Devinci Troy Carbon SL - Review

Feb 17, 2014
by Richard Cunningham  

REVIEW:
Devinci Troy Carbon SL
WORDS: R. Cunningham
IMAGES: Colin Meagher

Devinci Cycles places its 27.5-wheel, carbon-framed Troy SL squarely in the trailbike class, although its promotional video and performance descriptions shout that this responsive, short-coupled package is capable of putting on a convincing show in the all-mountain category as well. Our test bike, the Troy Carbon SL is one of four models at different price points that share the same chassis – a 140-millimeter-travel Split Pivot rear-suspension design with an aluminum swingarm, carbon seatstays and a carbon main-frame. The beautifully constructed chassis is suspended by Fox, with a 140-millimeter-stroke 34 Float CTD Kashima fork and a Float CTD shock. Cockpit and wheels are by Easton and the drivetrain is a two-by-ten SRAM XO ensemble featuring carbon cranks. In keeping with its purpose, the Troy Carbon SL has a contemporary, 67-degree head angle, short (for 27.5-inch wheels), 16.9 inch chainstays (430mm) and a 72.4-degree seat angle. A flip-chip in the suspension rocker can raise the chassis seven millimeters and steepen the geometry by a half degree. The top tube length for the medium-sized test bike is stated on Devinci’s chart as 23.9 inches (607mm), but it measured out at a compact, 22.75 inches (580mm), so be aware of this if you decide that the Troy Carbon SL is for you and buy according to top tube length. Our medium test bike weighed 28 pounds (12.74kg) and sizes available are small, medium, large and X-large, with an MSRP of $6499 USD.


Troy Carbon SL Build

Specifications
Release Date 2014
Price $6499
Travel 140mm
Rear Shock Fox Float CTD
Fork Fox Float 34 CTD Kashima 140mm
Headset Cane Creek 40-series
Cassette Shimano 11 x 36 10-speed
Crankarms SRAM carbon S2210 36/22T
Chainguide ISCG mounts provided
Bottom Bracket SRAM BB 92 press fit
Pedals NA
Rear Derailleur SRAM X0
Chain Shimano
Front Derailleur SRAM X0
Shifter Pods SRAM X0
Handlebar Easton EC 70 carbon, 720mm
Stem Easton EA 70, 70mm
Grips Devinci lock-on
Brakes AVID Elixir 5 levers/Trail 9 calipers - 160 R, 180 F rotors
Wheelset Easton Haven 27.5
Hubs Easton Haven
Spokes Easton
Rim Easton Haven aluminum
Tires Schwalbe Racing Ralph EVO, 2.25" x 27.5"
Seat Selle Italia Q-Bike
Seatpost RockShox Reverb Stealth, 125mm



Construction

Devinci’s carbon manufacturer constructs the Troy frame using an up-to-date process where stiff, form-fitting inserts are used in key areas, like the head tube junction, to apply even internal pressure during the molding process. The carbon used is unidirectional, with a 3K woven material as a top layer to give the frame a nice looking natural finish. Cable routing is internal, which keeps the chassis looking uncomplicated. Troy front sections also have a provision for internally routed dropper seatpost controls and down low, ISCG mounts for a future chain guide. The top tube slopes dramatically, giving the chassis a relatively low, 29-inch (66cm) stand-over height

Devinci Troy Carbon SL 2014 review Test
  (clockwise) Devinci's internal cable routing is elegantly executed. Oval chips on the inside of the seatstay/rocker junction can be flipped to raise or lower the bottom bracket by seven millimeters. A RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper post highlights the Troy's slim rear view. Dave Weagle's take on the concentric rear dropout pivot is the showcase of the Troy's suspension.


The Troy’s suspension configuration is textbook trailbike, with a vertically mounted shock, driven by a rocker link that pivots on the seat tube. The seatstay and swingarm pivot concentrically via a “Split Pivot” arrangement at the dropout, which, depending upon who writes the company literature, decouples braking from the suspension action and also decouples pedaling torque from affecting the suspension. The more plausible report is that the Split Pivot decouples braking action to a great extent. Pedaling action, however, has more to do with the location of the forward pivot on its simple single-pivot swingarm. The Troy’s forward swingarm pivot sits, about 100 millimeters above the bottom bracket center, which should firm up the suspension under power when pedaling in the small chainring, while remaining neutral when pedaling in the big ring. Asymmetrical chainstays ensure that front derailleurs can be used on the Troy, and there is just enough space is available inside the swingarm and seatstays for 2.4-inch tires.

Judged by its numbers, the Troy’s 67-degree head angle should act like a 26-inch bike with a 66-degree angle, which is slack enough to get down steeps, but not so stupidly so that it will compromise steering while climbing and cornering. With the suspension chip set in the low position, the bottom bracket sits at 13.27 inches (337mm), which amounts to a generous, 0.79-inch (20mm) drop below the wheel axles – a big-wheel benefit that will add stability in corners and rough terrain. With its short, 22.75-inch top tube and compact (for 27.5-inch-wheels), 16.9-inch chainstays, we expected the Troy to be quick handling and maybe a touch over-responsive at higher speeds.


Devinci Troy Geometry review test 2014


Suspension Report

No suspension rate curves were readily available for the Troy, but mapping the leverage ratios of the bike in profile suggests that the Troy’s rear suspension follows the well proven standard, with a slightly falling leverage rate in the initial 25-percent of its travel, giving way to a gradual rising rate as the suspension nears full compression. Devinci states that the Troy has a low leverage suspension design, which we would estimate to be around 2.5:1 – a number that should make the suspension very responsive to shock tunes and slightly exaggerate the values of its Fox CTD settings.


Devinci Troy Carbon SL 2014 review Test
  Kashima everywhere. Fox's 34 Float CTD fork and shock were well matched to the Troy's chassis. The fork's 2014 compression tune gives it a much deeper feel through the big bumps. The shock is custom tuned for the bike's low-leverage suspension.


Up front, the Troy Carbon SL features a Fox 34 Float 140 CTD fork with Kashima-coated stanchions. In the rear, a Float CTD shock with a custom tune handles the bumps. The combination proved well suited to the chassis, with a good balanced feel fore and aft. We would soon learn to take full, advantage of the CTD low-speed compression options to enhance the Troy’s performance on trail.

The afore-mentioned suspension chip that sits at the seatstay end of the suspension’s rocker link does not affect the suspension travel significantly, and on trail, riders could not sense any change in the suspension action with the chip in either position. We left it in the low position for most of testing because that put the chassis in its handling sweet spot.

Component Shout-Outs

While PB riders prefer one-by drivetrains, Devinci’s choice of a SRAM two-by drivetrain for the Troy with a 36 x 22-tooth chainring combination offered a wide range of useable gears when combined with its Shimano 11 x 36, ten-speed cassette. A typical Shimano two-by crankset offers a 24-tooth small chainring, which makes for more difficult climbing in low gear and, in our opinion, defeats the purpose of a two-chainring crankset. Devinci added a bash ring to the SRAM cranks, which probably saved the 36-tooth sprocket on a number of occasions.

We liked the Easton Haven wheels and that Devinci kept the theme going with a carbon Easton bar and aluminum stem. At 720-millimeters, the bar is a bit on the narrow side for heavy trail work, but still in the ballpark. All riders mentioned the bike’s RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper post, which turned out to be a must-have on the Troy. Final shout-outs go to the Avid four-piston trail calipers and the choice to run a 180 front and a 160-millimeter rear rotor. The blend of stopping power and control felt well balanced. We must note that Devinci cheaped out on the levers a bit, switching to Elixir 5 assemblies instead of the Elixir 9 items that are noted in their spec sheet.



Troy Carbon SL
RIDE REPORT
bigquotes Where the Devinci did its best was on fast-paced singletrack, where quick grade reversals and corners required a good balance between the wheels and nimble steering.

With standard suspension settings, 25-percent sag in the shock and fork, and with the low-speed compression and rebound set as minimal as possible, test riders’ initial impressions of the Troy were lower than expected. On the positive side, the Troy sprinted and accelerated as well or better than the dozen or so premium trailbikes that we tested during that same period. Riders complained mostly about the rear suspension’s unwillingness to get moving in the first part of its travel and about the bike’s tendency to ride high in the rear while descending on rough ground. We were also surprised that Devinci would label our test bike as a “medium” with a top tube length of only 22.7 inches. Typically, medium-sized top tubes run short at 23 inches and average around 23.25 inches long (59cm to 60cm). It should be noted that the maker’s geometry chart shows a longer top tube than our actual measurement was, but verifying with Devinci dealers confirmed that our top tube length for the medium size Troy was the actual number. This review may have gone sour if we had not chosen to completely reconfigure the bike’s setup to favor descending – an experiment that transformed the Troy Carbon SL’s performance and handling.

Devinci Troy Carbon SL 2014 review Test
  Short-coupled bikes usually feel too light in the front when climbing, but the Troy surprised us with a well planted front tire, which encouraged test riders to hit the harder lines on Sedona's technical ascents.


Winning setup: Faced with one of Sedona’s most technically challenging trails, in an effort to make the bike more downhill friendly, we set the Troy’s shock at a bit more than 30-percent sag and increased the spring pressure in the Fox 34 Float fork to achieve 15-percent sag. The effort dropped the rear end of the bike decidedly lower and it softened the bike’s small-bump compliance, as the added negative travel bypassed much of the suspension’s initial falling leverage rate. Slamming the saddle all the way back on the Reverb Stealth’s seatpost clamp made some much needed room in the cockpit to compensate for the short top tube – and the increased weight on the rear suspension further improved the bike’s compliance over rough ground. The Troy’s efficient feel under power was not hugely affected by the changes, but we did find it necessary to use the CTD shock’s “Trail” option when faced with extended climbs or fast-paced, rolling terrain to firm up the feel at the pedals. Surprisingly, our attempts to boost the Troy’s descending ability resulted in improvements in all aspects of its performance.


With its quick feel under acceleration and good climbing skills, the
Troy favored fast-paced trails with rolling grade reversals. We left
the CTD shock in the middle trail mode to further enhance its snap.
Pedaling and Climbing: Once the Troy was sorted, it rolled out smoothly, accelerated with firm feel at the pedals, and maintained momentum on rough trails with the efficiency that we would expect from a top-notch trailbike. Any extended climb required us to select “Trail” mode from the Fox shock, and that’s where we left it for all but the most technical descents, because the extra low-speed compression allowed us to run a lot of sag in the shock without blowing through the remaining travel. Traction was good, not great, from the Schwabe Racing Ralph tires, but the Troy’s short wheelbase and well weighted tail end kept the rear tire biting well enough to top some impressive technical climbs. Oddly, the bike’s front end stayed put and did not skip around like we anticipated a short wheelbase bike would when we were climbing steeps.

Cornering: Schwalbe Racing Ralphs lack a decisive cornering edge, but the Troy managed to get around the bends with confidence because its tires would let go in a benign way, so there were no surprises – just a controlled, two-wheel drift until the tires found grip once more. The chassis was not all that stable at higher speeds, so line choice and a firm grip on the handlebar was important when committing to fast descents. Where the Devinci did its best was on fast-paced singletrack, where quick grade reversals and corners required a good balance between the wheels and nimble steering.

Descending/Technical: Armed with large wheels and a downhill suspension tune, the Troy surprised us with a can-do technical performance on some of Sedona, Arizona’s steepest redrock descents. Thanks to smooth acting brakes, its dropper post and the corrected compression tune of the 2014 Fox 34 CTD fork, we dropped some lines that we anticipated that we would be riding around when we first rode the bike. The Troy hit everything well as long as the speeds were moderate. The feel was that we were very centered and could easily lift the front or the rear end exactly when needed. When speeds got hot and heavy, though, the rear suspension reached its redline far sooner than we expected. Some bikes feel bottomless, but the Troy feels like it has just 140-millimeters, and that’s it.

bigquotes Armed with large wheels and a downhill suspension tune, the Troy surprised us with a can-do technical performance on some of Sedona, Arizona's steepest redrock descents.

Devinci Troy Carbon SL 2014 review Test
  With its neutral feeling fore/aft weight balance, the Devinci felt trustworthy in a two-wheel drift. Cornering on uneven or loose surfaces was easier than most riders first anticipated.


Technical Performance

Geared to be a technical trailbike, the Troy Carbon SL is outfitted almost perfectly for the role. We may have found a few items to complain about, but none that would require its owner to upgrade a component in order to enjoy the bike.

Avid Trail brakes: Good – Strong stopping with minimal fade after long-hard descents. Easy to swap left to right for moto-style riders and with wide lever blades that don’t fatigue the hands. Bad – Avid Elixir 5 levers pumped up when the brakes got hot, so the bite point never felt consistent.
SRAM two-by-ten drivetrain: Good - Great gearing range available from a close-ratio 11 x 36 cassette and 36 x 22-tooth chainring combination. Brilliant choice to add a bash ring by Devinci. Bad – To get the most performance from the short-coupled Troy on a technical trail, you will be using the dropper post a lot. Having three levers on the left handlebar is a nuisance. A one-by transmission would be a more elegant and useful solution for this bike. Left side for fears and right side for gears.
Schwalbe Racing Ralph tires: Good – It’s hard to buy a lighter weight trail tire that gives such a fast roll with all-around traction. Bad – For the Troy, a better edging tire would provide a lot more cornering grip and add some high-speed stability. Both are areas where the bike needs help.
RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper: Nothing new to say, just that this is the post with which to measure all others. Devinci spent the extra bucks to put the best dropper on the Troy and it created a better overall riding impression among test riders.


Pinkbike’s Take:
bigquotes Devinci's Troy Carbon SL is one of the rare test bikes that earned a good review after delivering a sour first impression. All the important items are in place: a modern Split Pivot suspension system, an intelligent component selection and a beautifully executed carbon chassis. The Troy's geometry, with the exception of its cramped top tube, is spot on for its role as an aggressive XC trailbike. At 28 pounds, though, the bike is a bit porky for a $6500 carbon superbike, and there are not very many places where money, in any quantity, could be used to shave a pound or two off the bike. All-mountain riders may want to shop elsewhere, as the Troy falls out of its comfort zone right where a top descender would be leaning forward and grabbing for another gear - but Devinci intended this bike to be a cross-country trail shredder. The perfect rider for the Troy is an ex cross-country jock who has skills and wants a responsive, sharp-pedaling bike with the technical handling to take his or her game to the next level. Shop sizes for the right length top tube, set its suspension up correctly and the Troy Carbon SL will reward you with trustworthy and versatile performance. - RC



119 Comments

  • + 60
 really cool review but I'd like to see more downhill-bike tests cause there are nearly no big-bike reviews on pinkbike :/
  • + 19
 In the off season the guys head down to Sedona to test all the trail bikes. Don't stress, the big bikes come when the bike parks open again Smile
  • + 16
 They're working the shit outta that helmet...
  • + 9
 Pinkbike is becoming enduro specific Wink
  • + 1
 Rinsing it.
  • + 20
 Maybe because trail/all-mountain riding represents the vast majority of the mountain biking population, where big bikes are a bit of a niche market (arguably).
  • + 2
 It's just winter. Some people follow F-1 hard and get all gushy when checking out the cars. I'm willing to bet most all of those guys don't have one in the garage, though. PB,keep the blue-collar bike reviews coming, but when the parks open, spare no details in the 200mm world.
  • - 20
flag donalddouche (Feb 17, 2014 at 10:13) (Below Threshold)
 Damnit pinkbike, you're turning a decent sport into a road-cycling-in-the-forest big-wheeled carbon penis waving contest for middle aged men going through a mid life crisis.
  • + 25
 Damnit Darren, stop being such a douche.
  • + 16
 @DarrenDouche sorry, but it is man with "midlife crisis" the ones who have the money to spend on expensive bikes, and most likely the ones who put the money for their kids to one day become the sport's legends we see today. So a lil respect for these guys please. I've been biking all my life, and never had a DH bike, just trail bikes, since pretty much they get the whole job done, and some of us have just as much fun climbing. So stop trolling on Shit you haven even tried yet you douche bag...
  • + 0
 @OldSkoolAK just to clarify, are you referring to the Troy Carbon SL as a "blue collar" bike? Are 200mm bikes considered "white collar" in comparison?
  • + 5
 You'll be middle aged one day, assuming someone doesn't kick fuck out of you first.
  • + 3
 @ ironx- Blue-collar as in "I can only own one bike", as DH rigs aren't the bikes of choice for those can only have one MTB. This troy doesn't fit into the blue-collar way of thinking either. You could get a decent trailbike AND and entry-level DH for the same amount of money.

My point was that I want to see reviews of both value-oriented trail/AM rigs AND DH sleds
  • - 9
flag jclnv (Feb 17, 2014 at 19:45) (Below Threshold)
 DH is dead.
  • + 1
 can you easily break a carbon bike frame?
  • + 2
 ^^^^Challenge accepted. Please provide me with the test subject.
  • + 1
 I would like to apply as well. A leatt, D3, and trek would make the test go by very fast... and make sure its an xc bike... I like snapping those
  • + 31
 Since when is a Racing Ralph a trail tyre - more of well an XC racing tyre I thought? Companies should stop speccing below par tyres on am/trail bikes to make them feel lighter in the show room. If used as advertised this bike would need an instant and expensive tyre upgrade straight up. I wonder how big those wheels are actually when compared to a 26 in wheel with a 2.35 Hans Dampf?
  • + 5
 Don't forget, there are different Racing Ralph's, the heaviest are totally different compared to the lighter ones. Indeed, the light ones are xc-racing tires. On the other hand, the stronger, heavier versions might suit well for trail use!
  • + 2
 "One of the fastest tyres around, but fragility and a super-high price isn’t a good mix" Thats from a bike radar review of the RR Evo tyre on this bike... My bike came with Nobby N evos - what junk they turned out to be. They were light of course :-) Great looking bike all in though.
  • + 2
 The rims with racing ralphs are probably a little bigger than a 26" rim with a 2.3 hans dampf. But when you put a 2.3 hans dampf on the bigger rims...I'd say they're about 1.5" bigger than a 26" rim with 2.3 hans dampfs
  • + 5
 This model has the xc spec, there are two other troys, including a cheaper one, with Hans Dampf tires and wider bars.
  • + 1
 Thanks mnorris 122 for the reality check. I'm kind of shocked by the comparisons of a big tire on a 27.5 vs a 26 with a smaller tire. It's not like upgrading to a 27.5 instantly means that you can ONLY run small width tires until the end of time.
  • + 5
 On my Enve Am wheels the 2.35 Hans Dampf in 27.5 measure 28" even with 22psi. The 2.25 Racing Ralph's measure 27&1/4. At 26psi.
On my other bike with the same Enve AM wheels in 26 the 2.35 Hans Dampf measures 27&3/8" with 22psi.
The 2.25 Racing Ralph's are 26&7/8". At 26 psi
Hope this helps.
  • + 1
 Thx - interesting - theres a lot in the tyres it seems...
  • + 2
 the lack of cornering grip regardless of tire weight is shitty on a full suspension bike. my xc rig (hardtail, carbon) came stock with the light RR's and so long as you're going fast it's ok but cornering on a wet day at low speeds is f-ing scary. a sexy looking bike regardless.
  • + 1
 ^this^, rr's for dry racing> in wet you need more nobs...
  • + 21
 Re: the close up photo of the shock - the cables rubbing on my Kashima would turn me into the Hulk. Why oh why, is cable routing so difficult?! I had to re-route several cables on my 2013 Reign for the same reason. It's 2014, surely we can do better!?
  • + 4
 One of the MANY reasons the carbon Norco Sight walks all over this Devinci.
  • + 2
 seriously?! what a complete load of bollocks on a 7 grand bike. sort yourself out devinci and come back with the finished product.
  • + 4
 Having built several Troys and working at a Devinci shop I can tell you those cables do not even come close to touching the shock. Not even close.
  • + 6
 The suspension leverage ratio is "estimated" to be 2.5:1 ? Um, ever heard of dividing the shock stroke by the amount of travel?
  • + 2
 But isn't the leverage ratio a curve over the length of the travel?
  • + 3
 In most cases it is not constant. But making such an average calculation or actually a calculation of the average (overall) leverage ratio is indeed as easy as described by panaphonic
  • + 1
 And if you do that you have an estimated/averaged number, not an exact figure. Which is what I was getting at.
  • + 2
 1/(b-a) * int(b,a){G(x)*dx} = mean(G(x))
amiright?
  • + 1
 Yes averaged. Not estimated.
  • + 1
 @sinmoo: I think "actually a calculation of the average" should be meaningful enough. It's an exact calculation, giving you the average. The average is not an approximation.
  • + 3
 Reading this review makes me happy to be rolling on my "cheap" aluminum XP with the Pike Hans D's and wide bars. I know you can get the carbon with the XP build, but it looks like the weight/cost ratio might not be the best.

And will one of you 26" fo life" bellyacher's buy my Reign already? Jeez.
  • + 2
 It should be mentioned that this is the XC spec model. There are two other models, including a cheaper one, with 150mm forks, 780mm bars, hans dampf tires, etc. I think the top spec one with chromag cockpit and all is only a 100$ more, so it's really just a question of intended use, and this particular one has a hard time competing against the more aggressive bikes in this test. I would shit myself trying to push hard on those trails with these tires, it must be sketchy as hell.


I wonder if the extra 10mm in the fork makes it feel different, and if they changed the shock tune to make it pedal better for it's target audience.
  • + 2
 Ya, there is a much better spec that comes stock with a Pike and Hans Dampfs. It isn't listed on Devinci's website, but our local dealer ordered it in...
  • + 1
 On Devinci's charts for Troy geometry, bikes with 140mm Fox float and 150mm float or pikes get the same HTA, i.e. 67° in low settings .
So, is this value for 140mm or 150 mm front travel ?
Same question for others angles and wheelbase, and bb height.
  • + 1
 I was wondering about that as well gnralized. No matter what, I think having wider bars would help with the cramped feel and proper tires would make a big difference in performance and confidence. The angles look right, and the wheelbase is a little longer than the Norco Sight, which is nice and stable at speed, so it should perform well.
  • + 3
 I own an aluminium Troy with XP build kit.
I had the luck to test it against the kona process 153.
What i can say is that effectively, given a M size, the kona is more stable, which can reflect a 20mm longer wheelbase (1162 for k.) and reach, and a slacker head tube (0.5°). Troy's rear suspension feels far more progressive than the kona, but won't blew up its travel at the first root like the process. It's difficult to find the pike's set up that match the rear since the pike is too linear with not much hydraulics. Concerning myself, (1.71m, 75kg), I found the M Troy to be the sweet spot, for geometry and rear suspension kinematic reasons, but I considered from first try to replace the shock and add 10 mm more travel to the fork.
I replaced the monarch with a kashitma rp23 xv from a Dixon (same rebound and velocity tune, 25psi less BV) which is 200x57, adding 18mm more travel to the rear wheel.
This gives a plusher feel to the rear without compromising the geometry, setting the bike a little more on the rear. The pike with 160mm and a 45mm stem gives exactly what I was looking for in terme of stability.
  • + 1
 I think its about weight; a 5 grand carbon bike that weighs the wrong side of 30lbs is looking porky against the competition,
  • + 3
 I don't understand why Devinci is sending every reviewer the SL kit and not the RR kit which has a 150mm fork and a XO1 drivetrain, Chromag bar and Stem and Hans Dampfs. These changes in componets should greatly improve the ride of this bike. Interestingly enough the RR kit is only $100 dollars more than the SL.
Devinci, Shit all manufacturers for that matter. It would be wise to consider the reviewers and their readers before your send out bikes for a review. Most people on Pink bike are All mtn or DH. That being said, sending Pink bike a trial bike with XC Parts on it. Doesn't make much sense. The readers of Bicycling might appreciate the SL kit, but, based on all the reviews I've read on the Troy. Pretty much all the rest of us would prefer the more aggressive RR Kit.
I still want to ride this bike but it sounds like I need to bring along my bar, stem and, my Pike. So as not to get the wrong impression.
  • + 1
 @biketrasher
Don't bring your pike unless it has 160mm travel.
Your ride will be greatly improved doing so.
Don't understand why Devinci do not propose an equivalent setup as the one Steve Smith rode at crankworks. Maybe it will be in concurrence with their upcomming 165mm enduro bike...
For the SL kit, maybe it is the same bike rode in Sedona by vitalmtb, bike Mag and pinkbike.
They all where in Sedona at the same time...
  • + 1
 @granlised, hmmm my process 153 is very progressive, Id say it ramps up nicely and takes roots just fine! the long reach, short back end makes it confidence inspiring

as for the pike? easy to tune the tokens take a few minutes to add and the fork runs soooo nice with them
  • + 1
 @kimbers
Leverage ratio for 153 is almost linear, check the curves on linkage if you need. That's why the bike is running a small volume shock, since they try to get progressivity from,the shock.
Pike is the same, tokens just add progressivity at the end of the curve (as you can see on rockshox curves or experience it by yourself) in diminishing the volume, not the chamber geometry or piston, making almost impossible to reach full travel. Result is the fork wallow in its travel as son as you jump on the brakes. So you can use low speed compression dial, which is only sensitive in the first 4 click from closed, but then you lost small bump compliance. Some preparators already propose air kits for pikes in order to fix that.
I spent 3 days on the kona, really, really, likes the geo, but just cannot find a dialed sus setup. I think the process is a kind of easy bike, using a lot of travel on small bumps, a true pullman chair, giving instantaneous confidence to its rider. I think that this bike is made for rider with basic skills, it forgives a lot, but I felt that you cannot push it too far.
That's why I chose the Troy, being more confident with the rear suspension. As I told before, I knew from scratch that I have to work on the shock and fork for getting what I want from this bike.
  • + 2
 Really? @burnbern I just ordered the Troy outfitted with shimano. But would've loved to have a pike instead of the fox. How did your dealer work that out?
  • + 1
 @ gnarlized, maybe Im just too much of an amateur!, but Im really impressed with the pikes ability to not dive under breaking and I still get full travel with the tokens.
as for the 153, I must just prefer the predictable feel because I find it takes big drops no problem!
  • + 1
 @granlised also its easy enough to get a shock retuned to your preference, the low setting on the troy shortens the reach, so to get the better geo you have a cramped cockpit, that cant be tuned out!
  • + 0
 @kimbers
Our experience with the pike are strongly divergeant, I already detailed my feeling. If you are satisfied with your pike, what else ?
It's not so easy to get a shock revalved to get what you want from. A linear suspension ratio mean that you have no shaft acceleration (since a constant ratio) from the beginning to the end of the stoke, so it's difficult to tune the shock for compressions which are based on shaft speed. And you cannot tune the ratio.
I'm not tall so I feel too elongated on the Medium process 153, with no possibility to tune my position due to the short (40mm) stem. Conversely, on the small size I lost the advantage of the longer wheel base. I was between two size for the kona, but the M Troy was right because shorter in reach, a longer WB than the small process (that I increased since my pike is now 160mm) and the possibility to tune the stem.
  • + 1
 @VFreehd - It was a friend of mine who ordered it. From what I can tell it is the Aluminum Troy XP kit put on the carbon bike. It wasn't a custom build at the shop, it was ordered from Devinci like that.
  • + 1
 The seatube joins the downtube in front of the bottom bottom rather than on top of it, making the Top Tube lengths seem shorter than they actually are. On the geo chart it references the effective top tube length, which is from the head tube to a virtual line between BB and Saddle. Surpised PB didn't realise this and thought the bike was short based on a tape measure than the actual ride as it's bang in line with other bikes.
  • + 1
 This is technically correct. But people give the effect of bent seat tubes much too much credit for the effect they have on measuring Horizontal Top Tube (HTT) vs Virtual Top Tube (VTT).

There are no trail/AM or XC bikes on the market today that I'm aware of for which this difference could reasonably account for much more than half an inch in top tube length because the Real (measured against the seat post) seat tube angle and seat post offset (horizontal distance the imaginary Real Seat Tube line crossed a Horizontal line through the middle of the Bottom Bracket) are never sufficiently extreme. For an in depth look at this, more spreadsheets, and projected Troy numbers head on over to: Here

* super simple image explaination: In this Image
HTT is measured from where the red line begins on the right, to the middle of the seat tube.
VTT is the distance from where the red line begins on the right to where it intersects with the yellow line.
Note that those 2 locations are about 2 pixels apart, a difference of maybe .1" not 1.2".
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 No. the effective top tube is really that short.
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 Does this mean that the wheelbase reach, and other horizontal length measurements are shorter too? Should Devinci revise their numbers?
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 "The perfect rider for the Troy is an ex cross-country jock... " I would disagree with this statement. I may not be a professional racer, but I am a downhill rider at heart and this bike fits all the bills I asked for and some. As a love the feel of a dh bike, I wanted something similar in my trail bike. Fun, snappy, could take abuse, pedals well (because I am not a fan of pedaling Hills haha), and has great geo/cockpit feel.
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flag donalddouche (Feb 17, 2014 at 10:15) (Below Threshold)
 "The perfect rider for this bike an overweight middle aged man in lycra who will never push it very hard." [FIXED]
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 ^^ You are doing a bang up job of living up to your name. ^^
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 They must have got one with the wrong shock tune because this bike is incredibly stable at speed. I had a nomad c before and the Troy is leaps and bounds better in the high speed rough stuff. This is the second review that says that and I don't get it. Mine feels like a mini dh sled. My Nomad C was just a little harsh with a pedalable sag setting and this thing eats it up with only 20% sag. Somethings off..
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 You might be right about the shock tune. Bike rumor mentioned something about the first Batch having the wrong tune on the shock. On the test bike they rode in Sedona. I've talked to a couple guys that have Troys down in Fruita and they are claiming its one of the best bikes they have ever ridden. I for one want to ride one before I pass judgment. Most of the snow is gone in Fruita so hopefully ride one in the next couple weeks. I'll post comments after I ride.
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 These free reviews are bumming me out. Bike, Vital, and Pinkbike all gave it the thumbs down for the build and then other somewhat conflicting reasons. This bike rips. Of course I have a proper build on mine with real tires and a Pike. She's an XL weighs 26.5lbs and I call her Helen.
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 Richard, a little more info on the fork would be nice, IE: Evolution, Performance or other damper. More specifically, does the damper use the FIT design with an expanding bladder or the cheap OE garbage that will foam up under hard use and is NOT SERVICEABLE by bike shops?
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 The damper is serviceable your shop just has to be trained for it
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 "Sure, its easily servicable, you just have to get an expert bike mechanic and send hi to a training camp for a few days...." LOL
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 Yes, it has the FIT damper with the bladder.
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 Maybe Devinci should skip the 3k woven carbon that makes it "nice looking" - like tuning items of 10 years ago. I wonder how much weight that would save. DT Swiss did the move on their carbon rims. I think they shaved more than 50g per rim so on an entire frame could be some 200g.
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 You know, paint on F1 cars stands for almost half of the weight of the outer body parts... it still has to look good and in most cases the bare weaving makes the bike look as attractive as a mans scrotum.
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 Paint is related to the sponsor who pays A LOT to have their colors on the F1 car. Enough for the team to look for a way to save weight anywhere else. This is not applicable here. One of the usual arguments to sell bikes are "lighter and stiffer". Maybe they keep that one for the Troy revamp in 2017.
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 I think you are underestimating the looks as the factor making people buy or not buy a bike, particularly in the higher segments of the market Big Grin I personaly think that carbon should look like carbon, not like plastic, for example Roubaix Stumpy and Enduro S-works have this carbony pattern in places with glossy finish. But all that is not the structural weaving, it's cosmetical. All current Santa Cruz carbon bikes look like plastic Smile
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 I don't underestimate this, but I'm skeptical the old school looks given to the Troy is actually appealing. Obviously it's a matter of taste, and not my taste in this case.
My bike is an SC Nomad Carbon. The "black" one so with a rather weird aspect. But I see what you mean with the nice looking inserts, like on a TLD helmet for instance. It can be gorgeous but has to be well executed. Seeing some strangely wavy patterns is not a plus in my eyes.
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 A guy I ride with just got a new carbon Troy. It gets a lot of attention because of the way it looks.
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 It's obviously a matter of taste. Just not mine in the case of the carbon finish but I like the bike otherwise.
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 The leverage rate curve for the Troy can be found at linkagedesign.blogspot.com.es/2013/10/devinci-troy-650b-2014.html. DW almost always uses progressive rate curves.
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 So the measurements of the top tube is out , what about the seat tube length ?
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 I want that Smith helmet! For the bike, give me a Kona Process instead.
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 Three cheers for 2x10! I'm a fan.
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 2014 Bible of Bike Tests called it a confused bike: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdvqAyVSwQ
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 6500$ and they can't spec it with a float X or decent levers…..
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 Kind of surprised to see a long cage on there, when a medium cage is all you need for a double chain ring.
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 Never used anything but a long cage cause I like to have the biggest cassette possible. How do you tell if you can get away with a medium or short cage?
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 the max capacity of a derailleur is normally printed in the tech specs, medium cage will fit anything, and a short cage will do 1x10. The only time you need a long cage is for a triple with a monster big ring, even then you can drop to a medium if you run a slightly short chain and don't cross it big to big ring.
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 Short cage will even do 2x10 if you have the right gear ratio and chainstay length. But for the most part I usually associate short cage with 1x10, medium cage with 2x10 (1x11 for SRAM), and long cage with 3x10. There are exceptions of course. And when a company can get away with using a medium cage with a double, it pains me to see them using a long cage instead.
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 Derailleurs have capacities.... Combine the difference in tooth count between your smallest and largest chainrings with the difference in tooth count between the smallest and largest cassette cogs and check it against your derailleurs specs. Always check to make sure in big-big your suspension doesn't bind things up by pulling the shock.
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 I didn't read who did the review, but once I got through "component shout out" , RC just blurted in my head. Scrolled back up, and sure enough.
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 HAHA! just trying to change it up.
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 This review is an interesting response to Bike Magazine's review... www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdvqAyVSwQ
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 Why would someone want a 27.5 that acts like a 26inch when they already have a 26in that acts like a 26? Good luck with that rotational weight!
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 It's amazing there is enough bike makers out there. But these bikes are way to over priced!!
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 42cm reach on a medium. tiny!
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 Ya, many reviews say a rider may need to step up a size..if not 2!
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 Isn't this the bike that Smith won the a-line race on?
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 Me gusta everything but the price!
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 where is it being ridden in all the pictures?
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 What is an aggresive XC?
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 Wearing Lycra and yelling "Strava!" while bombing down tame trails?
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 Why is it called troy?
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 Because it's under siege by Brad Pitt in a loincloth and sword. Just kidding. I'm not sure.
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 Dance magic dance!
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 They never had a chance......
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 that helmet....
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 Methinks it would not be all bad in a darker colour scheme, maybe even ok?
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 I wonder how fast until the seat stay penetrates the riders calf muscle...
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