Video: Inside the DVO Jade Coil Shock
The all new coil shock from DVO Suspension is coming shortly! Talk a walk through all the badass features this shock has to offer straight from the engineer. The Jade has been in development for almost a year now and is about ready for production. This shock has been born on the world cup circuit and is ready to race!
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Id be curious to know the numbers and percentages the fins offer with the heat sinking.
No doubt more oil will produce a great fork feel but how much better will it be on the clock than the others on the market? DVO are entering a strong field with fox and bos.
No doubt they will be competitive but with the added weight and the price tag they better make sure they offer the same improvement on the track to justify it.
Im still running a boxxer I have to agree small bump is pretty bad, im waiting to do a shim stack adjustment and put on some low friction seals which should make it much better.
Id find the cost hard to justify, even if they are a better fork the the world cup riders are fast on the current crop so the current forks wont be holding me back anytime soon and given I can get a set of the new 40floats for about $1800 here its hard to justify the big price tag when in reality the float will be more than enough. Id like to see some times, ultimately the fork ill choose will come down to the clock not feel.
Are you doing a solid review and any back to back testing wakaba? id be very interested in seeing some real world numbers and personal reviews.
guys, awesome job on the shock and the fork, really impressed!
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Make a video showing the same rider on the same bike on the same trail, but switch the shocks & forks between yours & a few of the other big names. Dial in their forks according to their mfr recommendations & show us what we're missing it on. Keep it unbiased, but show us what makes your suspension better.
I think there are a lot of us riding Fox & Marzocchi suspension that are receptive to your shocks/forks but aren't going to invest in such an expensive fork just because it comes in a trendy new color & makes teenage boys' panties wet. All these posts about how pretty their bikes will be with your forks doesn't impress me at all. Having an extra $2000 in my bank account for a bike vacation is much more appealing to me than making my bike look trendy.
I've been riding long enough to see more trendy looking high end shocks & forks come & go than I can recall.
I'm not saying this to slight your product. Believe me, I wouldn't waste my time writing all this if I wasn't sincerely interested in keeping me & my bike riding at our best. But this is a very high end investment, and it will take a lot more than a shiny new color and some tech talk to get me off my current suspension.
Does anyone else want to see a real head to head suspension shoot out?
If your curiosity is about something that can only be looked at subjectively, then that's how you have to go about it. Rent two bikes. Ride one trail. Pick your favorite. My 2c
First question a scientist asks: are the numbers really different? Sure, 33.4C and 33.6C are different numbers, but do those two numbers reflect true differences? That is a matter for statistics. Sometimes 33.4 and 33.6 are not different!
Second question: if there is a statistical difference in some data (temperatures for example), is there a consequential difference in some other phenomena? A 'statistically significant' difference in temperature does not necessarily mean a 'significant' difference in a related value, like damping performance. Biologists (my field) call this 'biological significance' and I bet engineers have a different term for the same idea. One can imagine a very thorough test that repeatably shows a 0.2C difference between Shocks A and B, but it may be (due to the nature of the particluar engineering context) that only differences of 0.5C or greater result in noticeable performance change.
Do you see why this stuff is totally inappropriate for a business' media/marketing communication? So many places the consumer, the reviwer, the blogger, the marketing dude could be confused. But if you don't say all this stuff, then your 'unbiased' test is a fraud! There are no half measures. You're either doing science or you are not. I prefer companies that don't try to wow the public with fake tech. Just put out a good product and let it speak for you. I think that's just what DVO is trying to do. Good luck!
This has been a lecture by snfoilhat of Berkeley, CA. Thank you and good night.
To give them credit, you're right, they have a very sound concept, bladder, dual stage shimstacks and good piston porting, easy rebuild, very durable, top out and bottom out control, etc. But you really have to fine tune and perfect a product if you want it to get anywhere.
How do you address bottom out and ramp up, seeing as your bladder is a preset volume?
You can have that line for free ty
People knew as far back as the late 80's that extra oil resevoirs (which he is referring to as a bladder correct?) had a positive effect on the stability of the oil over the course of an event. Eddie Lawson used to turn his rebound and compression settings a little higher then his ideal knowing that as the race progressed and the oil heated up, his bike would begin to handle better.
Good job DVO. Send one out to the East Coast so I can do some testing for you and show up at races with it. ;-)
Cheers! and again: good luck!
As for Fox, let's hope they've learned their lesson as pre 2012 stuff was quite good. Not in the same league as BOS or CC but at least they were close and it was great stuff to start out with.
DVO, can you tell if the Jade would require some kind of internal tuning in order to make it work on an Iron Horse Sunday?
Also, the air shock you are working on - would it come in DH-oriented sizes?
Shock seems awesome along with the fork.
my options are this
fox 40... been there, constant serviceing pain in the ass... no thanks ( feels great though )
boxer... hate this company, bad experiences with crappy products.. never again
marzocchi... hey wait, You guys are the only good thing about marzocchi... I want a emerald
But I´ll definfitely get your shock if it just comes clearly under the vectors weight or overpowers it. I´m really looking forward for a shooutout (BOS KIRK is no option as it is next to the Void the most expensive Air shock and except weight I doubt it is worth this of the rest of the competition).
And it certainly will be interesting comparing the Mattoc Pro with the Diamond as both use most parts of the technology of their big and very good DH brothers.
Can you already give a rough range of the price for the diamond, please? circa 800-1000? More or less? And the shock?
ps i run it on a Devinci Spartan.
My Jade makes some rebound noise (squishing noise, quite loud), is it to be considered normal or does it need a service? I'm looking to service it by myself but some king of tutorial would be nice to have
not overkill adjustments as CCDBA cs,more like the Kirk would be great, but with your Performance and support ;-)
Please tell
By the way, any chance you've tested the Makulu with your shock?
I have two bikes with Fox 40's and one with a 36, I can do all the service I want to do on them aside from the cartridge.
My oldest 40 is a 2009 & I've never had to do any cartridge work on any of them.
I'm not saying the DVO's are bad, but come on, everyone seems to be going on & on about how easy it will be to work on these things. If you want me to lay down 2 large in a fork to replace my perfectly functioning Fox 40, it better not need a lot of service attention.
...great feeling fork but.
Thanks for the response DVO!!!!
But it'answered now ;-)
really looking forward to DVO's shiny Diamond!
the ccdb is essentially a ohlins. (you will find ohlins logo on the side of ccdb) and as ohlins are widely regarded as the best mx suspension available due to the patent for the double barrel technology.
and beacuse of the valves used and the way it circulates the whole volume of oil for damping it means that it can be fully tuned for any rider and bike without disassembly and a slight bit of guess work. (all shim stacks have an element of guess work, computer programs can only do so much, 'trial and error' means guesses and fails till its right) so on the trail tuning for any rider is possible, i can appreciate the intentions however not the best way to go around it, but you are limited by patents.
i will admit the lack of ease of home rebuilds is annoying but not enough to stop me choosing ccdb every time. i have got friends who have converted their ccdb's to schrader valves to do home rebuilds, mine may well be following suit.
as for durability. smaller seals of the ccdb mean easier sealing and longer lasting, including reduced breaking force (force required to get the shock shaft moving) that and by using a steel shock shaft there is no worry about strength. (with exclusion of specialized, they made yet another catastrophic error in the pursuit of bludgeoning what could have been an effective platform). so reduced breaking force, more effective sealing, damper design making the breaking force of the damper (with shaft force removed) greatly less compared to a very heavy shim stack set up (as required to achieve enough damping force on a very little oil)
as for maintenance, having seen the oil that has come out of an original black bodied ccdb last year (when having schrader valve added) it looked near enough new. despite the years upon the uk race circuit.
however i have got some ideas of how to develop a shock that does no use either twin tube damping or displacement damping. but rather not share so publicly.
im not saying the ccdb is perfect. just that upon balance still presents the better shock. the things i'd like to see done with the ccdb is bladder instead of IFP (which the jade does have) as well as easy home rebuilding (again jade has over ccdb) and tool-less external adjustments. (jade also has over ccdb) but due to damping arrangement on ccdb you do indeed need the leverage over the dials to get them to turn (they are not excessive just too stiff to do by finger)
so that's a bit of unbiased balance for you.
compared to rest of of market, so long as it doesn't blow up every 5mins then will be better then vivid. fox rc4 is your main competition. for which the jade certainly stands in good stead to be capable to beating. (although bear in mind the marzocchi moto rc2 is yet to show its true colours!)
The Marzocchi shock should be good, we worked on a lot it before we left to start DVO.
i believe you guys develop the last generation of 888 in which shim its were originally supposed to be provided with to help tune them in (my 888 is an ex crc one with custom stack in it any way so matches my ccdb amazingly)
will be interested to see the differences between the marzocchi version as dvo version (one would help the dvo oud perform better as its a later version of essentially the same shock)