Source: Hayes Brakes Hayes releases new
Prime disc brake! Details and specs inside.
Read on...It’s here. And it’s the first of its kind.
PRIME hydraulic disc brakes feature industry-first technologies and offer more power, new components and a better ride. PRIME’s tool-free reach and contact adjustment, improved braking torque and feel and outstanding ergonomics are just a few of its many attributes. Plus, its ground-breaking, high-flow reservoir venting system has never been seen before. PRIME disc brakes are available in Pro and Expert configurations. If you thought Stroker was cool, you’re not gonna believe this.
Available Rotor Sizes: 140, 160, 180, 203, 224 (mm)
Hayes Prime lever and caliper
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Improved Reach Adjust Tool-free design that is independent of the contact adjustment. This feature has improved durability and aesthetics over the existing Stroker design. Additionally, mechanical advantage is fixed regardless of lever home position. This means you get the same power and feel with the lever set close to the grip as you do with it set further away.
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Mechanical Leverage Ratio Increased throughout the entire lever stroke, resulting in a high power level later in the stroke. This promotes progressive braking that is more predictable (modulation).
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Hydraulic Power Ratio 20% increase in hydraulic ratio over the Stroker Trail. Higher clamp force on the rotor is reached with the same given input at the lever blade.
Hayes Prime floating rotor
• A new four layer low expansion hose tuned for the Prime’s high mechanical and hydraulic ratios.
• New low noise and high Mu two-piece rotor. At 110 grams for the 6” version, it is also lighter.
• Nickel plated, titanium and anodized aluminum fasteners resist corrosion and maintain the high-end finish.
• New press fit Titacon CL 500 bushings are used in the master cylinder body.
• A new two-piece design that allows the master cylinder to be removed without affecting other handlebar components.
Price:
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can you please make a brake thats in the "too grabby" area please and thanks.
two options, period.
Hope Mono Trial OR Avid BB7 ( preferably old style )
Haven't seen anything else in my travels that can cope with how hard we push our brakes...
and to chris; maybe he wants some modulation / non squeaky brake / decent wet weather performance?
admittedly the sole's werent so great, but at least they didnt need bleeding ever other ride or pads fell out or cost a f**king fortune to be very little better.
now the mags are ont the trek.. still performing great.. only changed pads once.. and the rear needs bleeding .. for the rest great brake.. modulation works fine for me to .. riding endo's ..what is differetn to do for/with every brake,.. with the mags.. its damm easy
These look a bit more hopeful though.
in response to the blurred out part
if you look at the pics in the bottom right you can see a piece that looks like it adjusts the flow of fluid
The other issue is compatibility. Saint groupsets are designed to locate the brake levers in the correct spot, snuggled against the Saint shifters (if you like your set up that way). How will the Hayes Prime levers fit together with other groupsets?
*shudders at the thought*
Hmmm....
because I heard Hayes were getting "out" of the brake market for good?
the Hayes MAG was "back in the day" a solid choice
but things progressed, with other manufacturers like Avid, Shimano, Hope and Formula stepping up their game, Hayes did not keep up
the HFX-9 worked - for a while - but generally developed long term problems with the caliper piston / seals, and the master cylinder in the lever (before you asked I have owned Hayes Mag and 4 sets of HFX-9s)
the El Camino was a TERRIBLE brake - no stopping power (especially in the wet!) and inherent problems with air leaks - I had the choice of El Camino or HFX-9 on a 2005 trip to canada, and chose the older HFX-9 as I knew they would stop me for the duration of my vacation
Strokers? Not bad, but many riders in the UK reporting long term reliability problems, vulnerability to brake lever crash damage, and lack of stopping power
Hayes? like Manitou in the UK? a big FAIL...no one cares any more
floating rotors? if you ask Hope about their floating rotors (and 6-pot brake calipers), they made them because of "demand" i.e. hype
if you ride a Ducati or Kawasaki road racer (motorbike) reaching 160mph then sure, floating rotors make real sense (as do 6-pot calipers)
but on a 45lb mountain bike? makes no sense at all, not needed...just hype
Gimme Avid, HOPE or Shimano at this point please, Hayes you have had far too many years of terrible "innovative" designs.
cut the crap - still a new model, still untested. when the tests are over, you can talk bullshit again.
and the 224mm rotor - makes me wonder: if shimano doesn't offer more than 8' rotor, are they idiots and out of the league?
my personal opinion - hayes/answer/manitou are greatly underestimated. i had a hayes mag - nothing major, but it was still alive after several years of massive extreme DH bombing by the previous owner. now it's still being ridden by a friend of mine. tried a manitou travis - compared to it, boxxer 2009 bites the dust. soon gonna get me some new handlebars - probably's gonna be the new answer 780 DH. and after the handlebar - new brakes - options are saint/the one/stroker ace. now the PRIME is a choice as well.
my suggestion to you - be more open minded and try stuff.
Knife- you must be doing something terribly wrong that it takes you that long for the Avids...jk I believe that there should be no disc bleed that takes under ten minutes, chances are pretty good that you have some bubble still in you lines. Do you bleed cylinder to lever then lever to cylinder? WHile tapping the lines upward and downward to make sure that any and all bubbles that are hung up in the lines make their way out? Didn't think so.
about the manitou - yep, heard that before as well - older models are crap. but not the travis 2008 - i ended up with a SINGLE one. i haven't been able to get it out for a ride yet as weather here is awful and we have a lil more than half a meter of snow. but i've tried a friend's travis triple and another friend's travis single (like mine) - they do their job flawlessly, absolutely no problems till now, after more than half a year of riding. i've compared them to friends' forks as well - boxxer team 2007, boxxer team 2009, boxxer WC 2009, domain 318 2008 (used to be mine), Mz 66 RC2x 2007, Mz 66 RC2 ETA - the travis beats them all in terms of doing its job.
the 224 - well, if saint with 203mm rotor has the same stopping power as the prime with 224mm, may be i'd choose the prime - a bigger rotor is always more beautiful. but, gotta admit, saint is saint - pure sex.
what i was saying is - just stay open minded. the same way a company can f*ck up its products, the same way it can correct them or improve them to be even better. (beer)
Any time a brake had problems at the shop, 9/10 it was a Hayes.
they do sound good though.
but they haven't mentioned how it matches up with shifters. thats important
what do you think seraph?
The Pro will hit the shops with an aggressive MSRP of $209 USD. The Expert will have all the same tuning features and guts, minus the titanium bits, graphics and two piece rotor, at $179 USD.
you pommies would buy anything if it was anodized the right colour wouldn't you?
probably nothing special too, bet its gonna be a let down, just like the performance of this brake will be lololol
but i think they really did their homework and looked at elixir calipers and this is what they got. always going to be a step or two behind avid in my opinion
but it does look nice