Kona Process – 150 Millimeter Playbike

Sep 6, 2012
by Richard Cunningham  
What does Kona do best? Maximize the fun factor – and its latest 26-inch-wheel shredder promises to do just that. Kona designer Chris Mandell says the Process was developed from the start with a “keep it simple” mentality. That means Kona welded up-to-date geometry to its tried and true aluminum chassis and rocker-link rear suspension. This should be good news for top bike-handlers in the market for a 150-millimeter trailbike. Kona’s longer rocker link and simple single-pivot swingarm is perfectly suited for longer travel suspension – and nobody knows the burlier side of trailbike design better than the slug poppers of Bellingham.

Kona Process 2013

Kona 's base model Process shares exactly the same frame as the DL model and is reported to be a serious ripper for 3000 usd.



The Process’ aluminum frame is slimmed down by the use of heavily manipulated tubing. Chris says that complete bikes come in at 30 pounds, which is respectable considering that the Process is intended to handle everything an experienced rider may see in the Pacific Northwest, from drops and stunts in the park to all-day singletrack stints in the woods. Other frame niceties are an offset swingarm pivot to give the bearings a wider stance, a swingarm-mounted front derailleur for shifting precision, and an intelligent mix of internal and external cable routing to protect the lengths where necessary, while allowing easy access to the rest of the control conduits. The Process will be offered at two price points (Process DL $5,499 and $3,199 for the standard model) that share exactly the same frame.

Kona Process integrated brake mount and 142 - 12mm through axle

Kona uses a sturdy clevis type dropout pivot and a 142/12mm through-axle to keep the rear end of the Process flex free. The bottom bracket pivot of the swingarm (right) is offset to the left to give the bearings a wider stance.



The Process uses a 66-degree head angle, which is on the steep side of DH and the slack side of XC/trail. All sizes use the same, 60mm stem and Mandell adjusted the top tube lengths to keep the front-center proportional throughout the size range. The bottom bracket is set at 13.7 inches (348mm), which is low enough to keep the bike cornering sharply, without being so low that the pedals are playing polo with every rock on the trail. Pedaling effectiveness is ensured by short, 16.7-inch chainstays and a power-friendly, 73-degree seat tube angle. Kona also offers a full range of sizes (small, medium, large and X-large) and the performance of the bigger sizes is virtually assured by the fact that Mandell is a well known shredder who tops six feet with altitude to spare.

Kona Process Lyrik fork Kronolog dropper post 2013

The more affordable Kona Process uses a 160mm-stroke RockShox Lyrik R coil fork ( left) and the new Crankbrothers Kronolog dropper post. The fork is impressive. The post? We shall see



Components are mainly SRAM with 2 x 10 cranksets and RockShox suspension. The DL gets the Monarch HV RC3 reservoir shock, with a 160mm Lyrik DH3 Dual-Position fork, while the drivetrain is X.0. The standard Process is driven by a mix of X.9 and X.7 components and is suspended by a conventional Monarch shock with a high-volume air can, and a 160mm Lyrik R coil-sprung fork. Both bikes roll on 2.4-inch Maxxis High Roller tires, but only the DL gets the lightweight Stans Flow EX wheels. Kona did not forget the most important item in the all-mountain category – the DL sports a RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper post, while the Process uses a Crankbrothers Kronolog dropper.

Designer Chris Mandell stands beside the Kona Process DL 2013 top and the Process

Kona Designer Chris Mandell stands with his favorite bikes - the 150mm travel Process DL (top) and the more-affordable Process.



The bottom line for the new Kona was expressed well by its designer. ‘We wanted to make a bike that feels balanced at both low speed, where sharp cornering and maneuverability is essential, and still give it the ability to go as hard as its rider wants to push on the descents,’ Said Mandell. ‘The longer front-center and short rear stays help us achieve that balance.’

Kona Process DL 2013

A closeup look a the Process DL. The frame is decidedly Kona, and its numbers and parts spec are spot on for a trailbike that is expected to go big or go home.



The Process’ numbers look good and the component picks are spot on for both models, so we would have to agree with Mandell. As promised, we expect Kona’ s new ripper to be a blast to ride. We'll probably be testing this baby soon.

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151 Comments
  • 61 6
 Some may say that Kona's technology hasn't progressed and is going the way of the dinosaur...but why screw with what works? This looks to be a sleek, simple design with a solid spec that'll handle just about anything
  • 17 8
 But its technology is right there... the through axle rear, pivots etc. Pretty much everybody uses dinosaur aged suspension designs because there realistically isn't many/any new ones left.
  • 10 48
flag nouser (Sep 6, 2012 at 13:43) (Below Threshold)
 honestly, i don't trust kona after all of the snapped frames ive seen in the past year.
  • 19 0
 Thankfully no Magic Link on these models ...
  • 23 5
 you've seen so many snapped frames, purely based on the fact that their is many more Kona's around compared to a majority of other frames, the more of one thing their is, the more likely someone is to see one broken!
  • 6 3
 ^ Demo...
  • 7 2
 people think konas break easily because of their reputation of being heavy bikes there fore people think that they can take more punishment. so thats how you get the the people that will take a model like this and use it for a free ride dh bike thinking it wont break then do end up breaking it and complain that they break easily.
  • 3 3
 Whats wrong with magic link?
  • 3 0
 I've never had a Magic Link that I have gotten to set up the way it should be. I think it's a great idea on paper and a lesser idea in real life.
  • 2 1
 looks good to me!
  • 4 5
 im with yeahbro on this one, demo's are everywhere and very few are snapped... kona..............
  • 2 5
 You can't fix today's problems with yesterdays ideas and still be in business tomorrow.
  • 9 0
 sorry have to comment on this, I have a demo broken 3 rear triangles so far, I also had a kona coilair I sold it the other day, the magic link is a complicated setup I agree and if you don't set it up properly it's awful to ride, however if you set up right then it's an awesome bit of kit, the coilair was named the one as they said you could do all on it. this was true i did everything on mine from 6 hour xc rides to the mega avalanche, DH races I even jumped off the roof of a house in france on it which landed badly did the frame break? not a chance Kona and reasonably priced usually and hugely under rated IMO, for eg the kona operator £2500 brand new and was voted the best bike of 2011 by dirt...... does not take a genius to work out that people just follow trends when it comes to bikes
  • 2 2
 In my experience all the Specialized bikes I’ve owned have had awesome frames that didn’t even dent and my operator snapped so think what u want but I will go with the fact that Kona’s break often.
  • 2 1
 I rode an operator for 2 months straight in whistler bike park. The only thing I broke was a derailer hanger. Not even a flat tire! I was more broken by the end of the season then the bike was!
  • 1 2
 I remember listening to all those'...not a Kona...' stories before... Then I bought one myself- within 10 months I just smashed it to bits... I do not trust them either but they are good bikes- it is all about realising that you DO NEED a decent tool for a job- the higher you go the better tools you need- that's it! You will not thrash £1K bike for long trying something that is reserved for bike wit a much higher price mark... Boom!
  • 1 0
 theoperator was 3k usd?
  • 1 0
 from my experience, its been good so far, a week in Morzine, no problems, weekend at Rheola, no problems, day at Moelfre, no problems and verious days at downhill spots around North Wales... so far, no problems at all, I couldn't fault the bike to be honest! the bike was also bought second hand so yes, its also had a thrashing before I had it too!
  • 44 3
 Thank you Kona, for keeping biking realistic and not featuring the latest $6k debt on my credit report.
  • 10 1
 The DL version is $6K....
  • 3 0
 True, same thing can be said of the Norco Aurum, but the fact that they offer a $3k model makes riding an easier pitch for guys who have been riding for over a decade and now have the wife, kids, and a mortgage to think of.
  • 1 9
flag SmokinBarrelz (Sep 9, 2012 at 22:24) (Below Threshold)
 Kona should be renamed SNAP!!!!!!!!!
  • 38 4
 Good thing Kona didn't forget about the real mtb wheel size when designing a new model. Keep it real homies.
  • 6 31
flag Willie1 (Sep 6, 2012 at 11:53) (Below Threshold)
 I was just thinking, they missed the 650b boat. Won't sell well this year with everyone seeing the benefits of the proper wheel size for this class of bikes.
  • 7 0
 I think Kona is playing it safe, see how the first year of 650b does. I am sure they will make a decision on a 650b 2014 model later on.
  • 3 4
 agreed Willie. why get tossed by bumps that a bigger wheel size rolls right over. not sure of all these hard ons for 26
  • 6 7
 The "proper" application of 26" wheels is beach cruisers. 650b was the first offroad wheel choice in Europe. I don't ride beach cruisers.
  • 7 2
 The review said this thing is made to be able to through round in a park too. You can have ur 650B but in park jumping and tricking ill take the 26" wheels thanks...
  • 3 9
flag Willie1 (Sep 6, 2012 at 21:18) (Below Threshold)
 My 650b mojo sl jumps just fine. Keep the beach cruiser jumping wheels if you want though.
  • 5 5
 shut up about 29ers and your 650b's if they are so bloody good how come it's taken so long for people to actually go oh look at this wheel size??? blah blah also how come not one single pro DH rider has asked for one? 29ers and 650b are full of shit. just want to be a trend setter...... oh look at me I have a 29er because you probably ride like my gran.
  • 2 1
 andy. same reason the ski industry stayed with skinny skis for ever... something better came around. leaving suspension out of this take a spin on a hardtail 26 and then try it with bigger wheels. enough said
  • 3 2
 Andy, pro riders don't ask for anything except fit and tune. They ride what the sponsors pay them to. KHS did run a 650b DH at sea otter I think? The world is catching up. Its just like my 2.0l VW will outrun most American V8s. People think the stone age V8 is the best engine size, but an I5 or I6 is actually a better balanced design. A turbo4 is incredible technology.

650b has been around for a long time. It isn't new. Availability was the problem. 26" wheels were simply used because they were cheap and available. The other wheel sizes ARE better. I shouldn't have to but a 5k bike, then change the wheels because some knuckle dragger believes 26" was chosen for performance advantages rather than lack of availability of the correct sizes.
  • 1 0
 No doubt.
  • 2 0
 @ Colethompson:
Add suspension and frame design becomes a nightmare. 650B works a little bit better than 29", so I agree partially on that front, but 650B will not have a place on the more extreme (meaning 'more likely to break equipment') edge of mountain biking- DJ, SS and FR. Too much is compromised by the comparitive lack of rigidity.

As far as this 26/650B/29 debate, I know what crowd I fall into and I couldn't care less what the others do. Keep forwarding the sport your way and I'll keep forwarding it mine- by paying for 26" wheeled frames, forks, rims and tires and hopefully seeing advances in technology and craftsmanship. I happily paid for my Dartmoor, hoping that Dartmoor will continue to improve their products as they have. And looking at their product forecast, my money paid off.

(I ride DJ and will shortly be getting a Freeride bike for bigger stuff)

Vote with your wallet. Not enough manufacturers read the comments here.
  • 1 0
 @andyd2506: aged like milk
  • 28 4
 Chris is a great guy and his designs are spot on. I really think that he's breathing new life into Konas gravity division. I was lucky enough to ride my buddies Entourage on one of the last days at the N. Fork before it was shut down and I literally couldn't wipe the grin off of my face. My cheeks hurt, seriously. In less than one run it felt like I'd been riding the bike my whole life and honestly, it made me giddy. I can't wait to see what the Process feels like! Way to go Chris!!

On a side note, I've owned two FSR bikes, owned/cracked four of Treks ABP/Full Floater bikes, owned two high single pivots and a four bar linkage. All the nonsense people spout about brake jack is pure shite. Watch Fabien Barel or Steve Peat on their old school single pivots and tell me that brake jack slowed them down. Quit your whining, stop being a pussy and ride a bike.

Thanks again to Kona for offering bikes that are durable, incredibly fun, very well thought out and don't require a home equity line to purchase. I know what my next purchase is going to be.
  • 5 6
 Funny... cause with my 25+ years of riding experience (obviosly not all on fullys) I can tell you that brake jack is completely REAL... I own both a Kona Faux-bar and a Norco "FSR" bike currently and the FSR brakes much more actively (with more then 2" less travel) . Not saying the Kona is a bad bike, in fact it's great and very plush, But you're dilussional if you don't understand how/why it happens... and it DOES happen.
  • 2 0
 Completely agree that 'you' should quit your whining and ride your bike... however just because you've broken many bike doesn't mean brake jack is nonsense. Rolleyes
  • 1 1
 HAHAHAH Neg-proped cauee I dre to KNOW that Fauz-bars brake jack...Ok fine. At NO point did I resort to saying the usual "Konas suck" but franky I ride and have ridden enough different bikes to say that hte braking performance of different susension set-ups is VERY different. Trek's "ABP" brake-jcks (not like my old Stinky, but more then enough for a bike that claims to "eliminate it" DW's "Split Pivot" bikes do to despite his claims othewise... One of the best braking bikes Ive ever owned however was a last Gen SC Bullit with a floating brake (still one of my favorite bike EVER, it'd still ook classy to this day as well)... Something people always seem to kind of forget is that when you;re on the brakes, unless you're hanging your outside pedal with your inside foot off (as in riding cranks flat), you ARE applying some drivetrain input/tension and THAT can also cause brake jack. SO a lower single pivot with no floating brake will brake jack for more reasons then just the fact that it's a low-single pivot. The chain tension pulls the axle forward then when you grab the brake it exacerbates the problem.... (cont>>>Wink
  • 1 0
 AS I said, I LOVE my old Stinky, it's plush as can be (it doesn't put the power to the ground like my old 4x4 [sadly I had to get rid of my "nice/expensive bikes to pay for some major medical bills so now I'm BACK to ridig "old bikes" but they're still as fun as the day I first go them... just nt as much funas a new Enduro is gonna be] but it soaks u the chtter a lot better.. and a LOT of the "power down" stuff could be attributed to a bad shock that has little adjustment for L/H speed comp/rebound. I think a Monarch plus would go great in the old Stinky) and even under my 215lb frame it's held up well (never WAS into dorps to falt so...). At this point I' not gonna get rid of it cause its got great nostalgia value to me and will make a GREAT "learner" FR bike for the fiance... does the rear-end stiffen up inder braking: YES IT DOES. Does it make it an awfull bike???: NO IT DOESN'T... I am NOT a KONA hater by any menas, but siple mechanics, physics and having been riding FR/DH since it was invented means Ive got the experience to back u the claims I make. I see you shoudl too mate. Hll, we ride the same terrain, how can you say "it's just a hoax"??? (OTCSmile BTW PLEASE forgive my attrocious spelling/typos, this new laptop I got has the most odd keyboard that requires a REAL deliberate press of every key to get it to register... still better then my "SMART" phone that hanges every word and sentence to some unknown context for some unnown reason, but this new LT despite how much I love it, could use a better keyboard aye... is there somehwere in Windows 7 where you can make the keyboard more sensetive??? Seems you can do everythign else... wonder about THAT.
  • 22 1
 "playbike"? Are we really inventing another category? For me, if It has two wheels I want to play on it.
  • 3 1
 Word... all this segregation of the "kinds" of mountain bikes is just getting rediculous... I know this will date me, but I remember when "Downhill bikes" were nothing more then "regular" MTB's with a HUGE front ring and a 3" suspension fork... it might seem sketchy as now days, but it was very "FUN" even back then. IMO ALL bikes are "playbikes"... What Kona has built is a straightforward AM/Enduro bike plain and simple (and I think that the whole AM/Enduro nomenclature has gotten out of control these days...)

Spot on Scaliwag
  • 4 0
 Easy..... A "Playbike" is for folks that don't take this crap too seriously. People that want a bike that just plain works, day in and day out and is high on the "grin" factor. Race bikes aren't for play, as I would take an Entourage over a Wilson ANY day.
  • 1 0
 Ok, I agree with your premise, although I actually like the term "playbike"...

Because we now have, let's see...

DH
FR
"Playbike"
Enduro
AM
Trail
XC sport
XC race
C'mon, I must be forgetting something...
Plus they all come in three or four wheel sizes now...I can see how someone totally new to MTB could be frustrated by information-overload from all the marketing and whatnot.
I remember when there were just "mountain bikes" and some of them even had a "shock on the front"
  • 2 0
 I dislike the fact that we have developed all these labels for very similiar machines, but the Mountainbike has seen so much evolution since it's "repack" days. Unfortunately, it's somewhat necessary to have these labels. I say "somewhat" because there's ALOT of overlap between them, that overlap being necessary!

Take this Process for example- You could call it an Enduro bike, an AM machine, or a Trailbike. All would be "correct".

For the most part it comes down to combinations of head angle, travel, and wheelbase, whereas the term "Playbike" thankfully escapes all preconception and categorization.

A 80/100mm Transition Double could rightly be called a "Playbike"
A 200mm Speshy Demo could rightly be called a "Playbike"
A Chromag Samurai Hardtail could rightly be called a "Playbike"

All very different machines, but the illustration is that "Playbike" will never be a "Category" of bikes, but be used to describe something that is not built to be the fastest over a perscribed section of earth, but a bike that magically just adds up to a great ride. Some do both! The Demo is a very fast and capable racer on one hand, but there are LEGIONS of FR enthusiasts beating the crap out of them.

I love the term Playbike because it piques my curiousity. I immediately wanna know details- both angular and oil-based.

It's the closest we're ever going to get to a "catch-all" term- like "Mountain Bike" used to be.
  • 1 1
 To me it's just marketing to get people who LOVE too claim this and that about their baikes... these days IMO there are actually LESS bikes of real consequence out there. Due to the building trend towards smooth erms and nice trannys it's consievable to ride an AM/Enduro bike on things that were once only ridable on 7"+ bikes (although I will say a LOT of this started when some of us guys started to ride 4-5"bikes on everything and people started to see how much FUN a short-travel, burly little bike could be in between massive drops - which if you know how to ride you can still do Wink )... DH Still has it's purpose, but really, as it was intended, "FREERIDE" covers most of the bases from trail bike to freeeride bie these days... Seing Fairclough rip u those Santacruz trails on a bone stock Spec. Enduro (not even an EVO) really puts that into the light for me aye I look at the SPec.,Enduro EVO as kind of the "ONE BIKE" for us guys who grew up hauling 40lb monsters up the hill to "earn our turns" aye. "Parkbikes" are kinda silly to me as the same Enduro-bike with the right build is every bit the "park-bike" that say a TR250 is... don't get me wrong, I LUST after a TR50 and wish I had the funds to have everything "up-travel" of say an XC bike, but really, if everyone fgured this out and/or thought this way, bike companies would sell a LOT fewer bikes. Conversely, I wil say that this push to re-define the "types" of riding has led to some AWESOME bikes being built and that's all fine by me so... I can rationalize the rediculousness in my own head, so as long as the bike companies keep pumping out all DIFFERENT kinds of bikes I'm happy. Personaly, I think that a Norco Range 650B could just be "the one bike" for 90% of "freeriders" these days, and a Spec. Enduro/EVO could be the same... so many cool bikes out now days. Now if they'd just start to make these specia SS/4x 'Team" bikes available, I'd be really stoked...
  • 2 1
 (contSmile

After having an old Gen1 Norco 4x4 for my FR bike for years, I can say flat out that short-travel "FR" ikes are way too much fun to overlook in a product-line line... But hey, with the way things are gong, we'll have THAT category of bikes coming along in the next year or so (I hope, cause traditional FR bikes are kinda going by the way side in favor of AM/Enduro biks and I think there's room for both personaly) But then to the "big" bike companies, us "small-segment" riders don't mean much and economically speaking, I'm sure they wouldn't sell enough to justify tooling up for a whole new fame that they sell 100 of a year worldwide aye.

It's been a long day, did ANY of that make sense??? HAHAHAHAHA
  • 1 0
 @OldSkoolAK: " Easy..... A "Playbike" is for folks that don't take this crap too seriously. People that want a bike that just plain works, day in and day out and is high on the "grin" factor. Race bikes aren't for play, as I would take an Entourage over a Wilson ANY day."

> Spot on mate... great way of putting it. I don't posess the "say it in 50 words or less gene" but you do and I like your take on the subject aye Wink
To ME, there's a TON of value in a company who are BASED and built around the NW and our type of Terrain. To me, if it can survive 365 days of riding in the NW, it's gonna be a winner anywhere in the world. Sad to see how band-wagoning on the internet has lowered the percieved quality and value of a bike company like KONA... IMO it's all just BULLSHIT and Kona in my eys has NEVER falen off. Can't say the same thing about Rocky mountain who have all but given up on the FR market or Gary Fischer who seems to ONLY care about lycra wearing cork-sniffers in the SW...
  • 24 7
 Not a fan of kona but this may have just changed my mind
  • 3 2
 same here, the smaller size frames look better as the lower end of the top tube looks more like a reign x ...the kona sit says the price in uk is £2600...great price for a hardcore enduro bike imo...shortlisted it for my next bike..
  • 2 0
 As someone with an Operator, who was thinking about getting an AM bike, this is pretty well timed!
  • 2 1
 @Superbikes: I respect your opinion mate, and Im glad to see that you're seeing something you like but I always thin of it this way: Kona may not be the most "interesting" bike maker, but they've ALWAYS been all about getting everyone who wants to out on the trail (and what ever trail they wanted to be on) so while I haven't always been the BIGGEST Kona fan, I will always respect and be thankfull for them being here. Imagine how many people both Pro and otherwise migt never have gotten into the sport if it weren't for Kona...

I'm just glad they didn't try their "magic link" on this bike and I'd gladly have one of these and an Entourage in my stable. PLus for the price of their bikes, I could afford both AND still have money left over to take a trip so ewhere epic to ride them (well, maybe somehwere "different" considering I live in the NW and that's about s "EPIC" as anywhere aye Wink )
  • 11 0
 great set up for $3000. This is going to bring down the price of some other rigs. This is nicer than some much more expensive bikes.
  • 14 2
 Good ole konas. love em all
  • 10 1
 Good thing Kona made a play bike. So tired of all the business bikes all the others are making.
  • 5 1
 I own a Fuel EX8 and think of buying a bike suited for enduro. Should I buy a Spec Enduro or the Process(orange one) ? Don't have experience with Kona's so that's why I'm asking for some help Razz
  • 5 1
 Can't go wrong with either. They'll both make killer enduro race bikes.

In my experience with both...the Kona will pedal a little better than the Spesh, but the Enduro suspension will be more active (like a DH bike) and potentially descend better. I think a decision between the two will come down to fit and personal preference.

I would just keep in mind that Specialized has had a few years to work out the kinks in the Enduro frame, BUT, the frame uses a proprietary shock, so upgrading in the future will be EXPENSIVE. (I speak from experience.)

The Enduro Comp seems to have a similar spec, but with an air sprung fork vs. a dropper post for $500 more.
  • 2 0
 Thanks man Big Grin
  • 3 1
 Never heard of anyone saying that the Kona pedals better than the Spesh. Each to their own though. The 2013 Enduro actually pedals better than the previous years Stumpy EVO's, which is saying a lot. Both bikes will do the job well. Kona has really stepped up their game recently, so ride both bikes and make an educated decision.
  • 5 1
 A horst link/4 Bar suspension is designed to active under all conditions...including pedaling.

This is overcome through shock technology, but a linkage driven single pivot, in general, will usually pedal better than a Horst Link/4 Bar design. (A huge generalization, I know).

This is just my experience through 3 Enduros, 2 Stumpjumpers, an SX Trail, a Demo 8, a Tanuki, & Satori, and an Operator.

I'm obviously a believer in both designs. You really can't go wrong.
  • 3 0
 I say you can't go wrong with either. I'm riding a Tanuki now and wouldn't trade it for anything...except a Process or Cadabra Smile

I rode a ton of bikes before deciding on the Kona, and I'll say for sure that the Kona bike was tons more fun to ride than any others I tried. They last forever and are super durable. I'll ride Konas from now on Smile
  • 3 0
 enduuro EVO
  • 1 0
 I'm glad I got not only one opinion but a few here Big Grin that's the point of it all Big Grin
  • 1 0
 The Speshy Enduro uses a weird shock, limiting your upgrade/replacement options.... and check on it but I think there's something going on out back that requires a 142 axle with special dish.... I could be wrong. Everything bolted to welded parts on the kona can be replaced with something within widely accepted industry standards. I can't wait to put a CC DoubleBarrel on my Tanuki.... I'm having a wonderful time on my Kona, and if my bonuses are proper, I'm nab one of these Processes (Processi?) up!

www.pinkbike.com/photo/8451094.
  • 1 0
 No special dish on Specialized any more.
  • 5 2
 Kona's are beastly fun. my mano-mano from '99 is almost more fun to ride than my '12 Slayer 50 (so long as you're not doing drops , etc.) . and we're talking no disc brakes , 60 mm of travel in front and less in the rear and no 31.8 bar. they truly are "playbikes" .
  • 5 0
 This looks like a worthy replacement for the Coiler line. Frame-only available???
  • 4 0
 My LBS has pricing for frame/shock. I think they will be available.
  • 4 0
 Rode one of these out west...so much fun. The Cadabra is more for the XC types looking for an AM rig...the Process is more for the DH types looking for an AM rig.
  • 2 0
 I was recently in Bellingham Washington to attend the 2013 Kona launch, for starters i have to say this company is the real deal when it comes to biking! I am sitting down having breakfast chewing the fat with another kona enthusiast, when low and behold he stands up and introduces himself as the company owner, Kona is still an independent company with few employees. That says a lot in my book, i dont tend to lean towards the corporate spectrum of life...... Anyway, day 1 we are at Lake Padden for a test ride session, which i rode, then process, satori, and hei hei..... the process felt like a lightweight stinky. Climbing up, yeah it could do it, but not as great as my cadabra back home... going down, smiles the entire way, 5 inches of what felt like endless travel, and this is on a bike that setting up for me meant, clips of flats? I bet with some time dialing suspension it could climb almost as good as my 2012 Cadabra (which may be for sale here soon) i think i would save my coins and opt for the dl though, the finish was amazing and spec was a few pounds lighter than the base model. just a side note, the satori and hei hei were great bikes too, i see a great future for the 29er satori, not so much for the Kronolog post and avid brakes kona specs alot with, needless to say those were causing people headaches all day.....
  • 4 1
 What kona isn't designed with "keep it simple" mantality? That being said, there aint nothing wrong with konas. They just arent known for stepping outside the box when it comes to design.
  • 7 3
 Damn that DL is tasty looking...might have to forgo my plans for a Tallboy LT.
  • 7 18
flag gserrato (Sep 6, 2012 at 10:28) (Below Threshold)
 not sure how you could even compare a santacruz to a kona.

maybe the price is right? Big Grin haha
  • 10 4
 KONA! I'd take a Kona any day over Santa Cruz! Kona...bikes built for fun...not hype!
  • 9 2
 That Tallboy LT is a waste of money...they screwed the geometry all up.

If you're going 29"...the Satori rides circles around a Tallboy.
  • 3 1
 Funny because my friend Peter rides like a demon on the Tallboy LTc. The chain stay is a little longer than I would like but I have heard that it is a serious trail ripper.
  • 5 4
 Having ridden both...the Satori blows the Tallboy away...The geo is dialed.
  • 3 4
 No doubt...I'm a big believer that a fast rider will be fast no matter what he/she is riding.

Stack up the geometry of the Tallboy against the other similar bikes with the same intended purpose (Kona Satori/Stumpy Evo 29/Niner WFO) and they all have very similar geometry with the exception of the headtube angle on the Tallboy.

I rode a tallboy demo and it didn't feel nearly as capable as the Satori/Stumpy/Niner. I rode a Tracer 29 and thought the same thing. I'm no expert...just offering my opinion. I rode all of them before I settled on the Stumpjumper Evo.
  • 2 1
 Well I am in no way decided 100% on the Tallboy LT. I have yet to ride one off road (or any long travel 29er for that matter) so I will definitely withhold any final judgment until I can get some trail time on one. I just have a natural loyalty towards Santa Cruz because I have had a lot of them in the past and they have all been great bikes.
  • 2 1
 I did A LOT of research and riding/demo before I decided to take the jump to a 29er.

As important as geometry is with 26" wheels...I think the effect of geometry with wagon wheels is just exacerbated that much more.

Interesting that the 2 Cali bikes (Santa Cruz & Intense) have steeper head tube angles. (I don't count Specialized as a California company)

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they're both designed in California or that fact that they're both VP bikes.
  • 3 2
 The Tallboy LT is the best trailbike I've ever ridden. Numbers on paper don't mean anything. The bike is so good it's my go-to for bike park riding - and thats saying a lot because my other bike is a V10c. It's insane.
  • 2 1
 @NoahColorado...nice! I rode one too,I didn't really like it. Congratulations though.
  • 5 2
 ive got a suggestion, dont buy a 29er, climbs arent meant to be easy and decents are meant to be fun, 29ers do the opposite i wish i could have my time buying a new bike back and swap my 29er for a 26er, and to the point of kona's i got an operator at the start of the season and its the best DH bike ive riddne bar none, i probably preffered the 2012 demo 8 for racing as the ability to pick and hold lines is a bit better but for stability balance body position and comfort ive never felt as comfortable on a dh bike as i do on my operator, will probably ride one until i feel the need to try something else
  • 2 1
 I just want to say thank you for this comment:

ive got a suggestion, dont buy a 29er, climbs arent meant to be easy and decents are meant to be fun, 29ers do the opposite i wish i could have my time buying a new bike back and swap my 29er for a 26er...
  • 2 1
 gserato, i agree. Santa Cruz sh*t on Konas. Just my opinion.
  • 1 0
 It looks like the older horst link Turner 5 Spot. Not that that's a bad thing, IMO it looms pretty cool. I bet it will be a nice bike though, and as said by others here Kona's rocker suspension is older but it works great, so why change it? Just keep updating it until they have a new design that will be legitimitly better...but not just to sell. Anyway it looms like it will be a very fun bike Wink
  • 5 1
 Man, I love those Wah Wah pedals. So good.
  • 4 2
 they are simply superstar pedals...
  • 2 0
 "10/10 and winner of MBR mega pedal grouptest, Superstar nano pedals blew the opposition away with their perfect performance and amazing value for money."

Hey, sweet!
  • 1 0
 I swapped out the 8mm pins in my wah wahs for 10mm, for a total of about £1.50. Makes a big difference on a downhill bike!
  • 1 1
 Hoping to get some Wah Wahs soon for my Tanuki. They are beastly. Best of the best.
  • 1 0
 I ride a 2013 process (base spec) and I love everything about it. It is exactly the bike I wanted all for a very affordable price. I would recommend this bike to anyone. Period.
  • 1 1
 "The bottom bracket pivot of the swingarm (right) is offset to the left to give the bearings a wider stance."

How does offsetting the pivot give the bearings a wider stance?

I'm pretty sure the reason for the offset is to give room for a front derailleur and chainline that doesn't interfere with the rear assembly (seatstays, chainstays). Kicking the pivot to the rider's left actually gives a narrower stance (compared to a centered, evenly spaced pivot) and requires more reinforcement from the rear assembly to prevent twisting flex and lateral flex.

But even if I'm wrong about the "why?", it still remains that a left-shifted pivot will be narrower than an evenly spaced one, and therefore will give the pivot bearings a narrower stance rather than a wider one.
  • 1 0
 Flow EX on the DL - isn't that a overkill? Flows are lighter and still plenty wide/strong enough.

Generally look like fun, sorted bikes though. Kona have really got their game together in recent years.
  • 1 0
 According to Stan's the Flow and Flow EX rims weigh the same, 510g per rim. So why not go for the wider, beefier rim? I like 25-28mm internal width for 2.35-2.5" tires. Makes for a far more stable platform for tubeless.
  • 9 8
 Looks pretty decent, but has a few of odd spec choices for a "playbike"... teeny discs, dual ring upfront and a long stem.
For me anyway Wink
  • 14 5
 How exactly are double rings with a bashguard an odd spec on a 150mm trail bike ? Most of us who build bikes like this run double rings. A long stem? Looks to be 70 or 80mm at most. On what looks like an XL sized frame given that the designer standing next to it is in excess of six feet tall (notice he's taller than the door frame behind him). And since when are 180mm discs considered teeny ?!?
  • 5 1
 @deeeight: All sizes have a 60mm stem. I spoke with Chris at the 2013 launch in Bellingham about it. The combination of stem length, head tube angle and fork rake and the resulting steering behaviour is what Chris wanted across the board. The front centre, reach, or top tube length, however you want to define it, is designed around each frame size having the same 60mm stem length.

@T1mb0: IIRC, each size bike has matching rotor sizes, so the L/XL comes with a 203mm up front and a 180mm in the rear, down to the size S with 160mm front and rear. I guess the dual ring thing is a function of it being designed with Pacific Northwest riding in mind first and foremost. Most "average joe" riders around here can't push a 1x9/10 on all day pedally rides...
  • 5 14
flag timbud (Sep 6, 2012 at 11:35) (Below Threshold)
 Thats exactly why I said "for me anyway"
They're calling this a 'playbike' yes. Not a trail bike.
And yes I feel a 70-80mm stem is too long. Maybe where you live chap most of you do build bikes like that, but have you ever considered that other people who don't live in Canada eh, might have a different opinion. No.
And yes again for a playbike, especially one fitted with Elixirs 180mm on the front is too small for me. And 160 on the rear!
Rolleyes

So you're saying that this bike was designed with only one region of riding in mind?! Yikes
  • 5 1
 It literally says in the article that, "All sizes use the same, 60mm stem and Mandell adjusted the top tube lengths to keep the front-center proportional throughout the size range."

Pretty much every production trail/all-mountain/enduro bike out there these days comes with a 2x10 drivetrain as well.

You're obviously looking for things to knock this bike for...but you're really reaching.

Do you think the guys at Santa Cruz were thinking about your trails in the UK when they designed your Nomad? No...they designed a bike to be ridden on their home trails in SoCal.

But somehow it still works on your side of the pond...maybe it's magic.
  • 5 11
flag timbud (Sep 6, 2012 at 12:06) (Below Threshold)
 Not looking for things to knock this bike on chap, because if you'll just rewind a little you see the first thing I said was: "looks pretty decent". How is that looking for things to knock?

If SC designed my bike to to ridden on only their 'SoCal' trails why is it called a Nomad?

Well done for looking at my profile to try and find something to pick me up on. You did real well there champ.

For all the rest of you PBers, remember I just gave an opinion. And its one I'll stick by. Don't be pathetic and take offence, just realise we're not all the same...
  • 5 2
 Nobody hear is your chap or your champ. But you are correct...we're not all the same. Some of us actually read the article before we made, in your case an asinine, comment. Interesting theory about the marketing names for bikes though. I guess I'll just have to look for more stumps to jump...as bike names must be taken literally.
  • 2 8
flag timbud (Sep 6, 2012 at 12:31) (Below Threshold)
 Please quote where I called anyone here my chap or my champ. You might have read the article but you sure as hell did not read my posts properly... and then you jump to conclusions with bold statements about my marketing theories because I make a comment about the name of my own bike. And your calling me asinine. Really! And that's where I'll leave this because I'm done wasting my time defending myself for giving an opinion on a forum.
  • 5 2
 You literally called me both, "chap" and "champ" in your post above.
  • 2 6
flag timbud (Sep 6, 2012 at 12:39) (Below Threshold)
 LOL Yes but I claimed no ownership of either, like you claimed.
  • 2 2
 Your mastery of the English language is astounding. Congratulations on the enormity of your success.
  • 5 1
 Well, that escalated quickly... goo.gl/YwKWe
  • 6 1
 an all mountain bike with a 60mm stem and 180mm discs?! god forbid... and a double chain ring?! who wants a 150/160mm bike that can climb easily... that would be awful. who says a play bike has to be a mini DH bike? excuse my sarcasm but i'm just matching what i read...
  • 4 1
 I rided faster with my 85mm stem on my slayer than many on their DH bike. buy yourself some skill T1mb0
  • 5 1
 T1mb0 may not have mastered the queen's language yet, but he sure has mastered the art of receiving negative props.
  • 3 3
 I guess here on pinkbike we should all have the same opinion right deeeight. And donch, well done for turning this into a petty slanging match, you really proved your point.
  • 3 0
 Hhhhhmmmm might have to see if i can break my Coilair..
  • 2 0
 Process and abracadabra seem very similar. with the exception of the magic link. but they are so close in spec/purpose.
  • 1 2
 I am wondering why they didn't put their magic link on this bike; I understand it was supposed to be a "keep it simple" design, but I think the magic link would really propel their 'enduro' bike into the ranks held by the spesh enduro and santa cruz nomad
  • 1 0
 I don't know the magic link range too well, but I'm sure there's a bike that covers this sort of travel and design that has a Magic Link.
  • 1 0
 I'd like to ride the Process and compare to the Cadabra. Since they're both designed for enduro/anything you can throw at em it'd be interesting to see the differences in pedaling performance, suppleness, and big hit performance. I'd have trouble deciding between the two bikes Smile
  • 1 0
 cadabra is better on the up and vice versa i spent one day on the process and the next on the new slackend cadabra, magic link is nice but still better for climbing than decending
  • 1 0
 Those that poo-poo Kona's design need to consider two words- Tolerance Stacking. When you find something that works, don't fix it.
  • 2 0
 I really like the look of this. Maybe not the "coolest" brand but i like em. Had few back the day & never had a bad one!
  • 3 1
 am i the only one that dont like the orange kona???
  • 2 1
 Surely spec'ing a Crank Brothers Kronolog is a bad idea? Especially on an otherwise no-frills fun-looking bike?
  • 4 2
 Does it come in brown?
  • 2 1
 now seriously Kona....it's just a plain old simple all-mountain bike..lol
  • 1 0
 Nice, finally a good looking kona!
  • 1 4
 there are three things in mtb. Cheap, Strong and Light. Unfortunately you can only have two. if you want something that is cheap and strong, its not gonna be light. If you u want something strong and light, It aint gonna be cheap. Konas are the only one-off because they are cheap, but they are'nt light or strong. I think the brand kona should be renamed SNAP! Look up broken konas on images and you'lle see what I mean . . . . . . .
  • 3 1
 Nice
  • 4 3
 finally a good looking kona!
  • 2 0
 looks killer!
  • 1 0
 Buy if you want to just start enduro from day one.
  • 1 0
 Nice to see them bring the CoilAir back!
  • 2 1
 Can I run 650B 8-)
  • 1 0
 is it am bike?
  • 2 1
 these look pretty sweet
  • 1 1
 If they keep making the operator. I will continue to support kona!
  • 1 0
 whats that hinting to? i think its the best DH bike i have ridden, and thats compared to demo v10 and trek session 9.9
  • 1 2
 is this rocker-link compatible with 04's coiler bike?
  • 6 0
 Why would you do that?
  • 2 1
 cuz i have one that link is cracking... and i never found the link to buy...

-edit: any suggestions?? which is the alloy used to make those links?
  • 1 0
 I think that they use 6061 but contact kona about a new link for the coiler. I doubt it would fit but you should never just throw on a completely different link from a different bike. Although they are the same design the bikes are designed around certain shock and leverage ratios. Doing this would result in awkward geo, weird shock rates, and possibly you wheel bottoming on your frame rather then the shock. Old coilers are fairly cheep, i see cracked frames for sale as parts here and there. Ask someone if you can buy the link off them.
  • 6 7
 mehhhhhh
  • 1 3
 Anyone have a price?
  • 2 1
 www.konaworld.com/bikes.cfm $5499 USD, and $3099 USD
  • 5 1
 Shite!
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