Exclusive - Devinci Wilson Carbon - Sneak Peek

Aug 2, 2012
by Mike Levy  
Devinci Wilson Carbon
  Devinci's 2013 Wilson Carbon



Dave Weagle explaining the Wilson Carbon to the Pinkbike's Mike Levy.
Wilson Carbon Details:
• Carbon fiber front triangle
• Carbon fiber swingarm
• Aluminum chain stays
• 8.5''/216mm rear wheel travel
• Split Pivot suspension
• Frame weight: TBA
• Price: TBA
• Availability: TBA

Devinci first debuted their carbon swingarm-equipped Wilson during last year's Interbike, a move that has us suspecting that the Canadian company was working hard on a full carbon version of the bike behind closed doors, even if our prying was met with a firm ''no comment'' on the matter. It only made sense, of course, that a carbon frame was the next step given the non-stop push for lighter and stronger downhill bikes, as well as Devinci's practical knowledge of carbon gained from their road bike lineup. Fast forward ten months and Devinci flew Pinkbike and all the people involved in the project in to their Chicoutimi, Quebec, factory for an exclusive first look at the new carbon fiber downhill bike.


Stay tuned to PB for more exclusive coverage of Devinci's new Wilson Carbon later this month, including a video interview with Dave Weagle, full specs and geo, and more photos of the bike.

www.devinci.com

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205 Comments

  • + 160
 Now that the cat's out of the bag, Could you please send Ian Morrison and a film crew to whistler to show it off? thanks!
  • + 68
 It's about time they made a carbon frame. Now Stevie Smith can rip more shit up!!!
  • + 32
 I'm lovin the colour. Damn that looks good P.S. Dave Weagle looks stoked
  • + 16
 Really? I think he looks exasperated, like Mike Levy just asked him "so, you make bike bits yeah?"
  • - 1
 saw it about a week ago at the LBS, it looks SICK!
  • + 17
 Sex on wheels. I want 2. My wallet can afford 1/2.
  • + 7
 POD! That would be one of the nicest looking bikes ever if it had 40s!
  • + 3
 lol. my wallet could barely afford the valve caps. damn maccas pay, one day...
  • + 1
 smiths been on a carbon for a while now hasnt he?
  • + 0
 yea they tend to give the riders the carbon before they let any one know. for example the carbon demo sam was riding it way before specialized came forward
  • + 3
 I saw steeve smith's bike at MSA and he didn't have the carbon frame. On the Pictures from Val d'isere, it seems he has the aluminium frame too, he'll probably have it for world's
  • + 0
 that C.F. Wilson looks sick

I had the pleasure of riding one of the first aluminium alloy Wilson SP bikes available and it was inspiring

cannot imagine how good the C.F. Wilson SP will ride??


currently riding a C.F. Stumpjumper and C.F. BMC Road Master (road bike) and both are stunning rides way beyond anything I have ridden in aluminium alloys

bring on the C.F. for the Downhill bikes Smile
  • + 1
 It kind of reminds me of the Niner Jet 9 RDO in orange and black with that seat-tube gusset. That bike looks funky but this one pulls it off, it's beautiful!
  • + 1
 I think we can safely say you did not see this in your local bike shop ... unless your lbs is the devinci factory
  • + 1
 It wasn't for sale, the devinci rep came in and he had one in his van, so yes i did see it.
  • + 57
 Stevie will be ripping even more now
  • + 2
 I'm sure he's been testing them already
  • - 9
flag dhracer433 (Aug 2, 2012 at 17:28) (Below Threshold)
 still wont be beating gwin anytime soon
  • + 1
 dhracer433 I know it's a few year old post but funny to look back on it and see what happened in the 2013 season, love gwinn though he is a champ for sure
  • + 49
 Tabernak!
  • + 17
 I know what that means! thanks urban dictionary
  • + 1
 GASP
  • + 15
 Thrown that word out there all the time here in Australia and I get blank looks. Miss you Canada!
  • - 11
flag robc10 (Aug 2, 2012 at 4:43) (Below Threshold)
 thats f**kin disgusting lmao
  • + 2
 its just a curse word we use here ,you can use it wen your happy or mad i was just talking 2 weeks ago about wen devinci would make a carbon frame ,here it is and it looks cool
  • + 18
 Tabernak is one of the most versatile curse word of all: you can use it as a verb, a noun and an adjective. it's like the All Mountain of words.
  • + 3
 gotta love being french canadian.
  • + 0
 Wouldn't say its a word "we" use.. just Quebec. -_-
  • + 7
 if only he could spell it right ...c'est TABARNAK criss de calisse d'osti de st-ciboire!!! hope you took some notes Smile
  • + 1
 Its not Tabernack, it's TABARNAK, for christ sake !!!! I think, im getting tired....
  • + 2
 rolf trop drole ostie!!!!
  • - 3
 Neg propped as always, typical pinkbike
  • + 3
 Does it really bother you ? have a -1
  • + 2
 Hahahaaha....
  • + 2
 I guess it does , here have +1 this should improve your life a bit Smile
  • - 1
 Thanks, greatly improved my life -_-
  • - 1
 to those who think my first comment was about the pictures your WRONG i was refering to somthing else -_-
  • + 2
 It's also often used as an exclamation mark at the end of a sentence tabarnak!
  • + 30
 I'll trade you my girlfriend for it...
  • - 7
flag Number29 (Aug 2, 2012 at 23:17) (Below Threshold)
 Would almost be the perfect bike if it was Saint build, SRAM is 100%shite
  • + 3
 just stop
  • + 1
 i agree i dont mind sram but i find that shimano makes a better product
  • + 2
 Saint and a fox 40 and there is a perfect bike!
  • + 1
 i like fox but i prefer boxxer WC
  • + 16
 I wonder if Nick Beer is gonna Frontflip this thing on the next Worldcup!
  • + 4
 With it being lighter would he of completed the front flip or under rotated more ? P
  • + 16
 Can i has it?
  • + 15
 it sure sucks being poor
  • + 14
 Wonder how much input Steve Smith had on this one? Looks nice!!
  • + 3
 he figured out the layup of the carbon
  • + 14
 That's gorgeous!
  • + 5
 I think I just found my next bike! I'm in love!
  • + 11
 SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!
  • + 13
 So there is a god...
  • + 12
 As if the Aluminum Wilson wasn't sexy enough...
  • + 9
 Judging by the amount of sag on that stand and through careful analysis of the cosign of the angle, I can say with 98% certainty that it weighs 34.3 pounds.
  • + 10
 Im going to be torn between a new carbon demo or a carbon wilson
  • + 2
 half the challenge with a demo is gonna be finding one. there only suppost to produce 250 of the frames.
  • + 3
 nah thats the team carbon i think, arent they making other ones too?
  • + 2
 If I remember correctly, the one they're doing 250 of is the team replica. The "regular" CF frame won't be too hard to get your hands on.
  • + 10
 Looks sick!!!
  • + 8
 I'll try one in raw finish.
  • - 8
flag RollaMan (Aug 1, 2012 at 23:13) (Below Threshold)
 you cant raw carbon..
  • + 9
 Are you sure about that?
  • + 4
 You can try.... ;-)
  • + 1
 Sand finish with ghost graphics.
  • + 9
 That's puurrrttyy
  • + 8
 Amazing!
  • + 3
 Just answer me
If every bike company is starting to make a carbon frames so in some amount of time
The prices will be alot more chiper then today?

Cuz i am afraid that me and may be more pepole culdnt efford that expensiv bike like 9000$
  • + 2
 Everybody does aluminum alloy frames and I don't really see them going cheaper by the year...
  • + 6
 Price: TBA (first born child) (arm) (leg) (gallon of gas)... seriously that thing is simple, and sexy!!! I like it!!!
  • + 2
 I'm not really getting what people mean by saying they uave knowledge of carbon from their road line, dont get me wrong they made the wilson an already awesome bike that much better but when you look at a devinci road bike and the list of european ProTour races its won you get a 0, specialized is a brand that they should say knows carbon
  • + 1
 *have, typed too fast
  • - 1
 Gwin wins every world cup, it doesn't make anything else than trek sessions a piece of crap now does it?
  • + 1
 not sure how that relates to what I said maybe im misreading... what im saying is you cant say devinci knows their carbon from road because their road bikes havent won anything, your saying that a trek is the same as any other downhill bike... which if you want to go off topic that is true if the trek doesnt fit you well but an M9 does guess which one you'll be faster on
  • + 2
 you dont need to win pro tour or tour de france to have state of the art product and knowing carbon pretty well .having a pro on a podium only show that you have $$$ to spend on a team .having a good product come from poeple with experience in ing. and a lot of testing and good manufacturing facilities+quality control.
  • + 1
 My point is that you can't rely on podiums to sort out what's good and what's not. It's only an indicator of who has the most money to spend on a team, as mazoboy said. The trek reference was merely to point out that a "winning bike" isn't necessarily the best bike... especially with the sessions for reasons you might have heard of.
  • + 1
 you do have a good point there, that specialized roubaix has won tour of flanders (very high profile one day belgian classic) five years in a row yet that roubaix is one of the flexier bikes out there.... but still I had a devinci leo sl and found it poor handling and having a spongy ride so you cant say they know their carbon from the road lineup
  • + 1
 Possibly, when I was shopping a few years ago, found a deal on a devinci CX. It was quite expensive though for the parts it had and the reviews said you were better off with a good alu frame so I passed. Don't know if they upped their game ever since, I'd guess so but is it good enough? Can't tell as I don't really care about road bikes, I only use mine as commuter for work hehe.
  • + 7
 Awesome!!!
  • + 1
 These bikes look cool although they are admittedly not for me as I'm just a recreational rider. But I don't get what the big deal is about all these companies releasing a carbon model of their downhill bikes. Every time a new one comes out (recently the Demo and the Wilson), or a new prototype is spotted, people go all OMG its CARBON!!!! But when then we see the bikes and they are, a excuse the pun, just a carbon copy of the aluminum versions of these frames. Then we here about all the testing, and R&D, and all that, and all they come up with is basically the exact same design as the aluminum frame, just made of carbon. I just don't see the great advances in design here. Its like that with everything carbon on bikes. Its the same stuff, just made out of carbon.
  • + 1
 less weight higher stiffness, whats not to gain (besides if you crash in a rock garden say bye to your carbon)
  • + 1
 Sorry for saying this but i dont like the look on the frame, shore everything els except the frame is nice. I think it look like they copied abit of the GT carbond and mixed it with Demo 8, to old school i think, but im shore it rides sweet!
  • + 3
 Nice, but I'm not a huge fan of how the seat is about half a meter above the top tube, it looks kind of weird! The rest looks great, though!
  • + 3
 This is awesome! I can't believe how many companies are now moving towards full carbon frames now
  • + 5
 Yummmmy.
  • + 2
 Stevie is gonna win on this, he will grow wings for his sponsors and fly down those hills!!!!!!!
  • + 3
 Well that's just made me murder another peanut. That's three this week.
  • + 2
 I just snapped my aluminium one. Wonder if I can blag one of these on warranty Razz
  • + 1
 Don't suppose it was a black frame n u came up short on the chatel river gap???
  • + 1
 I have the warranty one now so yup that was me!
  • - 1
 I was planning to buy this for my next bike, now I've seen it I want it even more, even if the colour looks shit. White with red trim is your best colour, Mr. Wilson, but I'd settle for raw carbon.
Some people are talking about country of manufacture. Can anyone categorically state where this frame is being made? I know a lot of production is still in TW, aluminium and carbon. I want one so badly!
Weight, any ideas? The ally Wilson is heavy. -1kg must be on the cards.
Anyone in the market for a Corsair Konig, 1 year old?!
  • + 2
 I can't be certain but one thing about Devinci is they pride themselves on doing everything in house, from frames to testing to their derailleur hangers. I'm hoping and thinking that they are still following this trend with their carbon.
  • + 3
 This with the all new saints, and fox suspension would just be immense!!
  • + 1
 one of the most, mean, agressive, good looking bikes in the w.c. circuit waiting for a win now she will
  • + 1
 I demoed the 2012 and it was sick!! It literally sucks up anything thrown at it . . . .
  • + 1
 Please let Devinci know that I would be happy to test ride and write up a technical review. Wink
  • + 2
 Nice frame now just change that stupid name to one that rocks, like Smith.
  • + 2
 one of if the best looking carbon downhill bikes around.
  • + 1
 it looks definitely the most "Value For Money" Carbon DH bikes from the most stable DH bike (lower center of gravity).
  • + 1
 Perfect balance of black and color, nicez! Now just slacken it out to 63 and... bingo!
  • + 1
 I wanna see someone offer a teflon coating on a carbon bike. Or even aluminum for that matter
  • + 1
 Really nice, but I would definitelly change the Fork and Brakes for something better, in the level of the bike
  • + 2
 thats a gnarly looking bike minus the ex325 el cheepo's
  • + 1
 MMMMMMMM!! SHO STEALTHY!! ME LIKEY!!
  • + 1
 And this is why my shop sells Devnici's.
  • + 0
 OT: SPECIALIZED SHOULD START CONSULTING DAVE WEAGLE ON HOW HE CAN DW LINK THE DEMO
  • + 1
 OK I gonna sell my soul to the devil !!!
  • + 1
 I just got a 2012! What the heck
  • + 1
 Probably the nicest carbon DH bike i've seen.
  • + 1
 Drool bike. ...me want any devinci
  • + 1
 Thats not fair! Might as well tell aaron gwin to quit!
  • + 1
 Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick..!!!
  • + 1
 how low is that top tube???
  • + 1
 Mucho props to a bike that is made in North America!
  • + 2
 I don't think it's made in North America....Likely it's made in China. Even Giant have a facility in China now due to cost. That's saying something.
  • + 1
 I just bought an x9 trigger. Almost puked when I saw it was made in China. Even SRAM are jumping ship, after all Taiwan has done for them!
  • + 1
 Push them funny parts on us. Bike is like a map of the world produced in asia, tested in europe and designed in north america. Hopefully china have some quality control this time.
  • + 1
 I can tell you with absolute certainty that the Wilson is handmade in Canada. Not only does my frame have a sticker that says so, but I know a few guys who have toured the facilities.
  • + 1
 Rules of origin, look it up. That sticker means nothing.
  • + 1
 My parents own an international manufacturing corporation so let me pass on 20 years of their knowledge for your education. To label a product as made in Canada it must in fact be made in Canada. The materials and components need not be made in Canada, if they are the product would be labelled "Product of Canada".

"Made in Canada" claims will remain subject to a 51% threshold of Canadian content but should be accompanied by a qualifying statement indicating that the product contains imported content. In both cases, the last substantial transformation of the product must have occurred in Canada.

Ergo, any product that claims to be "Made in Canada" must have gone through its last phase of production within Canadian borders and though not typically enforced it must be accompanied with documentation that states that components were sourced from outside of Canada. This can be accomplished by labelling as such or by offering documentation of sourcing upon request.

Sources:

Government of Canada

Rules might be a little different here than in the ROC. Many parts are formed or manufactured in other countries, however Devinci does in fact HAND BUILD every single Wilson frame.
  • + 1
 It's open to interpretation. The last stage of manufacture could be painting. They could pop the moulds in China or here, ship there for finishing. Is that 51% by weight, volume, time, manufacture cost, final value? Does anyone ever check?
I prefer Taiwanese frames because I live here. I'm not having a go at Devinci, but it is hard to believe any business can really be made in Canada and stay afloat. The best, and cheapest, manufacturing facilities are in Asia.
Maybe Devinci can clear this up with a step by step factory walkthrough of the Wilson being manufactured in their Canadian facility. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
  • + 1
 I re read my original post. I admit I used the word "nothing" flippantly. What I meant was, "next to nothing". The term "Product of Canada" is what most people would consider to be made in Canada. To me, made in Canada should be, the materials are sourced in Canada, the processing is entirely carried out in Canada. According to your research, "Made in Canada" does not mean this. It means, the final stage of manufacture was performed in Canada. That's my point. The actual frame is not made in Canada. It is made elsewhere, and then the final stage of manufacture is carried out in Canada. Painting it in Canada could be enough to legally claim it is made in Canada. If it were actually made in Canada, it would ay "Product of Canada" on the sticker. I think it's probably made in China, maybe Taiwan.
  • + 1
 kids, retails at $3300 frame only, may have seen one, its noice
  • + 1
 link?
  • + 1
 That bike is sick!! The collars are awesome!
  • + 1
 that is the sweetest bike ive ever seen
  • + 1
 I totally saw this coming ! Sick !
  • + 1
 would of looked a lot bettter with fox 40's
  • + 1
 any one know if devinci offer lifetime warranties on their bikes?
  • + 2
 If they do, it like everyone else that does it is merely a marketing tool, and that it only covers DEFECTS in workmanship or material. It doesn't cover rider abuse, crashes, or fatigue failures. Honestly, most people don't seem to grasp that if there was an actual defect in a frame, it would show up in the first 50 hours of riding... not at hour thousand and something....
  • + 1
 This is completely untrue. It depends on the type of defect, location of defect and thickness of tubing (for aluminum). The cracks grow with each stress cycle but the rate of growth is different depending on the variables above. Lots of frames fail due to bad welds after many hours of use.
  • + 1
 I can tell you as a matter of facts devinci does honor pretty well their warranties.
  • + 1
 And I can tell you they don't, they refused to warranty a frame of mine based on the fact that they thought it was rider abuse when in fact it was an overheated weld that caused my frame to fail (random hole near the BB welds). I'm in Quebec, I bought that thing in a Devinci dealers store, and they flat out refused and stated I should buy the exact frame for MSRP of 1500$ instead of offering a crash replacement. I was thinking good little Canadian company, I got screwed over.
  • + 1
 Sucks to be you mate! And judging by your pictures, i would call it abuse as well. These frames where very light and indeed very thin. One rock on the wrong place and kaboom. The newer model comes with a skid plate... No wonder!
  • + 1
 My friend's chainstay's on his DH bike (not a devinci) tore open after 2.5 years of use. He's the smoothest rider I know and I've never seen anyone take care of his bike that much and his bike broke when he was riding on a flat trail. Another friend who doesn't ride all that fast and isn't a hack exploded his rear linkage after like over 2 years or riding (wasn't a devinci either). Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a manufacturing defect, bad engineering or "normal" wear but they don't always blow up after 50h if they have to. Of course, DH bikes get more punishment but I've seen it happen after a long while on road bikes too.

@ m47h13u: No weld defects will cause a puncture like that. You definitely hit a rock. If it was a welding problem it would have made a clean crack.
  • + 0
 Wow wow wow, but what up with the shitty components? def needs a full XO dh and a RS vivid/kage/vivid air?
  • + 1
 its actually the mid range model show here the equivalent of the wilson rc from this year model .the full blow xo is the sl model not show here .
  • + 1
 And no doubt farmed out to china for production like everyone else does.
  • + 11
 actually its a well known fact that devinci bikes are hand built in Quebec
  • + 13
 The high end aluminum frames are made in house. All Devinci carbon is produced abroad.
  • + 6
 Not all bikes are built in China...a lot of them are produced in Taiwan.
  • + 5
 Its a well known fact that a lot of people still think devinci produces more than a handful of models in quebec. This is unfortunate but hardly surprising. A large number think the same about Rocky Mountain still when the only thing they produce here (as in actually weld the frames) are the flatlines. As to taiwanese production... not really anymore. Its gotten too expensive for many brands that don't own their own factories (as Giant does) to actually produce bikes there. Just as the labour costs in japan were rising in the 90s and leading to an end of frame production there and a shift towars Taiwan. Now Taiwan is pricing themselves out of the market and production is shifting to china. In ten years or so, they'll be another shift for many bikes to probably Indonesia or India.
  • + 6
 Taiwanese moved the sweatshops to Vietnam, Indonesia already. Pakistan, India next. Then North Korea. Carbon processing mostly Vietnamese. The epoxi resin used is extremely unhealthy, bad for the planet and not recyclable. Flaunting your expensive carbon frame on the track to your buddies shows that you are mindless consumer with more money than sense. C-frames are marketing driven innovation and that is bad.
  • + 1
 Have you spent any time comparing the material properties of composites vs alloys, something you might find in an engineering or manufacturing book. There are definite benifits to carbon frames, and for these bike manufacturers looking to put their riders on the most technologically advanced frames they can, carbon is a very sensible material.
  • + 2
 The entire carbon and resin production for every bicycle frame and component made in a year for the bike industry is a drop in the bucket compared to how much is used by boeing and airbus on just a dozen of their top planes. Thomson is bringing out handlebars including carbon models because of their contracts with boeing specifically. They need to develop experience with the stuff and thats going to lead eventually to a usa factory for the stuff. Right now the bars are going to come from taiwan theyve said.
  • + 1
 The aluminium Wilson tubeset is hydroformed in Taiwan, then welded in Quebec.
  • + 5
 I don't think bikes will ever be manufactured in North Korea.
  • + 1
 Fox`"The Simpsons", Disney, LG, Hyundai and many more.
www.businessweek.com/magazine/north-korea-new-land-of-opportunity-01192012.html

Carbon for bikes is b-ware. The good stuff is used entirely by aerospace. Material properties of carbon is brittle on impact. Once damaged - a bike frame is not repairable, 8lb of epoxi slowly leaching poison in a landfill? Great. Alloy and steel is 100% recyclable. Really a no-brainer.
  • + 1
 That's false.. carbon is very repairable and in fact more easily repaired than an Aluminium frame. You crack an Al frame, you can't simply re-weld it... there's all manner of reheat treatments, artificial aging, and quenching procedures to be done. With carbon a few ounces of epoxy, some vacuum bagging, and a few layers of Carbon fiber matting and the frame is as good as new. There are several companies that offer the service.
  • + 0
 Wakaba, you talk about leaching into the environment, but you don't mention the tremendous amount of mining, excavation and processing that must be done to get aluminum out of the Earth. They both have their downsides.
  • + 1
 Yes...the processing involves enormouse amounts of electricity, and in many countries, that electricity comes from burning coal.
  • + 1
 Correct. But reclaimed alloy furnacing takes very little energy. The recyclingrate is almost 100%. This is good.

Carbon is not easy to repair unless you talk nonstructural cosmetic patching. Thick structural and loadbearing aircraft frames can be sucessfully repaired. Not so with thin bikelike structures. There are no clear procedures and quality assurances in building a bike frame, there are no quality assurances in repairing a carbon bike frame.

There is no successful alloy repair method on thin wall alloy tubing. Its patchwork. But with splittin a suspension frame into individual segments - catastrophic failure involves replacing one element only. Low spring rates extend alloy frame lifes dramatically. So while not the best material - one can say alloy is an appropriate application in bikebuilding.
  • + 1
 False. Structural carbon failures and cracks on carbon bicycle frames are quite easily repaired and there are a number of companies that do it. Calfee is probably the most well known of them.
  • + 1
 Wow.
  • + 1
 Sweeeett !
  • + 1
 know what im getin next
  • + 1
 Cant wait
  • + 1
 Btw 2 bad its not full carbon ... we get a lower carbon swing arm next year as an update Smile ?
  • + 1
 sexy!
  • + 1
 yah its ok....
  • + 1
 "DW" looks zoned in....
  • + 1
 Boner achieved.
  • + 1
 Oh dear lorrddd
  • - 1
 I just snapped my aluminium one. Wonder what the chances of getting this through warranty are. Razz
  • + 0
 None, it isnt ally
  • + 1
 Pics or it didn't happen.
  • + 1
 LOOKS SICK BRO
  • + 1
 Rabbits!
  • + 1
 Looks so sick!!!
  • + 1
 very nice !!
  • + 1
 ORGASMIC!
  • + 1
 Thats LUSH!!!
  • + 1
 sickest paintjob jet!
  • - 3
 www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151973657030089

thats a alloy devinci that snaps the head tube of , the rider did come short on the jump but the devinci failed royally..
  • + 1
 Darn, r u sure that is the original Wilson?
  • + 1
 yup 100% legit,,, bit worrying . glad i didnt sell my flatline to get one..
  • + 1
 OMG!!!!
  • + 1
 PEACE OF ART
  • + 1
 siiiiick!
  • - 3
 Sick! No difference at all! Haha Im sure you can totally feel the difference between carbon an aluminum... In your wallet lol
  • + 0
 TBA.......
  • + 2
 TBA= Those Bitches Actually (think we can afford that)
  • - 3
 Build it up with XO carbon cranks, SAint everything else and a totem for barspin action it's a winner! Woo!
  • - 3
 Might as well go fox 36 kashima. Don't want heavy totems on this ;p
  • + 4
 Careful, you don't want it too light, it might float off.
  • + 0
 a new Totem air is only 1 pound heavier than a 36 float 180mm...
  • + 0
 ***ONLY*** 1 pound???
  • + 0
 It's also lighter, and crucially better looking, than any double crown fork.
  • + 0
 to be exact it's 257 grams heavier than the lightest Fox 180mm fork (Float RC2)... and it's lighter than the Fox Van RC2 180mm coil by 53grams...
  • - 1
 And which one of those is a double crown fork?
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