Day Two: The Bike Show - Roc D'Azur 2013

Oct 11, 2013
by Matt Wragg  
For day two we headed back into the bike show to bring you the best of the new gear on show.

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Mavic are just launching some burlier trail SPDs the Crossmax XL. In the past they tried producing mountain bike pedals but struggled to produce one that met their exacting standards so now they have partnered with Time to make their pedals. These will be instantly familiar to anyone who has run Time Attac pedals but this is the start of the partnership for them and they were clear that they intend to producing something unique further down the line.

Mavic are just launching some burlier trail SPDs, the Crossmax XL. In the past they tried producing mountain bike pedals, but struggled to produce one that met their exacting standards, so now they have partnered with Time to make their pedals. These will be instantly familiar to anyone who has run Time Atac pedals, but this is the start of the partnership for them and they were clear that they intend to produce something unique further down the line.


Mark Maurissen had something a little bit special hanging in the Atherton Racing pits. We re not going to give much more away for now as a full feature on this bike will be coming soon...

Mark Maurissen had something a little bit special hanging in the Atherton Racing pits. We're not going to give much more away for now, as a full feature on this bike will be coming soon...


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Hans Rey also had his signature edition and well-ridden GT Sensor in the pits. As it s his personal bike it has a 160mm Fox 34 on the front and Crank Brothers components throughout.

Hans Rey also had his signature edition (and well-ridden) GT Sensor in the pits. As it's his personal bike, it has a 160mm Fox 34 on the front and Crank Brothers components throughout.


Endura were showing off their all-new Singletrack shorts. Their exisiting Singletrack short is one of their bestsellers so this is more of a evolution. Gone is the cordura material replaced by a four-way stretch fabric that they say is lighter but still as durable. What has been kept is the same raft of useful features and thoughtful touches that made the original short so popular in the first place.

Endura were showing off their all-new Singletrack shorts. Their exisiting Singletrack short is one of their bestsellers, so this is more of a evolution. Gone is the cordura material, replaced by a four-way stretch fabric that they say is lighter, but still as durable. What has been kept is the same raft of useful features and thoughtful touches that made the original short so popular in the first place.


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Sobre had this incredibly clean-looking Cash prototype made from 4130 steel on their stand. They already make bikes in 26 and 29 so they are no adding the third wheelsize to their range. Compared to the 26 original the bottom bracket here had been dropped and the chainstays pushed out to 430mm. It is designed to run with a fork from 130-160mm of travel with a 130mm fork the headangle sits at 68.4 degrees.

Sobre had this incredibly clean-looking Cash prototype on their stand. Like all their bikes it is crafted from 4130 steel. They already make bikes in 26" and 29", so they are now adding the third wheelsize to their range. Compared to the 26" original, the bottom bracket here had been dropped and the chainstays pushed out to 430mm. It is designed to run with a fork from 130-160mm of travel, with a 130mm fork the headangle sits at 68.4 degrees.


Great news for professional videographers and photographers everywhere Someone has officially branded the Go Pro on a stick...

Great news for professional videographers and photographers everywhere! Someone has officially branded the Go Pro on a stick...


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Q Bikes had their 150mm travel 27.5 -wheeled Segment Trophy on their stand. Vital statistics are a 67.5 degree head angle 444.4mm chainstay and a 73.5 degree seattube. The suspension runs on two short links that work in a similar manner to DW Link Giant Maestro bikes but here the shock is mounted to the linkage itself rather than the frame so it floats with the linkage.

Q Bikes had their 150mm travel, 27.5"-wheeled Segment Trophy on their stand. Vital statistics are a 67.5 degree head angle, 444.4mm chainstay and a 73.5 degree seattube. The suspension runs on two short links that work in a similar manner to DW Link/Giant Maestro bikes, but here the shock is mounted to the linkage itself, rather than the frame, so it "floats" with the linkage.


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Dainese had their all-new Trail Skin kneepads on show which is the first time we ve seen them in the flesh. The first thing that hits you when you hold them in your hand is how light they are. Yet Dainese claim their imapct absorbing material Pro Shape not only offers better force dissipation than other similar technologies but that they are also more breathable.

Dainese had their all-new Trail Skin kneepads on show, which is the first time we've seen them in the flesh. The first thing that hits you when you hold them in your hand is how light they are. Yet Dainese claim their imapct absorbing material, Pro Shape, not only offers better force dissipation than other similar technologies, but that they are also more breathable.


Stay tuned for more from Roc D'Azur all weekend.



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70 Comments
  • 67 4
 More bikes need to be made from 4130. That is all.
  • 31 3
 Steel is real
  • 12 0
 and more chainstay protectors need to be made out of old innertubes lol. Its probably a very expensive special protective tape but that's what it looks like!
  • 7 2
 That bike is one sexy, awesome looking machine. 10/10, would shred all day long
  • 1 1
 The bike looks minimalist, why would it need some uber expensive material to protect the chainstay anyhow?
  • 4 2
 Love to see steel is getting back
  • 4 6
 Steel is real!
  • 7 9
 If that bike were in 29" it would be my absolute dream bike.
  • 12 3
 Oh dear god, it has begun... MTB hipsters!!
  • 3 1
 why?
  • 4 2
 Screw 4130, let's see some high end stainless! Like Reynolds 953. Cro-mo is old. You can get stainless steels with the same, even higher, strength to weight ratios then even titanium.
  • 3 0
 See my homemade steel full sus here: www.pinkbike.com/u/phutphutend/album/JMc004

Se also JMc003 foir my trail bike. Next generation will be here in a short while.

Steel is indeed real!
  • 1 1
 Very Impressive! But as far as steel goes, what made you want to use that material? It is easier to work with, but has a a far lower yield point, especially for its density? What is this love people have for steel?!
  • 1 0
 The feel of the ride is so different than aluminium. especially on a hardtail. The frame has none of the harshness you get with aluminium. I used to have an on-one inbred and the bike felt alive under you. It has a certain amount of flex which lets the bike 'snap' out of tight turns.
  • 2 2
 I understand the idea behind steel with a hard tail, were each to there own is very key, and flex/stiffness ect, is (within reason) is personal choice.

Though I would argue that a stiffer Aluminium frame gives a more responsive feel (less lost in flex) and the reduction in weight more then makes up for any lost cornering flex.

It has its place, but, like the influx of fixies, I think too many people are following trends, with no real benefits to their new owners.

P.s, Thank you for replying logically, as opposed to "Steel is real".
  • 1 0
 Its very hard to put into words, ive ridden a few steel frames (dmr trailstar, on-one etc) but currently ride an ally merlin and each has its benefits and drawbacks. The other key factor for me is a steel frame looks better IMO with its smaller diameter tubing and neater welds.
  • 1 1
 As a homebuilder, steel is a lot easier to work with. An ally frame needs to be heat treated after welding, a steel frame, especially the modern steels are made stronger by the welding process.

A steel frame will be going a long time after most ally frames have fatigued and cracked. A dent in a steel frame doesn't really affect the strength too much. A dent in an ally frame will act as a stress raiser, ultimately resulting in a fatigue failure. The welding of ally frames again acts as a stress raiser that will result in a fatigue failure. Steel frames are much more ductile, so can take poor welds and battle damage.

The latest generation steels have a higher strength to weight then aluminiums. The weight of a prooperly designed steel frame will only be slightly more than that of an aluminium frame. The real difficulty with steel frames is the manufacture of complex parts. Ally is easy and cheap to machine, steel is not.

Which is I believe is why we have most frames being made out of ally. Manufacturing cost is the real driver for material choice. To mass produce a high quality steel frame is expensive. Aluminium lends itself more to mass production; complex parts can be machined or cast, welding is easy, hydroforming is cheap. Machining of steel is prohibitively expensive, cast parts will be too heavy, steel frames must be constucted of mostly straight tubes.

So in summary, the juries out as to the best material for framebuilding overall. But for mass manufacture, aluminium is best.

Steel is still real though!
  • 1 0
 Logical Responses to questions! Huzzah! So as far as steel and aluminium goes, i would agree that at all levels of self production steel is easier. Aluminium for mass and high end. So... with the crux of the matter being the welding ect (where most frames go anyway), why are there not more cast and cnc'd frames?

-see empire bikes (don't like the bikes, love the manufacture process)
www.empire-cycles.com
  • 4 1
 Yey, negative props for stating my preference.

PEOPLE, I WANT IT IN 29" BECAUSE I'M TOO TALL FOR 26" OR 650B. Deal with it.
  • 1 0
 CND Chromag!
  • 1 0
 "Steel frames are much more ductile, so can take poor welds and battle damage."

Not so sure about this...
  • 1 0
 "Not so sure about this..."

What are you not sure about.

With resepct to the cast Empire. Yup, ally frames typically break at the welds. So the cast Empire sounds like a good idea to me. I imagine the main problem is that it's difficult to form tubes, which are a good shape for frame production. Also, you need individual tools for each frame size. Whereas, with welded ally frames you can change the jig.

CNCd frames would be very expensive.
  • 1 0
 Mtb frames are under a lot of stress and loads from rough landings, etc so even a more ductile frame material would require proper welding. Rampage in 30 mins o yeeee
  • 1 0
 It's all to do with load redistribution and crack propogation. Trust me, I'm a doctor...(not really).
  • 1 0
 well ive bent a steel frame and snapped an ally frame, guess which crash I walked away from unharmed lol
  • 1 0
 For those that are interested, the Sobre frame are all made of Reynolds 520 Double Butted tubing for the front triangle and only the rear end is made of 4130 steel since there is no real gain in having "noble" tubing on the back of the bike, and it also helps keeping the price quite low (400 euros)

I own a Sobre Off which is the 26 inch version of this new frame. There is also a 29 inch frame that is called the Dad.

You can check them out at www.sobre-bikes.com/index.html
  • 1 0
 Cool. I like Sobre, almost bought a sobre off once Wink
  • 1 0
 @ joeofloath, How tall are you? As being taller can generally be sorted by adjusting reach and Top Tube ect.
  • 2 0
 6'8". To fit a 26" bike I need a fork steerer that's upwards of 250mm to get the bars high enough, and a seat post so long that I'm actually sat behind the back axle.

Current 26er: i.imgur.com/7ORjNud.jpg

Old 26er: i.imgur.com/hfbPwrCl.jpg

And just for fun, my current 29er: i.imgur.com/Q9I1FoUh.jpg

Literally the only way to get sensible geometry is to get bigger wheels.
  • 1 0
 Carbotanium
  • 1 0
 Absolutely Joel.

Ideally wheel size should be dependant on frame size.

Smalls get 26"
Medium-large 27.5
Large-an beyond 29

Over lap will always exist and I think it's nice to have more options in wheel size. Especially since we all have different needs from our bike. Joel is a perfect example.
  • 20 1
 Is that GT huge, or is it just the angle?
  • 9 0
 It looks massive.
  • 3 1
 I think it's just the seat. When he drops it I bet it looks more normal.
  • 4 1
 Built that bike in my shop. Kind of goofy 130mm rear with a 160 fork.
  • 3 1
 It's just perspective distortion as a result of using a wide angle lens. You're right, the low shooting angle also contributed in exaggerating the effect.
  • 12 0
 "Mavic are just launching some burlier trail SPDs"

Doesn't SPD mean "Shimano Pedal Dynamics"? that is, it's not just a term for clipless pedals, but refers specifically to the shimano design, which mavic is not using.
  • 1 0
 that's what i thought as well. like CB pedals aren't SPD's as well, same as this one. i know ritchey and exustar is and even xpedo, but not this one.
  • 1 0
 Should that not be "Mavic are launching some resin bodied Time Z-controls"
  • 9 0
 Rock Shox RS-1 on a Ti Xizang.
  • 7 0
 That is clearly a GT Xizang with the original mk1 Rock Shox and Shimano XT. Everyone knows that .....surely!!??
  • 2 0
 Exactly...Xizang. I can't believe I remember that, just some of the useless facts that stay in our brains for 20 years.
  • 2 0
 "Mavic are just launching some burlier trail SPDs, the Crossmax XL. In the past they tried producing mountain bike pedals, but struggled to produce one that met their exacting standards"

Journalistic fluff. Translation: "we use to produce MTB that were sub par. But now we have these new amazing exacting standards in which we cannot attain ourselves, so we got Time to make a pedal for us"

Time are very good pedals. I find my shoes rattle a bit on rough terrain. But the float is smooth, the retention is a lot firmer than CB, and the reliability is far better than the new XTR trails (in which I have two pairs on warranty)
  • 4 3
 "The suspension runs on two short links that work in a similar manner to DW Link/Giant Maestro bikes, but here the shock is mounted to the linkage itself, rather than the frame, so it "floats" with the linkage." hm let me think.... maybe Mondraker?? damn, you re looking at Mondraker and instead of saying it's Mondraker you talk about dw link and maestro???
  • 4 1
 That was exactly my thought when I saw the caption on that pic. Well, 'muricans likes to look at their own bellybuttons more than anything else. And if it doesn't exist there, it doesn't exist at all ;-).
  • 1 0
 Steel, riding an italian vintage gusseted track bike made of Columbus tubes. That thing rides supersmooth and is quiet. 8.5kg. Would love to have light duty full sus bike with slack geo and gusseted Columbus tubing. An Absolute SX as thin wall.
  • 1 0
 What is the deal with those bikes? Do they just produce them for other companies? Or is it simply a non-US thing?
  • 2 0
 @SnowChaser: They started producing those frames for Mondraker a few years ago, and then sold them to everyone who had enough money to buy a decent amount of them. Another European brand (RockMachine) used to sell those very frames: www.cyklosport-pitstop.cz/fotomax/1326010.jpg
  • 1 0
 About the GT Xixang. I have a feeling the upcoming feature on it won't be about what it is, but rather it will be about whose it was.
  • 1 0
 Hmmm, I'm in the market for an AM HT, and that Sobre is looking might fine! Hopefully she's not going to be too expensive with that 4130 frame.
  • 7 0
 I don't understand why 4130 mountain bike frames are so expensive.
BMX frames that are 4130, cryogenically treated/heat treated, triple butted, gusseted, super light and super strong are like $400. Then a DJ/XC which is basically the same frame but slightly bigger is $750+. So confusing.
  • 2 1
 Ya I'm not sure either. Perhaps it's just a matter of up-charging because they can or because that's what people are willing to pay for it. I'd much prefer Steel to Aluminum, but it's hard for me to justify the prices of some of these rigs.
  • 1 0
 Those Mavic pedals look great. I hope the spring tension is adjustable. I had some Time ATACs which I loved but the low spring tension was always a problem.
  • 1 0
 Those are just the new Time pedals anyways. Different models have adjustable retention springs, you just have to buy the correct one. There are going to be 5 versions of the 2014 Time MX series of pedals, ranging in price from about $90 to $450 (carbon body, ti spindle @ 315g a pair).
  • 1 0
 Who would pay money for a stick for your GoPro? That whole idea practically spells "DIY".
  • 2 0
 I was hoping Go-pole involved dancing..........
  • 2 0
 Did anybody else read that "GoPro on a Steeek"?
  • 2 1
 Segment Trophy? All I can think of is STRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVAAAAAAA!
  • 2 0
 all I can think of is the 2014 KHS 7500
  • 1 0
 ahh.. so it's a Xizang!!!
  • 1 1
 What is that photo with a guy in front of the bike? Strange how the 3 last photos just dont open on my Sansung S3
  • 1 0
 Mavic is making Shimano Pedaling Dynamics pedals?

Odd.
  • 2 1
 Dainese - take my money!
  • 2 0
 I was gonna buy the IXS ones, but I think I might get the dianese instead.
  • 2 0
 I tried on the new IXS trail pads at Crankworx and really liked them but I'm with you, I like the look of these Dainese.
  • 1 4
 mavic pedal looks like a crappy time pedal..... the time pedal is good but this pedal looks all wrong. dont waste ur money mass producing those guys!
  • 1 2
 haha just read the whole caption, come on time dont do that to urselfs
  • 1 2
 3 rings eh Hans?
  • 1 0
 its Hans!! He does what he wants







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