Norco Will Take 650b to Production - Range 650

Apr 25, 2012 at 9:07
Apr 25, 2012
by Richard Cunningham  
 
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Norco will have at least two models in its range for 2013 with 650b (27.5-inch) wheels. The Range 650 was on display at Sea Otter and would have been ridden by Duncan Riffle had he been able to score his favorite tire in the 650b size. Riffle said the bike corners beautifully. Norco got the tire size on the right bike, as the Range is already a capable all-mountain machine with an appetite for park riding in the 26 inch size. With the larger 650b wheels and big 2.35 or 2.4 inch tires, it should have the rough-ground roll-over of a 29er, but with snappier acceleration and better cornering.

2013 Norco prototype 650b Range
Norco's Range 650 demonstrates that lessons learned from 29ers like offset seat tubes and direct-mount front derailleurs can be put to better use in a mid-sized wheel format. The Range 650 is positioned to use 650b wheels where they can do the most good - deliver maximum suspension travel and improved roll-over to the sport's most aggressive trail riders.

Product manager Dustan Sept said that the Range 650 will be ready for production for 2013, but there is no hard release date, as testing is still underway to fine-tune its geometry. On that note, Dustan was adamant that there is a correct geometry for each wheel diameter and that there is no way one can simply switch to bigger or smaller wheels and make a side-by-side comparison. The range 650 frame uses a 142/12mm through-axle in the rear, with post-mount brakes and it will have a dropper seatpost as standard equipment. ISCG 05 chainguide tabs are standard fare, athough the Range 650 will be shipped with a two-by-ten drivetrain with a bash guard. The pre-production Range 650 has 160 millimeters of wheel travel front and rear thanks to a reduced-travel RockShox Totem fork. The reduction was necessary to bring the bike to its correct bottom bracket height. Dedicated 650b forks, however, will be appearing from every major suspension maker for 2013 and nearly all wheel and tire makers are on board.

Range 650 details
(clockwise) Norco reduced the travel of a 26-inch RockShox Totem fork to get the ride height correct and to balance the Range 650's wheel travel. Norco adapted the same FSR four-bar linkage to maintain smooth suspension action while braking and pedaling. A look down the Schwalbe 2.35 inch tire shows adequate tire clearance, the offset seat tube and direct-mount front derailleur.

Will Norco's 650b Range gain traction among the sport's most capable riders? Only time will tell, but the loudest buzz in the Sea Otter pits was talk about the mid-sized wheel and how nearly everyone was bringing one out for 2013. We've only had good things to say about the 26er Range, so if it is true that the Range 650 is noticeably better, Norco will have one heck of an AM machine next season. Can't wait to throw a leg over one. - RC
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149 Comments

  • + 66
 NORCO LOOKING BAD ASS, WITH THEIR IDEAS!!! WIN!!!
  • - 210
flag Maksimbike (Apr 25, 2012 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 Norco will never be bad ass.
  • + 136
 what a douche bag ^^
  • + 18
 norco's most badass days were the ones of the rampage, the mavik, the sasquatch, and the bigfoot.
  • - 51
flag bikeaddict123 (Apr 25, 2012 at 10:34) (Below Threshold)
 douche bag is probably the most pathetic insult ever
  • + 43
 gets to the point though
  • + 15
 *twat
  • + 10
 just keeping it friendly for the kids. And yeh gets the message across.
  • + 7
 im guessing people cant have opinions on this forum. if buddy thinks norco is shit, let him express it.
  • + 19
 opinion is one thing..wrong facts is another! Norco is bad ass..they (along with Kona) built up the name and made the "northshore riding" to what we know..Norco is the bomb and should get more respect then it does (just like Kona) IN MY OPINION!
  • + 9
 I'd really like to see a more FR-oriented 650b from these guys.
  • - 10
flag bigburd (Apr 25, 2012 at 13:37) (Below Threshold)
 angus do you actually know what a douche bag is? Razz
  • + 8
 Watch out guys! We got a bad ass up there! Big Grin
  • - 29
flag DevonCampbell (Apr 25, 2012 at 13:57) (Below Threshold)
 Norco will never be badass
  • - 8
flag daymo7 (Apr 25, 2012 at 15:26) (Below Threshold)
 @bigburd Well said mate, I was thinking the same thing when I seen it, Think he's just trying to be a Yank,
  • + 7
 I'm not a Norco fan but the new Truax is nice !
  • + 4
 Now I can only wonder, how is the 650b well size going to effect the 26 vs. 29 debate?
  • - 2
 Great more formats......i think i will wait for the 655b wheels. they will roll better.lol
  • - 4
flag FSJHunter (Apr 25, 2012 at 19:55) (Below Threshold)
 I'm thinkin you ride a Huffy! Cuz you sound queer with yer Norco Dis.
  • + 8
 Hey now , remember some of the old school Norcos? Those metal beasts were nuts. Same with Kona. Everyone had either a Kona Stinky or a Norco Shore back in the day.
Norco is a good brand , I don't get why people rip on it.
  • - 2
 What are you guys baseing brand quality on?
  • + 4
 I feel special, so many props on my comment!
  • + 3
 Yeah bro... Tonns of props..
  • + 6
 im sick of this wheel size debate... just ride what you want and shut the fuck up.
  • - 4
flag bigburd (Apr 26, 2012 at 9:21) (Below Threshold)
 @daymo7 , now we are being neg prop bombed by all the americans that don't know what it means either Smile
  • - 1
 I didn't think anyone could answer my question...
  • + 24
 "it should have the rough-ground roll-over of a 29er, but with snappier acceleration and better cornering. "

What's the point of 29" wheels then? For XC tracks with no bends?
  • + 8
 Yes, and endurance races.
  • + 13
 Different bikes for different trails. There is no ONE best wheelsize. Every single one is a compromise. I've been a 650B rider since July 2008, less than a year after Kirk Pacenti started offering tires and turning people onto the 650B wheelsize for mountain bikes. I own two currently. A Haro Beasley (which was a hardtail model designed around the 650B) with Pacenti NeoMoto 2.35s and a Eclipse Hero Carbon FS (which is a conversion from a 26er FS frame) with Pacenti QuasiMoto 2.0s, and both ride great. I only own a single 29er right now (Salsa Dos Niner) with Schwalbe RaRa 2.4 / 2.25, and I have a Salsa Mukluk 2 (which is a fat bike for snow riding) with 26 x 3.8s on it. Everything else mtb related in my collection is 26ers split pretty equally between hardtails and full suspensions with tire widths ranging from 2.1 to 2.4.

For the area that I live in, there is sufficient variety of terrain and trails that there are times when my 29er will do a good job for a ride, but other spots where I'd be better suited with a 26er. But for most of my riding, I find the 650Bs give the best compromise between roll over ability and steering/acceleration for the trails I ride the most. In one particular city owned trail network, there are trails that favour a 29er with wide corners that you can ride, or banked turns that favour the big wheel's stability as you lean the bike over. But within a few kms of riding you might be into stuff that's so tight and twisty that you're over-steering turns or having to cut off the trail line suddenly to avoid trees or rocks because there's just no getting around the increased wheelbase length of the 29er and then you're wishing you'd brought something else.
  • + 4
 Well you know some people's terrain is different. What if you live somewhere with no mountains but lots of rocks? You can have your same comfortable suspension settings but hey you roll faster and bumps seem smaller!

Trying to build one bike that can do every riding discipline to a high standard is impossible. It will never be as good as a purpose built machine. You may ask why I am saying this. Well think of using a 26" mountain bike for every riding discipline.... you will be at a disadvantage when it comes to individual riding types(road, street, trials, 4X, XC, DH). The more we adventure out, find, and perfect these individual disciplines the better understand what works and doesnt(when it comes to standards and bike setup)
  • + 5
 Depends what you mean with doing riding to a high standard in every discipline. As far as racing goes any discussion on allroundness is pointless as everything aims at being as specific as possible, even enduro bikes.

But when it comes to normal riding for fun, it is 99% to the rider, not even a specific trail. They say that a good rider can take any trail and ride it in several different ways, like making a sculpture from clay, just take it and form it any way he wants. The poor rider will complain that oh if he had this DH bike here he would ride down this steep, oh if i had less travel I could uphill that.

Being specific is good at work, but when it's time to play, it's better to loosen up... So buying a bike to suit certain trails? Buy something that seems cool...
  • + 1
 Don't you think when your bike is riding really good you have more fun? I do. Bike setup to me is important for fun, not neccessary, but important for sure.
  • + 2
 Yea I think I perfected my setup to be as allround as possible... to be able to use one bike in every terrain without even changing tyres. Idea of owning 5 different bikes, each with different axles, stanchion diameters, wheel sizes, fkn steerer sizes to suit certain conditions and riding types is a bit redundant to me really, to say the least... and bike rental is pretty cheap.
  • + 2
 I dream at owning 5 different bikes. That would be f*cking awesome. Obviously our wallets and surrounding riding areas determine what we own.
#1. 4x/dirtjump hardtail
#2. XC bike
#3. Road bike
#4. DH bike
#5.freeride/mini dh bike
  • + 1
 It's not about the money, it's about the time and patience to mech with them... I have 3 incl. commuter and it pisses me off how much time it takes to keep'em in a good shape
  • + 1
 One thing I love about my all around bike is I can just adjust the fork and shock pressure, twist the damping adjust a few times and I can ride a whole different terrain comfortably. What I hate is that I always forget to write them down!
  • + 17
 Cant wait for 28.2345
  • + 2
 29" wheels are made of 700C rim which is what road bikes use. Another name for 700C is 28" so essentially 28.2345 already exists! You just have to work out what tire you need to put on a 700C rim to get that diameter.
  • + 3
 A Bontrager XR 29 x 1.8 is actually 28.3" diameter, which is pretty damn close to what he's waiting for.
  • + 1
 the older 27'' size wheels we used to race before the 700c came along were 27'' in diameter...the diameter was a bit bigger than a 700c, so definitly also bigger than a mtb 29''er rim...is 29'' calculated with the tire ???...thanks
  • + 3
 Yes 29ers are calculated with the tire... the name sprang from the inflated diameter of WTB's first "offroad" 700C tire offering, the Nano Raptor 2.1. They were the first major tire maker to produce tires for the then (14 odd years ago) new concept of having larger tires on 700C wheels for mountain bikes. Even that was sorta late to the scene as the first "hybrids" 21-22 years ago were just that... TRUE hybrid bikes. They were depending on your p.o.v. either 700C wheeled mountain bikes or cyclocross/touring road bikes with flat bars built to mountain bike strength levels and with mtb gears, brakes and larger tires. Most of the tire offerings of the time, around 41-47mm width ended up with inflated diameters around 28.25 to 28.5" so not quite meeting the definition that diehard fans insist is the minimum for them to be called 29ers.

When the guy behind the eruption in 650B interest, Kirk Pacenti, started turning people onto this "new / old" wheel format, it was by calling it 650B (the wheel size) and not 27.5er (the inflated tire size). Some tire makers label the tires as 27.5 x something, but most do it as 650B. In terms of actual rim bead seat diameters... 26" mtb is 559mm, 650B is 584mm and 700C is 622mm. The old 27" size you probably are thinking of was 630mm.
  • + 0
 thank you very much !!!...that was great...
  • + 8
 There are a lot of different breeds of horse depending on what the people in the region liked and needed. If a horse wasn't useful it didn't get bred. This creature will breed as long as people need it. I am beginning to think the future will have all three sizes in abundance.
  • + 1
 you are probably right
  • + 6
 I actually rather like it a lot. Having tried a full suspension specialized 29er last year, I was impressed with how well they roll over things. It did feel a little bit big though for really technical riding, I feel as smaller wheels control better, but this 27.5 inch wheel size may be the perfect ground in between good solid control in the rough and extra 'rollover' ability. Looking forward to 2013 and more info!
  • + 3
 I think I'll wait for the 26.75. Perfect compromise between the grip and rollability of the 27.5' and the cornering and accelleration of the 26". Or perhaps I'll wait for the 26.38". That's what I call the best of both worlds!
  • + 3
 "With the larger 650b wheels and big 2.35 or 2.4 inch tires, it should have the rough-ground roll-over of a 29er, but with snappier acceleration and better cornering."

1) Will it fit a 2.4 tire?

2) A 650b 2.4" tire is not a 29' 2.4 tire...so they will roll the same way. Different from 26" yes, but not as well as a 29".
  • + 1
 1. Will what fit a 2.4 tire ? The norco in the article clearly has the new 2013 model Schwalbe Nobby Nic 650B x 2.35s fitted to it. The difference to a 2.4 (of which Pacenti is again the first to market, the new Mega-Moto model) is minor. I doubt Norco would have limited themselves with a new model to the existing tire sizes available and not thought ahead a year or two for what other tire makers might offer. Schwalbe themselves offer 26 and 29 x 2.4s in other models. I'm betting the team rider mentioned in the article is waiting on the release of some Hans Damf 650B x 2.4s.

2. No its not, but its larger in diameter than a 26 x 2.4 and the author of the article didn't say it would have the roll over ability of a 29 x 2.4 either. He just compared it to a 29er in general terms. And being someone who owns all three size formats of bikes, including running 29 x 2.4s, I haven't found anything I couldn't get over on a 650B that I could also on the 29er.
  • + 2
 I personally think that 27.5 inch tires make a lot of sense. Better handling than a 29 and better rolling than a 26. I would love my 26in Spec. Enduro to roll better without sacrificing handling (as much) or reducing suspension travel. All that said, I have never ridden a 27.5, so it could get just the bad traits of 26 and 29 instead of just the good traits...
  • + 2
 "Norco will have at least two models in its range for 2013 with 650b (27.5-inch) wheels."

Out of interest, is this two models of the Range? Or is it two models in Norco's range of bikes?! Ie: Can we expect a 650b Sight also?
  • + 1
 It could be a hardtail also.
  • + 1
 Wait for it biggerted - more details will be out mid - summer. But you are correct - there will be two models in Norco's range of bikes
  • + 1
 WOWWY WOW WOW!!!!! I think I just met my next bike.... Its funny cause O just saw a glimpse of this bike elsewhere and commented on it and now here it is!!! I was already loving the Range nurse this addresses ALL of my personal dislikes of the 26" bike (142x12 rear end most of all) and I personally have LOVED the two 650BI rigs I've ridden (neither one a FULLY). 160mm travel and slightly bigger hoops... THIS is something I'm into.
  • + 1
 ...ugh... I HATE trying to type on "smart phones"... I type "and" , it changes it to "NURSE"...WTF!!!
  • + 1
 you must have nurses on the brain medic, and your smart phone knows it... its that smart.. nurses are pretty cool..
  • + 1
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA That just made my morning Smile
  • + 3
 Awsome!!!! More options for mtb-ers. Now i can justify owning a tone more bikes!!!! Totally stoked to try a 650b out!! Big Grin
  • + 1
 Suspension travel has its limitations, suspension and geometry advancement of bike cannot rely on a 26er anymore when it comes to trail biking and perhaps even more aggressive FR or DH. It's time to fine tune wheel size to match the major advancement of trail bike technology. Although the 29er works for XC or non technical and less aggressive riders, the trail bike category requires a overhaul on wheel size. How can you not consider this when everything else has moved forward on the bike. I'll be the first to move to 27.5, hopefully it will take a little edge off rolling over that square edge or rutty trails without overshooting lines or compromising wheel strength. Bring it on!!'
  • + 1
 Sweet bike, can't wait to try out some 650b bikes this summer and fall. I love and hate the 9er, and still haven't ridden a 9er that I liked enough to give up my 5" travel trail bike with 26" wheels. I think us trail riders will benefit the most from the middle wheel size. With so many manufactures jumping on board this trend I wouldn't be surprised if the big dogs Giant, Specialized, and Trek had prototypes in the works for Press camp in July. If that happens I think that 650b will out sell both 26 & 29 inch bikes combined in less than 5 years! They just make more sense to the majority of riders.
  • + 1
 It's all very well arsing around with new tire sizes in North America or Europe. The reality is in the rest of the biking world it's hard to get 26 inch tubes and tires over 2.1 wide, so new fandangled wheel sizes are never really gonna be anything more than a fad. Imagine the horror when if a tire gets torn on holiday somewhere less developed and, local shops can't supply because the locals are all quite happy enough with their 26ers. Sorry all these wheel sizes are just 'grass is greener' nonsense, and actually not even practical.
  • + 1
 Haters gonna hate...
I love how people are so concerned about "another wheel standard". No is forcing you to buy one. Nothing you currently own will be rendered obsolete by the fact that companies are producing 650b bikes.
I find it more annoying that I cannot buy certain new forks because they only come with a tapered head tube and by 2 year old blur LT has a straight 11/8".

I also assume...no, know, that each of the people posting against 650b have not ridden a quality 5" trail bike with 650b wheels. You're loss.
  • + 2
 agree completely... however; your :p
  • + 1
 I get the whole "range of wheel size" thing, companies want to basically sell more stuff, and by opening up the market by introducing new ranges (in this case wheel size) they open up a whole new avenue for profit generation. What really gets to me are the magazines, and to an extent, the companies that sell this stuff.....because whenever a new "format" comes out, it's suddenly "THE BEST BIKE THING EVA"......and they try to push it so far down your throat it hurts. Only yesterday I was reading the latest Dirt mag (no, not porn!) and they were reviewing the new Intense 29er Tracer, and the twat writing the review states at the end that "this bike took rock lines that would make some 26" DH bike cringe"....WTF?!? "some DH bikes" what's he refering to, a Halfords Carrera? If the media and the companies just said something along the lines of, here we have developed a trail bike for "blah" trail and it works best with 650B wheels, or 29er wheels, or 26" wheels, then I wouldn't mind so much, because it really is down to the rider to choose what he wants, but it's so easy to fall into the "marketing trap"........
  • + 1
 I ride a Norco Team DH 26" and a Norco Shinobi 29" for XC. There are times when I've wished I had something in between, now I have that option.
I'll be getting a Range 650 the second they come out, I believe the 650 will give me the perfect all mountain bike for the Shore and Squamish where I typically ride.
  • + 3
 please no more wheel sizes theres enough arguments as it is between 29ers and 26ers, i dont think theres a server powerfull enough to handle all the extra pinkbike arguments.
  • + 7
 i bet the 650b will end the 29er because of cornering, just a matter of time
  • + 4
 650bbbbbboy. I'm more exited for this than 29er!
  • + 4
 why is there a specialized plastic holding the cables? xD
  • + 2
 Because Specialized rockx!! Smile
  • + 1
 ahahaha tup
i have one plastic like that in my demo 8 xD
  • - 9
flag mtnbykr05 (Apr 25, 2012 at 10:03) (Below Threshold)
 Because Norco is owned by Specialized.
  • + 1
 Because the mechanic had one to use? It looks cleaner than zip ties? What difference does it make? Maybe its a perk from paying the license fee for the horst-link ? Specialized licenses the patent and throws in a cable holder with every royalty payment.
  • + 2
 Specialized and Norco have a licensing agreement for the FSR four-bar suspension patent. I was curious about that Specialized cable doohicky as well, so I asked about it. Norco's Dustan Sept says the relationship between the two companies is friendly and thus, they share some frame bits as well. RC
  • + 1
 I finally broke down and ordered a 29'er and now this..............
  • + 1
 Cancel the order? Really though, you've had the option of at least an AM 650B full suspension for 2 years now. Jamis has 130mm wheel travel models available in canada.
  • - 1
 Once again Deelight you are just WAY off the mark. There have been ZERO, QUALITY, ABUSE READY 650B's available up to now... Jamis??? Yeah, no thanks, I appreciate them getting behind good tech, but their frames are garbage, even their "DH/FR/SS" frames that are supposed to take abuse are known to be massive failures. You're small little boutique brands are a great "cottage industry" (do you know what that means???) but they're not cost effective, PROVEN, nor do they have any type of "dealer" network outside of the small town they're made in and isolated pockets of Canada... THIS bike is the beginning of something special and a SMART move forward in the industry. Norco is coming on STRONG this year and looks like they'll keep it up big time in the next few years.
  • + 0
 It won't make it to US Cycling sanctioned races. There is a coalition that its ready to file lawsuits based on the discrimination of shorter riders due to the fact that manufacturers are not able to produce a size small big wheel bike that is able to be competitive enough to win races.
  • + 4
 Who gives a fork about US Cycling sanctioning? 650B is UCI legal and has already won an world cup XC race, its only a matter of time before it takes some enduro wins and other more gravity oriented racing formats that 29ers have struggled in. As to that coalition...its a joke... there are quite a few american and canadian woman riders on 29ers winning pro-elite XC races and World Championships already who are rather short.
  • - 7
flag enrico650 (Apr 25, 2012 at 16:21) (Below Threshold)
 @deeeigth. You know what is really a joke?
Trying to rip off people by selling them old parts for top dollar !
Shame on you !
  • + 1
 Supply and Demand moron. I have the supply... and people pay my prices quite gladly so there is definitely a demand.
  • - 1
 @deeeight .I feel sorry for the other Canadians you know , the nice ones.
I showed your comment to Derek Westerlund from freeride Entertainment on our Wed. evening ride ,he is from BC, he told me that its an ongoing problem and gives a bad name to the rest of the canadian bike community.
  • + 0
 Good for you, while we're on name dropping... I have RICHARD CUNNINGHAM,,,,ya know... the guy who wrote this article, and who has been there, and done all that in the mountain bike industry longer than anyone else on pinkbike, personally messaging me to thank me for my comments. Now I respect RC's opinion a lot more than I do yours or some random dude from BC I've never heard of.
  • - 1
 I pitty the fool!
  • + 3
 Some of the stupidest, most pointless articles in mtn. bike magazine history were "penned" by RC so I don't know that I'd go around touting him as the holly grail of Mtn. Bike knowledge. He may have "seen" it all, but he hasn't always known what to DO WITH IT (I'll give him this though, he's no Jimmy Mac... and he has written some GREAT articles for PB, so maybe he's gotten over his journalistic "teething period" now that he's gotten into his 40's or 50's)... And if you "don't know" Derek Westerlund's name maybe you're not as "connected" to the industry as you think you are. I agree with you about the colation and the UCI bit, but then you loose me again in all the knobery...
  • + 1
 I never claimed to be in the industry. The freeride video market holds even less interest for me than farting does.
  • + 0
 29 er ok but 650 come on man im a shop owner and that just ridiculous. what we will have to hold a ton of stuff just cause compagnies come up with 20 wheels size. i think its just a wast of time and they should just hold the 29er
  • + 1
 Nobody is abandoning 29ers just like the 26" isn't being abandoned. Maybe you should just carry brands that support all the wheel formats (which will soon be everyone except Niner).
  • - 1
 650B is better then 29" for everyone BUT XC folks and those who don't actually NEED to manuver their bikes through tight trails. Put it this way, I've HATED every single 29'r I've ever ridden here in the NW but the very FEW 650B HT's I've ridden have been brilliant. I started racing BMX when I was 5 and I've been on a Mtn. Bike since they were brought to market/invented and I can say without pause 650B is a GREAT thing where 29 is just an OK thing...
  • + 1
 Yeah...we get it, you love norco... we can tell from looking at your profile...
  • + 2
 does not look anywhere near 160mm in the front but maybe 40mm stanctions are messing with me. Anyways would love to see how one handles over the ruts!
  • + 2
 WHAT A SWEET BKIE AND bikeaddict123 YOU ARE A DOUCHE BAG FOR THINKING THAT DOUCHE BAG IS NOT AN AWESOME INSULT.
  • + 0
 Stupid wheel size arguements here. If you all think one wheel size is the best let's just ride one kind of bike for XC, DJ, DH, Enduro, Road .... It's simple progression embrace it or don't pay attention
  • + 1
 I doubt anybody will sell their bike to buy one of these. 1.5 inches isn't worth it, unless you are a sponsored racer or the like.
  • + 1
 I love this. Including the Totem. They probably went this route because as a Vancouver company they realize that we won't buy into this big wheel stuff without a proper fork.
  • + 1
 Or it could be that since Rockshox only had Revelation model samples ready to go in a dedicated 650B lower leg casting for manufacturers, they simply did what everyone else was already doing. Take a fork rated for a 26 x 2.7 tire and use it for the 650B (as the inflated diameter of one of those works out to about 27.5") conversion and testing. Of course they could simply have ordered an X-Fusion or White Brothers fork, but they already were a big rockshox customer and no doubt had lots of rockshox models right at hand to use instead.
  • + 1
 Actually a most 26x2.7 come out at under 27". A 26x3.0 would be around 27.5" But I see you point.
  • + 1
 Depends on your manufacturer of tire... Rockshox officially rated the Psylo for example for a maximum 26 x 2.7 tire, and I'm using one for the Pacenti NeoMoto 650B x 2.35 and it has a good half inch clearance to spare all around the tire at the brace, and under the crown (at full compression). I have continental 26 x 2.4s that are coming out just under 27" inflated. Not every tire manufacturer's casing works out to the same diameter for a given claimed "width".
  • + 1
 I've got schwalbe fat albert 2.4 ....27.25 maybe I should measure it again...........I started mtn biking to avoid doing math...............
  • + 1
 Sweet to see that all the major fork makers will be making 650b stuff in 2013. Who will be the first to make a 650 dh fork?

Smart move Norco, long travel & 650, bring it!
  • + 1
 A 650 SPECIFIC DH fork? Really isn't a need since most every DH fork already (fox excluded) has proper tire clearance to work with the 650B tire options currently available. The biggest currently available is the new dual-ply casing Pacenti Mega Moto 2.4. With the slightly longer contact patch of the 650B, you can give up a tenth of an inch or so of width compared to a 26" tire for DH riding. How many top DH riders really race on the ultra fat rubber still ?
  • + 1
 wow thats a pretty sick bike there even tho totems looks bit over kill but i guess noroco knows better than me :-)
and yes i would buy that
  • + 1
 deeeight, who do work for? you sure got alot to say above.. one more question to add to this mix, is the 650b wheelsets gonna lean towards 15mm TA or 20mm TA?
  • + 1
 I work for myself, but RC asked me if I was in the industry also so you're not alone in wondering. I think since we have 650B forks already in all three formats, that it will depend on the brand. There are obviously going to end up being "entry level" 650B bikes just as there are entry-level 29ers, and I just don't see those getting 15 or 20mm axles and just as entry-level full suspension 26ers don't get fancier axle setups either. Oh sure ENVY might focus on doing 15mm or 20mm axle options only on their $2k+ carbon wheels, but a brand like Easton or American Classic with lower price point wheelsets will likely offer 9mm / 15QR axle compatible front hubs.

Or... you could just do as those of us who rode the 650B wave from the start did and build your own wheels around a fancy hubset (my first used Hope Pro2s) which might have axle-swapping options so you can keep the same wheels and run them in different forks and frames.
  • + 1
 Thank god, no internal routing! Didn't we all learn our lesson with internal routing 15 years ago? Pain in the ass!
  • + 1
 is it just me or do people feel like people wil use this as a slopstyle bike, just my opinion
  • + 2
 Is that an opinion, or a question? My opinion would be: definitely not.
  • + 3
 Why a totem. Just.. why?
  • + 8
 Because its designed to take a 26 inch wheel plus tyre of up to 3.0 inch plus mud clearance, it has just enough room to fit in a 650b wheel with 2.3 tyre. Its not a 650b specific fork, theyre not that common....yet.
  • + 4
 in other words, why the hell not a totem!
  • + 2
 Better than a Fox 36 which would have needed a travel limiter to guarantee they DIDN'T smack the tire into the underside of the crown if they hit full travel. Rockshox have LONG had much better tire / mud clearance room on their fork lowers than most other brands, for a given category of fork model.
  • + 4
 Is it me or does the fork look less than 160mm travel?
  • + 1
 i love how norco's bikes are so flowy looking! a true peice of art is what norco bikes are
  • + 1
 I love the look of it but the reduced fork travel doesn't make it very appealing.
  • + 3
 Looks rad. I approve.
  • + 2
 If thats a 160mm fork my dick is huge.
  • + 2
 Totem at 160mm almost looks like a dirt jump fork.
  • + 1
 Tankest 160mm fork ever?
  • + 1
 Nice work Norco ! My 650b is a ridged SS I'll be very interested in reviews of a trail/am bike
  • + 1
 Excellent....having gone 29" HT, I want to replace my 26" full squish with bigger wheels...this looks perfect
  • + 1
 Why do the forks look so short if the rear is 6.5"?? Dual position?
  • + 0
 Yet another "standard" to follow in the form 650b wheels...

Not one for me.
  • + 11
 to be fair 650b has been around since the 50's.
  • + 2
 And to be more fair, the availability of fat off-road tread tires in the format predates that for 700C wheels by several decades but most of them went to eurasian brands. If there'd been better tire availability to north american mountain bike pioneers in the 1970s... the 26" tire size would never have been adopted for production bikes.
  • + 0
 Why so much travel in the suspension??? Don't the larger wheels negate the need for that on a trail bike?
  • + 1
 That's the beauty of the format, unlike 29" wheels which run into all sorts of frame geometry/standover sizing issues as well as weight issues as you up the travel more and more, the current 650B tire offerings (which don't currently run wider than a 2.4) will work in any bike that can take a 26 x 2.6/2.7 tire and so don't run into those problems as much. If you're still local and are considering the format, i may have a loaner put together later this spring with my spare 650B wheelset. We can go riding out at the SMH and you can see what all the fuss is about.
  • + 1
 29" wheels allow you to run 20mm less travel for the same type of bike so I'm guessing 650B will be -10mm.
So:
26" 160mm is the same as 29" with 140mm which is the same as 650B with 150mm.
So this bike is a 650B 160mm travel bike and should be on par with a 26" 170mm bike.
  • + 1
 It depends which magazine writer you listen to for that. Some argue that a 29er hardtail is as good offroad as a short-travel 26er full suspension frame. Now I don't know about you, but barring a handful of softtail models over the years, no 26er full suspension frame has ever had less than 2 1/2 inches of rear travel. My own experience is that a fat tire in the frame of a 29er hardtail (like a 2.4 width) and low pressure is as good as a medium-pressure 26 x 2.1 in a 100mm travel frame.
  • + 1
 I have a 26" with 110mm of travel in the rear and that seems like plenty to me. I would think that 160 with larger wheels would start to feel a little too muted and sloppy.

I guess this bike wasn't really designed for people who are happy with 26" wheels.
  • + 2
 @dingo-dave if 110mm in the rear with 26" is enough for you this bike isn't for you. This is a enduro style bike in my opinion and would be good for racing something like the megavalanche or for general techical trail riding.
  • + 0
 "Each to their own" - Sam Hill
  • + 1
 I am totally down for the 650b format..... awesome.
  • + 1
 why totem reduced? why not fox 36?
  • + 2
 Because its simpler to shorten the travel of the Totem that to limit the travel of the Fox ? The totem probably had better clearance under the crown (Fox doesn't rate their 36/40 platform forks for a tire larger than 27.3" diameter).
  • + 1
 was anyone else really confused and think the title said 650 lbs?
  • + 1
 does it get more traction because it is 650lbs?
  • + 3
 Yes, the 650 lbs keep the tires glued to the trail. Cool
  • - 3
 Once again I will say......What a load of absolute bollox!!! What the hell is the biking world coming to? Oh wait a minute, I've just found a gap in the market for a 28.75er and a 33.1352er........oh wait......just spotted another gap in the market for a 1673.24er. For f*cks sake give it a rest!!!...it was bad enough with 29ers lets not go even further!! And before anyone says it Ive heard all the excuses..yep excuses like "they roll better" ..."they climb better"..."they go well with my lycra shorts"... "my bar ends look better when they are on a 29er"...."my 120mm stem feels better on a 29er" etc etc etc etc!!
  • + 7
 You're right...you should never try something new...
  • + 3
 I wonder if he rubs two sticks together still to make fire????? Striking a match would be something knew!!! (eyeroll) lol
  • - 3
 I just accidentally my computer screen...
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