DT Swiss EXC 1550 Wheelset - Review

Dec 25, 2013
by Matt Wragg  
Everything is a matter of taste but for us the matte carbon rims black hubs fat white spokes and red nipples is a winning combination. The net effect is rather flamboyant but if you re laying down this kind of money you don t want something dull do you
bigquotesThe old mountain bike industry adage; "Strong, light, cheap - pick two.' still rings as true as ever with wheels - and nothing personifies the adage as completely as shopping for a set of carbon wheels.

Carbon raised the bar for what customers could possibly expect to pay for premium products. I remember going into my local bike shop as a kid and wondering how on earth people could afford the shiny factory wheelsets hanging high on the wall at the back of the shop. They were out of my reach in literally every sense back then. Standing there, I wondered if I would ever be able to buy something like that. Some 15 years later, the introduction of carbon shattered my youthful dreams once again. The unearthly price tags of my youth could not buy a single wheel from most carbon wheelset makers today.

The old mountain bike industry adage: "Strong, light, cheap - pick two." still rings as true as ever with wheels - and nothing personifies the adage as completely as shopping for a set of carbon wheels. The EXC 1550 wheelset is DT's offering for the all-mountain end of that carbon-clad stratosphere. The pair weigh only 1530 grams, they are only available for 26-inch, and a set will cost you $2749 USD.


The EXC 1550 carbon rim has an internal reinforcing rib.
Details:

• Purpose: All-mountain/trail
• Sizes available: 26 inch only
• Hubs: DT Swiss 240, stainless steel bearings
• Axle options: 20mm or 15mm thru-axle, or QR front; 142/12mm or QR 135/10mm rear
• Rim: Unidirectional carbon, 21mm internal width.
• Spokes: DT Aerolite spokes Pro Loc aluminum nipples, 28, cross-two lacing.
• Freehub: Star Ratchet System, convertible from 10-speed SRAM/Shimano to SRAM XD driver body for XX1
• Tubeless ready: Not recommended
• Weight: 1530g (claimed)
• MSRP: $2749


Construction

DT Swiss EXC 1550 wheels are a few years old now, and they still aren't available in an array of exciting sizes - 26 inch only. They take their name from their approximate weight - tipping the scales at a feathery 1530 grams for the pair. To put the weight saving into context, DT's aluminium EX1750 wheelset, which uses the same rim profile, hubs and spokes, comes in at a total weight of 1760 grams per pair. The carbon rims save 230 grams over their aluminium equivalent - all of it from the rim, where it matters most. This is the kind of weight saving that makes a big difference out on the trail, as any mass at the edge of the wheel is multiplied by acceleration forces as the wheel spins.

At the heart of these wheels are DT s well-proven 240 hubs Even this inside of the rims look good.

At the heart of the EXC 1550s wheels are DT's well-proven 240 hubs; Even the inside of the rims look good.


At their heart, are a set of DT's 240 hubs and there is very little we need to say about them: They are well-proven as some of the best hubs out there - solid and reliable, like a Swiss watch. With this wheelset, front nubs are available with 9mm QR axles or 15mm and 20mm thru-axles and rear hub options are QR/135mm or 12/135mm and 12/142mm thru-axles. You can buy the kits from DT aftermarket to convert them to whichever axle combination you need. Lacing those hubs to the rims are 28 of DTs top-end double-butted Aerolite spokes, fixed by hexagonal Pro Loc aluminum nipples - a light and strong combination that graces their wheelsets, from these EXC1550s, through to their high-end road offerings.

Red white and carbon. A colour scheme that both stands out but shouldn t clash with virtually any bike.

Red, white and carbon - a colour scheme that both stands out, yet shouldn't clash with almost any bike.


DT are fairly secretive about the precise details of the rim construction. They let on that they are laid up with unidirectional fibre, and it is kept simple, with no decorative carbon weave to cover it, as it would only add weight to the rim. Internally they have two hollow chambers inside, which DT say,, adds much more stiffness to the construction. The internal diameter is a healthy 21mm, which may not be as wide as some of the current crop of rims, but is wide enough, and means they are good to fit tires up to 2.5 inches, which should be more than enough for their target audience. However, DT are not entirely sure how tire sealant will interact with the carbon in the rims, and therefore recommend that you do not run these wheels tubeless - doing so will void any warranty.

Setup

While DT may not recommend running these wheels tubeless, on a trail bike we suspect most people who buy these wheels will want to go down that route. We have not had structural problems running other carbon rims tubeless, but DT Swiss prefer to remain conservative and steer their customers away from this than allow them to use something they are not 100% certain of. You have to respect a company who are not willing to permit anything they do not have total confidence in, and if you do choose to do this, you have to remember you are voiding the warranty on a $2750 wheelset. The problem with running tubes in these wheels is the weight gain. For comparison, the heavier aluminium EX1750 wheels may be a couple of hundred grams heavier, but they are designated tubeless ready. Looking at total wheelset weights, including tires and tubes on the EXC1550 and running the EX750 wheels tubeless, they come in at pretty much the same weight.

With a set of Schwalbes Super Gravity tyres mounted on them we put plenty of miles in on these wheels on the rocky trails above Sospel.

With a set of Schwalbe's Super Gravity tires mounted on the EX1550s, we put plenty of miles in on the wheels on the rocky trails above Sospel, France.


Mounting the wheels with a Stan’s NoTubes kit for the first time was not easy. To mount a set of Schwalbe's Supergravity tires, which are a joy to mount on many rims, we could not get them to seat for the first time without a compressor - even with the use of Schwalbe’s mounting fluid. Once there was some dried latex inside the rim from a previous tire, though, they were fine, seating with nothing more than a track pump.

On the Trail

Riding a set of ultra-lightweight, ultra-stiff rims on your bicycle is a joyous experience. While some may dispute the benefits, Mavic, for example, maintain that ultra-stiff rims are not a good thing, we would be inclined to disagree. From the first time you head out your door and start pedaling, the bike just feels faster and more nimble. Even rolling up the road to a trailhead is easier, the loss of the rotational mass from the rim will be immediately noticeable to riders of all levels. When you reach technical terrain, that added nimbleness makes it easier to move and place the bicycle exactly where you want it, when you want it. The whole bike feels more direct and precise.

While you shouldn t use them for downhill that doesn t mean you need to be too gentle with them either.

While you shouldn't use EXC 1550s for downhill, that doesn't mean you need to be too gentle with them either.


The EXC 1550s are very much a finesse tool though. Their benefits come in handling and speed - if you are an aggressive rider who tends to smash through lines, and consequently rims, then you will smash through these too. DT make it clear on their website that they consider their carbon rims to be slightly more delicate than their aluminium equivalents, dropping their rating from general freeride use, to light freeride, and not making them available in with the DH-specific 150/12mm rear-axle option. With the tubeless setup, the EXC1550 didn't like being bludgeoned into rocks and roots too much either. We needed to keep an eye on our air pressure, as they had a tendency to lose air if we deflected the casings hard enough.

Pinkbike's Take:
Carbon wheels like the EXC 1550s are never going to be a logical purchase. Even DT Swiss admits that their new aluminium Spline ONE wheelsets are about half the price and are a far more sensible option. The fact these wheels aren't approved for tubeless use also counts against them too. We doubt many people will have the stomach to void the warranty on set of wheels this expensive. Yet, chances are, if you're in the market for carbon wheels, you're not looking for the sensible option - you'll want something special and you're not scared of putting good money down for it. If that sounds like you, then these expensive, impractical wheels that help your bike dance on the trail might just be the ticket. - Matt Wragg

DT Swiss




180 Comments

  • + 205
 yeah $2800, sure....OR go and buy a really nice complete bike for that money and just go out and enjoy true mountain biking ! These stupid prices are starting to get very annoying.
  • + 2
 Yeah, with the Haven Carbons going for about $900 a set it's not hard to pass these up...
  • + 41
 Haven carbon are not $900. The regular aluminum Haven are $900
  • + 4
 Amen brother....
  • + 5
 Easton Haven Carbons-bombproof rims (not the best hubs though), true tubless ready, 1450grams....come up regularity in the Buy/Sell for less than a grand now.

I have been thrashing mine on the shore for 2 years. The odd broken spoke on the rear, not much more. They've been pretty decent. Tons of hard rock hits that have left nothing more than a light mark.
  • + 8
 But ukr77 you are overlooking the fact that buying a set of second-hand Haven carbons will not offer any sort of warranty; something I would most certainly want with a carbon wheelset.
  • - 1
 Ditto Brother!!! :-) x
  • + 44
 I love how despite the fact that DT nor Pinkbike at any point called these a "value", people cry and moan about price. Pinkbike even wrote the disclaimer at the end - "Yet, chances are, if you're in the market for carbon wheels, you're not looking for the sensible option - you'll want something special and you're not scared of putting good money down for it." .......... and people skip right over that and start spewing hate. Good 'ol Pinkbike.
  • - 6
flag Pichy (Dec 26, 2013 at 7:29) (Below Threshold)
 I doubt Easton carbon rims are in the market since two years
  • + 1
 10x135 qr rear only, and not convertible to 142... That's why they're cheap...
  • + 1
 Don't the '12 and Easton Hubs have issues also?
  • + 1
 i'm huge fan of DT Swiss wheels,but for $2800 i will change 7 time brand new wheels!!
  • + 5
 $3000.00 after tax. Not tubeless with 21mm inner. Almost the same weight as mavic x-max.
NOT
  • + 15
 It's shame that the price is so high, It means I can only get 4 sets
  • + 0
 DT no not me!
  • + 1
 why, WHY, why these, why. Stupendous price, even if I had millions I would never buy them. By the way I love the look of them, specially spokes and decals and hubs and that's all
  • + 1
 Mattsavage-the rear hub is convertible to all sizes. The front is convertible from 20mm to 15mm, no the other way around. The comment re: warranty is true for sure, that's the risk you take buying second hand. I picked up my set from the LBS at a blow out price similar to the jenson price maxlombardy listed...which was a good thing as I got the upgraded rear axle for freeSmile
  • + 2
 Now really, a Shimano MT65 tubeless(!) wheelset is heavier with only 270g! And costs 2300 USD less ... Is that "carbon fetish" really necessary? At that RRP doesn't seems this wheelset a robbery? Go and get a whole bike for that money, u'll be much happier with that, instead of these wheels on your wall. Anyways, next year they will come out with a "better looking" set, so you should put apart your coins for that from now.
  • + 0
 Got a set of Haven carbons for sale right now for $850. Rear is brand new, never ridden.
  • + 1
 You must have missed when I posted the link for a brand new set from Jensen for $798 with no tax and free shipping, and manufacturer's warranty.
  • + 6
 I just started using a set of specialized roval traversee E5 wheels from 2007ish. They weigh 1590g, they are 21mm inner width, have awesome DT Swiss hubs, are tubeless, super stiff and only cost me $200. Why would I want these carbon wheels? What's the point?
  • + 1
 So $2749 for wheels that aren't even tubeless ready? Forget the price, DT just lost a whole crowd riders right there with that move...
  • + 1
 Good thing they sell other wheels. I agree about the tubeless, although I still run tubes until tubeless tires and rims get better and don't burp. People want it. But this is a flagship sort of wheel not meant to appeal to the masses.
  • + 7
 So, you lot must hate reading Ferrari reviews. You know, because you can get a complete car for what a brake job on a Ferrari costs.
  • + 1
 See that's the thing - I love reading Ferrari reviews
  • + 4
 The difference between this and a Ferrari is that the Ferrari earns its price by offering a product no one else sells. First, you get an insane amount of performance and engineering perfection with a Ferrari, and second you get all the attention and recognition with the Ferrari brand. So, you can argue that a Ferrari earns its price tag. This wheelset is in fact the opposite. Nothing about it performance wise earns anything close to that price tag, especially when you factor in the competition. And no one gives a shit about it being a DT Swiss wheelset for the brand name to add any value either.
  • + 3
 I'm a Porsche guy ... I'd never buy a Ferrari
  • + 1
 Let's be honest though, who would decide that with $2800 to blow on wheels these are better than ENVEs. For me there would be no contest. I know DT have excellent pedigree in wheels but with Sapim spokes and either King, DT or I9 hubs surely the ENVEs are the obvious choice.
  • - 1
 Youre probably soulless aswell..
  • + 1
 You can't convert Easton rears to 142mm tho
  • + 0
 i'm so sick of everyone bitching about the price of expensive components whenever they're reviewed. did you guys even read this or just look at the price and jump right to the comment section to complain? this is insane.

"Carbon wheels like the EXC 1550s are never going to be a logical purchase. Even DT Swiss admits that their new aluminium Spline ONE wheelsets are about half the price and are a far more sensible option... Yet, chances are, if you're in the market for carbon wheels, you're not looking for the sensible option - you'll want something special and you're not scared of putting good money down for it. If that sounds like you, then these expensive, impractical wheels that help your bike dance on the trail might just be the ticket. - Matt Wragg"

yes, they're expensive, no, they're not sensible, yes, they're not for you, either. or me. but for christ sake, stop bitching every time something expensive is reviewed here. it's the nature of the beast and it's not going to change.
  • + 0
 @ndub18 - thanks for the recap
  • + 1
 on jenson USA haven carbon rear wheel is 300 bucks
  • + 1
 check out NEXTIE-bike.com, i got some of the 650b rims 35mm wide and my choice of spoke holes number and size so you can run the atomic labs torque nipples that have a bigger head than a regular nipple head and my choice of finish. 390 gms and i can get them built with extra materials . they rule and make stuff like these look like a early april fools day joke.

build them up on some kings and you have a amazing set of wheels for around $1000-usd

the best thing i ever spent my money on , they are about $200 per rim shipped
  • + 73
 I'll save you time reading the review. They're damn near $3k and they're a bit shit. The end.
  • + 2
 Accurate summation, thanks.
  • + 1
 Never liked DT. Overpriced crap for weightweenies
  • + 1
 Once I see the price for most of this crap, who cares about the review.
  • + 1
 Get their XM1550s - Same weight and at a reduction of the cost.
  • + 1
 That should have been the review Pinkbike wrote. Although that might warrant some backlash from DT Swiss.
  • + 2
 OR you could just have some local wheel wizard lace up a set of rims of your choice, hubs of your choice, and spokes of your choice and have a better wheelset and have every single part you like for likely under $1000 for the whole set...
  • + 1
 My Stans archs are just fine
  • + 42
 $2800.00? Put down the crackpipe.
  • + 19
 Seriously, You can get ENVE on any hub and really ball out for even less than that, plus you can thrash them
  • + 5
 im intrested in the extra wide rims from interbike that guy was making that was claimed to be stronger than any other carbon rim out there and for 430 each
  • + 1
 Exactly poozank, Enve wheels set, bars and seat post come in a lot cheaper and ooze style!
  • + 0
 ditto about the wide rim! anyone remember who that was?
  • + 1
 I'm pretty sure it was Nox Composites- their AM 27.5 rim was only 6 grams heavier than the ENVE AM, and much wider (27.5 mm instead of 24). $460 per rim though, the $430 sale is over. That is still wayyyyy cheaper than most stuff on the market, and still made in the USA.
  • + 1
 nextie-bike.com and you can get them from who makes them for these guys above for a fraction of the price 35mm wide all mountain rims and they have the fatest carbon rim coming out at 90mm in your choice of spoke hole pattern. the only fat rim with a slight aero profile to give it some really FAT bike look and it wont hold dirt in them like those fat flat holes rims, and tubeless compatable. i should work for the electric company with this much pluggin..,..
  • + 2
 I'm not sure who randomly neg-propped you, but I couldn't agree with you and Poozank more about ENVE. There's a reason they have the corner on the carbon market.
  • + 22
 An extremely expensive set of wheels, that I cant run tubeless, and that will not hold up to too much abuse. I have ridden carbon rims before and I noticed zero difference at all, I did not ride faster, I did not climb any better, and I did not get laid (I thought carbon helped with the ladies but I was disappointed, ONCE AGAIN!) Like they said above, its just not a reasonable purchase, you really would have to have more money than brains to buy these, and if that was true you would stay with the anodized red Crank Bros wheels you already have.

In a way I miss when mountain biking wasn't about shaving grams off your bike, and it was more about having a wheel that was "good enough" for the trails (if it spun and the tire stayed on it was good to go.)
  • + 20
 It still is like that if you get off pinkbike and ride some trails lol
  • + 6
 Ive been mountain biking for almost 20 years and I can say its always been about shaving grams off of your bike. the only thing that has changed is that back then, everything was anodized a funky colour, and a top end trick wheelset cost less than $1000
  • + 0
 they are intended for middle-aged dentist posers Yo!
  • + 2
 lol why do dentists always get mentioned when talking about posers? and bj007 is right, shaving weight has always been a big part of mountain biking.
  • + 4
 Because even their job is poser, they walk around like "Doctors", when all they do it open your mouth after the hygenist cleans and say, yup looks good. Wink
  • + 15
 Alright everyone prepare yourself. I am going to use some forbidden word's here. But my Carbon 30mm wide 29er wheelset that I paid $900 for (American Classic Hubs, Sapim CX-Ray Spokes, Chinese Carbon RIms) weigh 1470 grams. At first I was afraid to ride them. The first time I took them to Big Bear I was so certain they would taco I brought a back-up wheelset. They have survived two years of punishment with many trips to Big Bear. I am a clydesdale at 235 geared up. Did I forget to mention that I have not had to true them yet. Also they run tubeless just fine. I am so impressed I am having my shop build a set of 650B rims for my Mojo HD. DT swiss really missed the point here. This was pretty much a waste of a review in my humble opinion.
  • + 0
 Sounds promising. What rims are they?
  • + 2
 Probably the rims from light bicycle. Just google it and you will get all sorts of user experience on mtbr. I just bought a set of their rims and am having them laced to i9 hubs.
  • + 3
 It wasn't a waste. I would rather have pb tell me what to steer clear of (not that i needed to know to steer clear of $3k rims)
  • + 1
 I had a set that served me well for 2 years. I sold the bike so that is the only reason I don't use them anymore.
  • + 2
 Yes, it is the light-cycle wheelset. Monster thread here on MTBR.com the thread is currently 196 pages long.
forums.mtbr.com/29er-components/cheap-chinese-carbon-rims-673410-196.html
  • + 2
 again a new option that has a 35mm wide rim is nextie-bike.com they are also from china and just amazing value
  • + 12
 I'm sure tubeless sealant gets along perfectly fine with the carbon and DT has just found a way to avoid replacing these for most of their customers.
  • + 2
 the force is strong with this one.... i think you sir, have hit the nail square on the head.
  • + 1
 Depending on the type of sealant you use, maybe not. I've seen rims corroding or failing because of certain types of sealant react with the rim.
  • + 5
 I had a set of these. Will never buy expensive carbon wheels again. Only used them for xc. Had a tube pop and put the wheel out of true. Took it to my lbs to be trued. He put the tyre back on and put 5psi over max. Tube blew up sitting in my car. Cracked the rim in two places. No warranty because of 5psi too much. At the time it was $1300aud for a rim. Now I run light bicycle and derby rims with no issues at a fraction of the price.
  • + 3
 That sounds like it sucks, but surely it's your local bike shop you should be pissed with here?
  • + 8
 True. But it still was a "recommended max psi" and only 5psi. How strong can they really be? And dt wouldn't even reply to my email.
  • + 4
 a rim/tyre should be able to withstand well over the max rated pressure. It should be the maximum pressure that is safe to use on the trail. Having the tyre blow off because of being 5psi over its safe usable pressure is ridiculous. especially if the wheel wasn't in use at the time. Can you really say that the same would not have happened at 5psi lower if the wheel was being hammered through a rocky compression at the time? Having the rim fail because the tyre popped off is also ridiculous. But ridiculous and DT Swiss go hand in hand. They will never again be getting any of my money...
  • + 5
 Well this article was a FAIL on almost every level!!

In the interests of transparency, WHEN did you actually receive these wheels for testing?
Was this even an official testing set?

Did you simply get the date wrong and republish a review from 2011/2012 when these wheels were flagship models?
Even your header image is date stamped 2012! right about the time this review would actually have been current and relevant..

Your spoke count is off too!

I find it hard to believe that DT recently shipped this wheelset out for review and testing recently when its one of the only factory "classic wheelset" that they still sell built on 240s hubs and j-spokes. The other being the still excellent but aging EX1750 (which you reference) and their superlight carbon race wheelsets (950g/1250g pairs on pricey 190 hubs

If DT sent product for a review, then surely they would have sent their later wheelsets where they have moved towards the wider wims that the market is calling for.. and for pinkbike this surely is the EX1501 for a wheel in the PB catagory.

By sitting on review product and taking so long you're essentially published an out of date and irrelevent review - BRILLIANT!
With teh industry changing so fast, you've gotta get stuff published quicker than this!

Perhaps go cap in hand to DT and ask for a set of their superb and very relevant XM or EX 1550 spline1 wheels that come in any wheel size that riders what!
  • + 6
 2800 for a wheelset that can't go tubeless or build up some Chris King hubs with a good set of rims and spokes of my choice for around 800-1200 and have 1600-2000 that i can put in the bank let me think about that.
  • + 1
 I hear ya!
  • + 4
 For those complaining about the price...and who wouldn't?

Premium offerings like these aren't intended to sell in real world conditions, these products are offered up to industry insiders in the way of pro-forms, bro-deals, online "reviews", and shop rat discounts in effort to increase brand recognition. I doubt DT expects to make much actually selling these, in the traditional sense...retail paying customers like you and I. It's a halo product. Nothing to see here, head on over to lightbicycle for carbon rim deals and put the extra $2000 in an investment.
  • + 4
 The one thing that I don't get, as more and more manufacturers turn to carbon, the prices of it continue to climb! Many of these guys are taking us for a ride, especially when I can get a carbon rim from a small local manufacturer for around $350, which still ain't cheap. But it's a bargain compared to these wheels or anything Enve puts out. You can also get a 1455g wheelset from syntace for $1200, which are every bit just as well engineered as DT Swiss wheels.
  • + 4
 This review is pointless. No one with a half a brain would buy these. So many other carbon choices for so much less that are designed to run tubeless - Ligh Bicycles, NOX, Derby rims. That's what Pinkbike should be reviewing. Complete waste of pixels.
  • + 3
 I built up a set of wheels with the chicom www.light-bicycle.com wider 26 inch rims (23mm internal) with 32 spokes to American Classic hubs and they came in at 1490g. Cost me under $700 to build and held up my weight (230lbs+ with gear) just fine and were tubeless with Stan's No Tubes tape and milk. This DT wheel set is a huge waste of money. You guys should review the Roval wheel line because I just picked up a decent set (Control Carbon 29) for $1100 and they weigh 1560g and are 21mm internal. DT hubs are pretty awesome but I'm not a fan of their rims.
  • + 2
 DT will discontinue the 26" wheels saying they didn't sell due to 27.5 being the new standard.
The reason they won't sell is the simple fact that $2800 is freaking ridiculous.
I smell a blowout coming for 1/2 that price on JensenUSA or Pricepoint. because then they would be a reasonable value.
  • + 2
 www.specialized.com/us/en/ftb/wheels/roval-mtb-all-mountain/roval-traverse-sl

Half the price, Tubeless ready, Stiff, same weight and strong as F*ck. Been rocking these on my Endo Sworks for a while and love them. Highly recommended.
  • + 2
 I do love carbon, but that is crazy for the price and to be honest 1530g ain't that light especially when they cost SO much!!
Iv build myself a pair of pro2evos on e13 TRS+ rims 26'' with dt Swiss revolution spokes... They weight 1528g and cost £520!! So cheat compared the these things.. Iv hit a few rocks n things pretty hard to with not even a scratch very happy with that, So you could call my wheels 'strong, light and cheap' Wink
  • + 2
 If you're gonna drop that much coin on wheels. I would go Enve's.

I run hope front / hadley rear hubs with sapim xr and enve 27.5 AM rims. Its a heavier combo than the DT offering reviewed. But crazy precise, bombproof, and confidence inspiring.
  • + 1
 I feel guilty for spending £200 on some 2nd hand tune, sapim, ztr olympic wheels now with tyres, tubes, rotors and skewers.
They were only cheap as you cant ride front qr anymore and it has to be 15mm or the stiffness difference will destroy your ride....

I dont get the wheel pricing think, it is all about the reliability of the hub (insert old tune cracked drive shell pictures here), the lightness and strength of the rotating parts, for xc a narrow rim is fine, for everything else 21mm or wider is all you need.
These wheels weigh the same as my old ex1450 wheels where the hubs were great apart from the stupid rotor fitting, the nipples and rims were pants, the rims fell to bits like I have never seen before, cracking down the middle on the inside and the rim widened for around 6 inches..... not good for such an expensive wheelset, and you cant just pop into your lbs and get a spare rim or buy one for a good price on next day delivery on the tinterweb.
  • + 1
 For that kind of money, you can easily set yourself up on some killer ENVE rims, which ENVE makes in all sizes, and all types, that also come with bullet-proof Chris King hubs and a five-year warranty. Yes, even their DH wheels. So smash away, my friends and pillage and burn every hop, root and rock garden on earth.

If a company can't make carbon to stand up to a certain amount of abuse (we're on MOUNTAIN BIKES here), they shouldn't be selling their wheels for $2700 bones.
  • + 1
 I run Hope Pro II Evo's, Dt DB spokes and Syncros DS28 rims. I bought the rims about 6 months before Scott bought Syncros. The rims are a bit heavy at 545 grams, 1756 grams for the set in 20mm mode, but this is my 3rd year on them. Touched up the front once and the rear twice, to be honest, I could only see it was slightly out of true not feel it. I weigh 250lbs fully loaded and these have held up to over 2500 off road miles. I live for downhills and have only used them on a hardtail. Pinch flats, crooked landings, shuttering slams into rocks, etc... Up until I bought these rims, I replaced a rim a year.

Sure they aren't light, but I don't race. I have a set of light weight wheels that need constant attention, truing. I built the wheels for $480, I would rather have durability and money left over for.. well, I built up my Cotic BFe for a grand total of $1900 in 2012, including the price of the wheels. Too bad the old Syncros are gone, they had a very good carbon All Mountain rim that past all the media tests and were mostly affordable.. That would have been my next upgrade.
  • + 1
 I am starting to thing the prices that are being said here on Pink bike are double the actual price. That way when you see a $1400 set of these rims you are like " Oh damn, Killer deal BRO" and you pick it up. Its all a conspiracy.
  • + 1
 Didn't even bother reading the rest of the article after I saw the specs and saw that they are not recomended to run tubeless. Why bother. Why did they even make these rims. Would it be that much harder to make them with a good tubeless profile. What a waiste of time For dt to even put out in the market. I9 carbons. Lighter, stronger, cheaper. U can have all 3. Compared to a wheel set like this.
  • + 1
 UST certified tyres weigh a ton, using slightly lighter 'tubeless ready' tyres and heaps of sealant can't be much lighter and definitely a lot more hassle than simply running a light weight inner tube and some non-tubeless tyres. I don't know the exact weights but if weight is the only concern, I can't see tubeless actually being noticably lighter...!?
  • + 3
 I remember seeing forum posts on here with people crunching down the numbers and the difference between tubes and tubeless was barely noticable, less than 100g per wheel with the components they used. Contrary to popular belief, tubeless was never made for weight savings or running lower pressure, it's to eliminate pinch flats and punctures. Personally, I hardly ever flat so I don't feel like it is worth the trouble but if I lived in the desert and had to deal with cactus spines, I would probably be singing a different tune.
  • + 4
 Thanks, that is the advantage of tubeless but you can still burp air from them with the same results, and fixing punctures involves trying to undo the bead seal and dealing with messy sealant... I've personally never been convinced by tubeless and prefer to run slightly higher psi in a tubed setup
  • + 5
 100g per wheel at the rim is a huge deal, that extra rotational mass makes a huge difference.
  • + 2
 Tubeless is the real deal, lighter, faster rolling for the same PSI, much better puncture control. A burp from tubeless is the same action as a pinch flat, tubeless will lose some pressure so whack a pump on and put it back in, tubes you're pulling the repair kit out and looking at a 10 min job assuming you're good at it. Installing and removing a tyre is pretty easy once you have the technic. I'll never run tubes again.
  • + 0
 As someone who has been running Super tacky DHFs on my all mountain bike for the last month I can confirm that the weight makes an enormous difference. They are 500g heavier per wheel than my regular setup and getting up to speed on flatter ground is next to impossible.
  • - 3
 erm.... a tube full of sealant will re-seal itself as well as, if not better than, a tubeless full of sealant. And it wont burp......rolling resistance yes. Puncture resistance no. Perhaps a good idea for road bikes, or mtbs than only see gentle use. Any tubeless set up pushed hard through a corner or over rough will drop pressure, even if only a little. A tube wont. And a flat tyre has much higher rolling resistance, negating your only real advantage.......
  • + 0
 If you have decent (Stans) rims and you're running over 20psi burping is not going to be an issue. Some shitty tubeless converted rim with no bead lock technology will suck just as much as a tubed tyre.
  • + 0
 @Gabriel - I dont think you have a clue what you are talking about. Road bikes almost never use tubeless setups. They are available but only a tiny minority of riders use them. And yes tubeless setups are far more resistant to punctures than tubes. I raced enduro and DH all year and did not get one puncture while running tubeless. In fact that is almost a universal consensus when you are tubeless. I did burp the air out of my tyres on a number of occasions but that was more to do with running faulty continentals. Once i switched to Schwalbes i never burped the air. Lower pressures and no punctures is a major advantage.
  • + 0
 So much of ignorance about tubeless in this thread.

Get UST shaped Frequency or KOM rims from WTB. Get tubeless ready tires with a proper bead and with sidewall reinforcement (Snakeskin, Protection, TNT etc...). Put like 60g of new CafeLatex. Ride with ZERO problems, and no flats from thorns and pinching.

Just was changing a tire, found more than a dozen of embedded small thorns. Dozen rides (per one wheel) saved with no stops. And it rides better, and saves at least 50g per wheel.
  • + 0
 @humoroususername:

A) I know road bikes almost never use tubeless. It is however a suitable technology for use on road bikes as they dont really see much hard riding.

B)As I stated before....infact I may as well just cut and paste:
"a tube full of sealant will re-seal itself as well as, if not better than, a tubeless full of sealant"
Tubeless tyres are LESS puncture resistant than tubed. However ALL tubless set ups run sealent which helps a lot with puncture resistance. Put the same sealent in your tubed tyres and they are once again MORE resistant than tubeless. Its the sealent that helps, not the tubelessness.

C) Burping is always an issue. Push a tubeless tyre hard enough, whatever the pressure and it will burp. Yes if you keep your pressures high burps won't happen unless you are really pushing the tyres hard. However a tubed set up will never burp. So in short "rolling resistance yes. Puncture resistance no. Perhaps a good idea for road bikes, or mtbs than only see gentle use"

So how exactly do I not know what I'm talking about? I won't hold my breath for an apology......
  • + 0
 Road guys can use super thin tubes and due to the high pressures don't suffer from punctures often enough for sealant to be an advantage.
However yes you can burp a tubeless setup if cornering crazy hard with the right tyre combo though it is rare. By running the setup you suggest during the times a tubeless would burp the inner tube will get a pinch flat. Sealant will help, but you will lose some air while it seals, maybe not as much as a buried tubeless. However a split in an inner tube will constantly be moved and the inner will fail over time. You would be adding weight to actually gain next to nothing.
If you run a suitable rim, with a wide enough rim and a tyre with a good bead you shouldn't burp a tyre. There fore you have a choice sealant or a tube. I choose sealant because I find it has less issues day to day. You could run both, but it would weigh more and gain nothing over a good tubeless setup.
Everyone finds their own setup, certain riding styles and rim/tyre combos work better with tubes. For me I've had far less issues since going tubeless and any issue I've had has been resolved as easy or easier than if I was running a tube.
Maybe for you a tube and sealant is needed, for me that would be overkill.
I went through 6 tubes on my 2012 alps trip. I had 1 flat tubeless this year riding harder. And I resolved that by shoving a co2 can on it, was riding about 30 seconds (literal) after the flat.
For me I won't go back to tubes even though my first couple of tubeless attempts were horrible I've mastered it now.
Happy riding
  • + 0
 Again, the point you are making is moot. You keep saying tubeless tyres are less puncture resistant that tubed and that it is the sealant that makes the difference. Well yes, obviously it is the sealant. But why run a tube and sealant when a tubeless setup with sealant is almost completely puncture resistant? As everyone here is telling you flats are a thing of the past with tubeless setups and you can remove a decent amount of weight from the outside of the wheel by removing the tube. Also a pinch flat on a tube is much bigger than the pin prick holes that penetrate a tyre and will take quite a while to seal thereby losing just as much pressure as you would lose from burping.
  • + 0
 Also with regards to burping again, check out stans tests on the website, slightly biased i'm sure but he gets a g clamp on the beads of the tyres and it almost loses no pressure (they're testing against other tubeless systems).
  • + 0
 put a spoonful of talc in your tyre before fitting tyre and tube to bike. I have not had a pinch flat in many years (at least not while riding off road). I run mavic ex729s, normal tubes, No sealant of any sort, minion/high roller 2.5s, schwalbe 2.5s. I do occasionally hear the telltale "bong" of tyre bottoming out on rim if I hit it into a rock or something. No pinches tho. Im not saying tubeless is crap. If you want low rolling resistance, its the way to go. However I still believe if you are after reliability, tubes are the way to go. I have mates who run tubeless, on similar tyres. They have more problems than me. Not loads of problems, but last time we went to Morzine, the only guy running tubeless was the only guy who had issues with his tyres. Twice. Nothing major, although at one point sealant did end up on the decking outside the chalet. Took a lot of hosing down to sort that out....Did he roll particularly faster than anyone else? not really. Look at how many pro racers run tubeless front and bang a tube in the rear. Why do they do that? cos its reliable when pushed really hard...I have never seen a pinch flat caused by hard cornering. I have seen a tyre burp cos of hard cornering/skidding, landing sideways etc.

Tristianssid:
Your measured response makes a lot of sense and has some good points that I do agree with. All Im saying is both set ups have strengths and weaknesses. Some people on here seem convinced that tubes are awfull and never worked and the miracle of tubeless has now made bikes a viable mode of transport.
  • + 1
 I give 5 stars to my DT Swiss XM1550 29er wheelset. I will definetly pass on this set for near $3K. If you have a carbon fetish pull the trigger on a set of the new Reynolds mountain carbons. They're avaliable in all wheel sizes and come with all the goodies for every axle standard.
  • + 5
 Crossmax enduro 2014, 700€, because f*ck you
  • + 1
 Stopped reading after reading the MSRP... Then yawned... Burped... Took a shit... Came back, and still didn't give this a second look. You can get HopePRO2 Hubs on ENVE Carbon wheels with DT Swiss Chamion spokes, built at a shop, ON your ride... For HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS LESS!
  • + 1
 I have two sets of Roval Traverse. One in a 26 and the other a 9er. And they're both convertible. No brainer. So, with that kind a money, a fourth bike would be in order. Also a no brainer.
  • + 4
 This Wheelset is offensive!
  • + 2
 Why would you drop $2400 on a non tubeless ready rim someone needs to have a piece of glass installed in their stomach so they can see the light of day
  • + 1
 Stan flow on Hope hubs for under 500. Still blows my mind that you can buy those... And I know they aren't the lightest but super solid. First time I saw them on wiggle I though it was a scam or a mistake
  • + 2
 for 2800.00 , I better have a wheelset that has no limitations and a warranty on top of that , ridiculous... and not even tubeless... pffffft..joke!!
  • + 2
 screw warranty, for that price you should be getting a full lifetime guarantee. You broke it? here have a new one for free.
  • + 1
 the prices are getting way to exspensive for the average mountain bike the money the company spent for the miterail is problbly under 200$ and the 2500 other dollars is your paying for the brand and not the meterial
  • + 4
 Crikey! My car costs less than that.
  • + 2
 You can save 100gram at the rim by swapping to lighter tubes, sorry Matt IME 100g at the rim doesn't equate to 2700 worth of difference.
  • + 1
 the review said that it isn't worth $3k
  • + 2
 WTF?? How much? People must be pissed to spend that much on a set of wheels when you can get a brilliant bike for that much money!!
  • + 1
 So funny.. I own a set. They're incredible. I didn't pay much for them but they are truly incredibly stiff.. So stiff I can't use them.. Probably would be good under someone over 160 lbs or so...
  • + 1
 Sounds like these are the google glass of bike wheels. Anyone caught with them will be ostracized for being dumb enough to buy them. Sad for DT swiss.
  • + 1
 WRONG google glass is less than half as much (but still a waste)
  • + 1
 Mine Are Extreme jumbo(coming from taiwan maybe) bought the full wheelset for about 300$ and i've ridden them for 4-5 years.They still aren't bend neither have any damage
  • + 1
 Why test such a light wheel with a tire thats over 1Kg? I'd think the target customer for a super light but somewhat delicate wheel like this would run a 600-700g tire.
  • + 3
 Saw the price and stopped reading. I'm so happy with my Mavics.
  • + 1
 In 5 years time high end bikes will hit the 20,000USD mark. Buying and posting internet complaint messages at the same time, doesn't solve the problem.
  • + 1
 100 grams of weight savings from outer rotational mass will make a HUGE difference on how the bike feels.
Is it worth 2800$???????
If one can afford the best stuff. Yes.
  • + 1
 Not recommended for tubeless? For $2500?

Thank you, I will take Derby on DT Swiss hubs. Three pairs, in case something gets wrong.
  • + 1
 Cost more than my banshee prime ...and. I can ride that thing harder than ....well let's just say there's no way that I would ever spend 2800 on a wheel set
  • + 1
 What's wrong with a good mavic rim and a hope hub !!! The price of bike stuff is getting so dumb only people with lots of cash can enjoy it !! Manufactures need to wake up
  • + 1
 DT Swiss knows whats up. I rock the road version on my road bike and I've never seen anyone else compare to them. In this situation you pay for what you get.
  • + 1
 Way too narrow. You do not want to run a 2.5 on those skinny rims! 2.1 max! And for that price they should at least be tubeless compatible!
  • + 1
 Haha I have been riding a looong time and mtn biking has never really been cheap. But this is getting stupid! I would never even consider these wheels at half of that MSRP.
  • + 1
 Might aswell get the XM1550s - Super light/strong and stiff.... Save a few hundred £$
  • + 1
 Wow can't wait to get a set. Tubes rock! 26ers aren't dead. So playful. Kind've like a 20 year old nympho.
  • + 2
 Is that christmas or april 1st?
  • + 1
 f*ck carbon. Alloy is the shit. I run mavic cross max and love it. Set of wheels is about 850$ and u can't go wrong with it.
  • + 1
 $2,749.00... for 26" wheels that can not be riden tune less...the market target should be Dubai!
  • + 0
 Tubeless
  • + 2
 Why put these on PB? Maybe 1% of us on PB are interested in these wheels!
  • + 2
 Pinkbike cracking the jokes out again
  • + 2
 Bike or wheels???
Hummmmm........
BIKE!!!
  • + 2
 sun ringle black flag pro sl. 1500gs. 800 bucks
  • + 1
 I really like this wheelset. I went on they're website (SunRingle) and I didn't notice any gold hubs. Does anyone know what the last year of the gold hubs was? I saw a set with gold hubs at a great price and I can't figure out what year they are.
  • + 1
 Saving a full 240 grams off the aluminum
"Really makes a difference on the trail" YA RIGHT
  • + 1
 You can buy a set of old fashioned awesome alloy wheels and still have money left for your whistler trip...
  • + 1
 sure someone has already said it, but seriously? an extremely high end wheel set and no tubeless??? rough
  • + 1
 i could buy a 2nd hand f150 with that price and crush this rim without blinking. you're making fools of us.
  • + 2
 what a rip off like everything else..
  • + 1
 Go home DT you're drunk....
  • + 1
 haha 2700 for rims, who buys this shit
  • + 1
 stupide price tag... wtf.. you can buy a whole bike for that price.
  • + 1
 If hit Mega Lotto! Everyone on here getting a set!
  • + 1
 What is Mavic's argument against ultra-stiff wheels?
  • + 2
 They maintain that you can hold a line with relative ease if the rim is allowed to deflect a little. In fact, I believe this to be true, and it should not be confused with torsional stiffness. You can have a wheel that is stiff "torsionally" but gives a little side to side. All of Mavics wheels are this way, including the famed Dee Max. The "feel" may not be what you are after, but for downright speed this works.
  • + 1
 Wouldn't 99% of whatever flex a rider feels come from the tire? I can't imagine wheel stiffness being significant when you think about how flexible a big low pressure tire is.
  • + 1
 If the tire has enough pressure to avoid rim contact over evey rock then it has enough to translate force into the rim/wheel assembly
  • + 1
 Yeah, of course it translates force, if it didn't translate force why even bother with front suspension? My point is that a 2.4" tire is going to flex at least an inch or two when you hit a rock or root. Compared to that, how much are you going to notice a few mm more or less wheel flex? It seems like trying to determine how soft the soles of your shoes are, while standing on a beach ball.
  • + 1
 Well I don't agree. A beach ball is not as firm as a proper tire number one. I for one have ridden my bike with various wheels and same tire and can discern very different ride characteristics.
  • + 1
 The tire doesn't deflect fully then the rim you know what mean ? The wheel responds to force as the tire deflects as well .... So you can feel it even with lower pressures
  • + 1
 26 only? let the war begin
  • + 1
 the only good thing about them is that they are 26''
  • + 1
 this wheelset cost more than my reign x
  • + 2
 26" only. Woot!!!
  • + 1
 Its too early for april fools jokes
  • + 1
 DT碳轮,3000刀不到,可以啊
  • + 1
 Finally the material 26! "But too expensive!
  • + 1
 You can ouck these up second hand in great condition for eur 550-650
  • + 1
 Ill take two sets! NOT.....
  • + 1
 Tubeless ready not recommended? 2800$? eeeeeeeeh what????
  • + 1
 JFS product. Just For Suckers
  • + 1
 Im about to buy a used DH bike for 1700 :/
  • + 1
 you can get a decent car or motorcycle for this much..
  • + 1
 I love DT Swiss stuff, I just hate DT Swiss prices.
  • + 1
 2600...what a joke
  • + 1
 Do they hover?
  • + 1
 Not worth it
  • + 1
 Way to pricey
  • + 1
 1550 cost per wheel. Smile
  • + 1
 Total crap.

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