Pinkbike Poll - What Will Enduro Racing Become?

Sep 27, 2013
by Richard Cunningham  

Enduro racing has taken two evolutionary paths: The European style that requires pro-level descending skills and dedicated bicycles, and the North American style, staged on less technical courses which can be won aboard an off-the-shelf 140-millimeter-travel trailbike. There is fierce loyalty in both camps, with those who support the Euro-style enduro, maintaining that the sport would be diluted if it was held on courses and terrain that did not challenge the likes of Dan Atherton and Nico Vouilloz. The North American camp sees enduro as the only competition venue that a rider can race competitively on his or her everyday trailbike.

The area here in Val D Isere isn t short of sights to take your breath away.

Big and nasty. Europe is the birthplace of enduro and the courses there are unmatched for the magnitude of terrain and technical difficulty. Val-d'Isere, France.



The split seems to be based upon the vision of enduro as a showcase for professional racing that also allows amateurs to participate in - or a venue that is participation based, with courses engineered to challenge upper-level amateurs, with some sections that may challenge pro competitors. The easy answer is that both solutions are valid in their selective markets - as enduro events are massively attended on both sides of the Atlantic. I would tend to agree with that solution, but there are powerful forces looming in the shadows that will soon amalgamate the two into one set of rules and course requirements.

Jared Graves looked commanding as the clock started running this morning. After the first two stages he stood a healthy lead over the rest of the field with six seconds on Leov and 21 to Jerome Clementz.

Yeti's Jared Graves raced World Cup Downhill for a decade before finding his feet this year on the Enduro World Series. Graves, on his way to the win at Val-d'Isere, France.



Now that it has become a respected and well-attended professional venue, the UCI will not allow enduro racing to be run without its strict oversight for an indefinite time - and in the United States, all indications lead to the conclusion that USA Cycling is chafing at the bit for a hostile takeover of the independent promoters who have built enduro into a successful enterprise there. History shows that, when the UCI enforces new rules, USA Cycling follows with a vengeance. The UCI has reached out to key players in Europe to find some middle ground, but be prepared for some arbitrary interpretations when the final verdict is handed down. Bottom line is that the UCI's vision of enduro will be the format that will determine the landscape of the sport and that may not be such a wonderful thing for either side of the Atlantic.

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Diamondback's Charlie Sponsel is an accomplished gravity rider who chooses the lighter kit and mid-travel trailbike that is typical for North American courses. He placed third here at the Cascadia Cup, round three near Olympia, Washington.



So, one may ask,"if a takeover of enduro is eminent, why bother to sweat the details?" There is a third option, however, and it may be that its time has come. Enduro could go it alone. There is a groundswell of popularity for the event that cuts across the entire scope of the sport and the promoters are all entrepreneurial types who understand their riders' needs far better than any entitled governing body. The path to success has been laid out by two divergent cycling groups: Triathlon and Freestyle. Both are flourishing without the intervening arms of the UCI, IOC or tiny USA Cycling. The primary reason that Freestyle and Triathlon succeeded is exactly why Enduro could become independent - they were cultivated, promoted and governed by people who were pioneers, who were integral parts of their sports. And they organized before traditional governing agencies understood what was going on. Now is that time.

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Downhill and gate racing champion Eric Carter co-produces a successful enduro series in Southern California with Robert Heber - and he races it too.



Factors in favor of an independent enduro organization are strong. The facts that enduro has disastrous fan appeal and is nearly impossible to televise are b***r shrinkers for organizers who envision cycle racing as the Tour de France or an Olympic venue. If enduro is to thrive, it will have to be driven by participation. The more racers we can get to line up, the better - and Triatlhon shows us that professionals can and should compete on the same courses as amateurs do. Their simple separation of age-groupers and professionals could work equally well for enduro. Triathlon also points out that qualifier races can be implemented to weed out the best talent for world-class events. On the other side, the FMB shows us that you don't have to be big to make it happen - that passion, peer acceptance and roots in the sport are perhaps more important to a successful program.

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Some racers demand an uber-technical descent, but many race to experience mach'ing through the woods in a beautiful part of the world where they would normally never get to ride.



Both sides of enduro could enter into a dialogue and organize a world governing body for the sport, and if that happens, arguably, the outcome would be a healthier sport for all. The reason is, that those who founded and built the sport are more inclined to make positive changes for the benefit of all riders as the sport progresses - and less inclined to enforce regulations that have no value beyond forcing a fresh venue to conform to existing types of cycling competition. Enduro is a participant sport, so it makes sense that it should be run by participants as well. In the end, both scenarios will produce one set of competition rules and course guidelines. The question is: would you rather choose the ingredients of your breakfast, or have someone else throw a plate of food in front of you and say, "eat?"




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  • 87 2
 UCI..BACK THE F OFF! They have no love for DH racing, only care about roadies and some xc.
The most corrupt organization ever and all the shit that is going on with Pat Mcquid of UCI. We do not want to be a part of that shit.

We need a strong organization with representatives that know their shit and handles stuff in a democratic, polite and reasoneble manner.

All races do not have to be the same, some basic rules need to be the same though and that might need a bit of working but for being EWS first year it turned out really good!

As for style of races; Why not keep doing our thing on both sides of sea, it brings a nice mix to the table and displays different skill sets. European racers will have to deal with it as would american racers. Makes it kind of fair right?
  • 30 1
 im pretty sure evryone who runs the uci are xc or roadies, it gets on my nerves that they do so little for dh its the only sport in the world that requires 2 balls unlike football or golf
  • 5 0
 lol euro-enduro sub category?
  • 13 59
flag elanto (Sep 27, 2013 at 1:49) (Below Threshold)
 the 4th picture down is exactly what is wrong, goggles and open face ?!?

youtube:- ''shit mountain bikers say'' much ??
  • 9 7
 I think it looks cool. no sorry I meant to say daft.
  • 5 0
 Haha, people know that when U sign up for a enduro in the alps it will get rowdy and in NA you need to carrie great speed. Pro's just got to handle it if they want to be the top dogs of EWS. If semi-proes and amateurs feel that they for example need more euro style in NA then they can push it. Internal change, not external change!
  • 42 1
 What is wrong with goggles and open face? You wear goggles to keep stuff out of your eyes and an open face if a full face is too hot or too much helmet for the job. Whether its "cool" or not is utterly irrelevant to a) endro as a race format and b) how good you are (or not) as a rider.
  • 2 42
flag elanto (Sep 27, 2013 at 4:36) (Below Threshold)
 Search youtube, " mountain bikers say" watch and revise your thoughts
  • 1 40
flag elanto (Sep 27, 2013 at 4:42) (Below Threshold)
 Shit* mountain bikers say.....
  • 4 5
 UCI 'care' for road riding.....best laugh I've had all week. I'm surprised they've even allowed the sport to move beyond penny farthings.
  • 40 1
 I ride goggles and open face occasionally on XC rides, stops my eyes streaming on fast open descents so I can actually see where I'm riding. You're right though, being able to see is overrated, looking super cool is much more important. Thanks for the heads up, I can't believe I didn't think of that before.
  • 18 0
 The format of enduro racing probably has a lot more to do with the mountains at which the races are held. Big mountains equals 'pro' style events. Smaller mountains equals more inclusion. In my opinion, including more people into this type of racing, rather than exclusion is the key to growing it. It reflects what bikes most people are buying and riding everyday.

You don't need the amount of training time as a dedicated XC racer needs, and the skills of a good DH racer. It takes a combo of both skill-sets. Its a less explosive form of racing which opens the doors for a lot more types of people. Plus, it seems like it is a form of racing where you could do it at an older age and still do well. The bikes don't need to be super light or super burly either.

I have wanted this type of racing (ie: long downhill racing) since the late 90's. I'm glad it seems to be taking a foothold in the industry after struggling for so long. It has brought me out of retirement and looking to buy a new bike. Stoked for sure!
  • 12 0
 What's the issue about googles with open face? lol 1st is so much better than riding sunglasses or clear glasses, no dust, mud or water going in or movement at all...

Second googles were not made only for full face helmet and your DH bike what about snowboarders open face helmet or no helmet at all...googles and no helmet what about that one?!

Mate at the end of the day your wrong laughing at another form of MTB? Second u said "DH the only category u need balls" haha I'm sure u need a more balls freeride/slopestyle
  • 12 0
 I get a good laugh when folks get all bent over goggles on open face helmets... Its about function...When I wear goggles no matter what my helmet is my eyes don't water or get dust in them... Simple as that... I know some riders like to wear glasses and they function great for them but for me its goggles...Its about preference.
  • 9 0
 Really?? Base my appearance on a WANK YouTube vid? Then again, vision is overrated.... Idiot
  • 3 1
 I say let the UCI take over the whole Enduro worldwide. This way we can run our underground races without being scrutinized because they'll be too busy...
  • 1 0
 @ECMTB1 You tell 'em Eric! (He's the guy in the 2nd to last photo).
  • 4 1
 To be honest, we XC riders don't really like the UCI that much either... just saying. They tried to implement that stupid rule that bans pros with a racing license from entering non UCI events, and rumour has it they are looking at removing the U19 category for world cup XC because us New Zealanders keep beating the Europeans at it; they are getting jealous so trying to stop us developing riders Razz
  • 1 2
 Damn.... He was joking you idiots. Calm down
  • 1 1
 I havent much respect for the UCI, but on what elanto said about the people running it being XC or Roadies, I think thats why they dont do much for DH, they havent the experience. Maybe if more people from the DH stepped up to work with them theyd do more for them in return? As I say Im not defending them, just a thought on peoples views of the whole thing...
  • 4 1
 Would you prefer to live in a town full of small, independent shops run by passionate owners, or just have one massive out of town supermarket?
  • 1 0
 Brian Cookson has just been elected as UCI president and has said he wants to promote cycling at all levels/disciplines. His work with British Cycling has proven he knows how to achieve this from grass routes up and that includes DH MTB and therefore Enduro too. As for Enduro, think it needs to mix up all terrains so as not to become too elitist i.e. if it focuses on DH tracks only then it excludes a large number of us who have no local DH venues (without travelling).
  • 2 0
 I like the way you put that. Most people would say the "Town full of small, independent shops run by passionate owners". Then there's the other type of person, they'll choose the massive town supermarket, due to the cheaper price, and convenience. I like the small dedicated shops, I find that more reliable. That way you get to know the workers and owners, it's a win win situation with the small businesses. Just my 2 cents.
  • 33 0
 Chris Ball is doing an amazing job heading off the EWS. No need for change. Keep the courses hard, technical, and with plenty of climbing in between stages. North American enduro is pretty lame compared to EWS rounds, and I'd love to see a proper BC enduro series with some good and hard races next year.
  • 11 0
 Check out bcenduro.com they have 5 tentative events for 2014 I think the racing style will develop over time, seems to me like its still in its infancy for us North American folks. Cant just jump from nothing to a perfect racing scenario from year to year. It will take time to develop dedicated courses, sponsorship, athletes, fan base. etc. Give it time!!!
  • 4 0
 this is are chance to final,brake away of uci,all they do is make rules that are broken to line there pocket,just look at 4x,we as RIDER'S need to make the rule's that work for us,take it we mite not be in the olaimpic's with out uci,but if we win are freedom to ride on the real,just look at the past and the future may belong to the rider's and good promoters,remember its all about fun when your out on a ride.call it MOUNTAIN BIKE for RIDER .org.
  • 3 2
 more than a few north american enduro racers at crankworx this year were alluding to the fact chris ball is being manipulated by some of the bigger euro teams and racers.


hmmmmmmm.
fact or fiction?
  • 1 0
 Say what? how would that be?
  • 1 0
 ie getting payed to do what they want him to do so their racers can flourish.
  • 21 1
 Regardless who ends up owning and regulating Enduro, the important part is to include as many riders as possible in as many countries as possible. There are so many locations around the world outside of Western Europe and North America to stage an Enduro.
  • 17 0
 I raced at the Crankworx EWS at Les 2 Alpes earlier this summer and although the atmosphere and organization was great, it felt more like I was racing multiple DH races rather than an Enduro race. While the first stage was a great stage with a fair bit of climbing, the other 3 stages were all lift assisted downhill stages. Even the transition didn't have any climbing whatsoever. While the difficult level of the stages need to be maintained and should not be made easier, just for the sake of attracting more people, and should challenge even the best of riders, I think Enduro races need to be kept as close to real mountain bike riding as possible by including climbs and flat sections in the transitions and specials.
  • 16 0
 Completely agree, enduro needs climbs as well as challenging downhill. It is supposed to be hard and climbs with cut-off times are part of that. The Italian events seem to have the format sorted.
  • 1 5
flag Protour (Sep 27, 2013 at 8:50) (Below Threshold)
 Most of the pros liked the Crankworx format from what I heard. I love to climb, but pedaling uphill with a heavy backpack sucks, and it gets in the way on the DH. Bike parks are prefect for enduro, some climbing still, but alot more DH because of the lifts. I think the tracks need to progress, some of the races are essentially Super D stage racing where the guy with the strongest legs and decent handling skills wins most stages, and there needs to be more super steep tech sections that separate the men from the boys.
  • 4 0
 Well that's how a tour or series works- with different types of tracks that favor different kinds of riding styles. The same goes for DH races in that some favor the riders with more cardio while some will favor the riders that can rip steep and gnarly stuff. That's how you find out the best all-around riders.

I think the perfect enduro includes at least 70% climbing on the transfers because sometimes the perfect venues are resorts so some can be lift serviced for the sake of using sick DH trails. And I think a true enduro bike is 5-6 inches, which can handle a majority of DH runs so... all enduro should be on gnarly DH because it's incredibly fun and makes it more physically demanding.
  • 2 0
 i dont think we should make all the races like that. having one or two races with a heavy side of dh, like the lift assist is fine. you just also have to have one or two races with climb friendly hills. so the strong dh riders could win but then the climbers win on the hill friendly. and the most balenced rider takes the overall. dont overthink it too much now
  • 3 0
 I totally agree. A variety of tracks with a mix of more climbing, or more chair assisted, and gnarlier downhill is definitely what makes the EWS so varied and great and doesn't suit just a single rider. However, I do get a bit sick of seeing races where riders are chairlifted to the start just to ride a DH trail on a smaller bike, then back on the chair for a different track. That's just downhill racing on small bikes.

A friend of mine summarised perfectly what I believe races should entail...
Enduro needs to stick to the true enduro spirit, which is:
- steep short/punchy climb in most of the stages
- One significant climb to justify trail bikes (or wish you had your hardtail)
- Fast gnarly++ downhill making you wish you were on your big bike


The Whistler Bike Park Enduro races need to realise this as the most recent (eventually cancelled) race had three burly DH stages - which I'm all in favour of - that they just made you pedal between yourself with ZERO climbing within each race stage. The transition times are lenient enough that one can bring a DH bike with no penalty (save out of breath) and have a clear downhill advantage. This was demonstrated on a similar track in the first race this year when a DH bike was on top of the podium.


As to the question of the debate and the Euro/Americas style: I point again to the italics above. It should contain a bit of everything, but the downhill stages should definitely have enough burl to wish you had your DH bike. I guess that puts me in the Euro camp. I think despite being a N-American race, CWX Whistler course had everything, including some pretty gnarly downhill. I heard a lot of the riders saying it was the toughest course of the year, and not just because of so much more pedaling than other stages, and being all in one day.
  • 1 0
 I agree that variety is good, but disagree about the necessity of climbs, especially ANY extended climbs that are included in the climb. That sport was called Super D, and it died because people preferred that enduro eliminated the extended climbs and pedaling sections xc racers would take advantage and make huge time gains that the good downhills couldn't make up for. I believe most racers want to focus on the fun downhills, not the climbs. This is racing, and the purpose is to challenge people and have fun (DH), not to cater to the segment of the sport that has the most popular type of bike.

If a DH bike won an enduro race occasionally, thats awesome because it would open up the sport to more competitors and keep the guys on trail bikes from honest. Props to that guy, sort of the opposite of Graves winning the bronze It makes total sense to have more DH oriented tracks at bike parks since DH bikes are what most people are riding.

In the end the more aggressive side of the sport will win out because that is what the top pros want and it is the tradition of enduro. Us North Americans just haven't caught up yet, so the French will be dominating this sport for awhile.
  • 16 0
 "The UCI will not allow enduro racing to be run without its strict oversight for an indefinite time"........ Allow?! How about f*ck off! We neither want nor need the permission of the UCI to race!
  • 7 0
 You said it! It's not like they have monopoly on mtb racing. UCI is a virus, don't catch that shit cause it's hard to get rid off! With support from sponsors and people participating we can do it by our own.
  • 10 0
 The UCI is like an STI. It comes in whilst you're having a great time and then proceeds to make your life a misery without you actually seeing it.
  • 16 1
 xc is for the worlds fittest, downhill is for the worlds fastest, fmb is for kids who are awesome at tricks... enduro has and always will be in my mind the only type of event your average joe with all round bike skills and decent fitness can race in, you don't need UCI points or invitations to enter, you pay a fee then turn up and ride, its not televised and not many spectate, its mountain biking in its purest form without being weighed down by petty rules and regulations, with the details of each race being down to how the individual vendors/organisers see fit. Lets keep it that way!

Companies need to stop trying to capitalise on the discipline and pi$$ off, I'm sick of all this 650b/15mm axles/142 rear spacing crap being forced on the market as 'enduro specific'. Enduro racing by its nature is varied and diverse and there shouldn't be any one type of bike or components associated with it, just what the rider brings! This whole survey is just sponsored by companies trying to govern Enduro so they can market it and make even more Enduro specific products... its ball cr@p, just go and ride your damn bike however you want!!!

... end rant.
  • 7 0
 When I bought my first "real" mountain bike, enduro / all mountain / backcountry / trail riding was a name for a style of cycling when you were playing with the terrain, trying new trails, etc. and the speed was the last thing an "enduro" rider would care about. So from this (historical) point of view, the term "enduro racing" is an oxymoron as enduro was the style for those who did not want to compete in anything, they just wanted to have fun and enjoy the nature.
  • 1 0
 ^^^this guy!
  • 2 1
 I was just going to say the same thing. Mountain biking in its purest form does not involve a clock. Once you turn it into a race that purity is gone.
  • 3 0
 the marketing of enduro by companies definitely needs to back off a bit.... we get it, you need to make a buck, but now every new product that comes out is an "enduro" helmet, and an "enduro" backpack.... bullshit. You had this stuff in development for the last 2 years, you just tagged it as being for "enduro" because it was convienent... I did the Crankworx enduro, and one thing that really stuck with me, especially being out of the pro catagory, was the organizers encouraging us to turn in and rat on people who were seen shuttling during practice, including driving around the bottom of the valley in whistler. For any of the stages you needed to access, you were looking at a 45 minute climb, regardless of where you could drive to. I don't really understand how that ties in with "the spirit of enduro", which I always understood was riding up and down and doing everything with friends... Driving 5 - 10 minutes to get to a gate and doing a 45 minute hard climb didn't really hamper "the spirit of enduro" to me, and ratting out other people doesn't seem to friendly, especially when we're just out for the weekend having fun....
  • 14 0
 I love that they say Jared graves raced ten years in DH before finding his feet in the EWS. What about his awesome 4X and BMX results in UCI events and the Olympics.
  • 15 0
 4X is also running smooth an even improving without the UCI
  • 11 2
 Good God I'm starting to hate the word endu......nope can't even say it.
  • 8 1
 Sorry, to incite your gag reflex Eyon. I didn't name for the sport, so I have no authority to suggest a change. Surf and skate rules apply.
  • 2 0
 same here. there sure is a gap in the market for En***** specific tubes
  • 4 2
 Richard, I didn't mean it against your article, just more the constant stream of enduro this enduro that that's coming out right now. As a type of race, it seems awesome, just the world is jumping on the bandwagon. 160mm bikes have been around for years and years, so why only now is it that it has to be enduro specific to be marketable?
  • 6 1
 What do you want, a list of activities possible on a 160mm bike? Enduro to me means hardcore xc/light weight dh bike
  • 4 1
 Word! A truly gifted writer told me once that there are only about 300 words a technical writer has available to describe something about mountain bikes. I laughed then, but am sure now that he was correct.
  • 5 4
 'eduro' is just a marketing name for the word (you'll never believe this) "Mountian biking" all these idiots that buy inot it, morons,..thats why theirs no ''Freeride'' bikes anymore they called em mini dh instead
  • 5 0
 "eduro" is a typo often encountered in pointless debates that try and make riding a bike something else Smile
  • 1 0
 Enduro for me means the racing format, hence bikes and parts labeled as enduro specific. If you do that kind of mtbing but not racing, the enduro bikes will fit you. And since it becomed a big sport it does make kind of sense to lable things as enduro, cause you know what you get.
  • 1 1
 Alright. Shall we just start calling it "All Mountain Racing" to keep everyone happy seeing as though "All Mountain" bikes have been around all that time?
  • 4 1
 I like what Peaty, Minnaar and Ratboy call it: GXC (I'm assuming it's for Gnarly Cross Country) But I doubt that'd fly with the 'target market'.
  • 3 11
flag elanto (Sep 27, 2013 at 4:16) (Below Threshold)
 Gay cross country
  • 7 1
 If the courses don't stay gnarly then it will be just Gay XC for unfit people that can't get to the top in a good time for a XC race
  • 2 0
 Elanto: from my point of view, enduro riding (not racing) is what freeride was supposed to be and what it was before they complicated it with slopestyle tricks.
  • 1 0
 I went for an Enduro ride on my inline blades! It was awesome!
  • 1 0
 I have no problem with the word enduro. It is a different style of racing and thus it should stand out from the norm. That term is marketable which is what this type of racing needs.
  • 3 1
 Enduro is a downhillers XC ride, has been for years. As long as theres no lycra involved happy days
  • 5 0
 So few seem to remember when 'All Mountain' was a new term and people were talking smack about it.
  • 1 0
 @kramster yeah I remember Dirt calling it "All - Marketing."
  • 1 0
 I am glad for all the hype over enduro.. Look at all the all mountain bikes and gear showing up in the 130-160mm range... Although overpriced but that will change in a year or so when the hype dies down.
  • 2 0
 DrSanchez: But the word enduro is many years older than enduro racing - in other words, initially it was not a style of racing. It was just one of many names for type of bikes which were more comfortable and durable than XC racing bikes but lighter and thus more suitable for all day long riding than freeride bikes.

ParkCityPlush: "Showing up"? WTF are you talking about? Big Grin My first enduro bike was a Giant VT2 from 2004 with 145 mm of air suspension. My current bike is Rocky Mountain Slayer from 2006 with 150mm rear and 160mm front suspension (both air). This type of bikes has been on the market for almost a decade.
  • 1 0
 I never said there weren't bikes in that range before now. I was riding a Santa Cruz heckler long before 2004 so don't think your calling me out. Point is until this enduro explosion options were limited. Now as gay as the term enduro is we are getting flooded with a ton of quality options in the one bike quiver range and I love it. And by the way the only thing referred to as enduro back then was motorcycles.
  • 1 0
 "And by the way the only thing referred to as enduro back then was motorcycles."

Not in europe
  • 2 0
 The old Heckler was a freeride bike, it had a coil rear shock and there were even setups with dual crown forks.
Yes, there are more bikes in this category than let's say 8 or 9 years ago, but who cares? I don't need 50 bikes in my garage, if there was one enduro bike on the market, as long as it suits my needs, I don't need a bigger choice. If you gave me a Cannondale Prophet from 2005 I'd still be happy to ride it.
  • 1 0
 ^^ this Smile
  • 1 0
 So a coil shock = freeride. I should have read the manual before I "Enduro'd" the shit out of it you sound like an idiot saying you don't like options and you don't have to buy 50 bikes just because they are on the market.. If I could afford 50 bikes I would love to have them in my garage.. Stick to riding a 7 year old paperweight. I like technology and will only ride a bike for 2-3 years before getting a new one
  • 2 0
 some of you are taking this way too seriously. No one should care this much about something that doesn't matter
  • 4 0
 The name matters, if it were called Enbiko we would have a problem. As someone else said it simply describes the race format and nobody has ever come up with a better name, so enduro is it. It's alot better name than Super D, who came up with that one?

I liked the sentiment of the article, but disagreed with some of RC's sentences:

"There is fierce loyalty in both camps"
Not really, the europeans may love their format but enduro is new to North America and still progressing, and who exactly does this "North America Camp" mentioned consist of?

"all indications lead to the conclusion that USA cycling is chafing at the bit for a hostile takeover"

Ok, name one. That's a big claim with no evidence provided.

"Enduro could go it alone"

It already is, you spent a whole paragraph overstating the obvious.

"The fact that enduro has disastrous fan appeal and is nearly impossible to televise"

Really? Have you attended an enduro race as a spectator? I watched the last stage of two enduro races this year and found it similar to watching a DH race. Fans had gathered near a lower spot with jumps at one of races and enjoying it. Enduro may not have the television appeal yet but all it will take is Red Bull putting a live gopro cam on one of the pro racers with some personality, and posting his footage live on RedBull TV during the race and thousands will tune in. Might even be better than World Cup DH.
  • 1 0
 Protour, I lol'ed at Enbiko. Good job. I think that should be the new name. Or maybe Elephant balls or something.

I raced "enduro" dirtbiking for a few years. Over there the name is widely used to describe racing and the bikes used for that type of racing. It works well. I can't see why it wouldn't here.
  • 8 0
 Enduro racing might even become snooker, or table tenis. It all depends on what riders come across along a trail.
  • 1 0
 lol
  • 14 1
 Snooker or table tennis comparison is totaly fine with me. At least by following it you don't get identified with the retarded cattle that football fans are. No insult in any language can do enough justice to devoted football fans
  • 4 0
 I think Enduro can only flourish, but will never outgrow xc or downhill in "mainstream popularity". What I find interesting is whether it will influence downhill. After this years EWS it became obvious that those enduro blokes race on tracks tha can be as gnarly as world Cup DH courses. It may make DH courses even more extreme. Another thing is that EWS is more of downhillers treat that XCers treat and another aggroXC/trail-like enduro format might emerge.
  • 5 1
 I've noticed the same thing, at least in terms of following the larger professional events, that for as much as people want to claim that enduro is 'All mountain', it's definitely more slanted toward downhill and without a doubt is a 'gravity' discipline. I mean some major races even use lifts to the top. And if you are not timing the climbs, how can you say you are evaluating the all around rider skills? I'm not knocking enduro, I think it's cool, I just think that the actual format isn't quite what it's described to be at times.
  • 5 0
 I rode an enduro stage the other day and Jesus Christ it was long. You have to be super fit to be able to shred these long descents as hard as you can 4 or 5 times in a day (don't forget that race pace is totally different to practice in a downhill race) and pedal to the top in between. It really is hard work. Yeah they're not being timed for the climbs, but to be able to do that and still ride quickly isn't easy.
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 I agree. I'd say keep the gnarly downs but the climb should factor more in the result or make the stages more mixed with some less dependent on hard DH.
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 That's exactly what I was getting at. I didnt mean to suggest that enduro wasn't difficult and tiring. He'll straight downhill riding is pretty tiring. I was just pointing out that if you only time the downhill parts, then to me it's more of a downhill race than anything else. It's like an endurance downhill really.
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 Waki, enduro racing has already outgrown xc in some areas of the world. XC racing will always do well as long as it is part of the olympics, though. I don't think enduro will influence DH tracks but I wish it would. World Cup DH is increasingly becoming racing down wide open freeways with groomed bike park sections, though some of the tracks still have great rock sections in them. EpicStormer, the climbs should definitely not count in the results in any way, most races almost always have longer stages that require more pedaling. What makes enduro awesome is that you are focusing on the downhills, which is the fun part.
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 True, but I meant XC as a whole including fireroad rallys - very unrighteosly to proper XC racing which seems to become better and gnarlier. This year on Swedish biggest fireroad rally, the Cykel Vasaloppet, there's been 20k participants! And Sweden isn't the biggest country in the World with 9mln citizens.

I agree on endurance fitness factor already being there in current EWS format. DH stages alone are tiring enough, even if most of them would be accessed by lift. However there will be a new Trail Enduro for sure, in areas without big mountains. Someone has to capitalize on 120-150 bikes one day Big Grin
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 Yeah, you don't really need big mountains just some good trails with connected access routes. This is why there shouldn't be strict guidelines in the enduro format, otherwise you would be keep keeping the sport from growing in areas without big mountains. The article exaggerates and assumes that usacycling or the uci would create strict standards but that would probably be only for professional races at the highest level, like it is with DH.
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 "Enduro" as a sport is at a crossroads, it's got big enough to be recognised as a sport to be contended with, but also remains small enough to be a niche sport. And this is the perfect opportunity to make the sport our own, for the people ran by the people who race, keeping it down-to-earth without the bureaucratic bulls**t of the UCI. The UK gravity enduro series is amazing, and the UCI has no control over it, this is the way it should be. The Sram superenduro series should stay, as with the Enduro world series, if the UCI get involved it will make a mess, afterall... the industry has simply defined what we all like to do on a day-to-day basis as 'enduro'... ride up the mountain with mates, and race them back down to the nearest pub Smile
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 Personally I don't think either are ideal. I really want enduro to be the true all mountain race where one is timed From start to finish. That is, a race that includes up and down but not so long that people on low travel bikes win. I want 160mm travel bikes to win. so that means difficult but not impossible DHs. I know this can be done. I can think of a number of loops where a person could do there best time on a 160mm travel bike. I think ideally the race would have to be 30-60mins long and there would have to be room to pass on the downhill. The logistics of how to get a lot of people racing would be difficult but I guess it could be done in waves with groups Starting together then those that do best do one more race for the glory. That's a race l want to do... but in saying that I like that enduro is alive and I think the European version sounds better
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 Super d races kind of fit that and were getting popular before the enduro craze took over everything. Except if the climbs are timed the winners were still on little bikes, good riders can descend on anything.
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 I feel the same way that there should be one start and one finish with at least 1000 feet of vertical climbing, no fire roads, approx 25 miles and I would even make a few super technical short climb sections as must ride zones where if you can't clean it you are penalized time. Maybe some mandatory drops or decent sized stunts or jumps that are not rampage size but big enough to take the 29er hardtails out of the mix. That would be my ideal race format. Enduro to me seems more like a mild downhill. Like super d was.
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 The reason enduro killed super D is because most racers didn't like the amount of climbing that they did on the downhill, now you also want to time the climb up, without a break at the top? This format is called XC and it will always be dominated by short travel bikes. They make up so much time on the long uphills they could hike down all the features and still win.
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 I think that with clever course designs we could design races that would cater to trail bikes. I think it would be tricky though. Punchy technical climbs, instead of long climbs. Penalties for hike-a-bike, taping off switchbacks, MANDATORY jumps or stunts. Would take a lot of volunteers/work but I think it could work..maybe.. I don't know, I never liked racing much it takes a certain kind of person to look at a trail and try to shave every second they can. I just hate seeing people walk their bikes. Whether its a XC race and they hike a bike through tech spots or enduro between stages. I guarantee in the near future you will see some bikes with no drivetrain and foot pegs.
  • 4 1
 "Big and nasty. Europe is the birthplace of enduro and the courses there are unmatched for the magnitude of terrain and technical difficulty. Val-d'Isere, France."---The Rocky Mountains and other mountains in the western US are def a match of magnitude and terrain, etc. I know the US format races haven't been quite as technical as the Euro events. However, we def have room to adapt either way
  • 1 0
 Despite what RC implies in the article, I bet if you took a poll most North American racers would prefer the more technical terrain, the sport is new here and we have some catching up to do.
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 Protour...for one of the few times, I def agree with you there. Western US & Canada have the terrain for sure. I live in Colorado and did my first few at Steamboat & Winter Park this year. Good mix of trails, had a great time, but def not the most technical of runs were used.
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 I want a sport that I can race on the bike hanging in my shed without any adjustments. Therefore I prefer the North American version because the most popular bikes are trail bikes (though PinkBike members have more gravity oriented sleds). If there needs to be such a thing as an 'Enduro-specific' bike (which there is), then that is a fail in terms of the widest acceptance in the MTB community (who are trail riders, even XC riders, like it or not).

The vast majority of trails are not lift assisted. Never have been. So you need a true trail or all-mountain bike, not a mini-DH bike.

Super D was supposed to be that sport, but somehow it seems to have died down in popularity.
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 The way I see it, Enduro is a series of true Super D races.
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 yea, i don't really understand why it's even called enduro - the climbs are not timed and can be lift assisted (at least in CA) so there's no real 'all mountain' aspect to it. basically it's a series of timed downhill races strung together over a four or so hour period. as far as I can tell folks are only coming to terms with how to organize for the format - a lot of these race seriers are very young (CES, Kamikaze etc), so there's no point thumbing your nose at the larger organizations (yet).
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 I don't think the UCI should take over, but I bet they try to now it's taking off. Let it find it's own style without their involvement. I think there is space for both styles of Enduro races to survive side by side. I don't see what's wrong with timed uphill sections now and again nor cut off times on the climbs, in fact I think there should be more of them, as long as the majority of the racing is down hill then what's wrong with the odd hill climb to sort the boys from the men. I always think of Enduro as the racing format of All Mountain riding. But as said above, I am starting to get a bit fed up with all the companies out there branding everything Enduro at the moment, similar to how everything was Freeride several years ago.
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 Variety is key! Keep it varied so that different riders excel on different courses. It'll make the series far more enjoyable to follow.
  • 2 0
 Enduro should be like every other discipline.
There are hard and easier trails in all aspects, pro riders tend to ride more challenging trails at the top level but ultimately there is a massive range of trail types.

Who should control enduro?
I see no issue with the uci and individual promoters, allow enduro to continue as it has and if the uci wants to introduce their own controlled series than so be it, but at the end if the day the respect and acknolgment will follow the riders not who holds the event,

There will be a common understanding which events are considered the pinincle of enduro and you will see the top riders go that way.

Average joes can race every type of race eventually enduro will follow suit you will have more serious competitors training and eventually it will just end up like every other riding style. With the best competing in top Events.
  • 2 0
 i raced my first enduro at the kamikaze games at mammoth earlier this month..i had a good time although i was initially skeptical that it was an 'enduro' as coming from dirtbikes, those are time keeping events over the entire course. So this racing venue should be called 'Qaulifier' but that's for purest i guess. My verdict is that enduro will always be dominated by DH racers if the courses continue to simply be DH oriented tracks. Because the transfer sections are not timed per se (there is plenty of time to make it) so those uphills can't give favor to XC guys. I did notice that at least one guy was trying to run the enduro with a 200 mm DH bike and he basically failed. There was a great turnout for the enduro race, maybe because it is simply something new where you get to show off your new 'enduro' gear and all. I do like the fact that there were three timed sections...so you got to ride bikes with like minded people for about 4 hours in all which made the effort to get there and all that worthwhile, when your typical DH race lasts a grand total of 5 min or so. I didn't vote on the poll i simply can't make up my mind, but i do think talking to big organizations (such as UCI) can be helpful to give a different perspective, they certainly have a lot of experience and have probably seen other upstarts some and go. My corollary question was what will happen to Super-D, i guess that has simply become superseded? Anyway, i guess i rambled on too much here....
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 I may be ignorant of the true format of Enduro, but if it's all downhill, even if it is less steep than a WC DH course, why not call it DH? If your just being timed on a run down a hill, even if it's broken up into segments, why call it enduro? why not just call it a multi-stage DH race, as that's what it is.. I would much prefer to see the climbs timed which I would assume it would be labeled as super D?
  • 2 0
 Generally enduro is much longer with more pedal. I think the common number falls around 70/30 in favor of Downhill sections to uphill.

Its like he middle child with the older been downhill and the you get been all mountain.
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 I don't know how it is in other places, but our local "enduro" races are at the local bikeparks with usually 3 timed downhill "specials" and a time limit to climb back up or over to the next stage.. seems to be geared to those that are fast DH, an those that are truly fit an can kill it on the climbs as well don't get recognized. I guess that's why I kinda like the super D format better?
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 yea manchvegas - my experience this year at a few events was the same. downhill skills matter, not necessarily 'all mountain' skills. i'm sure that will be tweaked as the race style continues to progress, but in the meantime, why are we already busy making enemies before we've found our feet?
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 I think the issue is that if the uci take over the private events can be canceled and were at this cross roads of the future of enduro.

I think its pointless arguing about track types etc because tracks always change and its still fairly young discipline. The focus should be purely about which body/s will produce the best future for enduro.
  • 3 0
 Essential MTB form is based on fun. Fun cannot be organized.
Pro events let be ruled. The rest (>95%) are amateurs and riding for fun.
  • 2 1
 hmm, dont know much about the race format, i do know that i have raced xc, and rode DH. i like somewhere in the middle. i love that there is a start up event that is for the people... somewhere in the middle. I dont need to be the man of steel to enter.
I hate that because it is so popular, it has become marketable, and that now leaves a bad taste In my mouth.
I think the whole enduro format would work better if it was even longer, kind of like a Dakar-type rally or a Baja1000 of mountain biking. It should be more about endur(ance) and less about speed. people should be dropping out like flys, and lots of bike repairs even to finish. maybe we could rename it after what so many of us desire riding to be... "epic"
  • 1 0
 Yeesh im just gettin into all this competing malarkey - grassroots an all that - so some distinction twixt the two 'enduro' styles would be useful afore i fling meself off some precipice thats too funky for my nottoosilkytbh skills.
  • 1 0
 Wow great thread, I love the Enduro format. Ive been putting Enduros on for the past few years and SUPER D stage races before that. I sure hope we dont make Enduro a timed DH event. Enduro im my humble opinion is the great equilizer. A place for gravity and xc racers to come and have fun!!!! The up hill untimed sections are the big elimitnators. They eliminate the big bikes. The race courses should be created to suite the 5-6 inch bikes. These are the bikes that everyone has at home, and those are the people we are focusing around. The industry sells more trail/ all mountain/ Enduro bikes than any other. So why not cater a race format for those bikes. The do it all bikes. The elite level of Enduro is great. But why not focus around the amateur racers. After all dont they actually make up the majority of the race. I love Dh as well. but we dont need another Dh series. Dh is doing great all by itself. If you make Enduro digestable for all riders we'll grow the sport even bigger. Enduro trails should be the funnest trails you ever ride. Techy, flowy and fun. But if you make em to techy the beginners and Intermediates wont come. Also if you make it to tame the Experts and elites dont have as much fun. Theres got to be a middle ground. Just have fun. This style of racing is the roots of what we love to ride.
There is however an inherent problem with Enduro. From a promotion standpoint it is very expensive and the amount of racers you can have on course are very limited. There are only so many hours in a day and so many racers you can fit in a 3 run format during that day. So Enduro is now tending to get expensive and time consuming. Also terrain can be an issue. Not everyone has the Alps inthere back yard. So most promoters I know are doing the best they can with what they have. Enduro should be a creative blanket, not a noose. Just keep it in the spirit of Enduro!
  • 1 0
 My opinion is that enduro should stay away from UCI. And it should evolve in a way like cyclocross: guys there have hard, technical races and simplier ones, made for fun. And split races into tiers, like event tiers in FMB. Want some hardcore stuff? Go to A level world-wide event. Want easier stuff to kick off season? Try B level local event. And everyone will be happy!

One more thing - STAY AWAY FROM UCI!
  • 1 0
 The problem is clear... for UCI it's not about fostering a sport, it's about CONTROL in order to reap monetary gain. Plain and simple. As far as the future of mountain biking/all mountain/enduro (who cares what it's called really?) it will go on regardless- the people who love to ride will ride, events will happen at various levels and life will go on.
  • 1 0
 Enduro is not a ridingstyle. Its pure marketing bull. Mtb is getting to the top and enjoy the following descent. There is no point in including topdown sport functionaries nowadays. Have the riders vote on which format they want to compete and develop from there. No vatican or papal Uci guidance needed in our enlightened times
  • 1 0
 While eveyone is consumed with the UCI and "What does Enduro mean" I'm concerned with what impacts me and thats the bikes. I have notice since the popularity of Enduro has grown, that has cause is a lack of true "Trail Bikes" on the market. You know, what we use to consider to be 120mm-140mm of travel 68HA. Now its a bike that is 140mm-160mm of travel 1-2 Deg slacker HA that can't possibly help it climb and pedal any better on flats sections. Remeber when the big wheels needed steeper HA to improve handling, but neccessary to make climbing and pedaling seamless? The right tool for the job used to matter, but now I think most of what the market is offering (due to enduro racing) is overkill for most riding situations. Great to have somethimg in the middle,
  • 1 0
 So much hate on the UCI, I personally voted against the UCI being in control as I would like to see this discipline stay varied and in tune with the local geography where the individual races are being held and not the courses having to fit into a strict rule set. I have been racing all my life, either motor sport or mtb and never had a serious problem with UCI rules, try racing under the FIM and you will realize its not all that bad. If you really feel the need to bitch about rules and governing bodies and keeping enduro true to the roots of mtbn, its simple don't race, races are all about controlled environments.
  • 1 0
 The UCI are the equivalent to the drunk that can't even pee in the bowl properly. All over the wall and their own feet!! Why would anyone trust them with such a great concept? Enduro has developed and flourished without the UCI and the Triathalon model of qualification is probably the best. If venues really want to challenge Pro level riders but remain accessable to the masses then have pro lines on each stage which is well marked and understood by all competitors ie if you really aren't a pro then use the main line. Obviously the pro line/ features would shave a couple seconds of each stage time, just enough to really make a difference amongst the elites and between the elites (ie those who ride it well will gain 0.5 sec on those that don't) but not offer so much that the above average amateur would risk an injury to try something that he or she really shouldn't. Just my thoughts.
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 Great point about needing participation to grow the sport since it is impossible to televise well. To grow participation you need it to be open to more people - right now to much on the DH side. IMO enduro should reward the best OVERALL trail riders, that means up and down, this would mean smaller bike (which more people have) and less tech downhill (which will mean more participation) as well as less damage to trails since bike set up would be smaller. Lets face it those that are truly competitive are not afraid of a little bit of timed climbing... the people who only want to go downhill typically do DH or are just not into competing period.
  • 1 0
 I think their is room for both styles of Enduro. Just like a DH course their are steep and technical courses and much more of a pedalling course. I would like to see at the competitive levels one set of rules to see which riders are the fastest but I don't think the UCI should just be able to make up the rules. I think the independent organizers and other organizations such as the UCI get together and make them together. I do however think the courses should be challenging and for above average riders but that could just be the DH racer in me. I do favour the European courses though.
  • 1 0
 We have a governing body through the EWS. Enduro cannot afford to be under the UCI, that would kill it. Also, I think enduro should also cater to the amateur, not just the pros. That's part of the draw, that us normal humans can participate in these events and race with our heroes.
  • 1 0
 I see Enduro racing as a race promoter specific sport. Promoters needed another type of race that could make them money and bring in more racers and i believe to also bring in new blood and youth to the race scene, as it is more affordable having a 1 bike quiver. Enduro is the true average joe race where anybody with a MTB HT/FS and a will to race can. DH, XC, 4X, DS and FMB will always be the norm, but Enduro and super d are just fads like racing dual slalom on snow at the x games, 24 and 12 hour DH racing(basically enduro) that have come and gone and may get revisited time to time. I race DH and have raced an enduro and super d's in the past and its not really for me. I hope that this will make DH courses harder and more tech. to stay true to DH and leave the easy courses for enduro races where they dont need balls just lungs. After all everybody likes to go downhill on their bikes!

As for UCI, USAC and governing bodies............they are just money machines trying to make more money, most of the people involved in these organizations dont even ride bikes they are purely there for the business end.

Just go ride your bike!
  • 6 3
 Yes enduro should be run by the same people as DH, 4X, and other XC events, however I'm really not a fan of UCI nowadays.
  • 1 0
 The UCI rammed its dick up 4x's ass, l still hold that against them
  • 2 1
 Can't bame them for dropping 4x really , it never turned out to be MX on mountain bikes like promised , slow tracks , small jumps and maybe 1 over take per heat if you are lucky ( unless some one crashes ).
  • 1 0
 Its no different from XCE really, and nobody complains about that? i don't mind watching the 4x to be honest
  • 1 0
 XCE is retarded. Everyone complains about it. 4x is way different from it
  • 1 0
 4x was awesome, its not like MX.....GOOD it's something different, good tracks had plenty of passing opportunities and it was exciting to watch, they just couldn't find the right balance of trail.
  • 1 0
 Wasn't the problem with 4X that they had to build purpose made tracks for each event, on the whole, which were then removed after the contest? That was the problem at World Cup level anyway. 4x is a great discipline but it needs a lot of funding to build dedicated tracks, which is probably why Enduro has come to the fore very quickly i.e. use what is already there.
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 Was not aware that the tracks were scrapped after. That's stupid. They keep the dh trails, they should keep the 4x as well. I thought the big issue with wc 4x was numbers and interest, it just wasnt pulling in enough support. I know there were big debates about tracks at the end where they could never get it right between been too rough to been too smooth.
  • 3 0
 "The UCI is best equipped to control enduro world wide"
This is a joke answer right?
  • 5 0
 Fuck the UCI.
  • 1 0
 I want to see more Enduro specific gear,
Because everything is either too heavy or too light.
The helmets that are coming out are amazing but why keep it at that?
Maybe some enduro specific goggles?
  • 1 0
 Downhill courses need to go back to being proper downhill courses. Too many flat sections, groomed berms and park style sections. More roots, big rock drops, steeps!
  • 2 3
 Honestly, im undecided. I almost agree with UCI governing pro races only but im not exactly FOR UCI. I like that there are really technical courses but you have to see it from a beginner to intermediate riders level. These courses are pure downhill courses. This is really intimidating for the average weekend warrior looking to race. I personally would prefer it but i wouldnt have said the same two years ago. I dont know. Whatever the choice is,i dont want it to push the recreational rider away. They consist of probably 80 percent of the entries of most races
  • 1 0
 I agree with you. The fact that we (and a small % of people) could ride and enjoy technical courses does not mean that the biggest part of the participants will be able to ride, and enjoy, a downhill-oriented technical course. I think enduro should be more about enjoying the ride in a race environment, about epic venues and long descents. That every participant leaves the event stoked about it and about how much fun they had riding the course and racing in their category (so, 100% of coming back next time). Of course you need to add some level of technique and difficulty, but it does not need to be WC style.
  • 4 1
 Perhaps at the weekend the warriors should go and practice riding the type of course they will be racing. Rather than find it un-enjoyable and intimidating on the day?

If its not very technical surely its going to be pretty flat or have long climbs and it may as well be an xc race, which is what you are both describing.

Enduro races should be something you have to be strong and technically skilled to endure. They arent called relaxos or chillos after all.

f*ck the UCI.
  • 1 0
 They arent called relaxos or chillos after all. Like!
  • 3 1
 enduro must have a little bit of DH and XC... trails with with technical Dh parts, flat parts, and small climbs...
  • 3 0
 wheres the f*ck UCI option?
  • 1 0
 No UCI please!!! Here in Brazil the national confederation only cares about road and xc and give loads of sh.t to DH. Mtb must be independent.
  • 1 0
 The sport should keep and race both styles of courses. Formula-1 races at Monza and Monaco, Spa and the Hungaroring. There is a place for both.
  • 2 0
 meh "entitled governing body" they can kiss my ass...lets ride Wink
  • 2 0
 FUCK the UCI.. haha nothing but ribbons, legal jargon, and red tape
  • 1 0
 how can the UCI (or other organisations) take over race series run by independent people?
  • 3 0
 by bullying and getting the police to stop them happening, using lack of insurance and medical staff as an excuse. as soon as UCI take this over they will impose all sorts of stupid rules that mean most of us wont be able to race because we dont fit thier arbitrary criteria, and they will disqualify or penalise any pro or semi pro for riding indies. Ive seen it before in the 90's and it will happen again unless enough people stand up to them.
  • 1 0
 I recon UCI Rule 1.2.019 could be challenged using ECHR Article 8 (which protects a person's right to earn a living and provide for themselves and their families). obviously that would not apply to anywhere but Europe.
  • 2 0
 The UCI and most national governing bodies can ban their members from riding non-sanctioned events. Also, UCI claims ownership to all cycling events that use the names world Championships, European Championships and most major Champs in key countries and continents. They win by dividing athlete and sponsorship loyalties within the sport in question and by sanctioning competing events, and then conquering by offering a big-daddy will take care of everything solution to key players, knowing that the rest of the sport will then grudgingly follow.
  • 1 0
 ya rc the uci is the 'cartel' of bicycle racing. Now that enduro is successful the uci wants their cut. The cost of doing business is going up next year. The cost of hosting one of their events is very high. Thats why there was only 6 world cup downhills this year. money.
  • 1 0
 I am not pro UCI, in fact I blame the UCI for failing to address the doping culture in cycling and leaving itself open to bribery and corruption. However, the UCI can do some good too, including bringing sponsors into the sport that might otherwise not be associated with it, getting greater tv coverage and improving courses/facilities/safety. The other thing, there is a new president at the UCI (Brian Cookson) who is much more involved in the grass routes levels, which can only be a good thing for the future. That all said, with the UCI's involvement Enduro could lose it's essence, which would kill it for the majority.
  • 2 0
 It will become "Real mans XC !"
  • 1 0
 Did this really need to be a poll? I'm pretty sure I could have guessed how most Pinkbikers would respond...
  • 2 0
 Chris Ball! that's who does things best.
  • 1 0
 Baller all the way cant go wrong!
  • 1 0
 Lol at the undecided option.
  • 1 0
 come ride Cumberland bc and I will show u bc style enduro .fuk euro shit
  • 1 0
 well that was an incredibly biased article for a "poll"
  • 1 0
 Just say no to the UCI
  • 1 0
 i hate the UCI
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