New Cane Creek AngleSets - Sea Otter 2011

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joshleb (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:04)

Or they could make a bike with decent angles to begin with...

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mrscruff (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:06)

nothing wrong with a bit of adjustability

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matt7 (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:07) (Below Threshold)

seriously?

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alexblayden (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:21)

it seams like a pointless product for me because i would buy the right frame and forks in the first place and never see the point of changing head angles depending on the terrain but there is defiantly a gap in the market for this product because i know riders that prefer to spend more time adjusting there bike than actually riding it.

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dougies (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:30)

some people do ride at a level where small adjustments can help their riding...

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kaveh (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:34) (Below Threshold)

i think it is good because you can use 18cm fork on a bike who it Designed for 16cm travel fork (for exp reign x)

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DARKSTAR63 (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:43)

I agree with your point, but only to a certain extent. We have gone into this discussion many times - so Im not going in depth here- but in the article Mike Levy points out a PERFECT application for such a device. The Trek Remedy is a sweet bike, but as Mike points out the latest iteration has been steepend. Good for some, but certainly not all. Enter the angleset.

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rubbman (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:28)

Wouldnt the use of a longer fork void the frame warrenty??

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DARKSTAR63 (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:48)

You wouldnt have to, you can use the stock length fork. Putting a longer fork on the bike would effectively change the head angle anyways so you actually prob wouldnt need the angleset. Plus it would void the warranty. Thats whats nice about the angleset.

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kaveh (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:52)

the longer fork void warranty because it changes the front angel and makes more presser on head tube.now with the AngleSets it wont changes the front angel.

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DARKSTAR63 (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:32)

The longer fork actually produces more mechanical leverage on the headtube. It doesnt change the angle of the fork in relation. The angle-set DOES do that.

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kaveh (Apr 21, 2011 at 11:15)

2cm longer fork = 2 degrees slacker head tube

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aoneal (Apr 21, 2011 at 7:12)

Conspiracy theory: Cane Creek owns the mofia and they force all bike manufacturers to construct their bikes with extra steep/slack head angles, forcing us all to buy their products. I was forced to buy one as were many others. Think about it.

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richierocket (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:33)

Hmmm, are you paranoid or pointing out a valid point??? Hmmm...

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taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:43)

Sometimes there is no difference except the amount of marijuana consumed.

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curtykills (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:14)

If you think this product is lame because you either need to ride your bike more or the bike should have correct angles to start...You are missing it big time. Course variations, riding styles and for differences all make the big bikes ride different. This is one of the biggest innovations since the external BB. I assure you that if you buy a bike in 2011 forward it will come with an angle set or be a part of the preferred build. I know that if you could have it, if it fit in your frame or you actually could ride one and adjust it, you would run it in a second.

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cyrix (Apr 21, 2011 at 14:59)

Welcome to pinkbike. where the teenagers know more than the companies making the products. "IF I DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR IT NO ONE HAS A NEED FOR IT!!!!"

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waughwilliam (Apr 21, 2011 at 18:09)

Hahaha. I couldn't agree with you more cyrix

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jovian0ne (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:38)

Still nothing on the 44/44 angelset? Decline Mag has been the only source to reference it. Can't believe CC wouldn't have it at Sea Otter.

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monstertiki (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:48)

Adjustable head angle headsets are great for frames that can take the stress. Good job canecreek for find ways for customers to tweek their geometry on their rigs if they choose to do so.

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rip8569 (Apr 21, 2011 at 10:10)

I don't understand the negative comments about the Angleset...if you want a simple set up with no adjustablility, don't buy it or a frame that has it pre-installed. Someone who races or rides a bike to a level that having an adjustable head angle would make a difference has a definite use for this technology. For the average rider it's probably not of much use, but that doesn't mean it has no use to a certain segment of riders.

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betsie (Apr 23, 2011 at 11:47)

What level of rider would this be good for out of curiosity?

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learnmtb (Apr 14, 2013 at 17:22)

Wow surprising amount of people posting that are actually UPSET that they have a choice? And interestingly a lot of negative opinions from people who haven't even used an angleset. What you SHOULD be upset about is when your choice is taken away-ie 26inch wheel size being fazed out purely to force the market into buying new bikes.( Even though they are proven to be lighter, stronger, faster accelerating, better centre of gravity. ) but I digress. Anglesets can make good bikes great. I am a mtb instructor/guide, I have a Mojo slr which is perfect candidate for an angleset, I get to have the benefits of the HD without the extra weight, meaning my all day, all mountain bike with dropper post is well under 11kg with 2.4 rubber all round. Don't get upset about choice. Get upset when it's taken away.

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vycious (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:26)

I have one, its amazing, not to mention all you out there who talk about buying the right setup... what about those of us who don't have a bottomless budget, sponsors or time to research the bikes we buy? This is a great part for those looking to really sharpen their game. PERIOD!

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richierocket (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:35)

Man, you should always find time to research a bike you are considering buying or you obviously DO "have a bottomless budget".

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HOJJJ (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:14)

In my opinion, this is just something else to go wrong, bike manufacturers should concentrate on products for the real world, we dont really want adjustability, most people just want something that is reliable, not too expensive to buy, and something that you can just forget about rather than constantly fiddle with.

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taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:25)

I agree with you in the summer when I can just ride and love my bike, but in the winter I find myself wanting more theoretical adjustability. I know it is in my head, but I want it! I'm just glad I can get out and ride again before I end up buying more crap to make my bike better than I need it to be.

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cyrix (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:01)

Don't pretend you speak for everyone. I want adjustability, and I would absolutely use this in "the real world" as you call it. Just because you don't have a need/use for a product doesn't mean other people don't. Stop attempting to generalize so much.

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v3sleeper FL (Apr 21, 2011 at 19:14)

On the reliability issue, this may not be the greatest thing to happen to DH. There just seems to be too much banging around. I have a buddy with an angleset and it is kinda wobbly (back and forth) and makes a click click sound when you turn. He owns a bike shop and has been a mechanic for like 15 years so it isn't user error. He has even stated there have been a couple customers with the same issue. On the other hand I have poor friends with only one bicycle who only do light DH/AM type stuff and they have angle adjusting boners.

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HOJJJ (Apr 22, 2011 at 2:30)

Thats why I said "most people" you f*cking inbred.

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ziggyzuggy (Apr 22, 2011 at 2:33)

vagina adjustability anyone?

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cyrix (Apr 22, 2011 at 5:41)

Why you so mad? You made sweeping generalizations and I called you out on it. It's okay, we all make mistakes.

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HOJJJ (Apr 22, 2011 at 5:49)

Dude its not a generalisation if I said "in my opinion" and "most people" I was speaking for myself and the people I know and ride with who most certainly couldnt give a shit about a couple of degrees of adjustment to their head angle. I think you should probably take a bit more care in reading other peoples comments before you view your own. Nuff said.

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jptothetree (Apr 22, 2011 at 11:59)

Everyone needs to chill out. If you want it in your bike, buy it. If not, don't.

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cyrix (Apr 22, 2011 at 13:47)

"we dont really want adjustability" That's where you tried to speak for all of us buddy.

"most people just want something that is reliable" And another sweeping generalization.

This is fun. I'm having fun.

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HOJJJ (Apr 23, 2011 at 1:52)

You know what, i'm not going to get into a pointless childish argument on Pinkbike when I can be doing much better things with my life.

And its "generalisation" by the way.

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cyrix (Apr 23, 2011 at 5:44)

Aww kiddo, you don't have to prove to us you have friends. Cheer up, you made a mistake. It's okay.

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betsie (Apr 23, 2011 at 11:54)

I am with HOJJJ, how many Mondraker, Scott riders do we all know that use the adjustment, time on the same day etc. to see what works best?

ME: Hi Mr Mondraker rider.
Mr Mondraker: Hi Mr xxxxx
ME: What cups you running
Mr Mondraker: Whatever came in the bike
ME: You tested with any of the other ones
Mr Mondraker: Nah, I just ride my bike
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Mr Mondraker: What they do, how will they make my bike feel
ME: Try em and see
Mr Mondraker: I just ride my bike, not got a clue what any of the dials or settings do.....

Not hating the idea, they are great for the weekend warrior Dh rider, looking for the magic answer to going fast.
Shame it involves the gym, training, fundamentals, riding and not a new headset/bike/fork/wheel etc.

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HOJJJ (Apr 23, 2011 at 15:29)

Thank fuck someone with sense from the UK!

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taletotell (Apr 23, 2011 at 19:05)

Is it really generalisation in the UK? We North Americans with our bastardized English spell it generalization.

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cyrix (Apr 23, 2011 at 19:29)

Either works taletotell: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generalizing

He just wanted to try to be a grammar nazi. Can't blame him.

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HOJJJ (Apr 24, 2011 at 2:39)

Im not sure if you were being sarcastic or not taletotell but it would be "bastardised"

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taletotell (Apr 24, 2011 at 14:17)

That is pretty ironic! It is bastardized in the USA

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HOJJJ (Apr 24, 2011 at 23:52)

Weird Americanisms

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kodakmike (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:22)

Somewhere i saw that Cane Creek will have a 1.1/8" angleset soon.Would be nice to slacken my Bullit out another 1*.

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mikesanderson FL (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:29)

Was there any talk of the 1 1/8th Angleset? this would be a great thing to revitalise older frames.

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epic09 (Apr 21, 2011 at 17:47)

its called niche marketing ladies, not everyone is going to want or need the product however for the select people that do this seems perfect.

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Bananafish (Apr 21, 2011 at 7:08)

how does 1 degree make any difference at all

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Willie1 (Apr 21, 2011 at 7:18)

1deg is a noticeable difference. It isn't night and day but you can feel it. Warren

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taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:23)

Considering that 2 degrees is the difference between a FR and an xc on a lot of rigs now (66-6

, I think 1 degree would make the difference. I've got a buddy who rides trails on his bike most of the time, but a couple times a year goes to the lift access parks. An angle set for him makes sense.

Personally I just dial the fork travel down on the way up and dial it back up before going down.

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taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:42)

I just noticed it put a stupid smiley on my 68!

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jptothetree (Apr 22, 2011 at 13:52)

lol i was wondering

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Gora (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:24)

Why the hell brands like Trek or Giant makes bikes with steep angle, for some reson? or they give a sh.t and don't care.

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duncanp (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:36)

no idea.. but my giant trance is surprisingly good fun @ 70.5 degrees... that is until it gets steep

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CougarBait (Apr 21, 2011 at 13:18)

Nifty. When are they gonna do an angle set that will fit campy style uppers? (a la Specialized)

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bigtard (Apr 21, 2011 at 22:33)

one of the raddest things ever invented for mountain bikes.most bikes just aren't quite right

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Gora (Apr 22, 2011 at 1:05)

I change my headset in glory01 for bikecomponents angleset 1,5 and wheelbase is longer 18mm

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DH777 (Apr 27, 2011 at 17:36)

no shit :p

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ani5tom (May 19, 2011 at 2:57)

where could i buy a cane creek angleset ec44-ec56/40

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betsie (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:27)

More marketing bollox for the kids.....

Timing. Sunday with K9 reducer cups - Slowest race runs and worst race result ever.
Timing. V10 with reducer bushings fitted - Slower than stock, tested with Freelap.

I guess the manufacturers know more than me and some internet forum :o)

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rip8569 (Apr 21, 2011 at 10:05)

I guess you must be a robot that crushes the same exact run, time after time.

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mark-evans (Apr 23, 2011 at 7:25)

as a matter of fact he is... 10110110

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betsie (Apr 23, 2011 at 11:42)

Ok, so I did 5 runs on each for the V10, timing with freelap, last 3 counting only.
Times were within 0.3s on 1min track on the standard setting and 0.5s with the offset bushings.
My times last weekend at the SDA Ae forest were 1.3s apart due to mistakes (gotta hate mistakes on race runs) and the track conditions changing.

As for the Sunday, I came in 0.11s up on people I normally beat by 20s (26s last weekend) or so and well down in my category (6th)

Negative prop the facts all you like, but the facts (for me and my riding) are the facts.

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v3sleeper FL (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:42)

all i can think about is click click, click click

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Gora (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:32)

1deg is 12mm more in wheelbase in dh bikes

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bigburd (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:16)

Really ? I did wonder how it would affect wheel base , how did you get to that figure? some mathematical equation ? or just tried it out ?

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bmdtech (Apr 21, 2011 at 17:50)

This is a great product for some bikes, with this I can set my Iron Horse 7 point up for a mini DH rig 64 HTA, or a very capable AM rig at 68 HTA. All that only assuming a 2 degree sweep + or - and they are stating 2.5 if you get 2 of the concentric cups. This would let me have a 1 bike solution for a huge variety of terain. Bikes with a 1.5 HT benifit greatly from a product like this. Swap out to lighter weight wheel setup and I have anything from 35 to 40 pound rig.