Leatt Neck Braces - THE REVIEW YOU MUST READ.

May 18, 2009
by Simon Paton  
Perhaps the most thought provoking product ever?

Whatever your circumstances nobody wants to break their neck do they? Our Moto-X friends have shown us the way, should you follow?

You decide...Firstly, please can I ask you to read this from Tara Llanes as I sent her an e-mail asking for her opinion a while ago on neck braces and this is exactly what she said after she fractured her C7 vertabrae:

Si,

No, of course I don't mind you asking!! This brace NEEDS to be shoved into the face of every pro mountain biker on the circuit. Even I should have been wearing one. I mean so what that I wasn't racing DH, I was still doing about 15-20 mph hitting a super tricky rhythm section and any lapse of judgement could have been bad. Obviously I proved that theory correct!

I know Sam and a lot of those younger kids aren't even wearing f@#king knee and shin guards! I mean I know they all think they are invincible but at the speeds they are going these days and with the technology of the bikes plus the courses that are being built and always being raced in the pouring rain. You add all those together and serious injury can happen in a heartbeat. I am going to push that brace to every rider I see. I don't want to be a pain or will I be. I just want to make that point because I don't want to see anyone of my friends or even riders that I don't know go through what I am going through right now.

If only it had been out a little longer and I knew more about it. If you look at the Super Cross races this year I believe the majority of riders are wearing them and good for them. I don't want to sound like a hypocrite...I just didn't know enough about them and also didn't think I would need one while racing 4x. It's clear I was wrong because anything can happen to anyone.

Okay okay...enough ranting and raving.
Take care and talk soon!

Cheers,
Tx

Never Give Up!


Tara Llanes Road to Recovery



Fully decked out..

Fully decked out..


So how do they work? Well I'm no spinal surgeon so I can't and won't go into the finer details of breaking your neck and damaging your spinal cord..

•Hyper flexion- Extreme bending of the neck forward displaces vertebrae and can pinch the cord.
•Hyper flexion with rotation- can twist the cord.
•Hyperextension- extreme bending of the neck backwards.
•Axial loading- compression of the spine- often found in diving injuries.

In simple mans terms it restricts any extreme range of movement of your neck to which your head is attached. The platform collar that completely encompasses your head for the full 360 degrees is the key part. It stops your head tilting too far forward, back or to the side which can damage your spinal cord. Then it also stops the classic head first, power driving into a tree or upslope of a take off (Tara) and compression of the spine. Often a common injury for Brits abroad in Ibiza diving into a shallow swimming pool at 03:00 rather drunk.

The spines main two jobs are to carry and protect the spinal cord and the main structural part of the skeleton. The spinal cord transports all the control messages from your brain (not much for you lot then) down and through to several key areas of your body such as your bladder, arms and legs etc.

The spinal cord is super fragile and any damage to it will cause you massive issues. The higher the damage to the spinal cord the more vital parts of your body are goosed, proper.

Damage high up is nasty, think Christoper Reeve who broke his C3. If your phrenic nerve is affected there goes your diagragm which is a muscle that lets you breath. That could mean you are on a ventilator for the rest of your life.

I personally have been running a Leatt Sport neck brace since December 2007 and don't leave home without it.

I personally have been running a Leatt Sport neck brace since December 2007 and don't leave home without it.


I suppose after spending the best part of your weeks wages on one of these you must wear it, the only dilemma is when? We all know that accidents always seem to happen when we least expect them. Solution? Wear it all the time, that is your decision.

Then there is the pressure from parents if you're a kid. I have been at every race every weekend for the past few years and I've never met a parent yet that won't scrimp on safety gear for their kids. Fact: We introduced an 18 or under full armour rule at the NPS and not one parent complained.

What if you're newly married and have kids or one on the way? Well you can still live your life if a little restricted with a broken collar bone or two. A broken neck or damaged spine is not even worth thinking about is it. Talking of collar bones, plenty of rumours about these Leatts displacing the force onto your shoulders and word is that they can break your collar bone. O.K you have a big slam and you've broken your collar bone, just think what you could have done. My glass is always half full, what about yours?

Lots of gossip about using these Leatts with MTB lids. To help you out I measured a medium TLD Moto-X Lid against a D2. No surprise that the Moto-X lid was wider and therefore touched down at the sides sooner than the D2. Now for the surprise, the D2s mouth piece stuck out further than the Moto-X lid!

WARNING: PLEASE NEVER WEAR YOUR NECK BRACE WITHOUT YOUR HELMET.
Now I know that may sound really obvious, what I am talking about is wearing it before or after the race. The medics have warned me that if you ever fell or tripped over (especially backwards) whilst wearing the brace you could be really f*&ked (medical term). As the brace would almost act as a pivot point on your neck and the added leverage and weight of your head and the force of the fall could damage your spinal cord and kill you or put you in a wheel chair. Now imagine of your lid was undone or not correctly attached during a crash? Helmet flies off and you gambole down the hill with your neck brace contacting the floor and your head slapping around in several directions, great!

Straps included

Straps included


FITTING:
Now according to Dr.Leatt these neck braces are supposed to sit as close to the body as possible, especially the rear spine. We've done a lot of research into adjusting your race kit to ensure optimum fitting, this is what we found works.

Clunk, Click, Every Trip.

Clunk, Click, Every Trip.


First off whilst wearing your body armour open the neck brace from either of the clips located on both the left or right hand side of the brace and put on, sliding the rear spine under the back plate. Note Dainese and the top of the range 661 suits allow you to do this. You do not have to remove the back plate as the Leatt Thoracic (spinal extension part) slides in there nicely!


The 661 pressure suits and Dainese that have a removeable removable spine, you know the ones with the zips either side are the best bit of kit to match with a Leatt. For those running something like a 661 Core Saver you'll need to get a sharp knife out. Unless you have the new Core Saver that will be out in Europe in a few months time. That will have removable back plates specifically for Leatt neck braces.

I'm sure you can sew better than me.

I'm sure you can sew better than me.


If you're wondering why we're cutting up our best race shirt, it's so the elasticated straps that come from around the back and your front can be connected. This will then stop the Leatt neck brace bouncing up and down and hitting the underside of your lid as you rally down the track.

Scissors are dangerous, get an adult to help you at this stage.

Scissors are dangerous, get an adult to help you at this stage.


Top Tip: Don't wear your goggles backwards with the strap under your peak. This will mean when the goggles sit on the back of the lid they will foul the brace and restrict head movement.

My Nan would be proud of me..

My Nan would be proud of me..


As the promoter of the U.K National DH Series there has already been speculation on the forums whether or not these will be compulsory in the near future. I can clearly state that we strongly recommend every rider wears the appropriate safety gear available. This is available now and is appropriate. Will it be compulsory, should it be? You tell me, please post below!

Usual questions:
What size Leatt-Brace will I need?
The Kids/Small size usually suits anyone between the age of 4 – 14 years of age with a thin build which includes women, Tyler, Mikey and Jordan.

The Adult/Large size is for anyone who is over 16 years of age with an average to large build. I wear a large and I'm 5ft 6ins.

What if I break her?
There are Worldwide distributors in place though do note Leatt aren't that forth coming on their replacement policy. What they say is that if you break it which is highly unlikely that means it's done it's job correctly. You will need to buy your replacement spares.

What is the difference between the Leatt-Braces?
First answer is safety wise they are all as good as each other. It all comes down to adjustability and then pose factor! Yes they all come with straps. Just note the TLD one comes with clear poser straps.

The Club, Sport and TLD models come with the collar-platform adjustment built in both front and rear.

The Club, Sport and TLD models come with the collar-platform adjustment built in both front and rear.


To make sure she sits comfortably with your lid there are small adjuster bolts front and rear that tilt the neck collar platform either up or down by a small amount. My top tip here is to whack them right down for maximum head movement as we are riding downhill.

Vertical slotted back adjusters

Vertical slotted back adjusters


Now look closely at the vertical thorasic and the Allen key head on the red part of the brace in the middle. This is available on all models in the Leatt range including the Adventure. Unscrew that and the Thoracic slides out and if your a skinny dude you slide the two spacers away from your back and slot that forward. From this picture you can see I'm running it on the middle setting as you can just see one spacer. If I was a fatty then I'd push the two spacers forward and run the thorasic right back. Realistically there is only several millimetres of adjustability but it all helps.

More adjustability which is available on every Leatt including the Adventure.

More adjustability which is available on every Leatt including the Adventure.



See the black nylon curved spacer between the Allen key head and the Troy Lee sticker? Well this is the medium spacer. If you have a giraffe neck then there is a zero spacer which means the two red parts will almost touch. Thus reducing the length of the neck brace. There is also a large spacer that will elongate the neck brace by almost 1cm. These all come free with every Leatt along with the straps for fitting. These spacers easily pop in and out in under 30 seconds.

The Leatt ADVenture is 199.99GBP. Constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon upper and lower, non-adjustable and weighs 950grams.

The Leatt ADVenture is 199.99GBP. Constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon upper and lower, non-adjustable and weighs 950grams.

No adjustment at the rear for the platform collar on the Adventure. There is minor adjustment back and forth for the Thoracic (spinal extender)

No adjustment at the rear for the platform collar on the Adventure. There is minor adjustment back and forth for the Thoracic (spinal extender)

No adjustment at the front on the Adventure

No adjustment at the front on the Adventure


The Leatt Club is 324.99GBP and is constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon in both its upper and lower sections and weighs 850grams. Full adjustment of the collar as standard.

The Leatt Club is 324.99GBP and is constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon in both its upper and lower sections and weighs 850grams. Full adjustment of the collar as standard.


The Leatt Sport is 399.99GBP and is constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon lower section and a Carbon Fiber upper and weighs 780grams and is fully adjustable.

The Leatt Sport is 399.99GBP and is constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon lower section and a Carbon Fiber upper and weighs 780grams and is fully adjustable.


The Leatt TLD Limited Edition

The Leatt TLD Limited Edition

This is mega bucks at £449.99 and is constructed from a Glass Reinforced Nylon lower section and a Carbon Fiber upper and weighs 780grams and is fully adjustable.

Leatt Brace are South African based, we saw them at the World Cup round 1 handing them out to the top riders for free. I first saw Vanessa Quinn wearing one over two years ago, we know Gracia wears one as does Bryceland, so my only question, when will we see Greg Minnaar in one?

South African Karl Prestwood is the U.K disty. http://www.kpr-motocross.com/

FINAL WORDS: Don't have nightmares. Serious neck and back injuries are very rare and I'm not writing this article to scare you. Hopefully you now have a whole bunch of facts and thoughts that will allow you to make an informed decision.

If you're ever at a race here in the U.K., I always have a spare one you can try on and take for a spin.

Stay Unclipped.

Si Paton.
Descent-Gear.com
2010 Boxxers Landing Start of June


251 Comments

  • + 54
 In my opinion i recon they should be compulsory but there so expensive atm which maybe off putting to some, although small price to pay to be able to walk on your own 2 feet.
  • + 4
 yeah, you´re right! i think i´ll buy the club version in the next few days!
  • + 26
 At least they should be compulsory in the World Cup along with helmet and spine protector.
  • + 12
 I think the only way i could justify purchasing one is on monthly payments, with race entries being £50+ and all the other expenses it really is extorsionate! I really do want to get one however, as you say demo8.. its so expensive its making me put off buying one!

Problem is, whats the best way to get around this!? If anyone has a way please tell me!
  • + 7
 if you go on to ebay (i know they are on there not sure were else)

there is a cheaper version, Danny heart wears it, so it can't be as bad! i think they are just over £100,
  • + 23
 Looking at their prices, Leatt need some serious competition before neckbraces become compulsory at races.

Really, it bums me out that they're going around at races handing them out to pros for free when they can only afford to do so because Joe Public is handing over £400+ a time. How about letting their sponsors pick up the tab (as is said, it's a small price to keep your top athletes at the top)? Maybe if our industry was playing on a level pitch the vast majority of riders would find these products more affordable.
  • + 10
 i would have one straight off if they wernt so expensive. just because some of us own bikes that are over £1000 even £2000 it doesnt meen we have another £200 - £450 at one of those. because we have spent most/ all of our money on making the bike spot on so it is more controled while riding, again reducing the risk, but yes, i would defenately buy one if they wernt so darn expensive!!!!!
  • - 1
 A bike won't lower the risk, technique and safety gear does that.
  • + 13
 **** that. Try telling me I'm not safer than before with £400 spent on some shithot brakes.
  • + 9
 Raveglia: I hear what you say, but I think it's a good move handing it out to pros, because the kids do only what the pros do. So if no pros are wearing braces then no one will be motivated to buy one. It's the same with the BMX scene, most of the pros are riding around without helmets so the kids thinks it's "uncool" and they don't wear em...

But yea, it is sorry that they are so expensive, but there's a lot of research and work that goes into it.
  • + 3
 In turn, I understand your argument. My point is that Pros are the only bikers to whom money is no object. If the price is reasonable to the man in the street, it is a BARGAIN to teams spending thousands each season on race appearances alone. If their pro breaks their neck the whole company is affected, not 'just' the rider and their social circle.

The neck brace would have to be practically useless (i.e. worthless) for teams to only want one if it's free. I think we both agree that they are worthwhile protective gear - that's why team pros are using them, not because they were handed out free.

It was a PR stunt - in my eyes, gone bad.
  • + 4
 ive wanted one since i saw mountain bikers first wearing them but the price is a effing killer
  • + 3
 eye opening article. you were saying the adventure has no collar adjustments does that mean the movement will be less any body own one that can tell me?
  • + 2
 Yea I hear you. I'm also struggling to get the money together... but I don't think it's a stunt gone bad. The fact is it is a new piece of equipment, and offering it for free to the racers is a good way to have them try it out and see what it feels like without having to commit to anything. I think many racers think that it will inhibit movement or something... who knows... but the more people are wearing protection the better. But let's hope that more sales will bring down prices!
  • + 2
 ravelglia, you have to remember that this product has very few lines that it can be advertised through and reach the target market. promotion by loading the athletes up is just like buying a mag ad or sponsoring an event. it's all about getting your name out there and i would imagine that at 300-400$ retail (160-220 cost prob), the amount of exposure they would get is far exceeding that of a mag for the money they have to spend + they get repeat exposure race after race without fully sponsoring the athlete. advertising can also be looked at that if they push enough of these products it offsets the costs eventually lowering the consumer prices. i do see your point tho it's hard to see a company drop thousands at a race handing out a product but remember when you see an ad in the mag next month it cost that company more.
  • + 2
 That's a moot argument. Unless we have magazines' ad rates for direct comparison it's not a point I would hold dearly. Sure, decking every pro racer out for free is promotion in the same way ads are, but let's get real here. There are massive international product festivals (interbike) there are massive international websites like this one, and there exists the opportunity to give free product trails (lets say, a practice run) for anyone and everyone to see that the product doesnt hinder head movement.

Giving them out to pros is a way of getting themselves seen out there, for sure, but it wasn't free. All of those braces - and, I daresay, their crash replacements - have been paid for out of the pocket of the people this article/infomercial is targetting.

I'm putting it out there, I think this company has behaved badly with respect to their pricing structure and their promotional strategy. There are ways and ways of doing things my friends, and I'm not about to start making excuses for what I think is poor corporate behaviour. Just my two cents, cheers.
  • + 1
 I think it should be mandatory in all downhill races, big freeride comps, and 4x, that's just my opinion though.
  • + 4
 There are, and only ever will be two arguments for a Leatt.

1) They're amazing pieces of kit that will potentially save your neck your life.

2) Leatts are expensive, there's point wearing a Leatt unless your going to wear a full, complete body suit and finally its all fashion.

The end. Make up your own mind!

Personally I think they're great. One day when I can afford one, I'll get one.
  • + 2
 Thats way oversimplified. Most of the comments here allude to a third argument:

Product is spot on, Pricing is exorbitant, Promotion is dubious and from a consumer perspective (those with the money thus the power) they need competition (or their patent to expire, whatever)
  • + 4
 does hill really not wear pads?
  • + 1
 wouldn't this thing break your back where the tail thing ends?

also it looks like it would be very uncomfortable for people who have previously broken their collar bone.
  • + 3
 Why not just pay £10 for one of those neck donut things?
  • + 2
 it only protects your neck from rolling backwards. a brace protects it from going anywhere.
  • + 1
 I'm looking into buying one before tht fatal crash does come!

Nice to see you included a wentwood dh pic Razz
  • + 2
 I think after they develop a D3o pressure suit with a neck peice this shit will become extinct pretty fast check this out,basicly it's a super flexible material that locks up and becomes stiff on impact absorbing all the blowhttp://www.d3o.com/
  • + 2
 661 makes some shin,knee and elbow pads out of this stuff,even snow boarding jacket company's are making this stuff in to their stuff, very cool shit.
  • + 3
 hmm 2 ways to die
breaking your neck (worst chance of survival)
or murdered by your wife when the credit card bill comes through (slightly better chance but not much)
im sure 661 do a neck brace and yh might not offer same amount of protection but its alot easier on the wallet
but any protection is better then none right ?
at the end of the day how much do you value your own life and all that tbh
  • + 1
 the idea of the Leatt ADVenture was to make it less expensive. compared to most parts on a bike, $200 (or the $350 for the club) is really not that bad. Also, its completely worth it to prevent and injury and since for most of us, biking is what we do and focus on its stupid not to make the investment and get one. I have the Leatt Club and its great, dont notice it when you ride and i know it has protected me a few times.
  • + 0
 Neck braces scare me. I wouldn't trust one NOT to break my neck on its own. Sometimes to tuck and roll, you have to TUCK your head down to roll, this prevents that...
  • + 2
 The biggest problem with the neck brace is when do you wear it. I mean i wouldnt want to wear it when i'm down at the pump track in my piss pot but surely i could be just as likely to break my neck then as when i'm racing. What about xc riding, i wouldnt wear it then but i've read stories of xc racers breaking their necks. Do you see where i'm coming from?
  • + 2
 suicidedownhiller your stupid. tucking means you can land on you neck and stretch it more. this allows you to more you head in a conferrable and safe range. It will not prevent all neck braking but greatly minimize it. the leatt will let you tuck and roll and do it safely so your neck cant get stretched or compressed to far when you do. also in a lot of crashes where the leatt will save you, you wont have time to tuck and roll; you will be going fast, get thrown off violently and it will all happen so fast you wont have time to think and more around (its called an accident for a reason).

as for when to wear it, i started just using it at parks but now i use it more. basically if i am wearing my full face ill put the leatt on because its so low profile and out of the way you dont really notice it.
  • + 4
 a neck brace should be mandatory, just like a helmet. some helmets are very expensive too be we still HAVE to wear them...neck braces should HAVE to be worn. especially for DH/FR and 4X
  • - 2
 I'm sorry hondarider241 but that is the biggest load of shit i have heard in a long time. Theres no way they will make neck praces mandatory. ou can pick a helmet up for £50 but a neck brace is over £200
  • + 5
 he is right, after this or next year, competitors will have arose in the market and they will become cheaper, therefore most big races will have them mandatory.
  • + 4
 One thing that people do wrong with these is not set them up right. They HAVE TO SIT COMPLETELY ON YOUR SHOULDERS for them to work properly. I race motocross and so many people wear them wrong. People have had these break their collarbones but I'm pretty sure most of us would rather have a broken collarbone than be paralyzed.
  • - 2
 well JamesOliver...if you wanna break your neck be my guest, but some of us actually want to live
  • + 4
 I didnt say i wanted to break my neck. I said event organisers are not going to make neck braces compulsory any time soon.
  • + 4
 well, i wont be buying one anytime soon. i know for a fact that id be MORE likely to break my neck if i wore one. il explain. every downhiller i know spends most of their time sessioning tracks, because their isnt an uplift. this means that most of the time spent involves pushing up, and hardly anyone wears their helmet on all day, they would die of heat exhaustion! so if i were to wear a neck brace, i know that for most of the time id end up wearing it without a helmet. Quote: "(While wearing the neck brace without a helmet)if you ever fell or tripped over (especially backwards) whilst wearing the brace you could be really f*&ked (medical term). As the brace would almost act as a pivot point on your neck and the added leverage and weight of your head and the force of the fall could damage your spinal cord and kill you or put you in a wheel chair." So, in fact, unless you are willing to take off your neck brace and helmet every 10 seconds, it seems that youy are more likely to break ur neck than if you were not wearing them in the first place.
  • + 1
 i agree, and besides, as i have said ever sinse the neck braces were being used for DH... if your gonna break ur neck your gonna break ur neck. and unless its 100% that it would stop you from doing that, only then would it be worth £174.99
  • + 3
 Dave that is a stupid philosophy to live by. I know for a fact that you wear knee pads but they dont protect your knees 100% so why are you wearing them?
  • + 2
 shhhhhhh! lol but i get wot you meen, it is a stupid thing to say i supose
  • + 2
 if they're this important lower the damn price then
  • + 2
 Its personal preference i ride one my friend doesn't he just chooses not to and also he cant afford to fork out on something that expensive. Also making them compulsory will just stop people racing yes its a benefit but if they are to be made compulsory then lower the price because without getting the deal on mine i wouldn't be wearing one.
  • + 8
 Already have my Leatt Club. It's awesome, comfortable, and unless it's like 80-90 degrees out, you don't overheat while wearing it.

Great product, and I've already put it to the test riding Moto, and it saved my butt... errr... my neck/back.
  • + 1
 i guess they would suck where i live (90-120 degrees) =P
  • + 6
 Thanks for a great novel. Good idea to put an article like this out there, now if only you could tell the retailers how important these things are, and get them to give us a good deal. If they were affordable and widespread, you wouldn't have this issue, and you wouldn't be making this article.
  • + 3
 Exactly, I want to get one for safety but its just way too expensive. I can't understand why there so dear. Oh and is there any other neck brace companies Paton?
  • + 1
 There so expensive because they spent millions designing, researching it and testing it
  • + 1
 True, there must be cheaper companies/versions of the neck brace though, are there?
  • + 3
 i hear you all. simplifying it, Leatt will say okay: it costs £1000 in R&D to develop the concept and then £10 to manufacture 1 item. We expect to sell two, so our costs will be £1020 in total; £510 per item. Our price, then, will be £550 and we make 40 batts a time

Reality is that people get scared or just straight sold on the idea, demand picks up (like it will especially if made compulsory) and now they've covered their R&D costs with two units sold, allllmost all turnover (eg almost all of the £550) is profit.

I dont like it, but this is how capitalism works. Amongst the marketing hype and the friendly sales pitch, they care about their balance sheet and profit ratio - not the welfare of me n my friends.
  • + 1
 Kenzo-try the EVS RC EVOLUTION-designed for mx, but exactly same principles, shape and effectiveness. might be a lil' heavier but who cares if it could save your life?
  • + 2
 Might buy that at some point soon, thanks l00casSmile
And your completely right raveglia, we get completely ripped off in this biking market but the companies know that we wil buy the products cause we're hooked on the sport lol
  • + 8
 Well neck braces are good but if they werent... SO GOD DAMN FUCKING EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more people would cirtainly were them...
  • + 3
 well its either being a tight arse or risking you're life so yer..take ur pick buddy
  • + 7
 well I cant afford one even if I wanted to!
  • + 4
 lol which u reckon u could afford more? a neck brace or the medical bills especially when u cant work?
  • + 6
 should move to the uk our government will give you everything you want...:P
  • + 2
 If you cant afford the Leatt... buy the EVS rc evolution. It was designed for mx but works on exactly the same principles, maybe a little heavier but hey-if it does the job you wont mind losing some time on the clock. Its £130.
  • + 1
 having to pay for this thing at the checkout is a certainty. medical bills arent Smile
  • + 8
 How about mentioning some of the other manufactures of such braces? Or are you too much of fanboy?
  • + 7
 yeah the EVS neck brace is very similar and a lot cheaper
  • + 11
 If you read the title of the article, you would see this is a review on the Leatt Neck Braces, not any other kind. As far as im aware Si only sells Leatt Neck Braces, so would you really want someone who doesn't sell or potentially not know anything about another neck brace to write an article on one, say the EVS neck brace, and potentially mislead people?

- Get well soon Tara Llanes!
  • + 2
 I guess it depends whether your eyes just read some friendly advice from a fellow rider, or a written pitch from a salesman. Maaaah, my cynicism is playin up again.
  • + 3
 In the SDA gloves are compulsory but neck braces aren't?!? Where's the logic behind that?
  • + 5
 A small proportion of crashes will involve serious neck injury. A high proportion of crashes will involve cheaply-and-easily preventable hand skinning.
  • + 8
 a small proportion of hand skinning leads to death a high proportion of neck breaking results in death or a wheel chair
  • + 3
 Pluck your own ballpark figures out of the air. In a full season at whistler, my guess would be something like a dozen spinal injuries resulting in paralysis and probably that number PER DAY skinning their hands. Now apply some logic, if you can, to an analogy. Driving cars results in a death every few minutes but they havent been banned outright. Instead we put rules in place to make maximum safety and minimum inconvenience for the greatest number of people. So yes, you can still buy a car even though you might die in it. No, you are not allowed to spank it down the motorway at 160. But of course, you realise all this and were just trying to look smart. Common sense doesn't seem to be all that common.
  • + 4
 I think the general fact that everbody seems to be avoiding is that neck braces are good at protecting your neck. Therefore they should be of at least some interest to everyone.

If you bought a Leatt, and from that day never crashed in a way that could harm your neck then so be it. You could call it a waste of money.

But if you end up eating through a straw then I guess you'll be having seconds thoughts via your electronic voice generator.
  • + 3
 Nobody is debating what you just said, but the i>fact/i> is that they are good at protecting your neck in a small proportion of extremely heavy crashes. The fact that we're all sitting here, able to control our fingertips on our keyboards, is testament to the i>fact/i> that this device wouldnt have benefitted any of us in the designed way, in any crash we have had in the past.

As I hope I've pointed out, no mountainbiker who has fallen could say that about gloves.
  • + 21
 The last time I wore no gloves was when I lost them at Fort William. Interestingly this happened to coincide with the day I broke my wrist in half - and waheyy I had to have a skin graft on the back of my hand.

Wont be making that mistake again!

Leatts = good. Roast dinner through a straw = bad.
  • + 19
 just because you break your back doesn't mean you're in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. BUT, you will be in a lot of pain for the rest of your life. I've broken C4, twice, and in one crash broke T10, 11, and 12 with 6 herniated discs as well. Trust me, if I would have known then what I do now, I would have gladly paid a couple grand to avoid the pain and extra cost of breaking my back.... 4 1/2 days in ICU not being able to walk because everything from your chest down is enough to put the fear in you. 200,000 in medical bills for the hospital stay, 6 months of therapy, 4,000 for a new bed to try and feel better in the mornings, and 5,000 every two weeks for epidural shots to relieve the pain in my back is definitely worth 500 bucks for a leatt. To all the people saying the neck is the shock absorber for the head, and these could cause brain damage are absolutely clueless.... break your back, then see what you have to say about something that would have prevented it.
  • + 3
 The abstract just got personal. Sorry to hear about your misfortune and I'm glad that you're as well as you are.
  • + 2
 alipestars make the best brace yet, others to look for, fro systems.
  • + 2
 From a person who has a fused neck now at C3-C4 from 9 months ago, it is well worth the little investment (just don't have that coffee you have every morning for a month and little things like that save a lot of money very quickly!!)
I have been back racing now and it gives me great peace of mind and I have already had a fall that it probably helped out a lot with. I think it would be hard to justify the expense if you are not racing, but if you do race it is worth it and you don't even feel it when it is on.
Unfortunately it will not help out very much with Thorasic injuries like Gsnickets'. Hope you make a full recovery!!
  • + 1
 I read this far and still wasn't sure about investing in a neck brace, now I just want to find one at a good price Thanks to everyone in the discussion!
  • + 5
 Everybody, quit whining about the price.....I suspect its a F@@K of a lot cheaper than a decent wheelchair and a life time supply of coloscopy bags! Get real, this is your life your playing with, its not worth taking chances. Just think back to all the stupid shit you've spent $200 in your lifetime and got nothing out it, this will make a difference.
  • + 1
 Most people who are whining about the price simply cant afford it. It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference how good they are unless I can afford one, and frankly I have better things to spend that money on. I know you'll say 'but it's worth it for your life' but theres just no way I'm spending that much on one. If I had the money I'd probably consider it, but I have also heard about them causing stress in other places of your neck in a crash. I think I'll just wait for the price to fall, and while I'm waiting I'll check for people getting brain damage from them. Seems like a bit of a racerboi fasion at the moment...
  • + 1
 Piontless comment! Has it been proven or is this just the usual sceptical word of mouth?! I'd say the latter! Their worn by motor X riders, F1 drivers, rally drivers( intact nearly all motor sport disciplines ). If it damages other places worse, do you think they'd still be using them?! Again I think not.
  • + 1
 I only doubted how good they were in a tiny part of my comment, the main part of my comment was about people simply not being able to afford them so really it wasn't pointless. I do know a lot of people use them, but there still is a possibility it could do put stress on other parts of the neck. If you read the review it says don't wear them when you arn't on your bike because if you fall over backwards it'll act as a pivot point. What happens when you fly over the bars and land on your back? I'm saying that in some situations they could do more harm than good, but it doesn't look like I'm buying one anyway, they are just too expensive at the moment
  • + 4
 I know that one of the 4x racers of the Scott team at the WC in south africa broke three of his C vertebraets (think 3,5 and 6). He was very lucky and will be ok and back on track in a few weeks. not even surgery was necessary. They had the Leatt Brace on their "to buy" list, but they didn't come in before the WC...
Right know he's walking around with a tower around his neck made out of steel tubes and it doesn't look comfortable at all. The good point is that all of a sudden some of the kids are wearing leatt braces and mine is on its way, too.
No reason to be scared, but good writing in here and sometimes people need an extra hint to make a decision.
  • + 4
 ok, i'm quite a injury weary rider.i'm 35 an have had my fair share of injurys,poped my acl an my current knackerd ankle being the worst. so i wear as much protective gear as i can
but
i'm not ashamed to say i'm also racing on a budget, i dont earn alot an i dont have a sponsor or a rich daddy to buy me stuff an take me racing
altough i think these braces are a great piece of protection i think the price is very unreasonable! the cheapest being £199!!
i just wanna say that if neck braces where made compolsery it would end my racing,,,an a lot of other riders,,,
i got my MX helmet for £40!! worth £125! £85 reduction purely cos it was last years color way!!!!!
sale rail shopin keeps me in the sport
but i dont think we're ever gonna see such reductions with this product?

i agree you cant put a price on a broken spine but, for me its no brace or no racing
something the people calling for braces to be mandetory to think about

p.s does any body make jerseys with the holes already in? all nicely sewn in, i wouldnt wanna hack away at a new jersey either!
  • + 4
 I've got a horror story from the Leatt. My dads friend was riding MX wearing just about every kind of protection ever made (including the leatt). He cased a whoop, went over the bars and landed on his head. The impact forced his helmet back into the leatt and stopped it like it was supposed to, but then all the force drove the lower part of the leatt right into his spine, breaking his back. He's a parapalegic now, and that is what he told me he beleives. Yes, the leatt may have kept him from breaking his neck and becoming a quadrapalegic but I would look into the EVS brace for better overall protection. They are cheaper, theres no bolts, and it transfers loads more to the shoulders instead of the spine!
  • + 2
 Mate that is sad, can he still walk or does he need a wheel chair, i am now looking at the allternative you sugested because, i nkow for a fact i would not like that to happen to me, and neith would anyone else for it to happen to them,
  • + 2
 Sad story. But good to hear he sees the positive of wearing one. I remember hearing the argument with car seat belts, that sometimes wearing the seat belt makes your injury worse. That's true. That probably is true for the brace also. This of course does is not enough logic not to wear your seat belt. You need to look at it in percentages. If you took 100 different car crashes and looked at the injuries if your wore a seat belt and if you did not, you would see that the seat belt saves people more often, even if in some remote case it causes worse injury. In the end, play the percentages.
  • + 1
 i think the seat belt thing was from the pre air bag era,
ive also heard this about hard type braces but never any one i know, also the thing about if the head suddenly stops moving the brain can carry on moving inside the skull an cause brain damage(some body got thier comment hidden for suggesting this)sombody i know had this happen to his liver,it got torn in half when he hit the back of a landing
i dont know if its true but,knowing this makes me want one of the big spongy types
  • + 1
 man tis article scares me into wearing mine for biking (i do in moto) but then this comment makes me question myself. the thing about the EVS brace is that it goes over the shoulders, which is great for impact cushioning, but you can't really wear body armor/ chest protectors with it. That's the only reason I got my Leatt, so it would work with my core saver
  • + 1
 nojzilla- your comment about the brain still moving is spot on. 10 years ago I wrecked my motorcycle. Ended up breaking C2, and my helmet came over and busted my left collar bone. Anyways, on the top of my helmet, there is a dent. Not a scratch, but a dent. No marks on the top of my head, but on my CT scans at the hospital, there was a nice big black spot on my brain. Neuro doctor informed me that was a bruise my brain suffered due to impact with the top of my skull.
  • + 1
 Yeah the guy will be in a wheel chair the rest of his life. I forgot to mention that he's also legally blind now as a result from the impact. How much worse could it get? He's 41 and he cant really do anything anymore. All his dirt bikes, quads, boats and his 2 airplanes have to be sold. It may have been a one in a million wreck but it still scares the crap out of me.
  • + 3
 to everyone complaining about the price... how much is your life worth to you? or worse, how much would you pay to avoid rolling in a Wheel chair for the rest of your life? think about it before you buy that new model DH bike this season when your old one works fine!
  • + 5
 You point makes me think for sure....
Do you spend $4k on a new dh bike, and no brace, or $3k on slightly lesser bike and $1k on safety gear?
  • + 1
 Straight up, I'd be really interested to hear if you topdogs and mods have a vested interest in the public opinion on this product.
  • + 1
 The only vested interest is that the word is out on a product that can potentially save your butt. It's never going to be for everyone and at all times, but if it even helps 1 person from breaking their neck...our job is done.
I have an evs brace if it makes you feel better Smile It's cheaper in price, and I don't know how much that impacts it's performance in a crash. I don't always wear it because it does not fit as well as I would wanted to, so to add to all this discussion, no matter what you get, make sure that it fits and feels good, so you potentially use it more. I don't wear it always when I'm just riding for fun, but if I'm going to go compete or push the limits, I put it on as an extra safety factor.
The point to all this is to let people know about a type of product. You may not be a racer, and may never push the edge of riding and therefore are less likely to have a large crash, so the likely hood of getting benefit of this product goes down. If you are racing, or pushing your own boundaries every time you ride, it's more likely that such a product would benefit you more. It's all a relative thing, not absolute.
  • + 2
 One more thing. I was not wearing it a couple of months back when I crashed at full speed. I wasn't even doing anything tricky or hard...it just happened. Tumbling for over 5 seconds, seeing dirt, sky, dirt, sky for what seemed a long time. A couple of broken ribs and a very sore neck. After something like that you realize that accidents can happen anytime. Also it makes you think that if i landed wrong on any of those bounces, which i absolutely had no control of, my neck could have been not just sore. Potentially, a brace could increase my chances of coming out of a crash without a broken neck.
  • + 1
 I appreciate your response. It had occurred to me that the elliciting a very mixed response from all corners of pinkbike. The only exception to this rule lies in that I haven't seen any negativity whatsoever from the guys I have marked down as the oldschoolers, in an article that isn't dealing in generics with a new type of product but is rather specifically dealing with one company's entire lineup.
  • + 1
 sorry, ''that the product is elliciting''*
  • + 1
 the wheel chair thing might happen anyways
  • + 4
 With the pros riding without any protection at all this product will have a hard time to gain ground in the market. I mean the trend is even going towards not even using gloves...
  • + 5
 Yeah, this is getting so stupid. They barely use any safety gear besides a helmet. The cost is that when they crash they will just be off their bike a lot longer.
  • + 1
 yeah I dont think the top guys riding in thier pants with a lid on is really helping this whole safety trend , personally i dont understand why you wouldnt want your knee/elbows and back protected , the excuse i hear from ppl is that its " uncomfortable " or "too restrictive" to wear padding , all i can think is these people dont ride hard enough to crash hard enough
  • + 1
 Just compare safety now wit a couple of years ago. Then it was just as uncommon to find a racer without safety gear as it is now to find someone with safety gear.
  • + 3
 i have one, you get used to it after about 10 minutes. they are alot of money but if you divide the cost of one over the rest of your life its about £10 a year for the rest of your life, a small price to pay for not being in a wheel chair. A friend of mine is in a Halo after breaking his C2, te friend who was with at the time went and bough a leatt on the way back from the hospital!

the adventurer model is only £200 pounds so they arent that bad! i think they should be made compulsary for DH racing, body armour just stops cuts and bruises, if you are going to crash and break an arm the body armour wont stop that!
  • + 3
 We spend thousands of dollars on our bikes and hundreds of dollars on our custom painted/carbon helmets....So what is your neck worth? Is it worth still being able to ride your bike, is worth being able to walk away on race day or training day after a really bad crash?

We need to adjust our priorities in this sport and get with the program, we have done this with bike technology, but we can't stop there.

I feel this should manditory for all U18 racers. If you start there and then by the time the youngest racers are in Elite they will all be wearing the brace and it will be standard equipment.
  • + 0
 Seconded!!!!! No question. On that one mate. If you want to race, I think you should have one on. No brace? no race! You have to wear helmets & pads- why not one of these???
  • + 3
 so i just showed this review to my mom who is a specialized spinal cord injury physiotherapist. her comments were not the best. have a look at the graph from the website; www.leatt-brace.com/av/gpx_motorrad_b.jpg the difference in tension, compression, flexion and accel show no dramatic difference. it would be interesting to know at how many nanometers and at how many Newtons the spine blows. if anybody has that info (mom doesnt know) it would be great. my opinion is that the riders who ride with them or are going to get one are going to have a confidence boost, just like when u buy a ur pressure suit for the first time, and figure ur neck is now invincible. for now i dont like the idea until i see numbers.
numbers anybody ?

zk
  • + 3
 Hi, I just skimmed the article and didn't read most of the commments.. so don't hasle me if it was already asked or said, but is it true that your chances of breaking your collerbone goes UP if wearing a leatt? Cause it happened to me the first day i wore mine... Thanks.
  • + 2
 This have startet coming to Norway, and i see more and more riders use them.

The manin reason the not every rider here in norway use them i think is becuase of the price, the price of the Club is around 4000kr about 400GBP. and if you want Sport you need to hand out 100GBP more..

I heard the the ADVenture isn't the best choise cuz of lake of adjustments that makes it unconf..

I am thinking of buying the Club these sesson, i am riding now and i will ride more in the future, and its an items that stays with you, so why not buying it now and be MORE safe, than later?
  • + 2
 I bought the Leatt Adventure ($300 CAN from a moto shop in Kelowna). I hardly notice it at all, but when I do drops it can be a little harder to look down to see the landing, especially when wearing goggles which further restrict the view down. That being said I am riding more aggressively this year, probably because of the added confidence factor. If I was buying again I would pay the extra and get the club model where you can push the front and back supports further down, and the padding is nicer.
  • + 2
 I would really like one of these, its just the goddamn price! Collar bone, ribs, shoulders and arms I am not to worried about breaking (i actually have above average sized bones believe it or not), but my neck and my spi
ne...I really dont want to take that risk at all. If I could afford one, i would wear it riding 24/7. I saw A LOT of people riding these at whistler, yes most of them were sponsored, but hell they looked cool wearing them lol. I know its not the purpose, but these things do actually look pretty sweet when you wear one and everybody knows EXACTLY what it is.
Looks, protection, peace of mind coincides with better riding because your more confident that your not gonna get as seriously hurt in a crash. For most people the price is warranted, but like i always say "Hells yes i want it! just to goddamn bad I cant afford it", is probably the case for most riders
  • + 2
 yes...compulsory it should be. you never think it will happen to you until you end up in the ER. And as far as neck and back injuries being rare "FINAL WORDS: Don't have nightmares. Serious neck and back injuries are very rare," they are NOT RARE AT ALL! The resort I bike at has had a broken neck, a guy end up paralyzed, and (shit you not) a guy DIE from neck injuries. And this is just what I know about from 2 seasons. Seriously guys protect yourself.
  • + 2
 Penk, You are right. If you ask anyone who has asked me that exact question at a race, by e-mail or on the forums then they will tell you I have publically stated I have no intention of making them compulsory at a NPS for anybody let alone an age category. Hope that answers your question.
  • + 1
 btw penktrials2 there is no valid proof that neck braces increase clavicle injury when set up correctly ...
  • + 2
 I hope, for the sake of racing, that these devices never become compulsory. I'm sure they offer protection, and I'm sure many people will say that they either owe their necks to it, or "would have been saved if only they were wearing one".
I don't want to make the morbid leap of saying "Hmm, I might break my neck today riding my bike, let's get the Leatt out". Equally, I don't want to put on a peice of equipment that increases my chances of Clavicle injury more than it decreases the chance of neck injury.
There is plenty of evidence that full face helmets and pads prevent injury in downhill MTB crashes. The evidence that Leatt neck braces don't do more damage than they prevent is not yet conclusive, and I should hope that the organisers of competitions base compulsory equipment requirements on evidence and not marketing.
Leatt had a very "lucky break" (if you can excuse the unintentional pun) with their introduction to MTB sport, with three or four high profile neck injuries within a very short time.
Si, with your position as both a main seller of the products, and as a BC commisarre and as the organiser of the UK's National Points Series, I think it would be wholly inappropriate and a massive conflict of interests for you to decide upon, or even push in one direction the decision on whether these devices are made compulsory in British racing.
  • + 2
 I find it ironic that some people find these things expensive but somehow find the scratch to buy a 12 pack every day. I've seen it a million times and while I like beer(a lot), I find walking, riding, and living a whole lot more important than beer. Priorities people!!
  • + 2
 I'm seeing more and MORE people Using these at even small local DH races, up to even World cup. Its good to see and been along time coming.

that being said do you think there should be a new gold standard to have these built in to your regular Pressure suit or armor?

obviously price is a non issue when you consider your life.

But most riders spend 150-200 on a full face. and i doubt you will see all of em rushing out to spend 4 times that on neck support real fast.
  • + 2
 i got one recently and raced it at fort william sda last weekend and as im 6'3 and have long legs i usualy have my head really far back so i can look ahead on track and i found that the leatt really restricted my speed at some points as i couldnt look far enough ahead.....
  • + 7
 great read
  • + 4
 agreed.
  • + 2
 Si,
I think it will be hard to make these compulsory in national events, but would arguably be the best idea, especially now the younger riders seem to have really stepped up the pace in the past 3 years. the problem is mainly, as mentioned, the price of the brace. although when compared to the latest D2 everyone "needs" they aren't relatively expensive at all. the problem will lie with the occasional racer and the rookies who fancy giving it a go but aren't fully committed yet. maybe it would be worth having a selection to rent at events/sell with discount from race entries?? this would make them more mainstream and acceptable for the fashion whores and hopefully you could then introduce the ruling in a season or two (so you can't be "flamed" for pushing the sales/renting/monopolising etc).


Anywho, great read, and was needed.

Wassell
  • + 1
 I would say the best bet is for Si to team up with the leatt guys and give his series racers a big price break if they are made mandatory, which they should be for anyone considered a minor.
  • + 1
 Twassel, I just suggested the same thing on our local racing series forum. I think DH resorts should also have them available.
  • + 5
 My dad broke his neck last year and the leatt would have saved him. Wear them. They will save you life
  • + 1
 Im not to sure why u guys wouldnt want one of these for dh racing and such, but in motocross we use them and they have saved so many lives and people from being paralyzed, yes u may not be able to ride again but to be able to keep using ur legs and feet im pretty sure thats worth $300-400. Ill be getting one when i get into 4x racing
  • + 1
 hey i think these are great but the prices need some work. So after looking around for a while I found a nicer more reasonably price version made by EVS. they sell for like 230 Canadian.

www.evs-sports.com/store/?category_id=21&item_id=216
  • + 1
 people are saying theyre not getting one becasue they are too expensive. well i straight out can't afford one even the basic one and im sure many others are in a similar situation. an if 'leatt' braces become compulsery in races surely that is unfair to people who can onlt just afford to enter races. 200 quid for the basic leatt brace + 120 quid minimum for a decent full face and another 100-300 for body armour isnt going to help get new people into our sport on top of the 1500+ for a decent starter dh bike. its just plain prohibitive to progress in our sport to make such an expensive item compulsary on top of the already expensive products needed to enter races. but if another company was to introduce a similar product for alot less (which coould probably easily be done) say for less than 100 quid then yes neck braces should be compulsary but until then it should be a recommendation. Also if they were made compulsary in world cup racing then they would be seen as cooler to wear as all the pros would have them so more younger riders would start wearing them anyway. (just a thought)
  • + 1
 they do the company's called evs like the link i posted... its about 200 in canada for on and in the uk thats like about 100 quid
  • + 1
 I Picked one up for £165 from a local Motor X shop. ok its only an adventure model but they all give the same in protection. the price is nothing when it comes to safety in my opinion??!!!!! i Personally think that if Si could get a deal struck with an importer, he could sell them on here for a good deal???? hahaha. at the end of the day if your only concerned by the bling affect you can always get hold of one and customize one with a lick of paint?! thats my next job to do anyway.

bay one. you'll feel a hell of a lot safer riding with it.
  • + 2
 I wear this neck brace, no helmet, an xxl corona t-shirt, cutoffs, and flip flops when I ride, and I have broken my neck 0 times. If that doesn't sell you on this I don't know what will.
  • + 1
 nice example...
  • + 1
 I plan on buying one shortly. Think about it this way. Yes the event of crashing hard and breaking your neck is very rare. However, think about the added comfort you'll get knowing it's there. I know for a fact that I feel a hell of a lot better riding with a fullface on instead of a normal helmet, resulting in a more confident/faster ride. Confidence = speed
  • + 1
 My question is; What results are there that show that Leatt neck braces are sucessful, would the writer of this article not have put them in to show that they are the best things that a mountainbiker can buy? I just want to know if they are diefinitely the way for me to go.
  • + 1
 if you go to the leatt site, they explain that there are no real testing standards for neck braces, but they have alot of test results and a ton of good testimonies from different people..
  • + 1
 why dont we just put roll cages and harnesses on our bike to be safer. 4 wheels would also be more stable and less life threatening. flashing lights and highpitched whistles could warn other people that youre coming too. sh*t, maybe i wont hurt myself if i stay in bed with a pillow wrapped around my head and poop in a plastic bag. but if theres an earthquake the roof might fall, so i better get one of these neck braces anyways.
  • + 1
 this product will hopefully go thru redesigns that will affect performance as well as costs. As with anything new on the market with little competition and know real consensus from mfgs and consumers alike prices will be higher. look, nobody would've thought their boxxers would cost as much as their frames years ago but now nobody posts their too much do they? one thing for sure I bet leatt is happy to see all of us wondering........be safe you pinners!
  • + 3
 I have been thinking for a bit about investing in a Leatt, and I think I just may after reading this...although the bit about broken collar bones doesn't sound too fun!
  • + 2
 probably better than a smushed spinal cord... thats just me tho. haha
  • + 0
 well it's like saying that you should not wear goggles in DH because some ppl got pieces of lens into the eye after a crash... well would you like to get mud splash into your eyes going 50kph between trees just before the corner?
  • + 1
 I broke my collar bone 2 weeks ago while wearing a neck brace and i honestly dont believe it was the leatt.
  • + 3
 even better example is the group of idiots saying that safety belts in the car are dangerous because in case of fire you might get burned alive inside...
  • + 1
 ^ahha same with the ones saying convertibles are safer for instance if you drive into a river.
  • + 1
 I think its cool that they are handing these out to the pros. Like mentioned earlier, if the pros wear them then then the kids will get stoked on them too. As for the price, I know they are expensive but its not worth justifying. These can help prevent a life altering injury.
  • + 2
 The evs is also a great affordable option. It ofers pretty much the same level of protection as does the leat brace, however, weight and compatibility is a slight issue. They run at 175$ U.S
  • + 1
 Thanks for the great review of this product. We sell a lot of these to motocross racers at www.cyclezoneinc.com. There are a few new neck braces out there now like the Leatt Adventure or the new Mega neck brace that are less expensive than the Leatt Club. Have you talked with anyone who has used the Mega neck brace for mountain biking? I'd be interested to read your review of that brace. We've been hearing good things about it so far.

We just recently have begun to see an increase of BMX and Mountain Bike racers who are starting to wear the neck braces as well.
I agree that the prices can prevent some people from buying a neck brace but eventually I think people will see it as necessary as a helmet, boots and body armour.
  • + 1
 I just had a crash that almost resulted in not one but TWO compression fractures in the spine (one in the lower somewhere and one on my C6 :O ), and a majour concussion...without a doubt am I putting my next couple of paychecks towards one of these....
  • + 1
 the first time i wore mine at motox i broke my colar bone and arm, but was told it could of been alot worse, in holland steve ramon broke his c6 whilst wearing one i belive? now you can either say they're useless and don't work or how much worse would it of been without one? personaly i think they save alot of people.
  • + 1
 shouting? [ capital letters last time i looked - to emphasize a point - same as you for the word LOT in your comment] swearing ? [hmmm i do believe the word bull is the same one you just used] i don't know what planet you are on or what level you ride at, but gnarly crashes are NOT 'rare' and to say a liatt is not needed, AGAIN, ask Tara Lianns! some of the riders i know and try to learn from are semi-pro, pro, and, work hard enough to buy a liatt without the right wing morality that seems to be your main reason for not getting one - but, i respect your beliefs and right to act - or not - on them, even if i don't agree with you...as for the 30% of the Whistler riders wearing braces being 'bull', i can only tell you what i see when i go [about once a month for 2 or 3 days ] i'm just saying: 20% 30% whatever, it's not uncommon now to see someone ripping down Garbonzo wearing a neck brace ] but the the real point is, there is a significant and noticeable number of riders everywhere who feel as i do, so enjoy yourself riding with or without a brace for whatever reason, and, try to get over your need to be 100 % right - it is about choices on issues as strong as this. by the way, if i 'acted my age' i probably would not be riding - my profile says 46 but i will turn 67 in july, and part of 'acting your age' is acting the way you feel, and i feel...46! So,if you make it as far as i have riding when you are that age, you just might understand what a blessing it is to have a strong healthy and accident injury free bod and do whatever it takes to stay that way, maybe including a neck brace :-) - meantime, whatever, it's all good, ride safe and enjoy...moving on.
  • + 1
 ps. redrook, i want you to know in spite of our disagreeing i believe you are probably a very good ripper [ living in whistler - lucky you! ] and i'm certain i could learn from you - and, i understand your feelings about the rip off prices of so much of the gear out there [ i'll gag if i see one more rip off 'Troy Lee Designs' ] but being a good rider can carry its own consequences, and yet, lessen the 'odds' of a neck brace need - i just choose not to go with those odds - i consider myself [ after a few years of serious progression ] a 'good beginner' but, an 'expert' at caution :-) wish you well in spite of our differences.
  • + 1
 I know theres braces like the Leatt but theyre for fu;ll face helmets.. but what if youre riding with an ordinary lid, and you want to have some kind of neck protection? whenever I take a tumble, old car crash injuries send my neck and shoulder into spasms and I get whiplash type knots. Very restrictive a few days later. Any suggestions?
  • + 1
 I don't think you can get open face helmet neck braces. even full face ones are still in fairly early developement
  • + 1
 Here's a website written by Dr JP Driver-Jowitt who has a long list of very impressive qualification. A must read for EVERYONE who rides or has someone they love who rides orthopaediciq.org/2012/04/23/why-the-leatt-brace-is-dangerous Knowledge is power. I only wish I would of come across this article before my very talented 17 year old son jumped on his bike for the last time on that beautiful carefree Sunday afternoon in June of 2012.
  • + 1
 i ride a leatt brace club since last season and coming from big crashes where i landed on my neck before i bougth the leatt brace was realy dangerous,im lucky i didn't got parralized and landed into a wheelchair.I feel now much saver wearing the leatt brace.They are expensive but how much is your'e neck worth.
  • + 1
 Why has no one asked my opinion. Oh yeah that's right,because my 17 year old very talented son was wearing one when he fell going approx. 25mph and broke his neck in two places. We said our last good byes 6 day later when he took his last breath without ever regaining conciseness. No one wants my opinion because there is no money to be made off of it. Try this for a read. http:// orthopaediciq.org/2012/04/23/why-the-leatt-brace-is-dangerous This was written by a real surgeon who has spent his professional career in vertebral management and has also worked as a professor at a teaching hospital. It think he know a bit more then all of the above comments put together but believe what you will
  • + 1
 well think of it this way...what the hell is €300 in comparison to the cost of a new wheelchair? which is about €1000, in my opinion it's a no brainer...
everybody should be riding with a leatt brace, and there is no point in talking about other manufacturers, the leatt brace is the only one to get.
  • + 1
 Leatt brace is expensive but you get what you pay for - off course there are 40 bucks products. Leatt brace is damn comfortable and damn safe- if something is not comfy and you dont believe in its performance, you won't wear it! At least not on a regular basis. Perhaps you would take it to competitions but, would you wear this 661 neck brace crap on the trail behind your house?! no you wouldnt.

I bought utica full body armor which should get the shittiest safety gear design award, I dont ride it cuz its heavy, too warm and everything slides around! Then i bought just the dainese evo turtle with vented back - its a masterpiece - its light, i dont get hot in it at all, just like a second skin, i take it even for enduro trips when its under 20 celsius.

Every safety gear you buy must be so comfy and so reliable in belief that you dont wear it just because of fear of consequences - you wear it because you like it!
  • + 2
 People pay insurance for life, house, car which is super expensive but what about your riding insurance?

TLD lid or equal: 250$
dainese body armor or equal: 350$
dainese armor under pants: 100$
661 lite knee pads or equal: 60$
Leatt brace: 450$

1200$ - is that a high price for insurance for around 5 years?
  • + 3
 Insurance is maybe not the right word here.
You pay for insurance for your house so in case it burns down you get some money to buy a new house.
Buying protection gear is like putting a sprinkler system in your house, better fire alarms, anti flame drywall, better electric wiring, etc. You don't want it to burn down in the first place.
If I "burn down" and become a paraplegic no amount of money is going to buy me a new neck.
Insurance is something that helps you deal with a bad situation.
In my view, prevention is a much better way to go.
I agree with you...
$1200 is a small price to pay for prevention.
  • + 1
 Nice read, and fairly informative. In the comments, people mention neck braces by other brands, but only two brands were mentioned in the article - why? If there is something sub par about the others, the article should state such, otherwise is reads sort of like an advertisement for Leatt/TLD.

But - it is a great idea. should be compulsory at races. The price puts me off for sure. I wonder how much R&D goes in to pressure suits? Prices for them are reasonable...
  • + 1
 TLD does not manufacture braces, they pay Leatt to put TLD stickers on. BTW I checked other braces on the market and... sorry you might as well take an inflated life ring with duck head from some 8year old kid... Leatt is the tip top quality and if you put it into 0-10 scale as 10, others barely make it to 2.
  • + 2
 Just a reminder guys, plenty of you quoting £300 for a brace.
The Adventure is £200 (yes still a lot of money) and has all the bells and whistles and safety wise is as good as the top end models.
  • + 1
 the sport we all participate in is inherintly dangerous by default so therefore it makes perfect sense to me to wear the appropriate safety gear no matter cost , looks or rideability . all of us think nothing on purchasing a several thousand pound 26inch wheeld flying machine but get all snotty and poor when £300 is mentioned for something which will save your life . i have the opinion that maybe dianese , fox or raceface should offer a full package of dh/freeride safety gear at a sweet discount ..therefore pre race season you can purchase helmet,brace,top and bottom protetion for good savings . ride hard , ride safe amigos
  • + 1
 i recently had a bad spill which caused me to land on my head while wearing my neck brace(ADV). i broke my clavicle and noticed the carbon fiber support on the back had cracked at the top of the joint to the brace. my question is where can i buy a replacement carbon fiber support?
  • + 1
 hmm took at look at the evs and think im going to ask the father for a loan as ive wanted one for a while just this has put it back in my radar but im skint hopefully hell see the saftey side of it as he never bought anything for my biking before though.
  • + 1
 this should be great for mountain biking or at low speeds...

but at super high speeds like 60-70 over whoops (desert racing) it can actually just transfer all the pressure from your neck to the thoracic region of your back and break it. This happened to one pro desert racer when he was practicing the Barstow to Vegas race...

just thought i'd throw that out there
  • + 1
 well if you are goin 60 on a mtb you might have to worry about that. are you saying that he didn't crash, it just broke his back?

also, are the mountain bike braces the same as the ones for moto? i kinda figured they would be a little different, maybe lighter too (like the helmets).
  • + 1
 i meant going 60 on a dirt bike and , yes, he did crash.

and i don't think there's any difference (yet) between the ones for moto and mtb... there prolly will be sometime in the near future tho...
  • + 1
 No there isnt...and i doubt there ever will be...the thing about a neck brace is that the amount of force or degree hit it takes to damage your neck is constant and doesnt vary with sports...so there is no need for a redesign
  • + 1
 to the people complaining that the pros get them for free,this is only true of a select few riders.the majority of riders on the world cup circuit pay for their neck braces themselves.they reailze the dangers of riding without them and so should everyone else.u shouldnt even be riding downhill without one.
  • + 1
 The way that I see it is as follows - the Leatt may be expensive, but still a sh*t load cheaper than a good wheelchair and a nanny to change your pants when you piss yourself!!
  • + 1
 i have bin lookin at the leatt braces and i live in canada and they dont ship to hear so is there anywhere i could get one here in canada, if so please message me back on my profile cause i really want one.
  • + 1
 I just got my leatt it cost $450nzd best thing I ever got I. Love how it looks mean and saves ur life. I tell everyone I ride with just buy it its better 2 have it and not need it or need it and dont have it just buy one!!
  • + 1
 i got my neck brace from si and fell the next day and it saved my neck i would probably been paralyse if i hadnt been wearing it just luckily ive only hurt my shoulders BUY ONE !!!
  • + 0
 "PRICE !? WHO GIVES A S**T " Well, most people. Its far too much to charge for something you may never need, unlike a helmet, which you almost certainly will at somepoint. Its utter moral bankrupcy to charge that for a piece of safety equipment if it's that important. Jcinkits if you're 46 you should know right from wrong.
  • + 0
 redrook, good to know someone out there is doing a concensus; most people? well i'll be sure to tell this to [about] 15 riders i know who ride for Team Dunbar and 30% [and growing] of the riders i see at Whistler - and yes i do know right from wrong and it is morally wrong to risk my life or limb over a price with something i believe has no price - that is: the only body i have in a sport rife with serious injuries! all the bull about not being able to afford it is just that - BULL! How much was your ride? your helmet? your shoes? your body armor, whatever! if you are riding anything used or new thats worth riding you have invested AT LEAST $2000 and up - ANYONE with enough desire can find a way to get the $$$ [ if you want it ] if you don't, knock yer self out...happy trails.
  • + 1
 Well, my helmet, pads, shoes and clothing altogether cost less than a leatt. If you think its acceptable to charge go right ahead. I know a LOT of riders, very few of which use leatts. And 30% of riders at Whitsler do not use them, thats a load of bull.
You don't seem to have read my comment properly. I use all my gear every time I ride, all of it is neccesary. A leatt is not, beacuse if you use it you've just had a gnarly crash, which thankfully rarely happens. Your clearly don't know right from wrong, because charging that is not acceptable. And stop shout and swearing please, act your age,
  • + 1
 I've been wearing one for the last couple of years and it saved my neck (literally) at my last race. Fell 10 feet on to my head and shoulder. Neck is fine. Shoulder is *()&ed.
  • + 1
 I wear a 661 Pressure Suit, this means I'm gonna have to cut my jersey in order to wear my Leatt properly? Isn't there any other way I can wear both without ripping the jersey?
  • + 1
 i wear my GPXclub over my 661 suit and jersey, i havent cut it and dont see any reason to do it, it works fine
  • + 0
 "Amongst the marketing hype and the friendly sales pitch, they care about their balance sheet and profit ratio - not the welfare of me n my friends"
'Raveglia'
it is a buisness, buisnesses are there to make money end of...

if your so worried about how much it costs, the time you spent whining on here you could have probably earnt the money to buy one.

i own one of these infact i bought it off Si himself and i had a bad crash the very next run... landing straight on my head, i cracked the rear plate. it has saved my neck alot of times.

if anything it is less likely to break your collar bone as most collar bone breaks are a direct result of the helmet hitting the clavicle.

this is not 100% going to save your neck if you had a crash beyond the threshold of protection. it also transfers the energy from the cervicle vertebrae further down into the thoracic region of the spine... for this reason i modified my spine board so i can wear this just over the top, it has never slipped or resticted my movement. although when i crash it does the job perfectly.

saying the fact we are all here typing so it would have been a waste of money, is like saying why wear a seat belt i havent had a crash yet. The fact is an accident happens at any time and in any way, whether it be landing on your head or just slidding along the ground getting some grazes, personally id rather wear the brace and when i have a bad crash have my get out of 'jail free card'

the question is can you not afford one.

rant over
  • + 1
 Businesses are there to cater to demand. I ain't demanding at those prices.

If you know of somewhere I can earn £400 in a couple of hours without whoring myself, let me know. Otherwise save the 'probably's.

Great, undebated.

Great, wonderful.

Right on the money, but seatbelts come free when you buy a car.

The answer is 'no'.

Retort done.
  • + 1
 id love one of these!
it would give me so much more confidence on the hill
i mean ever since i got my pressure suit ive been ripping 2-300% better because i know if i fall the protection is there
(false sense of security?)
  • + 1
 "(false sense of security?)" yup
i have a leatt, i took a header this past week.. the device has already paid it self off due to the fact that im not in a wheelchair right now
  • + 1
 Yes, just checked the EVS one (www.evs-sports.com) They are a lot cheaper, offer the same amount of protection (they seem to) they just dont look as top end as the Leatt

Another option for budget racers like me!
  • + 3
 i completely agree^^^^^^.
of they were not expensive i would definitely get one
  • + 1
 What about the simple neck roll as made for around £25 by most moto x companies. Obviously its not as good but it must do a fair amount and certainly a lot more than nothing.
  • + 1
 neck rolls are only designed to stop neck fatigue, with the forces involved in a crash I doubt they would help you in any way.
  • + 1
 Oh i see, thanks for the heads up. I was just wondering because they were in the same place on CRC hehe.
  • + 2
 Oh and for all the people talking about the price- how many of you are riding with a TLD's on your shoulders?!!!!!! hmmmmm did you justify that for the prices??!!!!!!
  • + 1
 I got one, the day after i bought one it saved mylife, I came off so bad that i split the back piece and side! Well worth the money, so comfy to wear, would recommend to any1 Big Grin
  • + 1
 Im glad to hear it because I came off the other day and have now got a metal plate holding my collarbone and shoulder together, jumping the same gap we have all jumped for years! it kinda shook my wife and daughter up and I am considering all elements of security now PS I was wearing full body armour thankfully!, but maybe its time to step up the safety!
  • + 2
 It's not THAT expensive, I'm getting my Adventure brace this week and it costs about the same amount as a decent helmet or safety jacket.
  • + 3
 £178 is hardly expensive for a neckbrace - absolutely no need for the more expensive models than the Adventure
  • + 1
 im geussing your parents will pick up the bill
  • + 1
 I might just have hit a sharp learning curve when I got made redundant, but we're in a ****ing recession. A lot of people dont have the same money to throw around that they did a decade/ a few years/ 6 months ago.
  • + 1
 charleyboy14 - lmao, an 18 year old telling me my Parents fit my biking bills Big Grin

raveglia - I dont need a lesson in economics from you, thank you. £178 isn't a lot no more than a decent helmet.
  • + 1
 Maybe maths, then? It's double what I paid for my full face helmet, and that's perfectly decent.
  • + 1
 reveglia

OK kiddo, im not going to keep replying to all your replies - I actually have a job that pays for these very expensive things so cant waste the time not energy.

Enjoy spending your time in the Dole queue and arguing on websites, very productive pass time that. Try your luck on Monster.co.uk in stead ... or alternatively I hear MCDonalds are hiring

www.mcdonalds.co.uk/career/crew-page/crew-page.shtml
  • + 1
 I'm good thanks mate. I've skipped dole so far and I'm not about to sign on now. Nice to know there are still people out there who'd roll over so soon, though.
  • + 1
 I'm not entitled to Dole, and wont be able to get it even if I wanted to - so own 2 feet here sonny
  • + 0
 I would wear one of these if I could afford one, I believe that to enjoy the sport you need to be able to get back on your bike after a large fall, or even a small one. Not having to spend the rest of your life in a wheel chair or worse.

Being on a tight budget (Nothing at all really) I cant afford one atm but when I can I will defo be getting one and wearing it every time I put my full facer on!
  • + 0
 All you complaining about how much they cost... Forget the cost, pay it, finance it CRC will do interest free as will a lot of your local bike shops. At Innerleithen last week and one of the lads binned it in the bombhole. Helmet totalled, concusion, luckily no neck injuries but... his helmet broke his collar bone, not something that Leatt mention but I belive with a brace it would have stopped this by restricting the helmet. Result is not life threatening but is still a month of work which would cost me a lot more that 400 quid!! BTW I paid 270 for mine of ebay, for the carbon gpx brand new. T
  • + 3
 "if the cost is a problem, forget the cost."

Are you off your face on drugs or do you just work for these guys?
  • + 0
 "if the cost is a problem, forget the cost."

I didn't say that, maybe you aren't reading right because of the drugs you must be taking if you think your neck isn't worth the cost of a brace, mine is!

And no I don't work for them I work for me, no sick pay, no redundancy payouts just loss of money if I'm injured.

T
  • + 2
 "All you complaining about how much they cost... Forget the cost"

I paraphrased for clarity. correct me if the meaning is any different. Cool, that's great, you're 42, self employed and you sound as though money is okay. Im 21, my employer has wound up and Im flat broke. It's easy to forget the cost if you can pay it.
  • + 1
 I think, having read all your complaints on this forum that you are grumbliung about how much they cost, not what they do. If you were in employment would you think 200 quid for the adventure was too much money to spend?

Concidering I ride a bike which the forks for cost 1175 quid, brakes in excess of 350, a frame that would cost 2250 quid now, body armour and helmet 300quid, I don't think a neck brace is a lot to add on, and as I said 270 of ebay I thought it was a good deal. CRC would do 12 months interest free on the club. (one day I will eventually finish paying for it all Smile )

Once you go down the line of wearing body armour and a helmet I can see no logical arguament for not wearing a neck brace, its just a continuation of the same thing you have already bought into. Now as far as money goes, Leatt havent put up their prices in the last 12 months as far as I can see so I think they are good in comparison to say... Shimano, Yeti, Intense...
  • + 2
 They're not in freaking competition with Shimano, Yeti, Intense. Each of those manufacturers has many product lines, some of which have remained stagnant on price for some years now. A recession is biting and everyone who has held their prices for years is being cost-pushed by inflation into raising their prices or ceasing to trade. This company does not have a massive and varied product line and have not been major industry players for the last ten years. If they put their prices up any further someone would grab one of each model and head out to China to see just how cheaply they're made. My guess is the entry-level model can be manufactured and shipped anywere in bulk for a matter of several dollars. It would surprise me if the figure was more then $10 USD at cost. Besides, manufacturing costs will barely change for higher-end models based on all models needing what's essentially the same manufacturing process (machinery, labour, warehousing, supply chain through to CRC).
  • + 1
 My guess is... so you don't know. Companies don't make anything not to make profit, and people will already being doing what you say and looking at manufacturing cheaper or better braces. patent law will protect them to a degree. There are already other options for braces out there, I have no idea what they cost but cost isn't the issue here the neck brace and the protection it offers is. If you can't afford a Leatt check out the competition, if they are all of a muchness then pick the best one for you, save up or intrest free it, but my opinion is the same... get one. the cost is nothing compared to my neck it's that simple to me. Good luck finding work BTW T
  • + 1
 Cheers couz. If cost is no concern I might take a leaf from an insprired book and try for communist China's Olympic cycling team.
  • + 2
 And remember they know where your family lives Smile
  • + 2
 hehe yeah, right. look out for me on the middle step of far eastern podiums (or else).
  • + 1
 Don't race downhill, but do some light freeride. I think these are a must. Shell out the money, or run the risk of losing the ability to walk or worse...i know what I'll be doing.!
  • + 2
 he had the steel tower of hell, known has a halo. get a leatt, the pain of breakin your neck is not worth it
  • + 1
 have a look on ebay at a company called FRO. Only £100 Big Grin though they no longer make them as leatt kinda sued them. Some shops still have them for sale
  • + 0
 How do the EVS ones compare in terms of crashing and neck prtection...they are only 120 bucks....I had a guy tell me that when guys crash with the Leatt they can often break collarbones where as the EVS one doesnt
  • + 2
 they are all load displacement mechanisms... insteed of the force going to your neck, it typically goes to your collarbone.. but collarbones heal pretty quickly.. necks, not so much.
  • + 3
 I will immediately buy one when it stops costing 500 bucks....
  • + 1
 This is all great, but tyring to buy one in Canada is difficult unless you buy from abroad. Does anyone know a Canadian disstributor?
  • + 1
 I want one so bad so I'm not paralyzed but I think it's a little too expensive for me but mabey my parent's will help me out?.
  • + 0
 Here's one way to look at it, YOU SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON YOUR BIKE THAT YOU ONLY RIDE/RACE FOR A YEAR OR TWO, BUT YOU CAN'T AFFORD A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS WORTH OF PROTECTION THAT WILL LAST YOU A LIFETIME?
  • + 1
 Yes, I would also say that nothing can be expensive when it comes to their own health, but 500 euros (Germany) is just too expensive. For 5 years I would save money!
  • + 3
 I'm real keen on getting one but do ya have to wear armour with one?
  • + 2
 i hav had my one for 2 years now on motox they take a lot of ajusting to get them just right buy there well worth it
no u dont hav too were armor infact it is easyer not to
and there not expensive now reli are they?
iv seen one for 159 quid weres i paid 320 for my one
and if ur not too kein oon the leitt ones then hav a look around the mx shope coz there is alot of alternitives like the alpinestars one
but over all there well worth having and in time will be compulsery Smile
  • + 1
 I love mine and I never really thought about neck braces and My mom pushed for one and now that I have it, I wont ride without it.. its a great investment..
  • + 1
 i dont even feel mine when i wear it and it offers the most protection avaliable, it should be mandatory at all gravity events. i know ill never ride/race without it
  • + 1
 thy are too expensive plus i heard they cause brain damage as they keep your neck straight so your head rattles a lot more .
  • + 0
 "Most people in the super cross series use leatt braces". Not very often you see a professional dirt bike rider of any discipline riding without one. Excluding FMX riders for head movement reasons.
  • + 1
 My leatt will be in this week Smile if anyone in tasmania/Aus wants one give Ulverstone bicycles a call on 03 64251595
  • + 2
 yes i think you should make them compulsary, im off to buy one
  • + 1
 What about Atlas? Theyre cheaper than most Leatts. And most neck braces for that matter...
  • - 1
 not to be short sighted, but these should be worn in all disciplines of free-riding. even bmx and trials riders should have these things. expensive yes, but imagine a lifetime of day to day misery with paralysis.
  • + 2
 hahaha, women, tyler, mikey and jordan. lol.
  • + 1
 Way too expensive, I know it can save your life, and prevent serious injury, but at £200-£450, it's too much.
  • + 3
 crashin values his life at only £200-450.
  • + 0
 You could say that yeah, but to be fair in two years of riding I have never had a crash to justify owning and wearing one of these, and yeah it can happen any time, but I am prepared to take that risk.
  • + 1
 i know what hes saying ite been stopping me but i have just bitten the bullet and im borrowing 200 of my dad and paying him back over the summer when i get another job cant wait for it to arrive now
  • + 1
 If I do epic in my GCSE's I've been told I will get a cash incentive, so chances are I will get one then.
  • + 0
 To Travis17. Go on Ebay, there s soooo many to choose from, free shipping from the States. I Also think these should be compulsory for the WC events too.
  • + 1
 I'm buying one as soon as i can now. I think the Leatt Club is the best buy.
  • + 2
 You have not met my parents...
  • + 1
 i just bought one yesterday, funny- my mom thinks it will make me feel like i can be more crazy??????
  • + 1
 I just picked an ADVenture, only $200 U.S. from an online moto shop. I've been thinking about it for a while so this just put me over the top. I've had two friends with serious T3,4,5 injuries and heard of at least one other rider I knew well was paralyzed with in the last 10 years so I figure the odds are pretty high one of these might come in handy. I hope it is as comfortable as they say it is and that you forget you have it on.
  • + 1
 that verry big utility but this not cheap....
  • + 1
 ive got my neck brace on order Big Grin
  • + 1
 fork out and buy one now or risk not bieng able to ride at all ...
  • + 2
 I'll take my chances, it's extortion.
  • + 1
 true words from lara!
  • + 1
 i mean tara...
  • + 1
 **
  • - 1
 PRICE !? WHO GIVES A S**T ! can you put price on your life...duuuhhh!
  • + 2
 Thats a stupid thing to say, by that logic helmets should cost ten times what a leatt does because its much more likely to save you from something. I know mine has, but I've never encountered any neck injury. They look like a great product, but considering the miniscule likelyhood that you would ever need it and the fact that theres hardly anything to them, that price is absolutely unjustified.
  • + 2
 Don't private message me to argue. So you think it's justified to charge that much for something if its that important? Strange that you can get a good helmet really cheap, but not a neckbrace. You can get just as badly injured by not wearing a helmet, but if they cost that much there would be an outcry.
  • - 1
 rbeach: i messaged you privately because i DO have 'grace' and decided i did not want to embarrass you by disputing 'your' tired and worn argument by calling your comments [ not you ] 'stupid'[ in my opinion ] in public, [though i DO respect your right to dis braces because of the price; but i simply, but strongly disagree with you;] i am happy to get 'ripped off' on the price if it will save me from injury and possibly my life. And, i do in fact wear a brace and, there are many helmets out there that are just as overpriced, so by your logic if there were no cheap [good] helmets you would not wear one ,so, [publicly] i will state my comment again: ask Tara if she believes a brace [ at ANY price ] [likely] would have prevented her neck injury, yet you are willing to risk a similar accident based on [your] odds and pricing ! go for it...and i hope [sincerely] you never have to look back on my 'high and mighty' comments from a wheelchair...saying the odds are miniscule and that you have never had a neck injury makes me wonder if you are using the brain you have[ i am not saying you have no brain, just not using it wisely ]...i have been shredding for about 20 years and i did an endo about 16 months ago without my brace and only recently is my neck free from pain and movement is returning to normal...my main point is : it's a CHOICE and i'll live with mine and you will live? with yours...you requested i do not message you again - no problem - we both have strong opinions, but mine is based on science observation and experience - for my money, i agree to disagree.

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