The Havoc Carbon bar not only felt like home for our hands as soon as we put it on, but more than one tester also claimed that he could feel an improvement in stiffness, despite coming straight off of a much heavier aluminum bar. Is the difference enough to actually improve the handling of your bike? The answer to that question likely depends on how aggressive you ride, but there is no doubt in our minds that there is certainly a rigidity gap between other aluminum bars we've used and the Havoc Carbon. It's comfortable, stiff and light, but it certainly isn't as idiot proof as a run of the mill aluminum bar. Easton recommends using both a torque wrench and a carbon friendly friction paste during installation, and it is well worth spending a few minutes to make sure that there are no burrs on any of the aluminum control's clamping surfaces. Our single complaint stems from having our brake levers rotate a little too easy when crashing, even when tightened down quite snug. Having them rotate from a crash isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the marks that the clamps left in the bar's clear coat certainly are, even if they weren't deep enough to compromise the bar in any way. Despite the slippery surface, the Havoc Carbon is still one of our favorite bars due to its light weight, high stiffness and great comfort. - Mike Levy |
Despite their flat, wide shape having us believing that they would be quite flexible, the bright yellow Michelin levers are surprisingly stiff and as flex free as other more substantial levers. The shallow hook at the end of the lever easily forced its way under even the most stubborn of tire beads, and their underside features a shape that helps to keep them from sliding in or out on the rim wall. That same shallow hook was also a great help when struggling to put on overly tight tubeless tires. Yes, we're well aware that every tubeless tire manufacturer loudly exclaims to not ever use a tire lever during install, but some rim and tire combos are nearly impossibly tight. It's in those times that the Michelin lever, with its shallow hook, can be used to lever the bead over the rim wall without worrying if the end of the hook is going to pierce the wheel's tubeless rim tape - it's short enough that it can't reach, unlike most other levers. Their only letdown is the lack of a proper hook opposite the business end that would allow you to fasten them to a spoke and free up a hand to work with another lever. Despite that omission, the Michelin levers have a permanent place in our bags and in the workshop. - Mike Levy |
We've had great luck when using Stan's rim tape for both tubeless conversions and use as a standard rim strip. The adhesive backed tape is immune to shifting in the rim well and exposing a hole, something that will quickly cause a puncture. The yellow tape is also incredibly light, with our scale saying that a single rim's worth weighs just 7 grams (standard rim strips can weigh as much as 50 grams). While many readers won't care about the grams saved, you can think of the subtracted rotating weight as an added bonus to the other benefits. There is no arguing that it does take more effort to install than either a standard rim strip or Stan's rubber tubeless strips, requiring that you give the rim well a good cleaning prior to taping for best results. It also needs to be pulled quite snug while taping, helping to limit any air bubbles that may get trapped underneath. Many riders and mechanics get the best results from installing a tube over top of the freshly installed tape, helping to force it down and adhere better to the rim, before going completely tubeless. Yes, Stan's rim tape is more finicky to install, but the result is a lighter and more reliable system that we've taken to using on all of our personal bikes. - Mike Levy |
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You put tires on with leavers? Don't you pinch the tire doing that?
Nice one PB
Went for the bars though
I downvoted your sub comment because you sound like a knob / idiot / sissy little girl.
nice one
please fit and unfit few dual ply tires with those yellow leavers then repost the review.
since any tire leaver is capable of fitting normal single ply tires even the cheapest poundland ones which im much more happy to use. What i want to know is will these be good for dual ply tires?
i've had 2 or 3 friends who bent aluminum bars vs this 1 guy who broke 1 carbon handle bar and guess what? they all went for aluminum even though it gets consistently bent but don't break.
Good point, I guess if you snapped carbon, alu would have snapped too. With lightly bent alu bars you can still finish your day compared to a snapped carbon bar but then again maybe carbon wouldn't have snapped at all when alu bent. It's just that my bars seem to soak most of the damage when I crash so I'm kind of reluctant a little to spend more than necessary on bars. I guess it can make the difference if it's a good product.
I'm using Funn Full On 750mm versions BTW.
Any impact that'd break a Havoc bar, would decimate an Al bar as well. And while cheap thick wall Al bars do tend to bend in failure under impact loads, thinner tubewall ones, as you typically see at the higher price points (because they're using stronger alloys) typically go straight to the crack failure. And for the whole "well you can keep riding a bent bar", you're insane if you actually do that. If you've bent or cracked a bar, or even crashed it hard enough that it should have bent... you should stop using it immediately and replace it. Because the next time you land an impact with it, you might not get lucky and survive the crash that follows.
Oh and I replace my components when I find out their damaged, but it's always fun to finish the run if it's not too bad. Having had a stem unpredictably snap when landing a gap teaches you to not f*ck around with that stuff, especially if it's steering related.
As of 2008, every bike or bike component sold in Europe has had to be tested and pass rigorous standards to not only be sold, but also to avoid penalties for non-compliance in some countries.
www.cen.eu/cen/News/Spotlight%20on%20standards/Archive/Pages/Bicycle.aspx
Unfortunetly as its a government regulating body, they don't actually make it easy to find the standards they test for online, and the services which do the testing charge money to do so, so they also don't make it simple to find out what criteria you have to pass publically. But meeting the standards benefit every company that wishes to do business in europe as the euro-market zone accounts for 70% of worldwide bicycle industry sales.
Tested that warranty out ealier this year when my very old, very beat up CNT DH's snapped in a crash. Easton sent me a pair of these, no questions asked beside showing the proof of purchase for the old ones, well pleased so I was! Bet no other company would replace a seven year old set of bars for free.
And regarding the tire levers, I am 100% positive that there are many tires, both xc and dh, that would require YOU to use tire levers. And here's the thing, even if you can do it without, many others can't. Nearly every single post you make seems to be overwhelmingly negative. I sincerely hope that you are only this gloomy when behind a computer, otherwise life must be very weary for you.
I used to work for the original Stan's UK importer, and we actually stopped bringing in the Stan's yellow tape and switched to using "Roval" tubeless tape (Specialized) which was 5x cheaper and much stickier, making installation easier
I don't bother with any tubeless tape for my tubeless conversions any more...wrap quality electrician's tape 2-3 times around the spoke bed before mounting the valve unit
never had any issues with installation, or long term sealing, using common electrical tape