Cydonia Martyr DH Chain Guide Reviewed

Oct 30, 2013
by Mike Levy  
Cydonia Martyr DH chain guide review test


Cydonia was born when its founder, Frenchman William Ortin, was searching for a chain guide that didn't utilize any plastic components in its construction. When he couldn't find one, he designed and manufactured his own. Taking on that challenge in an arena that is, for the most part, owned by two brands - e*thirteen and MRP - isn't anything to sniffle at, but the Martyr DH is certainly different enough from the competition to stand out. The most obvious talking point is its one-piece aluminum backplate and taco guard, a departure from most other options that utilize a bolt-on, replaceable guard. Clearly, this means that replacing the taco necessitates replacing the entire backplate, but we can't deny that the 222 gram Martyr DH sports a clean and purposeful appearance. There are a few questions to answer, though, mainly if an all aluminum approach, one that stems from Ortin's environmentally friendly attitude, makes sense, and if the $220 USD guide performs as well as it looks.
Martyr DH chain guide details

• Intended use: downhill/freeride
• All aluminum construction
• Sealed bearing lower pulley
• Two sizes: 32 - 36, 36 - 40 (tested)
• Mounting: ISCG 05 or ISCG
• Anodized with laser etched graphics
• Weight: 222 grams (36 - 40)
• MSRP: $220 USD


Construction

The Martyr DH features a one-piece backplate and taco style guard that is in contrast to the bolt-on, modular designs used by the competition, with weight saving reliefs cut into both the face of the guard and the opposite side of the backplate. The guard itself is attached to the backplate via two machined extensions, and it also serves as the mounting point for the lower roller assembly that attaches onto a short arm via a single bolt. Slotted and countersunk holes fit the included flush mounting ISCG hardware, and Cydonia has laser etched both the recommended torque figure for the bolts and the mounting designation, either ISCG 05 or ISCG, so you don't have to guess or measure.

Cydonia Martyr DH chain guide review test
The Martyr DH features plenty of impressive machining throughout.

Whereas the upper guide unit found on most of the competition is usually manufactured out of some type of plastic, mostly used for its ability to dampen the sound of the chain slapping and rubbing against it, Cydonia has gone with an all aluminum assembly with large openings machined into both the inboard and outboard faces that should allow mud and debris to escape. While it may look like the top section is solid, it has actually been machined out hollow in the name of reducing weight, and a chamfer has been added to the trailing edges of both inner faces of the guide unit where the chain might come in contact. A single steel nut and bolt hold it onto the backplate, with it being prevented from rotating by a keyed backside that fits into a corresponding slot machined into its mounting point on the upper arm. A small nut fits into the same slot, an arrangement that both prevents it from rotating and from requiring a wrench to hold it, but it is not captive and can easily be dropped if it isn't being held in place with a finger during assembly. Somewhat surprising given the attention to detail found elsewhere on the guide, the main mounting bolt (which could stand to be 5mm shorter) requires a 3mm hex key, but the countersunk bolt at the rear of the upper unit calls for a 2.5mm hex tool - it would be nice to see only a single hex key sized being needed.

Cydonia Martyr DH chain guide review test
An aluminum pulley wheel is used to add tension, with it spinning on a sealed bearing.


The lower guide unit, which can be removed in its entirety by undoing a single bolt with a 3mm hex key, employs an aluminum pulley wheel that spins on a sealed bearing. Much like at the top of the guide, Cydonia has removed plenty of material from the inboard and outboard plates to allow mud to pass through, and it also bolts to the backplate using the same single bolt, non-captured nut and keyed design to prevent it from rotating. Again, the unit's mounting bolt is a good 5mm too long, with it protruding out the back of the Nylock nut far enough to make us want to take a saw to it, and both a 3mm and a 2.5mm hex key are required for complete disassembly. The design also leaves the bottom third of the aluminum pulley wheel exposed, although it is mostly up and out of harm's way regardless.



Installation

We installed the Martyr DH on our GT Fury for testing, replacing a chain guide that had been bolted in place since we built the bike up back in early June. Fitting a new chain guide can be a tricky job depending on the type of guide and the bike that it's being mounted to, and it quickly became obvious that the Cydonia guide has both pluses and minuses in regards
to the Fury. On the upside, it uses a much more compact upper unit than the longer plastic piece found on the guide it replaced, a component that would sometimes make contact with the bike's swingarm under full compression - this wasn't an issue with the Martyr DH thanks to the aforementioned shorter upper unit that affords plenty of clearance.

The trouble arose when we realized that the Martyr DH's upper and lower guide units sat too far outboard, enough so that the bike's chain made contact with the inside plate of the upper unit even when shifted two or three cogs down from the easiest gear, and despite the fact that the guide was mounted to the bike's ISCG 05 tabs without any spacers that would cause it to sit out from the frame further. In fact, it was mounted in the exact same manner as the guide it replaced. The issue could have been lessened a touch by tinkering with the bike's chainline, although this meant that back pedalling in any of the larger cogs would cause the chain to bind up due to the bad alignment. Ideally, we'd like to see the Martyr DH's upper and lower guide units sit inboard by a few extra millimeters or so in order to provide the necessary clearance.



Performance

Mounting foibles behind us, we loaded up the Fury and headed to the Whistler Bike Park to put the Martyr DH to the test. Alas, it didn't take long to run into trouble, as the chain came off of the top of the 36 tooth ring part way through our first run of the day. The same thing happened again during our next run, and although the lower guide unit managed to keep the chain from completely derailing, it continually popped out from under the upper unit on rough terrain. While we initially suspected a setup issue, it soon became clear that the dimensions of the upper unit, as well as its height relative to the 36 tooth ring, were both conspiring to keep the chain from staying put. The latter surprised us because although Cydonia advertises the Martyr DH guide as being compatible with chain rings ranging from 36 to 40 teeth - it's even laser etched onto the guide's backplate - the top unit isn't able to be lowered enough to provide proper coverage (note the setup in the photo below). On top of the lack of security, it also meant that the chain would make excessive contact with the rear section of the unit when shifted to the smaller cogs, an issue that caused much clanging and rattling when on fast, rough sections of trail. This could be lessened somewhat by rotating the guide counterclockwise on the bike's ISCG tabs, although that then puts the guide's bottom roller in a lower and more exposed position than is ideal.

Cydonia Martyr DH chain guide review test
The Martyr DH mounted to our GT Fury test rig.


While the noise was admittedly annoying, having the chain derail during nearly every run is a far bigger issue, and one that could lead to a serious problem if it were to happen at the worst time. Comparing the Martyr DH to other guides revealed that its upper unit features a far wider gap, and hence there is more room for the chain to dislodge. While the guide might have performed better had we used a larger chain ring (despite the fact that Cydonia says it will work with a 36 tooth ring), we doubt that it could ever be entirely reliable with such a wide upper guide design as there is enough room between the side of the chain ring and the guide for the chain to easily slip past. It doesn't take an engineer to see that Cydonia need to redesign this component, as well as allow for a wider range of height adjustment that would allow it to be used with 36 tooth rings. Talking to Cydonia's William Ortin revealed that he is aware that the width up the upper guide is an issue, and that it was done on purpose to allow the Martyr DH to be used on enduro or all-mountain bikes without any chain rub. While we didn't install the guide on a mid-travel bike to see if it resulted in smoother operation, Ortin admitted that the next production run will see the Martyr DH utilize a revised upper guide that will be both longer and narrower, two revisions that should remedy our concerns.

Cydonia Martyr DH chain guide review test
The guide's trouble can be sourced to its upper unit that is both too high to work well with a 36 tooth ring, and too wide to keep the chain in check.



Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesWith its all aluminum construction, black anodized finish, and gold aluminum lower pulley wheel, the Martyr DH chain guide is one great looking piece of bike kit. Unfortunately, Cydonia need to address a few important design issues before the Martyr DH's performance can match its good looks, which it sounds like they plan to do soon. Until then, we recommend that you stick to one of the more established players on the market, and we'll look forward to testing the updated Martyr DH guide in the near future. - Mike Levy


www.cydonia-bicycles.com

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127 Comments
  • 87 2
 Here in NZ, right at the bottom of the country is Tiwai Aluminium Smelter, apparently it refines some of the finest Aluminium in the world. That smelter uses 15% of our country's power supply, not to mention the greenhouse gases and destruction in the mining process, and the transportation of the ore which i assume comes mostly from Australia, so I ask Mr. Ortin, what is it about Aluminium that is so environmentally friendly?

I'm not hating on Aluminium, and I love riding, just think he's a bit misguided if he thinks Aluminium is environmentally friendly (see what i did there... misGUIDED... haha).
  • 9 3
 Environmentally speaking, plastic and carbon are no better; if not worse. At least with aluminum it's significantly easier to recycle than the two I mentioned. But you are right that's it's a poor material choice for this application.
  • 13 2
 haha misguided funny.
  • 7 0
 I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance. Plastic please. Nevermind me, I need to get back to my 3d printing plastic machine!
  • 13 27
flag jaycubzz (Oct 30, 2013 at 8:25) (Below Threshold)
 Oh my goodness everything we do caused pollution whether we want to or not. Want to make a real difference? You'd better sell absolutely everything-EVERYTHING-including your clothes, toothbrush, house and go live in the wilderness in a teepee utilizing the land to the fullest extent possible goodness me. And you should stop buying bicycles and bicycle components because lord knows theyre made out of OH MY GOD plastic or aluminium
  • 15 0
 @jaycubzz
Every little bit helps.... Incremental improvements are better than nothing...
  • 4 0
 So let's rape pillage and destroy, and kill all the environmentalists!! Black smoke and litter!! At least it's not a wheel hate-fest.
  • 1 0
 @jaycubzz... are you missing my point, or facetiously agreeing with me? Did you not read the last bit of my comment? I wasn't saying we should all go live in stick huts, all I was saying is don't say Aluminium is an envrionmentally friendly option because it really isn't. I understand the environmental consequences of my actions, but it seems Mr Ortin does not....
  • 1 0
 @lumberjack haha completely agree! Good to see the arguement being about something else for a change!
  • 15 0
 Interesting topic and something I've done a bit of research into being an engineer with a conscience...
As raw materials, both Aluminium and Plastics have high embodied energy, meaning a lot of energy is required to produce.

Typical Embodied energy figures:
Aluminium = 155MJ/kg, Nylon 6 (Typical choice for a chain guard) = 120Mj/Kg.

However, recycled Aluminium = 29MJ/kg... this is where the big difference in environmental impact is.
Whilst some plastics can be recycled, many, unfortunately, can't. Anything with glass reinforcement in (eg a chain guard) is not going to get recycled. For example, in the UK, around 7% of plastic waste is recycled, compared to 75% of Aluminium ever produced, still being in use today (ie having been recycled multiple times).

So yes, Aluminium (or Aluminum if you prefer) takes a huge amount of energy to produce, but it's also readily recyclable. In terms of carbon footprint... well New Zealand has over 50% of it's electricity generated by Hydro power, one of the cleanest, greenest sources of power, and you'll often find most Aluminium is produced in close proximity to Hydro Stations, so factor that in as well and it starts to look pretty amazing compared to the Evil plastic! ;-)
  • 1 7
flag AlexArmanetti (Oct 31, 2013 at 15:16) (Below Threshold)
 Has anyone else noticed that environmentalists are typically the stupidest when it comes to what's environmentally friendly or not?
  • 1 0
 @mravilious Thank you! It is good to see some people on here doing some research before making stupid comments! And you are 100% correct!
  • 37 2
 Pulley with bearing? Bushing better in this location. Alu is noisy, plastic damps much better. Chainguide is supposed to give first, saving tabs an frame. This thing does not make sense at all.
  • 3 1
 My thoughts exactly. I'm wondering why the designer insists on not having any plastic parts on a CG - my haggard MRP full of plastic never dropped a chain.. EDIT answer is a few posts below. Still not convinced though.
  • 4 2
 Right, MRP is design. Martyr is faulty thinking, pure styling exercise.
  • 3 0
 i went through 3 chain guides this year 2 mrps and one e thirteen the pulleys on all of em brok off and they were all plastic im gonna try this
  • 1 0
 What exactly broke off? Everything that holds the pulleys (backplate and hardware) are metal, only the little caps on the sides and the bash guard (which actually should be plastic) aren't.
  • 2 0
 the lower guard broke on every one and then the pulleys fell off so i made one out of old seized bearings and a cut derailler cage for a slider
  • 1 0
 you can kinda see it in thiss www.pinkbike.com/photo/10127434
  • 2 0
 Not to creative, i litteraly have that exact same pulley wheel ON MY DERAILEUR, difference is, mine is blue.
  • 1 0
 Hey Wuzu, are you running a singlespeed setup?
  • 4 0
 chainguides are the way of the past. so many riders at rampage rocking the fat skinny SRAM design chainrings - I have a Raceface version ($45 USD) and it totally works - havent dropped a chain since installing. been through at least 3 or 4 plastic chain guides (MRPieces of s___t) - never looking back
  • 2 0
 The Sram chainrings work but then youre missing a bashguard.
  • 1 0
 If you really need the bash gaurd, then just buy the bashgaurd seperate, thatway you save money and weight
  • 1 0
 If you can make a very small change to something simple, say it's better, and charge more money, why the f not?
  • 1 0
 I broke the plastic pulley shield/mount on a g2 chainguide this year at whistler. All but one of the village's shops were sold out of the plain g2. (Lots of g2sl in stock) If that last shop had been sold out too, I would have been completely screwed. With a custom/wide version made for a canfield jedi, my bike would have been out of commission due to that 50 cent plastic part. Plastic almost meant vacation ruined!
  • 1 1
 sram rings only work if you have cagelock and idk im just saying im gonna try this maybe mrp sucks ethirteen is marginally better alot of the other big companies are heavy or no different so basiclly there is no good setup
  • 2 0
 a chain device that does not retain the chain = fail

aluminium alloy worst material for side plate contact with bicycle chain = excess noise, friction and increased wear to drivetrain

(why do you think Shimano / SRAM derailleur pulley wheels are nylon)


non-replaceable taco = replace whole backplate?


chain devices are hard to design and this one just does not seem to have learned anything from E13 and MRP
  • 1 0
 i need to design one it will be great simplicity = perfection along with adjustability
  • 1 0
 Josh your derailleur is sick tho! mabey you need to be less of a hack....
  • 1 0
 Wuzu, if you're destroying so many guides, maybe your chain is too short.
  • 1 0
 hack shmak its downhill man im sure i go more days then you no offence
  • 2 0
 I am pleased with the Straitline Chaindevice. There is no lie in the name "silentguide".
No bearings, easy to clean, only downside is that the stock mounting screws for the igsc mount corrode.
  • 1 0
 mmmmmmmm sounds good they are quite heavy tho
  • 1 0
 Yes, indeed. But i was so pissed about the broken bearings (on my old e13 and mrp guard) that i went for it...
  • 16 0
 Good one Pinkbike. Saving tbe public mlney. Please Review the Mozartt chain devices... never had one last so well and only comes with an initial flaw of the tacco shape not being round which when striking a rock can cause you to slkw down too much, soon sorts itself out though if you ride rocky stuff all the time.
  • 1 0
 I hope someone is searching for a cheap and functional guide and couldn't find any than e13 or mrp comes out with a solution too.
  • 3 2
 I've had 3 Mozartt guides, can't recommend them enough
  • 2 1
 I have a Mozartt Wog Mini on the DH bike almost two years now and couldnt be happier with it..
  • 7 1
 blackspire DER guide! NO MOVING PARTS SON!
  • 2 0
 Just about to say it. Blackspire DER guide is a perfect piece of mountain bike kit.
  • 1 0
 Check out our new Presto chainguide. The new project will be avaiable on April 2014, but some magazines are already got it.
Darren Berrecloth had a huge influence to the project, and it becomes his signature product!

www.pinkbike.com/photo/10278875
www.facebook.com/mozartt.components
  • 1 1
 I have mozartt and would recommend to anyone!
  • 1 0
 Yep, they're awesome and very silent.
  • 12 0
 Thanks for taking one for the team PB! Would have been a lot more unhappy riders out there if it weren't for this review
  • 9 0
 To anyone that's interested, please check this out..

www.pinkbike.com/photo/10162258

I made this chain guide myself; machined carbon fibre back plate and plastic guides, no noise and works perfectly. If these people are charging $220 for this!? What could I charge :-P
  • 1 0
 depends on how well it works
  • 5 0
 I'll give you 5 dollhairs
  • 1 0
 i'd buy one. looks simply enough, plenty of adjustment for ring sizes, bottom looks compatible with a pulley or slider.
  • 2 0
 Well in all fairness the top guide needs a slight mod, in 3 months of reasonable riding the chain has come off once, but it's light and stiff as fuck
  • 2 0
 let's talk about that Kenda Excavator guard on the downtube! Smile
  • 2 0
 that looks rad. i bet people would buy it.
  • 1 0
 Ahahahaha like that do you Wink saved the tube numerous times to be fair!
  • 3 0
 E Thirteen LG1, massively popular and seemingly indestructable.... errrrr, they are not ! The taco which also mounts the bottom chainguide pulley is weak at its mounting points, and suffers with getting brittle over a period of time, this also happens to the top roller. The replacement cost of the plastic parts is almost as much as the ludicrous price they ask for a new one.... Personally i would love to see an all alu/Ti/whatever opposed to plastic... but at a realistic price... and $220 is too much....
  • 6 0
 Whiners take note! A PB review of a product that it critical in nature and does not simply shower praise.
  • 5 0
 a chain guide that doesn't guide the chain lol . it's like buying a suspension fork that comes only in locked-out mode 0mm travel.
  • 5 3
 "There are a few questions to answer, though, mainly if an all aluminum approach, one that stems from Ortin's environmentally friendly attitude, makes sense..."

Aluminium is one of the most widespread metal but has no known biological function and is a neurotoxic.
emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview

Buy carbon !
  • 12 0
 After some research, carbon isn't environmentally better... Frown
  • 18 0
 Time for a wooden chain device ?
  • 11 2
 I think that I can safely say I'm not concerned about neurotoxicity when selecting my chain device. Hopefully I won't spend much time ingesting bits of chain guide.
  • 6 0
 Carbon nanotubes are known to cause lung cancer bro. The non plastic taco has me trmbling in feer for my ISCG tabs.. Poor design all in all.
  • 2 0
 chopping board works great
  • 11 0
 I never knew that. So when I kiss my bike, I am killing my brain cells?
  • 13 7
 spudlord - ugh... people always tell me I read too much into stuff... forgive me - it is nothing directly to you but for general information.

We live on a finite planet, everything we do affect others. When aluminium gets excavated, processed into an alloy with other metals (which also get excavated and processed), it releases toxins which will finally get into the water (just as everything else gets into the water). That water will come to you in some form, be it tomato, rice, meat. Food is made of water to largest degree, just as we are. So in the end you are ingesting bits of your chain guide, Not maybe - for sure. I'm not for some Eco mumbo jumbo, because when not understood it makes more damage than good (eco fuels, coal power instead of nuclear)

Plastics are the "ecological" material of the future because they are the ones that are easiest to recycle. We produced so much stuff from it, that all it takes is to give it a new form it when it gets worn out. Carbon will never be as recyclable as plastics or metals, not even close. It can be downcycled but not recycled and definitely not upcycled. Plastics can be upcycled we have tons of it, that nobody wants, that people pay you to take away from them.

So please all you manufacturers, don't talk BS about ecology unless you give complete information...
  • 4 3
 WAKI +1
  • 6 5
 bigburd - I have a wooden chain device - plywood/ carbon sandwich Big Grin It lasted a couple of good knocks and two seasons in wet environment.

Seriously, people who tell us that wood is ecological material should be shot in the knee, and there's plenty of those eFfers! First off if we all suddenly demanded all stuff to be made of wood, we'd be all dead in 10 years as there would be not a single tree on the planet. Even if we were 1/10th of current Earth's population. Then our construction woods are impregnated with so toxic stuff that vast majority of it should be sorted as dangerous goods. At least this is what is advised and enforced under law in Scandinavian countries.
  • 5 1
 My MRP G2 works fine...
  • 3 0
 I love cycling. We all love bikes here, don't get me wrong, however we seriously need to think about the shit we are creating. I definatly think that bamboo is the way forward for making bikes, even if it was just xc hardtails and cyclocross bikes etc. that don't have to put up with as much. Now you may be thinking bamboo is not a sustainable material either and we are killing pandas by using it. But the fact is, bamboo is one of the fastest growing plants in the world an if we could farm it, in a couple of years we would have enough hard and established bamboo plants to harest and makes bike frames from, and then the plant would have grown back in a couple of days to harvest from again. It is also good for them to copse them regularly so we would end up with green bikes, turning co2 into oxygen. Win win?
  • 1 1
 @lukachadwick, bamboo why not but it can have internal cracks you can't control for industrial production.
Titanium is known as good for health and good for bikes but what about extraction process ?
  • 3 0
 @brutalpedz this is true however there are supper string glue type treatments that cove inside and out and will fill the cracks and give it a plasticky coat which can be painted on or can be left to preserve the colour of the bamboo.

As for titanium. It's is my favourite metal. It is really strong and so so light. And now you tell me that it is good for the environment. However I researched it and it is very very cheap as a raw material and yet it is so expensive for the public? I think there is definite business opportunities to work with extracting companies and make cheaper components and frames in Ti. It is, IMO, the most underrated material used in the bicycle industry.
  • 5 3
 Bamboo bikes currently require use of toxic resins to impregnate fiber materials to join the tubes. But there is a light at the end of the tunnel and many smart people research the possibilities of making biodegradable, organic, low-toxic resins. We already have bio-degradable, organic resins that can be used to impregnate perfectly organic, perfectly ecological hemp fibers. Urge does their veggie helmets from such thing. So maybe bamboo is the future, I'm all for it despite the obvious "performance drop". Talking metals - to my knowledge it is the Steel that is the least environmentally harmful metal material to make bikes, even those advanced Reynolds 853, 953 alloys produce least toxic stuff before they are formed into a tube or profile in your frame, and cleanest to make it into a tube again.
  • 1 0
 Titanium is cleaner than Steel and is largely used for medical applications. Steel debris can cause post-op infections. But it is still (haha) a better option than Aluminium.
  • 9 4
 I ask because I have no time to look for info: how clean is it before it becomes a titanium element? Titanium is very rare, Iron is very common. Ah about bamboo... I'm fine with performance drop but prices will be of top end CF bikes. At the end of the day... I always get sht for that... at the end of the day mountain biking SHOULD be an exclusive sport. If you have money and time to do MTB that means you are a damn fortunate fellow with too little life problems in perspective of the the state of the whole world population. 1/3 of humanity struggles with putting something to their mouth every day, then another 1/3 struggles with not putting anything to their mouth every minute.
  • 2 0
 Waki, nice one, I do agree with you 100%, if I could I would give you 1000 like for ur comment.
  • 1 0
 Titanium isn't that rare at all. It's the 10th element in terms of abundance on Earth. 2 things drive its cost : the process complexity to purify ore and its strategical use for aeronautics, space etc... so there is a large control of production by States.
Concerning the process, with the little informations I could get, except the acid used to wash magnesium chloride (magnesium chloride is used for cooking) there is nothing bad. However, Titanium oxide (the ore itself) is harmful for humans but didn't found in which way.
These are informations gathered in few minutes, so I may be wrong.
  • 3 1
 Seriously, I do like the idea of a part of the guide made out of wood(bash and top guide). Sure it may be slightly heavier, but it actually makes a lot of sense in this application. It's cheap, abundant and easy to produced. I'm not entirely sure how strong it is, but if built (oak or maple)right it can go a long way.
  • 1 0
 I have to make a guide for my bike (it's a jedi and I can find only MRP crap). I am guessing how to do it. I'll test wood plate for you!
  • 2 0
 I think you may want to check your "complete information" WAKIdesigns... plastics are far from easy to recycle - only some groups of plastics can be recycled, and even then that's if the grade is known: if you pick up a piece of plastic how do you now what grade it is, what fillers and additives have been blended in, and how many times its already been recycled? The answer is you don't, and for that reason, most of it gets sent to landfill.
If you're in any doubt, take a look at the many papers that have been published on recylablilty of plastics, recycling rates for different materials... it's not talked about too much as no manufacturer is going to advertise that they've chosen to use a material which is more damaging to the planet than the alternative they could of used, but that's the reality. Why do we choose to make things out of plastic? Because it's the cheapest option, that's the bottom line.
  • 2 0
 Thank you mravilious for your input, I'll look into that. Bows to you for not making it personal as it happens often on the internet - then nobody gains anything as egos become more important then the topic - Hah! I found a d* that talks nonsense - I happen to know the truth and I'll prove him wrong - I'll make him look like an idiot as a chance to make myself look smart!

Then I must have fallen victim to false information propagated by few companies making things like furniture, carpets, construction elements from recycled "plastics" - I haven't really checked that. I have nothing else to defend myself, than say that I am no material engineer, and no time to read scientific papers on it, preferably from various sources, even more preferably presenting opposite sides of the argument. We live in the world of contaminated Science, and even if all was clean people take stuff out of the context and quoting it to suit their own interest. But because some douche talks crap sometimes someone can tell what it is really like, and everyone can see the "truth". So if you can make it a bit straighter, please do every time you see a bloke like me talking total bollocks.

Cheers!
  • 5 0
 Seems like you'd want to make an upper guide narrow enough to....I dunno....guide.
  • 1 0
 I think it's a solid effort. You guys had teething issues from time to time, but your warranty department kicks ass like Chuck Norris!
  • 1 0
 Add to this the fact that small roller bearing as it has tend to be stuck by water and mud (as it happens with the Sram X9 and X0 derailleurs, switched to the less blinging X7 which has bushing...).
Good to see good and bed on PB's reviews, good job dudes.
  • 5 0
 Lg1 weights 200g and costs 2x less...
  • 2 0
 and works well!!
  • 5 0
 blackspire der, no moving parts and is cheaper than lg1!
  • 2 0
 have an LG1+, love it, but gotta mention straightline silent guide....
  • 5 1
 TBH I just saw $220 and skipped the rest. FFS that is $1 per gram of aluminium. I hope noone buys this on principle.
  • 3 0
 If you read the rest, you would know that no one will buy it as it doesn't work well
  • 1 0
 You should also realize that price is *inversely* proportional to weight.
  • 1 0
 Yes yes of course, cheap, light, strong - pick two. Still a rip off for what it is.
  • 1 0
 you don't pay for parts based on weight. Material is obviously factored into the price, but you are paying mostly for machining and R&D
  • 1 0
 for comparison, a Zipp carbon bottle cage retails for $100 and weighs 17 grams. That doesn't necessarily mean you are paying nearly $6 per gram of carbon
  • 3 0
 Come on, how much R&D really goes into replicating the design of any other chain guide but choosing to make it out of aluminium? Not much from the sounds of the article.

I am all for high quality machining and am happy to pay a premium for it. I don't cheap out on my bike parts, you get what you pay for. But accepting stupid prices like this (significantly more than the market leaders, which are already expensive) is daft.
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 www.ebay.com/itm/Chain-Guide-adapter-for-BB-mount-ISCG-32t-40t-FOURIERS-Black-Free-Shipping-/160918427888?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25777c58f0 replaceable taco included, almost the same design as e13 for cheaper... take a look if you're interested I run one and it works as well as e13 and better than my old silent guide although being a sponsored rider nobody's going to take my word for it
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 nvm meant this: www.fouriers-bike.com/en/pro.php?m=d&pid=31&cid=18&f=3, if you're interested send me a pm and I'll talk to them about adding it to their ebay store
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 Oh, French design again... looks like a bad design and bad luck recently for France. I remember once a company presented here, with their, as they claimed, revolutionary design and use of steel. It was Caminade, boldly named One4All. And yet history repeats itself. Don't get me wrong - I could kill for Lapierre Zesty / Spicy and I fell in love with one since I had a chance to ride it this year for a while, but when I see something new done by French, it does not find any sympathy from me. But I wait patiently...
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 Not so nice after all!
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 MRP and E13 guides are already outrageously overpriced for a piece of metal and some plastic (but we all buy them anyway lol) but GTFO with this price point.
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 Well, that didn't go as planned. Well done pinkbike. I will never understand why anyone would run anything but a silent guide though....
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 silent guide all the way !!!...
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 One of the better reviews PB has put out there. I hope they update the guard and find success.
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 What the F...ck with eco psycho babble, tensioner is working or not, bike itself is environmentally friendly means of transport do not have to moonlight undue ideology
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 Materials aside, reuse is miles better than recycle. If a broken skid plate means a new back plate rather than a small moulded taco it is worse. Period.
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 has anybody noticed the big scratch on the chainstay ? what happend there ?
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 I'll stick to my blackspire der guide
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 i made custom chainguide weighting about 250 and cost me 40$
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 Not everyone has an engineering background and/or time to design stuff themself although I wish I did..
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 i do not have engineering background. i have straight hands and clear mind - it is quite enough to save money on this.
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 On my local trails that exposed roller would be destroyed in no time.
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 100% agreed!

looks like the taco guides any obstacle straight into the pulley for instant destruction of the pulley.
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 Shimano's SMCD-50 is damn good......for less than half the money
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 You know how rare those are in the States. Only place I found the guard was on Ebay shipped from Taiwan.
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 How can you do eny test on a chain guide with a chain like that ?
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 Meh! Gonna stick with Csixx
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 Sixpack chainguides are the best in the world
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 Those tyres glued in place or something?
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 Its noisey and the chain falls off. Its crap.
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 Still like my mrp X0 guide more!
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 220$ ????
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 Taco cant be replaced? For 220$?
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 $220, not even carbon!
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 And not even working
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 220$ o_0







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