Middleburn RS8 X-Type Cranks - Reviewed

Apr 29, 2011
by Alasdair MacLennan  



Middleburn RS8 X-Type Cranks


Being from the British Isles you might expect me to rave about how good Middleburn products are, and on one point you'd be right. But it's not because I'm British that I do this, definitely not. Give me something made and designed by a monkey in the swamp of a far flung land and I'll use it and recommend it, but only if it's actually any good. If it's not then it either doesn't get used or we say it isn't any good. In the case of Middleburn I have bought products of theirs in the past with my own money and, in the case of their RS7 cranks, have raced downhill on the same pair since the start of 2006. Five years of solid abuse on the same set of cranks is good in anyone's book. Unfortunately, whilst these cranks are superb, the bottom brackets they use are less so and, in the case of 83mm bottom bracket shells, not the easiest to track down. Two bottom brackets a season has been the average and this is far from ideal when they're not exactly cheap. So it has been with baited breath that we eagerly awaited the release of the new external bottom bracket compatible cranks.


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Middleburn's RS8 X-Type cranks have been greatly anticipated by downhillers and trail riders alike.

Middleburn RS8 X-Type details:

- Hot-forged from 7075 T6 aluminum
- External bottom bracket
- Length options: 175mm, 170mm
- The RS8 is designed to work with bottom bracket with a 24mm ID this is the size of Shimano and many other after market companies like Hope and chris King.
- LIFETIME warranty


With Middleburn, everything except for the crank arms is open to change and custom spec'ing, so we'd best start with the basics. With everything designed in house, Matt at Middleburn has worked hard to maintain the uniqueness of Middleburn whilst stepping up the game significantly over the previous RS7 & RS8, themselves still very good cranks. Based on a very similar design to that of the lightweight RS8, but with greater strength than the RS7, this has clearly been successful. With an increased Q-factor to clear wider chainstays, the bare 7075-T6 crank blanks are forged in Italy before the final machining work is carried out at Middleburn's headquarters in Hampshire, England. With each manufacturer having its own subtly different take on the whole X-Type setup, Middleburn has come up with a modular design that enables one set of components to work across a number of different fitments with just one key part change. This means that a set of cranks can easily be assembled to suit your specific needs with the minimum of delay simply by pulling together the individual parts required. So how does it all link together? Well, at the heart of it all is the aluminum axle we discuss below.

Featuring a taper spline fit on both sides, the non-drive side is held in place by a bolt and bonded in place using 603 Loc-tite bearing retainer. In short, it isn't going anywhere once it's torqued up and set using the hefty bolt that holds it all together. And that leaves the drive side to also fit onto the same taper, this time using a self extracting bolt to aid removal. In use it all fits together smoothly with just the thinnest smear of anti-seize on the axle to make removal in the future just as pain free as the assembly.


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The RS8 cranks use a large aluminum axle that can fit a number of different bottom brackets.


Rather than utilize press fit spiders, the beauty of Middleburn has always been the modular system with which you can tailor the crank arms to suit your specific needs by changing the spider, either at the time of purchase or at a later date should you want to try something different. It also means that if you damage the spider it is a simple and quick job to change by simply unscrewing the lock ring with a Truvativ/XTR BB tool and swapping it out. Far cheaper than having to replace the whole crank assembly as a result of a wayward hit on a rock. With our downhill bike yet to be built up we elected for a Two-by set up for our all-mountain rig to replace an aging pair of M952 XTR cranks that were already being run with a similar arrangement of cogs. Whilst we could have gone for a standard 4 arm arrangement and just missed off the inner ring we instead decided to go the whole hog and fit the fantastic Middleburn Duo arrangement which you see here. Although this is clearly aimed at those willing to climb too, gravity merchants fear not for we will also be arranging for a pair of these to be fitted to our newly arrived Intense M9 as well. The arrival of 83mm compatible axles should coincide perfectly with the new rig too so as soon as that arrives we will be out punishing these cranks to see what they're capable of in downhill terms. Based on our experiences with the older RS7s we have no doubt that they will stand up to all the abuse we can give them and still come back for more.


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A replaceable spider means that not only is the system hugely versatile, but also much easier to deal with if you do happen to cause any irreparable damage to a chain ring tab.


So the Duo - what exactly is it? Well, simply, it's a two ring setup aimed at all mountain and cross country riders. The inner ring attaches directly to the splined crank arm, acting as the spider for the outer ring which is attached by three bolts. It's neat, feels stiff and seems strong. With standard sizes coming in at 27t/40t and 29t/42t, we elected for a slightly oddball 29t/40t which highlights the flexibility that Middleburn are able to offer with their products. The shifting isn't quite as good as it is on a 26t/39t arrangement (something that Middleburn should soon be offering) but the benefit is that it allows us to even out the chain ring usage and then use a closer ratio 11-28 road cassette at the back.

Middleburn offer a number of different ring types as well, with a couple of finishing options dependent on budget and what you're after. At the top of the tree is the Hardcoat Slickshift which manages to combine smooth shifting with longevity matching that of the very best steel rings. We feel that the ultimate shifting performance is perhaps a couple of fine points down on the very best that Shimano and Race Face have to offer when new, but that it more than makes up for this by working far better when the conditions deteriorate or after the initial newness has worn off the others. In fact, whilst some point out that the Middleburn crank set up is heavier than XTR, it is worth noting that the arms themselves aren't, and that the extra weight comes from those tough, stiff and ultimately long lasting rings. Worth pointing out too that many UK riders replace their stock XTR rings with Middleburns when the time comes, thus negating any weight saving anyway.


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Our test cranks use Middleburn's proprietary three bolt setup, but traditional bolt patterns are available as well.


So what exactly are Hardcoat and Slickshift? Hardcoat is a Teflon impregnated ceramic coating that is oh so slippery if you're using an oil coated chain and is very resistant to wear. The teeth are also tough, surviving rock strikes well and generally taking abuse in their stride based on our experience when we've run these rings extensively. Slickshift is slightly simpler and refers to the chain rings being ramped and pinned for smooth shifting, obviously de rigour nowadays, but this wasn't always so and the name has stuck. As well as the Duo, there are the normal triple, single speed and downhill spiders available which means you can pick a style specifically for your needs.


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The chain moved over the rings quite well, if slightly slower than the industry leading Shimano standard.


Utilising a standard fit external bottom bracket assembly, you have the choice of many because this crank set doesn't actually come with one. We chose to fit it using a cheap and cheerful Shimano Deore item we had in the toolbox, but if you want something a little longer lasting or with a bit more bling then there are plenty of options out there. With these cranks, the usual 2mm axle spacers are eschewed in favour of a threaded collar on the non drive side to both take up the slack and preload the bearings correctly. This is necessary as the drive side crank arm tightens up onto a fixed position on the splined axle and thus takes no part in the preloading, other than to give the collar something to push against. In reality it's very similar to the system used by Shimano on the XTR, but the collar on these Middleburns doesn't need any specific tools to tighten thanks to its design. Instead it can all be done by hand before nipping up the small pinch bolt to keep it all in place.


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A threaded preload collar takes up any slack and preloads the bearings.



Some reviews have cited a lack of stiffness in the arrangement, but it is simply not something that came up as an issue for us during testing. Even the RS7 cranks we have fitted to a V10 which has spent plenty of time racing doesn't make us think that the cranks are too flexible - far from it. Whilst it depends on the type of rider you are these things are all subjective and there is a limit at which it ceases to be an issue or even noticeable. Saying that one stiff crank is slightly less stiff than another stiff crank is a moot point; they're both stiff enough to prevent a 'blind tester' actually telling them apart. There is also, in the opinion of this tester, the potential for a part to be too stiff as the force that would otherwise have been absorbed at one point is simply passed along the chain to the next weakest point. As with all things in life the answer is not clear cut black and white, but if you were to ask if there's noticeable flex in the product when you're using it then the answer would be no. Well, not unless you're either Jabba the Hut (in which case we aren't so can't comment) or you start comparing it either to Saint or Diablous, both of which are significantly heavier, significantly stronger than most riders need and have the downside of transmitting a lot more sharp un-damped shocks to the rider. It is also an unfair comparison given that these are trail/AM cranks that just so happen to be perfectly strong enough for more than the average downhillers cranking needs.

So what do we think? Being a fan of the older RS7 cranks, we had high hopes for these and we haven't been disappointed during the time we've so far had them on a bike. The shifting has been smooth and remained consistent regardless of the slop, mud, grit and general nastiness we've ridden them in and, once fitted, we simply haven't had to touch them. Fit and forget in the best possible way. In fact, the only thing we can find an issue with is that, as with all color anodized cranks, the black anodizing on these is wearing through on one crank from heel rub, but given that it was our choice to go with black it's no big deal. Bare silver arms are also available and, as these resist noticeable wear significantly better, would be our choice in the future. We're looking forward to the option of an 83mm axle being available so we can get them fitted on the downhill bike too, but in the mean time we'll keep running them as we are on the trail bike.


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It would be nice to see a Middleburn bottom bracket included, but this would significantly push the price up and in this case gives riders the option of the full spectrum of those already on the market, from the basic we have fitted right through to those top of the line ceramic offerings. A lifetime warranty on the arms, a multitude of custom options for rings, sizes and spiders, downhill tough at a cross-country weight, at a price that isn't over the top, these are definitely high on our list of favorite cranks right now. Recommended if you're after something that is tough and durable whilst at the same time a little different to what some of the bigger manufacturers have to offer.



Prices with Harcoat and Slickshift rings as appropriate (not including BB):

• Uno XC £240 - 32/34/36t available.
• Duo XC £279 - as tested, 27/39t and 29/42t combinations are stock.
• Triple XC £317 - available in both 4-arm and 5-arm compact sizes.
• DH Single £213 - no chainring.

bigquotesThese cranks are definitely worth serious consideration. They're slick, look fantastic and come with a lifetime warranty. That they also work so well almost seems to be a bonus. Highly recommended. - Alasdair

Check out the Middleburn website to learn more.

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65 Comments
  • 55 23
 1. The crank arm looks like a turd

2. Great, another proprietary "standard". Wonderful.

3. In typical Pinkbike fashion the 'review' sounds like a thinly veiled advertisement. I found a single "negative" point in the whole post (the lack of BB) and even that was spun in such a way that it could be taken to be a good thing, because it keeps the price of the cranks down!
  • 25 4
 Maybe it was designed for the Ellsworth.
  • 46 5
 sorry, but those things look like their from 1991. I guess it has some cool technology, but i would rather drop 250 bucks on a pair of saints or descendants.
  • 10 0
 While I haven't tried these new RS8s the olds ones were very good. My only niggle was the old-fashioned BB which now has been changed to 'the standard'.

I's a great piece of kit. Why hate?
  • 11 3
 it tries to be innovative but it still looks old fashioned. just my 2 cents
  • 13 2
 Erm, JokerMachine; what standard are you on about? If you mean in terms of the axle size they've picked practically the easiest to find standard they could have, so as to fit shimano external BB's. This also means that they fit a whole load of after-market BB's - hope, superstar, chris king etc.

I do kinda agree on the thinly veiled advertisement, but when have you ever read a review on pinkbike that didn't read a little like that? Middleburn have a great reputation for building some of the most durable cranks you can buy. The biggest problem is the lack of 83mm BB, I happened to be talking to one of their engineers at my local DH track over this winter, and he was saying that they weren't sure whether the alloy axle would be durable enough for downhill so they were looking into other materials for it, such as titanium.

The main problem with middleburn is that it'll be years before they're sure that the 83mm axle will be good enough to sell; but that means that when they do, you can be pretty sure it'll stand up to whatever you throw at it.
  • 4 2
 its not old fashioned to me it looks ugly....raceface was gone and this is whats coming up? but if its lighter stronger and works best who cares....
  • 2 0
 The new standard he talks about is the 3 bolt spider.
  • 6 9
 K3ano,

I meant the three-prong spider design. Another "standard" that bike shops will have to stock.

As for the advertisement - yes, I realize that most Pinkbike reviews are like that. Hence why I wrote "in typical Pinkbike fashion".

A titanium as opposed to aluminum axle would be interesting - not much heavier and hopefully much more durable.
  • 6 2
 old fashioned/ugly kinda the same thing
  • 10 0
 lol, some people are still riding dh on their middleburn RS7's on square taper bb's from the early 90's because they're so strong, they just have to keep replacing the crappy bb's - Its awesome to see these cranks back with a new bb system and in a refined package - there's nothing trying to be ultra 'new' or 'innovative' as such here, just common sense and quality design, especially proven by lots of uk trials riders who use them
  • 3 0
 Joker, it ain't new at all. Been available since first cranks. No one forces you to use that standard.
And since it's been out for years, theres little to no need for ordinary bikeshop to stock these since most of people will never have middleburn, will never have that three bolt design on it.

Ordered my pair with uno 32t for jumping use 2 weeks ago from CRC. will see when they arrive since it is parcel force i talk about ^^
Worth the price with king BB, will last me next 5 years with no problems im sure.
  • 7 0
 Joker, I see what you mean now, however the the Middleburn design allows you to swap over the spiders, so you can just buy a standard 4 bolt if you don't fancy the 3 bolt design. I don't see how giving customers extra choice can really be a problem.
  • 3 1
 middleburn have been doing the three bolt spider for a few few years now. yes its different but its just their thing, ties you to buying their rings though. . however jokermachine i pretty much 100% agree with your first post. especially the finding a negative thing and trying to turn it into a plus.

i have always found middleburn cranks unbelelievably boring looking, which is a shame considering the cost and quality of middleburns. i like it how the reviewer was trying to say "they arent flexy, but they are and its a good thing, yeah!!,... i think? "
  • 2 4
 not so sure on Titanium being a good crank axle choice. its hardly the stiffest material out there, which i would have thought stiffness should be paramount to power transfer. Also in my humble years as an idiot brekaing things all the time, i have had pretty bad experience with titanium, sevearal Ti-railed saddles snapped, and a set of titanium handlebars. also not keen on it being aluminium either as i managed to total a pair of shimano HONES after 3 weeks, bent the axle on a hard landing had to ride rest of day without pedalling and took forever with a mallet to remove the axle from frame.
  • 4 4
 Forkbrayker - I would trust titanium more than I trust aluminum. Aluminum is stiffer than chromoly steel, and yet this is the first time I've seen an aluminum spindle in a set of cranks. Aluminum has a pretty big problem with fatigue and then sudden failure, while steel doesn't. Titanium fatigues and snaps too, but to a lesser degree than aluminum.

It's probably highly dependent on heat treating and such, but I would trust a titanium spindle 10 times more than an aluminum one.

The reason you remember that you snapped ti-railed saddles is probably because all (or at least the overwhelming majority) regular saddles use chromo rails. If there were saddles with aluminum rails, you'd hear about them snapping far more often than titanium ones.
  • 3 2
 Also, just to add a little more example to the titanium question - there's a Russian company called Infect that makes mostly BMX components. They make a titanium fork, but it weighs in a little more than contemporary chromoly BMX forks. So what's the point of it, if it's made of titanium but is the same weight? It allows the company to overbuild the fork with a lot more material than the same weight of chromoly, which gives it a huge amount of strength.

Companies usually use titanium to make "lightweight" parts, and they keep the tolerances and sizes similar to what they would be with steel, and so they save a good amount of weight... if they were to make it similar in weight, it would end up being much stronger.
  • 5 1
 Aluminium has roughly 1/3 the stiffness of steels like for like...Read some books.
  • 7 5
 Yes, in its raw state if taken completely out of context, then it has 1/3 the stiffness of steel.

I find it funny how you're telling me to read some books on the subject, when you yourself seem to have only read the Wikipedia page for "aluminum".

If we put the term "stiffness" into the context most people use it in, however...

"The stiffness to weight ratio of common materials can be expressed as the ratio of the materials modulus of elasticity (Young's Modulus) divided by its density. If we then scale the resulting stiffness to weight ratio by dividing by the stiffness to weight ratio for steel, we find that most metals (with the exception of beryllium) have almost the same stiffness to weight ratio. Aluminum and titanium are 5% stiffer than steel per unit weight for example."
  • 5 0
 I think they are pretty rad. Somebody stated "why not just buy Saints?" To thant I would say "Whats wrong with more options?" To me they dont look "dated" they look a bit "retro" which is a much nicer way of putting it. Remind me a bit of the old Crank Bros cranks and stuff. If I was bulding an agressive all mountain hardtail, I might consider these for the look, if for no other reason. I already own two sets of Saint cranks and as great as they are, they dont fit the personality of every bike- so whats wrong with options?
  • 5 0
 I really do think you need to go back to your books, no matter what heat treat or alloying you perform to an aluminium alloy you never increase it stiffness much. Increasing the stiffness by changing the geometry is a function of design, not material property's. Every other factor can be improved. Please don't assume that im some wiki warrior, me and my colleagues at work are currently writing a paper on roll cage material selection and fabrication process to increase race car safety and the material property's and the effect of welding HAZ is stuff i deal with every day as an real world engineer. Im not looking to pick an e fight, im just trying to stop all the young pinkbikers picking up on wrong information.
  • 1 2
 An alloy spindle means at best half the strength of an typical XC spindle and as mozz mention 1/3 the stiffness. I'm all for weight reduction but sacrificing that much stiffness to save non-rotating weight at the lowest most central part of the bike is a poor decision. FYI - the spindle is typically where the UCI adds weight to under weight bikes come race day.
  • 3 0
 Oh and dont get me wrong, aluminium is the best material for making cranks, its soft enough to be forged so all the grain structure is aligned, machines beautifully, fast and with little tool wear, is light, and looks aesthetically pleasing which is all important in making an marketing a product. And thoughts cranks are beautifully product. Just look at how fine the machining marks are!!!
  • 3 0
 jokermachine - regarding aluminium spindles, the hone cranks in the xc version had aluminium spindles this was the set i bent. so its been done before, just not very well. aluminium seat rails....yes very bad idea good point well made by you.

i agree with you on the titanium weight issue with typical frames/components always being made lightweight. I have spent years trying to find a hardcore titanium frame builder, but to no avail!. the issue (i thought) with aluminium was that to build a frame that wasnt so light it flexed all the time and introduced fatigue to the frame you had to bulk up the dimensions quite a bit - resulting in a very stiff frame/component. but to build an aluminium frame to the same dimensions and wall thickness of say a typical 853 reynolds tubed frame would be asking for disaster. i'm far from an expert on metallurgy but. i was under the impression aluminium was on a par for stiffness only at a weight for weight level... but seeing as aluminium is far lighter than steel......the amount of aluminium you would need to match steel's weight (for a given tube size for example) hardly puts the 2 into the same stiffness category
  • 10 1
 @jokermachine

- There are many cranks that use aluminum spindles. It is nothing new.
- Concerned about looks? I'm more concerned about performance, weight, and the lifetime warranty. Yes, they don't have the look of some of the massive crank sets out there, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
- Concerned about the 3-bolt spider? Then buy RS8's with the standard spider. You can change them out...
- If you read the article you would know that they fit pretty much any BB out there.

They are light, stiff, versatile and come with an impressive warranty... there really isn't much to complain about (although they are not inexpensive). If you looked around you would see that Middleburn does not spend a dime with PB. Just because they get a positive review does not mean anything besides that it is a quality product. If you look at some of the recent reviews, Schwalbe's Rocket Ron, Specialized Stumpy EVO, and the Rapid Racer fender, you'll see that there are plenty of negative points taken into consideration.
  • 2 1
 Titanium is NOT a good spindle choice! Anyone who knows how strong/stiff Profile BMX cranks are... Well, acording to profile, their SOLID titanium spindle is only acceptable for riders upto 125 lbs!
  • 1 1
 I am not 100% sure on this so dont quote me on it, but the profile cranks only use a 19mm diameter spindle and the axle length would be much shorter than that of MTB spindles. With the MTB spindles I would presume that the larger diameter and length would increase strength. However, we dont know what they will be made out of, but I sure as hell trust Middleburn to produce something that will outlast almost all other's out there. If they are willing to put a lifetime warranty on it, then the majority of us will never ride them to destruction. And those that do or are fast enough to will just get a new set.
  • 2 2
 I don't think a longer spindle won't make a difference in strength, in the context of bottom brackets and cranks... diameter is what matters IMHO.
  • 5 0
 Reading like an advertisement? Nope, I just like their cranks and always have, right back to the old RS2. I approached them for a pair of the RS8 X-Type cranks as I had been waiting a long time for them to be available and didn't want to spend money on yet another ISIS bb for my five season old RS7's. If I sound positive about them, it's because I rate them very highly. I'm not going to go out of my way to run products for review that I don't like, are fragile or just plain won't work as I expect them to, it's just not worth the hassle for me when I'm racing or out training.

The tri-arm spider may be a disadvantage to some when it comes to compatibility but given that I many riders I ride with use Middleburn rings across a wide spectrum of cranks it's a moot point - and if it is an issue, then buy the standard four arm cranks. It's no biggie.

Stiffness isn't an issue - to some riders who break everything they touch you'll want something like Saint/Diablous etc that is massively overbuilt and overly heavy for the average rider. Standard middleburn RS7's are perfectly strong enough for all levels of DH racing with a normal rider onboard. These aren't as stiff as some cranks, ie Saint/Diablous, but at no point when riding are you left thinking that they're flexy, far from it.

As for the aluminium spindle, the item on these cranks is plenty tough - you can see from the end of the axle in the picture above that this is a thick and tough item compared to the weight-weenie option on some ultralight cranks.
  • 1 0
 um it may work well like everyone is saying ... but its fugly as hell !
  • 2 0
 DexterH "length would increase strength"

The longer an item(of any material) is, the easier it is to bend/break. ie: you can't bend/break a 1" length of 1/4" hardwood dowel with your hands, but yet you can bend/break a 5' length of 1/2" steel rod with your hands(granted one end is anchored)...

The longer it is, the easier to bend/break, simply because added length equals added leverage.

The primarry benefit of a longer spindle, is wider spacing of bearings, resulting in longer bearing life.
  • 1 0
 As I said before I wasn't sure if I was correct, therefore I also said dont quote me on it.

As your explanation shows above, it is easy to make it look like anything can be bent easily. However, this is out of context with the topic in hand. For the exact reason that when in the BB there are two points upon which the forces are applied and transferred (granted there is still the two forces that will act in a fashion that will want to arc the spindle, but the effect is hugely smaller due to the extra contact point). As I said before, the axle will be a larger diamerter than the profiles you highlighted (which definitely does increase the strength) and whilst the spindle will be longer (which will make it easier to bend on a longer length per same diameter) I am sure that if they decided to make it out of Ti they will have done countless hours of testing to ensure that their product stands up to everything that it is designed for.
  • 1 0
 The longer spindle is counteracted by the wider bearing spacing, hence there is no real "net change" in the actual length of the spindle that protrudes out past the bearings, hence it won't be any easier to break. There will simply be less pressure on the bearings, resulting in a longer bearing life due to less leverage on them, but the actual spindle itself will be unaffected.

AFAIK.
  • 8 0
 ifetime Warraty says alot. Maybe they do look a little old fashioned but they just seem to be carrying a "signature"' look. Something you can recognize from 20-30 yards away. But the hook here is the Warranty. From the mid 90's the word around the MTB community in strong cranks was Middleburn , if you could find them (or afford them) in the States. I love my new Saints but it is widely known that after a few years they start to get some loose play from the drive shaft. I would like to see an EXO design that's light and that can adrerss this issue. Maybe this is it. But if they dont, then you can just get a new pair:-)
  • 6 0
 Middleburn cranks are simply great, my next crankset is definitely going to be from them. I had just short experience with them, after few revolves I couldn't believe how much drag my SLX has on the bearings, yet even with ISIS they were stiff enough. Exchangeable spider is a great feature too. This one here must be ace with ceramic bearings from HOPE. WANT WANT WANT!
  • 4 0
 Wow, wordy review but very informative. I've always heard good things about Middleburn but have yet to give them a go. I really wanted some of their square taper cranks from back in the day!
  • 3 0
 Middleburns rock. Been on the rs7 for 4 years now (235 lbs) and love em. I have had good luck with the bbs i use but would up to this if they make it fit 83mm bb.

-yes you can go from a 3 arm to 4 arm spider so you can use any ring you choose

-they are light and strong ive smashed my original set into rocks and they stayed the course with no damage aside of looking like a sledhammer kicked their @$$
  • 5 3
 are these considered "new"?

we were selling these Middleburn cranks in my old shop last Autumn (2010)...

totally overpriced considering they did not come with either bottom bracket or chain rings, and UK RRP selling at £200!

the 3-piece crankset design is somewhat sketchy, not hard to actually strip out the aluminium mounting bolt and lockring as several of my customers found out, and did not feel anywhere as solid under power as Shimano SLX, XT or Saint

Middleburn made great cranks "back in the day" but admitted they had problems manufacturing an external bearing 2-piece crankset, and from the product they are now selling, they could not solve this problem...and resorted to a 3-piece crankset where 1 arm is temporarily bolted in place?

not impressed, I'll keep my Shimano HT2 cranks, which have never let me down...in terms of easy fitment, strength-to-weight ratio, durability and sheer value for money, not to mention awesome shifting performance

we also had nothing but ongoing trouble with gear shifting, using Middleburn ramped shifting chainrings for our customers, and resorted to switching these customers to non-shifting rings (resulting in slow upshifts) to solve chainsuck and jamming problems - middleburn shifting rings are years behind shimano and Sram in terms of triple or dual shifting rings!

I am all for supporting UK companies that make "performance parts" (like Hope or Renthal) and would give Middleburn kudos for their UK made DH non-shifting chainrings, but not the cranks or shifting rings
  • 4 3
 i would trust this story over the title review!!!. i was going to mention the longetivity of the replaceable spider, as i had a set of "charge" steel tubular cranks which had this, i stripped them twice, first one was after 2 mins of DH, got them warrantied and second set were stripped after 20mins of DH. granted "charge" is not in the same league as "middleburn" but it certainly made me think twice about ever having a replaceable spider that uses a lockring to hold it in place
  • 3 0
 Who on earth said these could be used in DH? People give products like these tongue lashing, yet trails are full of weenies fitting xtr cranks and dura ace rear mechs to DH bikes, and that's fine - "we're looking for the edge you know" - fkn wankers. Give Middleburn a break. i'm more than sure that most of buyers are single ring XC/trail mashers who want a reliable solid crank that will be fine after hundreds of rock hits, and who van't care less how do these look, or whether they are lighter and stiffer than sramano XT.0 Xx edition with carbon spider.

This is a work horse product for Xc/trail riding and most possibly AM, not a star for design beauty contest or bike performance summit for engineers and nerds
  • 1 2
 LOL, ^^^ according to your appraisal, its not light, they dont look good, and wouldn't fair well in a summit of engineers and nerds discussing its actual performance. sounds like the perfect crank to me, all thats missing is whether its got the right size pedal threads or not.

PinkBike as a whole caters to the Dher not the trailking. however i would assume that 75% of its users do alot of trail work on AM bikes, so to be fair, i think that these cranks should be reviewed. middleburn have a huge legacy of reliable and strong cranks, but part of me reckons that they dont have the resources to change the actual design of the arm, but still needed to change something to get back into the market. personally i reckon they have got it wrong and should have invested in making it 2 piece and keeping a steel axle. Theres too many ifs and buts with this crank which for the cost is not acceptable. what would be pretty cool is if they joined up with the other bespoke manufacturer of pretty things (with more or less the same warranty ethics and build ethics) and supplied a top of the range CK bottombracket with this crank
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 I totaly get your point with "Theres too many ifs and buts with this crank which for the cost is not acceptable. what would be pretty cool is if they joined up with the other bespoke manufacturer of pretty things (with more or less the same warranty ethics and build ethics) and supplied a top of the range CK bottombracket with this crank".

I'll be more than honest with you: the ultimate reason I will choose these over Shimano is a "doing a better thing to the world" value and supporting smaller ones rather than big companies. These are surely not that advanced product as some from other companies. Honestly - when taking into account rationality only, I would say there is nothing better than Shimano cranks, even if there is a slight performance advantage -> Shimano kills it with lower price. To me the average of pros and cons makes Shimano SLX, XT, XTR and Saint cranksets the Kings of Cranks in every category. Everytime, RF, SRAM , FSA or whoever makes something slightly lighter or stiffer, perhaps more reliable, it is way more expensive, and the law of diminishing returns points back at Japs. And if I can choose a company doing stuff in Far East VS company doing stuff in Far East or America - well I choose the better ones.

SLX particularly is for me the best crankset of all times and nothing comes close - that's why it's on my bike. But when it dies, Middleburn or somethign similar - will replace it as i believe supporting a company from as close to where you live, manufacturing at their site: is just a good or at least better thing to do.

CK?! - ah U Scottish fellow, must be really hating Brits to choose it over cheaper and probably as good or better HOPE ceramics Big Grin
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 well !!, Waki, i would like to be the first to apologise for being a dickhead to you in past threads. everything in that post sings true to me and what i believe. you could have ripped into me and you didnt, for that alone i thank you. regarding being scottish and hating british, its not strictly true....yes the royal wedding made me want to throw up, but i have a hope ceramic bottombracket which has laste 3 yrs of hard use and still going strong, i have hope brakes that are 6 years old and never serviced and are as good as the day they were bought (other than new levers) and my hubs are hope too (although i think replacing the bearings on them every year is not that great) to be honest i totally forgot about Hope, when I mentioned that middleburn could have teamed up with someone of high quality to sell their cranks with. it makes perfect sense to have to small british companies doing that (we tend to forget Hope is a small company here as nearly every bike has some form of hope component on it) and as for the SLX cranks you are 100% right, I have a pair on my xc bike and they are still looking like new after 3 years of hard use.

take it easy and sorry again, for being a dick to you in past threads
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 C'm on I realize I'm a dick quite often and I'm taking it on board Wink Neither Hope nor Middleburn are my "local" companies but ufortunately they ones of very few who are located and manufacture in Europe, doing high quality stuff. They are closer to me than any other. Polish NS bikes and Dartmoor do quality stuff too, but in Asia, so you only support the company owners and several employees. I'm not a communist but I like the working class thing Wink I wish my kids could have an option to work in some manufacturing, not just in sales or knowledge based work, which just gets more and more filled with shit. Germans have incredible enginnering design and manufacturing capacity, but unfortunately they channel it way too much into rocket science with simpliest products. French and Italians do great stuff without Nasa approach. Pure down to earth engineering, functional and reliable like BOS, Formula. In Poland Antidote bikes with FoRide make a big kick. Wheels start turning again for us "fkn Euros". I believe if we support these European companies and they resist temptation to earn more and move to Far East we will just have more of such good stuff!
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 yeah when the post says "looking fantastic" and the cranks are so obviously built for only for utility and are indeed looking very 1991 its hard to take the review objectively. and I agree with BigRedBike above: The Hive/ e thirteen cranks are ruling it... strong,light,lovely, and pretty cheap actually
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 Hopefully you can still get some square taper bad boys. Sure its heavy etc. but s.t. is what made Middleburn the legend it is, not to mention the bb's are around £12 and last for around 12 years.
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 Mud destroys any cheap square/isis BB in atleast one season.
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 Browner, there's a reason square taper bbs are so cheap... they dont last at all. not to mention it actually doesn't take much to round the taper.
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 I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't had experience in the matter. I have been riding 9 years and have only ever owned 2 bb's in that time - both square taper, neither developed play thus far. And I live in Scotland, and I ride in mud - DH, XC whatever. Just my 2 cents
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 youre REALLY not the only one to ever have run square taper cranks. i have had several bikes with them, and never liked them WHATSOEVER. if youve ever tried anything decent with recent technology in them you can feel the difference when you ride. square tapers are shocking in any condition so you must never ride your bike, or be a ridiculously light rider to not have had problems. not no mention working in a shop and still handling bikes with square tapers as well, what a nightmare.
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 what bike are you running square taper on as well? you're running atlas cranks on your bike in your albums which is far from square taper.
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 That Solid was once a Kona blast, then a BaseBikes, then a Giant AC, before its latest incarnation - the bb has stayed the same despite the cranks from the blast bending in a crash 4 years ago. I don't own Raceface Atlas cranks. I have £20 FSA rpm El Toro's. My Bro has used isis + external bb's in the same period and has been through countless sets while those systems went through teething problems. He has now resorted to ceramic hope external bb's on his Atlas AMs. I own an external on my xc-race bike so I know what stiffness that can bring but I can hear it creaking already. On another note - top expedition and touring bikes tend to err on the side of caution while out in the bush and go with square taper. Certainly for tours of 1000+miles I have never been let down by square taper. Just do em' up tight and forget about them.
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 Each to his own mate but sounds like you've got lucky. Square tapers are old hat, and far from ideal from extreme use (though I'm sure theyre fine for touring), and we've had plenty of bikes in with square taper bb's only to have them replaced again in a couple of months. Isis are rubbish as well to be honest. Had to replace mine on my ns before I went shimno several times and that thing rarely got used.
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 my 2 cents worth seeing as i have had about 50 BBs in 17 years.

14stone hard riding rider on hardtails

square taper BB - typically lasted me 2 years but always ended up buying new cranks before new BB as the squaretaper knackered inside the crank and thats where most of my creaking came from. I also have once snapped an axle on a XT squaretaper.

octalink - 1 year, again terrible problem with creaking cranks

isis - 1 month was my worst, 5 months was my best, went through 8 in one year (all raceface) all were warrantied. no creaking with cranks though :-)

X-type - totally depends on make/quailty shimano typically 15months
raceface - typically 8months
FSA - 2 weeks lol
superstar - 1 year
Hope ceramic - 3years
and of course no creaking cranks from x type .

whilst the square taper lasted me the longest in terms of cost/value i noticed a huge difference going from square taper to octalink in terms of stiffness. and again in stiffnes from isis to X-type.
in my humble opinion x-type is by far and away the best, most cost effective and easiest to maintain setup around. although i reckon the HIVE setup looks the bomb
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 @ forkbrayker

As far as BB lasting, I've been pretty much the opposite. Any out board BB's I've ever used have lasted less time under me than the older ISIS units, but your experience is certainly the norm. I haven't had any better luck with the new Press Fit standard either...
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 Make sure that the BB faces are exactly in line. The usual outboard BB destroyer.
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 EEEWWW.. !!! Those are gross! Is this suposed to be a joke? Nobody wants a double ring, specially on this site. Those arms are straight up 1985 status. No thanks middleturd. Maybe when I chop my nutts off and buy a 29er and do laps on the fire roads, na I'll just use my SLX cranks.
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 I see no profit margin. For that price, I could get better. Hey, at least it's lifetime warranty.
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 Anyone know the weight?
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 602g with a 4 bolt 104 bcd spider. No BB, no rings.
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 tapered axle?! i thought that (thankfully) died out with square taper?
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 The splined section of the axle where the crank fits has a taper, as does nearly every other crank axle out there.. it isn't anything like the old square taper BB spindles of back when =)
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 Give a look to the Hive DH cranks E.13 is doing
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 Nope.. PASS.
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 jsut looking at the pix, they look crazy hevy!







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