Giant Maestro Suspension Technology
Giant asked Clay Porter, director and filmer of 3 Minute Gaps, to capture the core concepts behind Maestro Suspension Technology. Maestro is the same technology behind Danny Hart and his incredible 2011 season, including his now infamous World Championship run in Champery.
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From big-hit to short travel, there's a Maestro Suspension bike for pretty much every riding style. Maestro is the full-suspension platform found on every Giant performance mountain bike - there are seven different travel/frame configurations.
Here are the core concepts behind Maestro technology:
PEDALING EFFICIENCY
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4-2-1 CONCEPT
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TOTAL BRAKE INDEPENDENCE
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COMPLETE SUSPENSION ACTIVITY
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CONTACT EQUALS CONTROL
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For more info on Maestro Suspension Technology and the complete 2012 bike line from Giant, visit giant-bicycles.com
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FUN FACT: The front inner tube actually out lasted my 2nd Glory frame.
FUN FACT #2: I was very underwhelmed by Giant UK's customer service.
Actually, I thought Maestro was a pretty good linkage, it's the cracks in the front triangle (and the customer service) that let the bike down!
In summary, yes they're going to make a f**k load of money, but they've got more important things than the head angle to worry about.
I've always thought Giant was a really dumb name for a bike company, though Glory is a decent name for a DH bike.
That's interesting to hear that Giant's customer service is shocking???
I have just had an anthem X frame swapped out within a week from Giant UK, they asked for a picture, and proof of purchase and then sent out a new frame....
Giant also offer a life time warranty on all there carbon frames
Gringo.
and at geo nerds, the biggest thing with head angles is under sag not when the bike i sitting without weight on it. if you have a10" rear travel and 8" front running 30% sag on both the rear sinks further and therefore affects our h/a and makes it steeper so dont just gawk about h/a without consideration of rear/ front travel ratios
When the first frame failed, it took them no less than 12 weeks to replace it. This was even more infuriating given that they had told me it would take 6 weeks.
The 2nd time it cracked, I returned the frame to shop on Saturday 23rd July. I tried phoning them and it was incredibly difficult to speak to the manager dealing with me. He never returned my calls (e.g. Spoke to him on a Friday and he said he would call back on Monday... I called Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and eventually got hold of him the following Friday). I was severely unhappy with Giant at this point, for fairly obvious reasons and given that I had already gone 12 weeks of the year without a bike - I didn't want it to happen again. After 3 weeks they managed to deliver a 3rd frame to the dealer. However they delivered a small frame. I am on the border line between medium and large, so this was unacceptable.
I basically told them where to stick it after this - having two frames fail and poor customer service on a bike of this value is unacceptable to me, so I demanded a refund. Somewhere between Giant UK and the dealer I am still waiting on this refund - which I need to pay my debts on the replacement frame I have bought.
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I am not a hucker - I have done a few med/large gaps... But nothing I would consider a 'huck' - this video: www.pinkbike.com/video/207269 - features the biggest stuff I hit on the bike. Also Danny Hart has hucked to flat in a few of his race runs, it happens on a DH bike and it should last more than 3 months.
And finally, my original comment questioning how many will crack has mysteriously disappeared from this Giant advert hahaha!
It's a blatant rip-off, and a decent, respectful company would have paid DW his due royalties.
From his words: DW Link and FSR squat slightly under braking, and ABP/Split Pivot behave very much like single pivots under braking.
They seem to me to be fictional characters coming to life in the heads of people with too little problems. If you worry whether a bike you are up to buy is having Brake jack issue, then worry a bit more about stuff like braking technique, line choice, pre-corner/obstacle setup etc. If you experience pedal kick when you uphill, maybe you should lift your lazy arse more often instead of ramming into roots and rocks seated...
The problem here is the boldly stated "total brake independence" which is not demonstrated in the vid. He who claims it must prove it.
I also agree that current frame designs have really minimized this to the point of being pretty much a non-issue (all brands.)
Brake Jack and Pedal Bob yea... rode a SC Heckler and never even thought of these two guys. I'd rather worry about numb willy syndrome from seated pedalling...
In VERY basic terms: ABP has a simple arc around the main pivot. Esentially, it's a single pivot with a linkage accutated shock.
As u ride and apply the rear brake, the rotational torque from the ground pulling back on ur wheel is transferred into the brake caliper, mount, and then frame. The wheel is spinning, and its trying to get the brake to spin with it. If the brake is mounted on a piece of the frame that rotates when compressed, the rotational torque will transfer into the frame and compress it somewhat. If (like a good FSR, floating brake or APB) the frame part doesn't rotate when going through its travel, then brake roational forces don't affect the rear suspension.
that said, who cares about brake jack? Some people like it because it compresses the rear end a little, slacking the angles of the bike. Some bikes (like vpp) have some rotation in the initial stage of travel, then none deeper in. I rode a dh FSR bike last season, now im on a single pivot with 9.5" of travel. I don't notice that big of a difference. If i raced, then maybe i would, but i actually ride my bike because its fun.
its filmed with the Phantom HD Gold and the Canon 7D
But yeah, very nice - a mate just got himself a red epic, so hopefully he'll be bringing it out on a ride soon
I can't believe Danny Hart is running a 350lbs ti spring, what a light weight. He needs to bulk up a bit over the winter so he can throw down with the big dogs. I think eating that nasty british food would make anyone skin and bones riding 350's."
is it just me or did someone REALLY tell the worlds champion dh rider how to ride !!!!!!
what a douche!!!!
Definitely to much pathos in that video
also giant your talking bulshit "Maestro’s linear spring curve allows the rear suspension to be incredibly sensitive to small bump forces" that is a false statement! using a more linear ratio over a more progressive ratio means that the initial ratio at the start of the travel is stiffer then a progressive one due to the fact thir ratio's HAVE TO average out the same (same stroke/travel) meaning that a linear ratio is actually a lot less sensitive to small bumps, also makes the shock work harder to keep the rear end from bottomening more often leading to more chance of shoc failure, then the fact that you use a stupid size shock in the glory (8.75x2.75) meaning the shock has to work harder again, a more progressive ratio means the shock is more sensitive, better controled, doesnt have to work as hard meaning heat and wear is less of an issue. yes heat is an issue no matter how much you guys think those days are over, do a decent DH run, touch the compression shimstack casing in the shock (and its not the main piston on fox shocks
A lot. Reminds me when Hill signed with Specialized.... Tons of almost forgotten Demo 8 where sold that year ! Good for Giant. Now Giant just have to give the Glory a descent head angle for the mass !!!
for 2012 giant have slackened the head angle off and stuck in an angle adjust headset across its whole range of 3 builds starting at around 2500.....
you cant even buy a santa cruz frameset for that and as hart proved it aint any faster............
-Loads of Reigns actually busted their Maestro suspension didn't they?
-Some Reigns still come without any ISCG tabs!
-Giant customer service sucks in many countries.
-The chain slap in the video is hideous, surely a child could see that a bash-guard and a $20 stinger would be loads better?
Also the rider's pedalling technique is all over the gaff, very weak video...
Check out Devinci's offering:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW5dfMeduNM
Is it just me or
DOES THAT BACK WHEEL WOBBLE LIKE MAD FROM SIDE TO SIDE AT THE TOP?
ive been using this for a while and theres no flex in it prob due to the huge mass of steel in the axle..... worls great though
Given that all they've managed to do so far since 2010 is change the colour of the bike and that I have had a 2010 Glory and a 2011 Glory, both of which cracked on the same weld... In the same place - I would have thought 0 cracking is a little bit optimistic!
FUN FACT: The front inner tube actually out lasted my 2nd Glory frame.
FUN FACT #2: I was very underwhelmed by Giant UK's customer service.
Actually, I thought Maestro was a pretty good linkage, it's the cracks in the front triangle (and the customer service) that let the bike down!
In summary, yes they're going to make a f**k load of money, but they've got more important things than the head angle to worry about.
so spoonyman works for specialised????
It puts maybe 15g extra on the frame but at least you got the option to run a chaintensioner...
like the vid and the pics show: it would make sence!!
Other than that, great bikes...