@DVOSuspension - i agree. I prefer to ride a heavier fork that performs flawlessly instead of going super light bit with issues in the performance. That's exactly what i did - chose to buy a coil-converted Dorado instead of a Boxxer WC. Smile
One question on the Emerald though - i have asked you before about that but my question was lef without an answer. Wasn't the Emerald prototype featuring 2 rebound adjustments? If yes, why did you remove one of them in the production model? Smile
  • + 1
 Just give us an anodized gun-smoke color option, please. It will be much more neutral for our eyes and match visually many more bikes. And please, do something with that price Wink .
  • + 3
 @hitarpotar: thanks for support and to answer your question about dual rebound adjust, don't think we ever had that as an option. Rebound damping force is a defined number which corresponds to the air pressure. We feel that with a properly designed rebound piston and shim system you can dynamically control the damping force without adding anymore confusing adjustments that may just make the suspension feel worse. Hope this helps! Cheers, DVO.
  • + 2
 Thanx for the clarification - guess i got confused by something. In other words, if you do the design properly, you don't need more adjustments to confuse you. Smile
  • + 1
 DVO is the ticket.
I've got a Zokes 66 RCV 2006 which they must've designed.
Phoned Marz (Naz) in N.Van about service and he said just ride the bike, change the oil and keep'r clean.
And that was 2 years ago ... fork still ROCKS.
Rides more enjoyable with reliable designs and performance who wouldn't want that?
  • + 1
 Thanks vggg!
  • + 1
 @hitarpotar: in a sense thats total correct. If you can accomplish and tuning or performance feature internally with pistons and shims then why add adjustability that may end up being more detrimental to the user. When we all sit down and brain storm what features to design its all centered around offering the greatest performance and ease of use/serviceability and reliability. Over the past 25 years of being in the suspension business we have seen more than enough incredible life altering suspension designs come and go, what really matters is what works on the trial and to the rider.
  • + 2
 @DVOSuspension
Why is the emerald so f**ckin expensive? I think production costs are much lower. All the other forks are expensive as hell, too. I think a lot of people can´t effort so much money for a fork.
  • + 0
 It's a world class fork, what do you expect? Plus, they have some features the others don't - like the OTT adjustment or the CTA unit, both never seen before in the bike industry. I think DVO were also the first to introduce a removable compression circuit without any fuss, not sure if Marzocchi didn't follow with the 380. Smile
All this gives them the edge to ask for the higher price, despite the fork weighting a little bit more than the others. Smile
  • + 0
 Here is a short list of some of the extra parts that other inverted forks don't have which contribute to the cost: 1. OTT adjustable negative spring, 2. Forged magnesium drop outs, 3. Removable bottom loader (no oil loss) for quick tuning, 4. Carbon Torsion Arch for added torsional stiffness, 5. High quality suspension fluid (maybe 200cc's more than other), 6. Superior Customer Service.
  • + 0
 @hitarpotar:thanks buddy!
  • + 2
 Time will tell of the fork is really such a succes!
  • + 1
 Great write up. These are my home trails and I love reading and seeing the recognition here on PinkBike. If I ever have to get rid of my Fox 40 or come into a few extra pennies I definitely plan on going with DVO. Their shop is 30 minutes from my house and they seem like more of a mom and pop shop compared to the rest of them. I may be ignorant here, but Fox taking up to a month to rebuild my shock is just way out of my time frame expectancy. p.s. post the rest of the pictures from G Spot and the rest of the trails!
  • + 1
 Thanks buddy! We spend a lot of time on those trails testing and going out for afternoon rides.
  • + 1
 IIRC the inner and outer tubes on a telescopic fork are called stanctions and sliders, with the slider being the moving part and the stanction being fixed. By that nomenclature the upper tubes are the stanctions regardless of if it is a USD or RWU design. A lot of people are I think incorrectly referring to the lowers on this fork as the stanctions. I am not an expert though. Perhaps someone can clear this up.
  • + 1
 I think the word stanchion can refer to both the upper and/or lower tubes but in suspension nomenclature the word stanchion generally refers to the smaller tube that telescopes into the larger tube or structure. On a conventional fork, we always referred to the lowers by; sliders, lower casting or legs, and/or monolite. On a inverted fork we referred to the lower tubes as; lower tubes and/or stanchion tubes. By definition stanchion refers to a column or a post. Hope this helps!
  • + 1
 It certainly does. I also learnt how to spell stanchion. By the way, I'm mad keen on the USD SC fork you have in the pipeline. Hopefully something to finally outdo the Totem for looks and ease of getting it in the car boot.
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 Thats y we love pinkbike here in Rincon Mountain Bike Pro Shop ____0^0_____
  • + 1
 The fork specifications look great. I have owned, used and tested a number of forks and have so far really liked the ride of the Dorado Pro. If the Emerald improves on the Dorado mid stroke that would be rad. I never had too much issue with flex I weigh 213lbs or so. But know the Dorado had some give. Be curious to see how an Emerald will feel on the hill. How often are you guys suggesting an oil and seal change?
  • + 2
 The Dorado is a great fork, really underrated in fact. The mid stroke on the Emerald is one of the features you will immediately notice, it stays well in the mid stroke and won't dive/blow through the travel, with no harshness. With the OTT and the mid valve, the fork will skip over the tops of bumps while providing traction and comfort. The CTA really improves the torsional rigidity while keeping the fork compliant, you will definitely notice all these features, especially when you push the fork hard.

With 330cc's of oil in the damper and around 70cc's in the air spring you can go a long time between oil changes. It really depends on the total number of hours and in what kind of conditions. Oil changes for both the air spring and damper are easy and quick so we recommend it at least every six months if you ride a lot. Hit us up directly if you have any questions.
  • + 1
 Thanks
  • + 1
 Hmmm,If i get good customer service,the possibility to easily tune and service on my own with very low maintenance costs and get a product which really performs on highest levels ,the price is ok.it wont last long as the street price will drop down soon for sure anyway.perhaps I wouldnt pay the 2200 but later under 2000.i'lloyd just have to wait and cant be the first to have it.
besides when I swapped my float for a Deville and this later for the mattoc I really got faster because of the better overall performance and control instead of diving through the travel and dancing on roots ;-)
Hope DVO gets really big and as soon as you bring the Bos Kirk Killer out,you'll have me as customer,too.
ride on!
  • + 3
 In my opinion the best looking Forks and Shock around. Love the Green, I hope they make their Emerald that colour too (the prototype is white)
  • + 6
 I agree, the green looks awesome on that black, yellow and blue Fury... not.
  • + 2
 It's coming out in black in green according to DVO when I saw them last month. You can put one on order at your LBS so you can get it on the next drop. It's being imported and distributed by silverfish.

edit: it's a fair bit heavier than a fox40 though
  • + 3
 @wreaman I hope they make their Emerald that colour too (the prototype is white)

Diamond, not emerald ;-)
  • + 1
 Ohh hahaha my bad I meant Diamond!
  • + 0
 I asked them and was told there will be a black Diamond with green stanchions. That is what I want paired up with a ti-coiled Jade for my AM bike!
  • + 3
 Thanks guys! Really stoked your happy with our quality and product design. We will offer the Diamond in more color options, some will be more neutral and a few will be in our DVO green. We are working on green stanchions but it will be a difficult color to pull off, the biggest challenge is durability and we don't want the green anodizing to wear off in a month. Cheers, DVO.
  • + 2
 Neutral colours are boring, stick with the vivid ones, it's what sets you apart! Breaking the mould so to speak.
  • + 2
 Yes we agree but options are available.
  • + 1
 Green looks great on the table, but it would look shit on my red bike. A range of colours will keep everyone happy!
  • + 1
 The Black Emerald is already available, black would look great on your bike and we will have some other colors coming out soon.
  • + 1
 Other colors sound great, limited edition red etc. Maybe have the option to purchase non green adjusters on the blacked out version and offer diff color graphics?
  • + 1
 I totally agree.... Matte-ish to Flat Black with some red ano would be SOOOOO SIIIIIICK. If I were chasing hundredths of a second I wouldn't care. That much money for something that ugly is a hard pill to swallow. I prefer a more sinister look, and algae green just doesn't do it. Looks like I'll refine my skills and stick with my inferior fork.
  • + 1
 Thanks for your inspiring and honest words on how "ugly" the fork is, LOL. Matte and flat black with some red would also be sick, but theres a ton of people who do like the DVO green and for those who don't we have the all Black Emerald.
  • + 1
 Any way to get the black emerald with different colored graphics on arch and black adjuster nob vs green adjusters? just a thought that may appeal to the ones that dont like green at all.
  • + 2
 Definitely airmiller44! Great suggestion and we will look into it!
  • + 1
 I gotta see that black then.... You guys are bringing so much to the table I could see myself selling a some gear to get on one of those. Can I achieve an A-C of 555mm? I'll take a hit in travel if necessary.
  • + 1
 @OldSkool: In all honesty, the black is cool but very understated and doesn't really bring out the intracasies and details of the fork. If you don't want to scream "DVO EMERLD" when you're ripping down the trail then go with the black! Thanks again and look forward to having you on DVO!

AC on the Emerald is 574mm at 203mm of travel.
  • + 1
 Sent this email to DVO on 09/04/13:

"Hey John,

I have been waiting for the ermerald to come out since early summer and a friend just told me about the first batch of 300 that will be assembled next September 10th,


Can it be possible to include my name in the waiting list for the first signed batch?

If so please advice how can I make the down payment (or if the fork has to be fully paid)


Thank you for any help,"

Never got a response, got a fox 40 float for a while and now I own a BOS idylle air rare for a month.

Would still like to read a long term review of the DVO by a real life costumer...
  • + 1
 We´ve already tried and used a thinner walled steel axle instead of a aluminium one, that was in weight as low as the alu counterpart but the stiffness was better. Could be felt easily when riding the bike. Have you ever tried this instead? Or is this torsion arch so much stiffer... not in theory... tested?
  • + 1
 We haven't considered using steel since our axle is quite thick and sturdy but it could be an option. The CTA does increase the torsional stiffness and we don't notice the aluminum axle slipping or flexing during the lab tests or on the trail. Might be something we could consider in the future though! Thanks for insight.
  • + 1
 This reminds me of the launch of PnP for Windows 95...SHIT happens...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfNQOOr9aR8
Way to step it up DVO and be honest about it. Go public and MAN up!

This will pay off for you on the long run! Smile
  • + 3
 Thanks buddy!
  • + 1
 Why everyone trys to spin the story...and saying owners are worried about seals.....lets get back to reality. I have an Emerald on my V10 for the last 4 weeks. If you get a chance to ride this fork, do whatever you can to try it out. The fork is amazing. The OTT is awesome. The OTT allows you to run your fork a little stiffer if you are going to hit big hits, but smoothes out the small bump sensitivity. Best way to say how satisfied I am as a customer was the Tunnel/Cold Spring test on (5 shuttle runs). Anybody that knows this trail knows it is tough.This trail beats the hell out of you, but after your ride on the Emerald, you realize you didn't have the forearm pump and hand fatigue you did on your other fork. This fork smooths out the trail so the vibration coming back doesn't rattle your hands as much as other forks (for me compared to Marz 888 ti and for another fox 40 kashmir. Less fatigue makes a better ride, I can't wait to spend all day riding NorthStar with all the brake bumps. How many people look forward to that?? Like I said. do whatever you can to try one. I am impressed.
  • + 1
 Thanks ShivermeTimbers! Appreciate the support and super stoked your love the fork!
  • + 1
 I'm currently looking on the market for new suspension. Very interested in the DVO but the only thing that puts me off from making an order of the Emerald fork are the color options!
As cool as the green looks, it's just not for me. If it was a few years ago when I was really into my bright lairy colors then yeah sure, I'd be down for that! However these days i prefer things abit more low key.(compare the last two bikes in my profile lol )
On the flipside the black option makes the product look boring, cheap, doesn't bring out the amazing detail of this fork.
Gun metal & black /Pro-Circuit Gold/silver/root-beer mixed with the black lowers would have been a much better option, more neutral, professional and would suit pretty much any bike out there.

Anyhow great article and all the best to DVO, seems like they've kept true to their word, heard nothing but good things about them so far!
  • + 5
 This years colours are yellow, pink and brown... I read it in Neopolitan magazine ;-)
  • + 2
 We will offer a third color option which is brownish. Check out our Face Book page and there's some pics on there with the brown-root beer colored fork.
  • + 1
 I wonder how stiff is the fork, with and without CTA (compared with a boxxer for example). Because I'm a light rider and i don't think I need the extra 300g for 25% more stiffness.
  • + 1
 The torsional stiffness of the Emerald without the CTA will be on par with the Dorado. We have ridden the Emerald with the CTA and it rides great but if your a serious racer or hard core rider you "may" prefer the added 25% stiffness the CTA offers. The Boxxer isn't all that stiff from a transverse and torsional perspective and that's why it has been one of the most successful forks out there.
  • + 1
 Ok. Good to know. I'll test a dorado soon.
The torsionnal stiffness of the boxxer isn't a issue for me, only the "frontal" stiffness. I ride a domain because I don't want my frame to pass my front wheel when I use the brakes. (and because I love barspin)
But it's an issue with a 2002 shiver SC on my singlespped bike (It's fun but i can't go fast and be safe).

Thank's DVO for answering all the custommers questions so fast!
  • + 2
 Thanks faul! It's good to hear from everyone! Cheers, DVO.
  • + 1
 I dig that fork so much!!! Not sure that lime green really rocks with too many color schemes, like that GT, but on a nice white frame or raw aluminum with ano'd green accents or rear triangle. Titty bag mommas!!!!
  • + 1
 Thanks man!
  • + 3
 Looks like these guys are very customer service oriented... A promising future!!!
  • + 3
 For sure, customer service is a big part of it and severely lacking from the other guys. Our goals are pretty simple, make awesome products, offer awesome customer service, pay the bills and ride bikes!
  • + 3
 7.25 lbs?!? And $2200?!? Insanity!! My boxxer wc is cheaper, lighter, not green, and proven! No tks dvo.
  • + 4
 Cheap, light and not green aren't really sound technical reasons in regards to suspension performance but we respect your opinion! We just feel there is a need for something better in terms of suspension design that will deliver faster times, improved comfort and control and greater customer support.
  • + 1
 Only one tiny comment on how the forks tracks. I'd love to see the torsional rigidity tested back to back with a non-inverted design. I cant see how it could possibly be as rigid as a traditional design.
  • + 1
 The secret is the CTA arch! Doubt it will be as stiff as the old 40s but the new 40s have been made to be less stiff so that says something.
  • + 1
 On dirt, Torsional rigidity isn't as critical to control and horizontal or transverse stiffness. We spent a lot of time developing different CTA's to dial in the exact amount of torsional stiffness while still allowing for compliance which is crucial for traction under cornering and braking. Inverted forks will be very stiff horizontally-transversely due to the large upper tubes, especially under braking as the fork telescopes and becomes shorter as the smaller diameter stanchions go into the larger upper tubes. We feel we added just the right amount of torsional rigidity with the CTA, it's really something that needs to be ridden to completely understand but your overall control and comfort will be improved and overall DH times will improve!
  • + 1
 @DVO: will you sell different archs? Like siffer ones for heavy manly riders and flexier ones for light flowy riders?
  • + 1
 sometimes its just better stiff...

sometimes its just not darn stiff enuf :-(
  • + 0
 I know, im bitching. but those weights are impossible. maybe without oil etc. just look at this pic...
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  • + 1
 My emerald should be here in the next week or so, I hope you guys are planning on going to the last race at Bootleg Canyon in March.
  • + 1
 Yes we are and come by for anything you may need from us!
  • + 1
 I cant think of anything more useful than being able to tune the rear shock in such an easy way. The suspension makers treat us as though we're still in the kindergarten
  • + 1
 So are you guys seeing a successful business model so far? Or is it still a make or break affair. I hope you guys succeed but opening a new business is tough.
  • + 1
 So far the business model is going as planned and the reception for the Emerald has been awesome. We have practically pre-sold our entire years worth of production and the Jade rear shock and the Diamond Enduro fork will be out soon.
  • + 1
 keep up the good work DVO, I love the green .. ronnie your the man.. hope to have one on my bike soon. ps makripper your F ING clown
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 So the rear shock is good, quick get it in production so I can get one for 2014 SeaOtter!
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 Working on it!
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 I can't help but notice you guys posted what appears to be copyrighted material on your website, can you better explain the damper tables & graphs which were obtained from the Racetech Bible
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 Like which stuff? We made all the graphs and tables and didn't know basic damping information was copy righted by anyone.
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 @NoDeVO: strange how you just created an account today to chime in, way to man up!
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 As the photos appear to be exact copies of someone else's, just saying cuz I have the Book man...
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 if you want I will post the bible for you guys
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 Made those charts on keynote, I have been involved in the suspension business for over 25 years and have made thousands of these type of charts.
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 Do your gloves wear out faster because you hold your grips so far to the outside? Shouldn't you have your hands more inside towards the middle of the grip?
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 I wouldn't mind taking that little Yamaha for a spin!
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 Need to get it back up and running!
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 Inverted air fork with awesome sensitivity and the torsional flex problem solved? Heck I am in! Thanks for innovating.
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 Thanks sidecar! Look forward to working with you!
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 Not in my opinion. Don't get me wrong it's great to have a new brand such as yourself but mountain biking needs to be its own sport.
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 @ $2,200 for the fork. it appears we are making sure their VC investors are getting the return they required.
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 You would be correct if our fork costs $100 bucks to make and the rest was profit. We aren't like those other guys, there is some serious technology in materials and design with the Emerald and the price is justified (we feel). It's not for everyone but fortunately there's other less expensive suspension products out there and we didn't want to be just another cheap suspension part. Furthermore DVO is a self funded entity.
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 the price would be justified if manufactured in North America...
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 @superdanu: Unfortunately the price would be a lot higher if manufactured here in the States. In Taiwan we can visit all our critical suppliers in a day and oversee our parts being made, in California we couldn't find anyone who could manufacture an upper tube (drawn from alloy tube, machined, honed, gun drill, polish, anodize) and I'm sure the cost would of be astronomical if we did find a local supplier. The same goes for our carbon fiber CTA, the seals, the stanchion tubes, the forged magnesium drop outs, etc. The center of bicycle parts manufacturing is in Taiwan, over the past 20+ years they have made themselves into the offering the highest quality centralized manufacturing environment for bicycles. The result is that todays riders are able to buy the most advanced bicycles ever developed and although some of the prices are seem high, the technology is worth the price. 20 years ago I paid $7,000 dollars for a hand made aluminum bike that was 34 pounds light, fully rigid, and sucked the chain into the chain stays ever shift cause the rear end was crooked.
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 by those standards then, you would expect every high-end fork to be in the 2000' and up however, that is not the case. I take your point and i also understand that you need to support your company, but i was just trying to justify paying significantly more for similar quality (unless you want to tell me that no other fork out there even comes close to the emerald...)
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 @superdanu: We feel that the Emerald has significantly more quality made parts in it than our competitors. For example, our stanchion tubes are drawn, honed and tapered where the Fox 40 has used straight wall stanchions in the past. Our other parts such as the forged magnesium drop outs are very expensive to make, we could of made them from a forged alloy but the weight would increase. All our surface finishing on the sliding parts are honed to perfection and our pistons, seals and shims are made from a very high grade of material. Fox and Rock Shox are a little less expensive to manufacture and therefore the price is lower than the Emerald. Its not to say they are cheap in anyway, we just have a lot more going on with our product than they do and hence the difference in price. Totally respect your opinion and just want to shed some light on what we are doing and why the Emerald cost a little more. Cheers, DVO
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 $2200 is a lot of money for a fork. While it is great to see a new company in the market that can potentially compete with the major players it is sad that your prices are much higher than the major players. This unfortunately will probably lead to price inflation in the fork industry which will screw the consumers in the end.
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 if it were "a little more", as you mentioned, I'd get it.
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 @prestonDH: price inflation pertains to either too many dollars going after too few goods. There are a lot of high-mid-low end forks out there and supply is plentiful. Price inflation can also refer to products that offer less over the years and the price remains the same, that certainly isn't the case these days, high end products are expensive but mountain bikes are insanely better now than they ever were so that means more value for the same or less amount of money "deflation". The Emerald is more expensive but offers a lot more which means production and development costs are higher. Thus far, the riders who have purchased them are extremely happy and worth the cost, you get what you pay for.
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 Well its a simple function of "how much are the customers willing to pay?". Why would a company not charge more to increase their profits? I am pretty sure, DVO, Fox and everyone else is a FOR profit business, you loyalty lies to your investors, stakeholders, owners, etc and not to the consumers. Although all for profit companies like to make the consumers think that is where their loyalty lies. And there is nothing wrong with that approach, it is business and anyone with half a brain can/should recognize that.

Don't get me wrong, I still want to try an emerald for my undead and I really want to try a jade too. Both will probably be secondhand due to the prices, but I still want to give them a shot.
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 In a public company your motives are very different than truly working for your customers. Our business model is purely consumer driven, we don't need to be big in order to make profit, we were part of a profit driven organization and its not the business model we want to be apart of. We want to bring top notch performance with a customer service driven mentality and being smaller will greatly enhance this opportunity. We look forward to having you as a customer someday and you won't be disappointed with our products! Cheers, DVO
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 presonDH...it's more like 2800
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 From what I have heard, DVO does seem to be more consumer oriented and that is great I wish more companies really focused on the end user of their products. But please don't say your company is purely a consumer driven business because if that is the case you would sell your products at cost. You are marking them up to make a profit and that's what a business does, everyone is in business to, first and foremost, make a profit, secondly, to have a sustainable business to continue operations and profiting, and helping consumers and everything else is essentially all tertiary. If you're truly were consumer driven you would be a non-profit organization and either give your products away or sell them to the consumers at your cost, but no one in there right mind would develop a top of the line bicycle fork, shock or any component just to give away without making profiting.
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 couldn't have said it better myself.
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 Preston DH: The MSRP is based on the manufacturing cost, distributor cost, dealer cost, then MSRP. If we sold direct we would enjoy a better profit margin but we don't. Non Profit organizations aren't exactly consumer driven and many so-called non-profits enjoy a handsome profit margin at the end of the day. DVO is very consumer driven, we have to be, if we made products purely for profit we would produce a part that had the lowest possible development cost with the highest possible margin, suspension is definitely not in this equation. High Performance Suspension requires that largest investment in any bicycle component with the return many years off.
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 Seal leaking after riding in the dust, let me have a go here in the UK see how it does!
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 It was weaping cause of a bad install and not much to do with mud or dirt.
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 looks just like my best bike build in dh supreme!!
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 I wonder if that rad BMX bike has a tensioner..maybe it didnt need one. Sick whip nonetheless. That V10 looks so clean! I bet with the green emerald its even more amazing.
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 There are tensioners at the axle, moto style!
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 for reference: 320cc of oil = .68 lbs

Anyone, other than google, know the total volume (cartridge, bath, ...) for the 40 and boxxers?
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 Its roughly 1 gram per cc of oil.
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 Anyone want to buy one of my kidneys so I can afford this and a Mach 6 frame?
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 Those sanctions are sexual
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 So are the stanchions Smile
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 The sanctions against North Korea you mean?
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 beat me to it..
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 I guess technically, those are uppers (green "sanctions") and the stanchions are hidden behind the carbon arch.
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 Thanks guys!
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 I'm waiting for the DVO Diamond. I see much larger market for it, especially if they price it reasonably (around 1000€) and performance is exceptional.
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 Coming soon! We will incorporate a lot of the performance features of the Emerald into the Diamond and the weight of our prototypes come in at 1900 grams.
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 I don't wait for the diamond. I wait for a single crown 180mm emerald! It would look awesome! The Rubis, whith shiny red uppers! hahaha!
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 this is every technicians dream fork, shim stack adjustment that is that simple, count me in
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 Thanks buddy!
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 When the possibility comes to get a set of emerald and diamond when it comes out, then im on it!
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 Thanks sopi! Look forward to having you as customer soon! The Emeralds have been shipping, we have some serious back orders that we are working hard to fill and the Diamond will be out in a few months. Cheers, DVO
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 Pimp, but I'll stick with x-fusion superb low maintenance insanely high performance forks for 1/2 the price.
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 I had a 74 Motobike. Jumped it until the frame cracked. They were heavy but very fun.
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 @DVOSuspension, When I make it to Cali, i'll hit you guys up for a ride...
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 Look forward to it! Cheers, DVO
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 Any chance on a 180mm air fork in the future. Love the green.
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 Yes we are working on expanding the DVO product range!
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 I love what DVO does, but I'd love to take a rip on that Yamaha BMX!
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 We have to get it back up and running!
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 Got a dvo and use it in evil undead. ;-)
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 Does the forks work as well as claimed?
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 Yes, the fork works much better than Boxxer and Fox. Its on par with a Dorado and small bump compliance is superior. Its also stiffer than the Dorado. Build quality is ahead of all of them, the finish is gemlike.
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 Thanks Wakaba! Really pleased your stoked on the Emerald!
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 How low is minimum pressure? Is it safe to go below 60psi?
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 60 PSI is about the lowest suggested but it won't hurt anything to run lower pressure. If you're a lighter rider run the 60 psi and back the OTT off all the way then trail test it. Feel free to contact Ronnie at ronnied@dvosuspension.com for more precise set up tips.
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 Thanks wakaba!
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 That bike must like to have inverted forks on it...
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 We agree!
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 Makes me miss my Shiver...
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 cant wait, saving my hard earned dollars now haha........
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 Tested dvo emerald in evil undead. . The best ride ever. .
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 Thanks buddy! Great to hear.
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 when are you gonna enduro, dvo?!
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 Real soon, we have the Diamond ready to launch in a few months!
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 pics if ya got 'em! pls&thnx!
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 Hey fullbug: we have some pics on our Face Book and Pink Bike did a little expose of the Diamond last year. We will have more pics coming soon!
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 on it. thnx.
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 Holy fuck that's my dh trail.
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 i was scared, i thought i saw all that DVO on a specialize.
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 OK!! It`s better to lose a day than fly over in 5 minutes
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 What are we supposed to watch here?
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 Click the link and watch those awesome shots
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 Ok, thanks!
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 £1800 is far too much money for a suspension fork.
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 I guess technically, those are uppers (green "sanctions") and the stanchions are hidden behind the carbon arch.
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 Yes that's correct.
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 I love when they do stuff at my home trails Smile
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 Yo where is this trail? is it near placerita cyn??
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 Stage Coach near the Valley area.
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 G Spot!!!!
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 Hey smart guy MCMbiker: good job on calling out the name of illegal trails that all the actual locals try to keep on the down low. But I guess when you don't actually work on the trail and just show up and thrash it you don't really care.
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 Haven't ridden there in a long time, but I'd be down to help if you ever go and do maintenance, just hit me up
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 yep intensemack10....that is what they all say....heard that worn song for a long time. Weeds need triming 5 guys in whole area do work, Jumps need fixing, same 5 guys do work, fix rain damage same 5 guys do the work....build new stuff same 5 guys do the work...for the last 10 years...MCbiker you are not in the 5 and I know that for fact...please edit your post of names
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