Cydonia was born when its founder, Frenchman William Ortin, was searching for a chain guide that didn't utilize any plastic components in its construction. When he couldn't find one, he designed and manufactured his own. Taking on that challenge in an arena that is, for the most part, owned by two brands - e*thirteen and MRP - isn't anything to sniffle at, but the Martyr DH is certainly different enough from the competition to stand out. The most obvious talking point is its one-piece aluminum backplate and taco guard, a departure from most other options that utilize a bolt-on, replaceable guard. Clearly, this means that replacing the taco necessitates replacing the entire backplate, but we can't deny that the 222 gram Martyr DH sports a clean and purposeful appearance. There are a few questions to answer, though, mainly if an all aluminum approach, one that stems from Ortin's environmentally friendly attitude, makes sense, and if the $220 USD guide performs as well as it looks. |
Martyr DH chain guide details • Intended use: downhill/freeride • All aluminum construction • Sealed bearing lower pulley • Two sizes: 32 - 36, 36 - 40 (tested) • Mounting: ISCG 05 or ISCG • Anodized with laser etched graphics • Weight: 222 grams (36 - 40) • MSRP: $220 USD
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ConstructionThe Martyr DH features a one-piece backplate and taco style guard that is in contrast to the bolt-on, modular designs used by the competition, with weight saving reliefs cut into both the face of the guard and the opposite side of the backplate. The guard itself is attached to the backplate via two machined extensions, and it also serves as the mounting point for the lower roller assembly that attaches onto a short arm via a single bolt. Slotted and countersunk holes fit the included flush mounting ISCG hardware, and Cydonia has laser etched both the recommended torque figure for the bolts and the mounting designation, either ISCG 05 or ISCG, so you don't have to guess or measure.
The Martyr DH features plenty of impressive machining throughout.Whereas the upper guide unit found on most of the competition is usually manufactured out of some type of plastic, mostly used for its ability to dampen the sound of the chain slapping and rubbing against it, Cydonia has gone with an all aluminum assembly with large openings machined into both the inboard and outboard faces that should allow mud and debris to escape. While it may look like the top section is solid, it has actually been machined out hollow in the name of reducing weight, and a chamfer has been added to the trailing edges of both inner faces of the guide unit where the chain might come in contact. A single steel nut and bolt hold it onto the backplate, with it being prevented from rotating by a keyed backside that fits into a corresponding slot machined into its mounting point on the upper arm. A small nut fits into the same slot, an arrangement that both prevents it from rotating and from requiring a wrench to hold it, but it is not captive and can easily be dropped if it isn't being held in place with a finger during assembly. Somewhat surprising given the attention to detail found elsewhere on the guide, the main mounting bolt (
which could stand to be 5mm shorter) requires a 3mm hex key, but the countersunk bolt at the rear of the upper unit calls for a 2.5mm hex tool - it would be nice to see only a single hex key sized being needed.
An aluminum pulley wheel is used to add tension, with it spinning on a sealed bearing.The lower guide unit, which can be removed in its entirety by undoing a single bolt with a 3mm hex key, employs an aluminum pulley wheel that spins on a sealed bearing. Much like at the top of the guide, Cydonia has removed plenty of material from the inboard and outboard plates to allow mud to pass through, and it also bolts to the backplate using the same single bolt, non-captured nut and keyed design to prevent it from rotating. Again, the unit's mounting bolt is a good 5mm too long, with it protruding out the back of the Nylock nut far enough to make us want to take a saw to it, and both a 3mm and a 2.5mm hex key are required for complete disassembly. The design also leaves the bottom third of the aluminum pulley wheel exposed, although it is mostly up and out of harm's way regardless.
Installation We installed the Martyr DH on our GT Fury for testing, replacing a chain guide that had been bolted in place since we built the bike up back in early June. Fitting a new chain guide can be a tricky job depending on the type of guide and the bike that it's being mounted to, and it quickly became obvious that the Cydonia guide has both pluses and minuses in regards
to the Fury. On the upside, it uses a much more compact upper unit than the longer plastic piece found on the guide it replaced, a component that would sometimes make contact with the bike's swingarm under full compression - this wasn't an issue with the Martyr DH thanks to the aforementioned shorter upper unit that affords plenty of clearance.
The trouble arose when we realized that the Martyr DH's upper and lower guide units sat too far outboard, enough so that the bike's chain made contact with the inside plate of the upper unit even when shifted two or three cogs down from the easiest gear, and despite the fact that the guide was mounted to the bike's ISCG 05 tabs without any spacers that would cause it to sit out from the frame further. In fact, it was mounted in the exact same manner as the guide it replaced. The issue could have been lessened a touch by tinkering with the bike's chainline, although this meant that back pedalling in any of the larger cogs would cause the chain to bind up due to the bad alignment. Ideally, we'd like to see the Martyr DH's upper and lower guide units sit inboard by a few extra millimeters or so in order to provide the necessary clearance.
PerformanceMounting foibles behind us, we loaded up the Fury and headed to the Whistler Bike Park to put the Martyr DH to the test. Alas, it didn't take long to run into trouble, as the chain came off of the top of the 36 tooth ring part way through our first run of the day. The same thing happened again during our next run, and although the lower guide unit managed to keep the chain from completely derailing, it continually popped out from under the upper unit on rough terrain. While we initially suspected a setup issue, it soon became clear that the dimensions of the upper unit, as well as its height relative to the 36 tooth ring, were both conspiring to keep the chain from staying put. The latter surprised us because although Cydonia advertises the Martyr DH guide as being compatible with chain rings ranging from 36 to 40 teeth - it's even laser etched onto the guide's backplate - the top unit isn't able to be lowered enough to provide proper coverage (
note the setup in the photo below). On top of the lack of security, it also meant that the chain would make excessive contact with the rear section of the unit when shifted to the smaller cogs, an issue that caused much clanging and rattling when on fast, rough sections of trail. This could be lessened somewhat by rotating the guide counterclockwise on the bike's ISCG tabs, although that then puts the guide's bottom roller in a lower and more exposed position than is ideal.
The Martyr DH mounted to our GT Fury test rig.While the noise was admittedly annoying, having the chain derail during nearly every run is a far bigger issue, and one that could lead to a serious problem if it were to happen at the worst time. Comparing the Martyr DH to other guides revealed that its upper unit features a far wider gap, and hence there is more room for the chain to dislodge. While the guide might have performed better had we used a larger chain ring (
despite the fact that Cydonia says it will work with a 36 tooth ring), we doubt that it could ever be entirely reliable with such a wide upper guide design as there is enough room between the side of the chain ring and the guide for the chain to easily slip past. It doesn't take an engineer to see that Cydonia need to redesign this component, as well as allow for a wider range of height adjustment that would allow it to be used with 36 tooth rings. Talking to Cydonia's William Ortin revealed that he is aware that the width up the upper guide is an issue, and that it was done on purpose to allow the Martyr DH to be used on enduro or all-mountain bikes without any chain rub. While we didn't install the guide on a mid-travel bike to see if it resulted in smoother operation, Ortin admitted that the next production run will see the Martyr DH utilize a revised upper guide that will be both longer and narrower, two revisions that should remedy our concerns.
The guide's trouble can be sourced to its upper unit that is both too high to work well with a 36 tooth ring, and too wide to keep the chain in check.Pinkbike's take: | With its all aluminum construction, black anodized finish, and gold aluminum lower pulley wheel, the Martyr DH chain guide is one great looking piece of bike kit. Unfortunately, Cydonia need to address a few important design issues before the Martyr DH's performance can match its good looks, which it sounds like they plan to do soon. Until then, we recommend that you stick to one of the more established players on the market, and we'll look forward to testing the updated Martyr DH guide in the near future. - Mike Levy |
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I'm not hating on Aluminium, and I love riding, just think he's a bit misguided if he thinks Aluminium is environmentally friendly (see what i did there... misGUIDED... haha).
Every little bit helps.... Incremental improvements are better than nothing...
As raw materials, both Aluminium and Plastics have high embodied energy, meaning a lot of energy is required to produce.
Typical Embodied energy figures:
Aluminium = 155MJ/kg, Nylon 6 (Typical choice for a chain guard) = 120Mj/Kg.
However, recycled Aluminium = 29MJ/kg... this is where the big difference in environmental impact is.
Whilst some plastics can be recycled, many, unfortunately, can't. Anything with glass reinforcement in (eg a chain guard) is not going to get recycled. For example, in the UK, around 7% of plastic waste is recycled, compared to 75% of Aluminium ever produced, still being in use today (ie having been recycled multiple times).
So yes, Aluminium (or Aluminum if you prefer) takes a huge amount of energy to produce, but it's also readily recyclable. In terms of carbon footprint... well New Zealand has over 50% of it's electricity generated by Hydro power, one of the cleanest, greenest sources of power, and you'll often find most Aluminium is produced in close proximity to Hydro Stations, so factor that in as well and it starts to look pretty amazing compared to the Evil plastic! ;-)
aluminium alloy worst material for side plate contact with bicycle chain = excess noise, friction and increased wear to drivetrain
(why do you think Shimano / SRAM derailleur pulley wheels are nylon)
non-replaceable taco = replace whole backplate?
chain devices are hard to design and this one just does not seem to have learned anything from E13 and MRP
No bearings, easy to clean, only downside is that the stock mounting screws for the igsc mount corrode.
Darren Berrecloth had a huge influence to the project, and it becomes his signature product!
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I made this chain guide myself; machined carbon fibre back plate and plastic guides, no noise and works perfectly. If these people are charging $220 for this!? What could I charge :-P
Or do this
Aluminium is one of the most widespread metal but has no known biological function and is a neurotoxic.
emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview
Buy carbon !
We live on a finite planet, everything we do affect others. When aluminium gets excavated, processed into an alloy with other metals (which also get excavated and processed), it releases toxins which will finally get into the water (just as everything else gets into the water). That water will come to you in some form, be it tomato, rice, meat. Food is made of water to largest degree, just as we are. So in the end you are ingesting bits of your chain guide, Not maybe - for sure. I'm not for some Eco mumbo jumbo, because when not understood it makes more damage than good (eco fuels, coal power instead of nuclear)
Plastics are the "ecological" material of the future because they are the ones that are easiest to recycle. We produced so much stuff from it, that all it takes is to give it a new form it when it gets worn out. Carbon will never be as recyclable as plastics or metals, not even close. It can be downcycled but not recycled and definitely not upcycled. Plastics can be upcycled we have tons of it, that nobody wants, that people pay you to take away from them.
So please all you manufacturers, don't talk BS about ecology unless you give complete information...
Seriously, people who tell us that wood is ecological material should be shot in the knee, and there's plenty of those eFfers! First off if we all suddenly demanded all stuff to be made of wood, we'd be all dead in 10 years as there would be not a single tree on the planet. Even if we were 1/10th of current Earth's population. Then our construction woods are impregnated with so toxic stuff that vast majority of it should be sorted as dangerous goods. At least this is what is advised and enforced under law in Scandinavian countries.
Titanium is known as good for health and good for bikes but what about extraction process ?
As for titanium. It's is my favourite metal. It is really strong and so so light. And now you tell me that it is good for the environment. However I researched it and it is very very cheap as a raw material and yet it is so expensive for the public? I think there is definite business opportunities to work with extracting companies and make cheaper components and frames in Ti. It is, IMO, the most underrated material used in the bicycle industry.
Concerning the process, with the little informations I could get, except the acid used to wash magnesium chloride (magnesium chloride is used for cooking) there is nothing bad. However, Titanium oxide (the ore itself) is harmful for humans but didn't found in which way.
These are informations gathered in few minutes, so I may be wrong.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth's_crust
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium (see Precautions at the bottom)
If you're in any doubt, take a look at the many papers that have been published on recylablilty of plastics, recycling rates for different materials... it's not talked about too much as no manufacturer is going to advertise that they've chosen to use a material which is more damaging to the planet than the alternative they could of used, but that's the reality. Why do we choose to make things out of plastic? Because it's the cheapest option, that's the bottom line.
Then I must have fallen victim to false information propagated by few companies making things like furniture, carpets, construction elements from recycled "plastics" - I haven't really checked that. I have nothing else to defend myself, than say that I am no material engineer, and no time to read scientific papers on it, preferably from various sources, even more preferably presenting opposite sides of the argument. We live in the world of contaminated Science, and even if all was clean people take stuff out of the context and quoting it to suit their own interest. But because some douche talks crap sometimes someone can tell what it is really like, and everyone can see the "truth". So if you can make it a bit straighter, please do every time you see a bloke like me talking total bollocks.
Cheers!
Good to see good and bed on PB's reviews, good job dudes.
I am all for high quality machining and am happy to pay a premium for it. I don't cheap out on my bike parts, you get what you pay for. But accepting stupid prices like this (significantly more than the market leaders, which are already expensive) is daft.
looks like the taco guides any obstacle straight into the pulley for instant destruction of the pulley.