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Dec 16, 2011 at 6:00
Dec 16, 2011
by Richard Cunningham  
 
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Pivot ISCG-05 Chain guide Adapter Plate

Pivot Cycles adopted Shimano's non-threaded PressFit bottom bracket system at its inception. Pivot's mid-travel trailbikes lack ISCG chainguide mounts and without threads, customers who wanted to retrofit chain guides were left in single chainring limbo. Pivot responded with a trick looking aluminum adapter plate, which we have often written about - so we thought we should show it to you. The machined aluminum adapter plate nests into the frame and clamps securely around the bottom bracket shell with a single 6 millimeter allen screw. The adapter costs $68 USD and fits single chainring guides. The ISCG-05 adapter fits all aluminum Pivot Mach 4, 5, 5.7 and 429 models with PressFit bottom bracket systems. We mounted it to our Mach 5.7 test sled and used an MRP chainguide with a 34-tooth MRP sprocket mounted to a Shimano XTR dual ring crankset. Pivot Cycles

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Pivot's ISCG-05 clamp-on aluminum adapter plate is relieved on the inside face to index into the frame. The clamp-on arrangement is necessary because Pivot's trailbikes use a PressFit unthreaded bottom bracket shell. A look from below the bike shows the single pinch bolt that fixes the plate to the frame. The finished product looks quite nice on the Mach 5.7.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesInstalling Pivot's ISCG-05 plate is not too difficult, as long as you understand the basics of removing a crankset and installing a chain guide. The plate is a tight fit around the bottom bracket shell and it is recessed to stop against the fixed derailleur mount. Slide it on as far as it will go until the plate contacts the flats of the front derailleur mount, and then rotate it clockwise until the recessed part nests against the frame. Cinch it up with a 6 millimeter allen wrench and you can mount the chainguide. Our adapter needed no spacers with the MRP guide and required only a minimum of fussing to get the upper and lower guides to remain quiet as we shifted across the entire range of the ten-speed cassette. We are using a 34 tooth chainring, so the Mach 5.7 has a lot of clearance. So far the plate is still where we left it, and we have yet to bash the guide to the point of destruction. Not all was perfect in OZ, however, a tiny piece of weld blocked the adapter plate from lining up perfectly - and while we initially got the MRP guide to work, a call to the Pivot factory helped us troubleshoot the adapter situation. We filed a little bit of aluminum from the plate to work around the trouble spot and were good to go. Pivot said that they have been installing the plates without trouble at the factory, so we must have gotten lucky. - RC



Caffelatex Tubeless Tire Sealant.

Effetto Mariposa's Caffelatex has been around long enough to prove itself among the tubeless tire set. The synthetic latex based fluid looks like a flavored coffee drink, but it doesn't taste anything like one. A foaming ingredient added to Caffelatex is said to suspend the tire sealant closer to the outer walls of the tire where it can seal punctures faster. Perhaps a more important benefit is that Caffélatex's maker claims that its formula is not harmful to rubber products like some alternatives, and in fact, the stuff has been embraced by tubular tire users on the road to protect thin natural rubber tubes. A 250ml bottle costs about $10 USD. Cantitoe Road

Tire sealant
Looks like a coffee drink, but it tastes pretty bad. Caffelatex is the only sealant that can come close to Stan's

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesAfter using Caffelatex in a number of tubeless tires, the verdict is that the sealant is good, but not great. Where Caffelatex seems to rule is in desert situations where one may get twenty needle punctures in a single ride from various cactus and thorny plants. Where Caffelatex loses ground to the industry benchmark sealant (Stan's NoTubes) is when the holes get larger. When damage like stone bruises create larger leaks, it takes Caffelatex a lot longer to stop the hissing. Cross-Country racers like it because they claim that the foaming action means that they can use less sealant and thus run lighter wheels. Remarkably, I was forced to run tubes on a desert epic, so I squirted Caffelatex in the tubes before I installed them and did not get a single puncture in six hours. Not as good as Stan's, but certainly a worthy alternative in a pinch. - RC



Jagwire Ripcord Derailleur Cable System

Cable is cable and housing is housing, right? Well, maybe, but Jagwire makes truly quality cables and housings in a number of colors. The selling points are Kevlar reinforced housing, Teflon coated wires, and the company's special L3 liners - and the kits come with a multitude of sealed endcaps, anti-frame rub O-rings and other dodads that make re-cabling your derailleurs instead of riding seem like a good idea on a Sunday morning (well, maybe not). Jagwire Ripcord cable and housing kits sell for about $34 for two derailleurs and come in twelve colours, including smooth or woven finishes. Jagwire

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Lots of colors mean you can match your components or accent your bike. Jagwire's cable accessory kit is second to none. The derailleur cables are coated to keep them happily sliding in their Kevlar-reinforced housings.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesIt's tough to beat Shimano at the cable and housing game, but Jagwire comes pretty darn close - which is a good thing, because Shimano makes such boring colors and Jagwire makes such wonderful looking stuff. I have had two Jagwire equipped bikes and both were the last cables and housings I needed to use. Where Jagwire may not be the best is if you have tight bends in the line (like with an internally routed road bike). In this situation, the plastic liners can be a little draggy. That said, it's pretty rare to find a mountain bike with such poor cable routing these days, so it's thumbs up for Jagwire and to the end of gray and black, for a while at least. - RC



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67 Comments

  • + 19
 why doesn't pivot simply just have iscg tabs on their frames like everyone else seems to have. not all bikes with press fit bb's will have the same exact thickness of the outside of the bb shell aswell as clearance. so it seems this product is a little more specific to pivot cycles. aside from that it looks hella ugly. guys probly just forgot all together about iscg tabs and chainguides when designing the bike that they had to make a retro fit afterwards.
  • + 3
 Agree, and take the same advice to Giant on the Reign. Ridiculous. Does anyone know if this would fit on a Reign?
  • + 3
 From what I can tell, Pivot is a somewhat weight-obsessed company. Welding on ISCG tabs would increase the advertised weight by some tens of grams, so they didn't think them important on their short-travel bikes. This reminds me of certain other bike comapnies that still don't spec seat tubes compatible with the majority of height-adjustable seat posts (ie, inner diam less than 30.9mm). For the record, I still think Pivot makes awesome bikes.
  • + 1
 because if you have a front derailleur or a carbon frame its much cleaner and marginally lighter and easier to manufacture without the iscg tabs. Pivots problem is their frames are so well designed depending on how they are built up they can be high end anythings. Not many other companies make a carbon frame with almost 6 inches of travel. I mean you could build a mach 5.7 into almost anything form XC to freeride and have a seriously decent set up depending on how you spec it.
  • + 6
 if you read the article, youd see that it is specific to only Pivot's bikes. they didnt design/build this to work with other's press-in BB's since, like you said, other mfg's BB's are all different
Intense will be releasing a similar bracket for their Carbine too...and it will only work on the Carbine.
  • + 1
 Jagwire cable set straight to crc wishlist... Razz
  • + 4
 Caffelatex dosen't work at all! Tested! Better to use Stan's no tubes sealant!
  • + 6
 @carbonlite "Not many other companies make a carbon frame with almost 6 inches of travel." Really? Really? Are you that out of the loop?
  • + 1
 swearmouth beat me to it.... anyway not using swearmouths topic that Pivot chainguide really doesnt look any lighter than putting iscg frame tabs in first place... they could probably be made of carbon if they tried...
  • + 8
 Cafe latex sounds like a gay bar name...
  • + 1
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  • + 1
 ew. you have forever ruined tire sealant for me
  • + 1
 Using hella up in canada. I like to see that california is seeping over the border
  • + 1
 its hella cold up here.
  • + 3
 haha, I can't believe I said that what I meant was it is a widely adaptable platform depending on the build, and not many other companies do it as well... but now that I think about it there are a lot of damn good looking bikes that fit that description. That is probably the stupidest thing I've said on this site. :S
  • + 2
 Also $68, and i thought my iscg adapter plate for $30 was expensive
  • + 3
 Can you run a Hammerschmidt on the Pivot with the adaptor? I'm sure you can in theory, but will the torque be too much for the one 6mm set screw to handle and cause it to spin.
  • + 1
 From looking at the back of it, there appears to be a big notch that will prevent it from spinning, so I don't think there will be much stress on the 6mm screw. The Hammerschmidt doesn't put a tremendous amount of force on the ISCG tabs. I had a tab adaptor plate (the adaptor that comes with e-thirteen chain-guide) welded onto my aluminum freeride rig to run one, and I've had no problems after two years of hard riding.
  • + 1
 just out of couriosity, i never really heard of a hammerschmidt. what is so special about them that makes them different than other cranksets? i looked at some pictures in google and it appears that there is a cassette in the crankset? can anybody explain any further how they work?
  • + 1
 Bikeracer 28, Hammerschmidt is a dual speed crankset - one chainring provides two ratios 1:1 and 1:1.6 (similar to 10 teeth change on the front rings). It is also an inbuilt chainguide/bashring.
  • + 1
 i think i get it now. thanks
  • + 2
 I have jagwire cable on almost all of my bikes. The only time it doesn't work well is around a tight bend such as the chain stay to top tube on a suspension bike. The length has to be spot on to work well. Goodridge cables are better in this regard. They require their own branded stops because the diameter is larger than regular cable. I have used Clarke's cables from CRC and so far so good. Similar to the jagwire, but cheaper ends. Only a few months use so far though.
  • + 1
 Really surprised on RC's take on CaffeLatex... In every situation I've used it's head and shoulders above Stans, both large punctures and small... and particularly at high pressures in road tires. It's also notable that only CaffeLatex won't void the warranty on an expensive set of tubulars...
  • + 1
 i absolutely love jagwire cables there the best u can get! i use them on all of my bikes and it makes a noticeable difference in shifting compaired to regular cables, and they last long! i used to change out my regular cabled every other week but jagwire lasts me all season even in shitty conditions
  • + 1
 I love Jagwire products. I run their DIY Ripcord derailleur kits and Hyflow lines for my Juicy 7's on two of my bikes. Nice crisp shifting, and the lines are sealed up nice and clean. I've never had to relube any lines with their housings. And their hydraulic lines color match the derailleur lines perfect. I have a set of white and a set of silver, and the braided silver has the effect of braided steel lines. Anywho... solid product and they haven't given me any reason to try any other brand. Definitely recommended.
  • + 2
 The Jagwire cables are good, used them before and I have some Goodridge cables and hoses right now. They are about the same. The adaptor might be handy, since I like to ride with chainguides.
  • + 1
 i give PB a round of applause for the products picks, i was kinda considering jag wire kits for my up and coming build but was Leary after some bad reviews from one site(couldnt tell whether the guy was trolling or for real) either much more confident in PB reviews than most others Salute
  • + 1
 Jagwire =/= Gore

I have run Ripcord cable sets in the past and they are pretty nice for unsealed systems, but Gore is still head and shoulders above the competition. Sealed is always better than non-sealed for shifter cables and housing.
  • + 4
 loving all the products! BUY ALL THE THINGS! Big Grin
  • + 2
 I have set up quite a few bikes in the shop where I work with Jagwire products. Almost as good as Shimano, yes. Cooler looking then Shimano, hell yes!
  • + 1
 just been looking into getting a jag wire cable kit thank you pink bike better than the reviews on site such as crc it was a big help
  • + 1
 Shimano is king of cables by a long shot. And those teflon coated cables rub off and turn to goo in your housing, bad. Black works for me.
  • + 1
 Does anyone know if jag wire make rear only derailleur kits? I don't have a front derailleur so I don't have a use for that front kit.
  • + 1
 unfortunately they dont, i have the same problem but there still worth it + it leaves u with some spare cable
  • + 1
 Caffelatex Is the only sealant I will use on my bikes. Great stuff I recommend picking some up from the guys at Canitoe Road!
  • + 2
 +1 for Giant making one of those adapters for the Reign.
  • + 2
 Not a fan of that sealant.
  • + 1
 That adaptor is expensive! Them jagwire cables look pretty nice, might get a set!!
  • + 1
 adapter plate will be twisting with bb. guys think too hard for simple ideas
  • + 1
 I ride singlespeed and tubes, loads for me to read about in this article then... :p
  • + 1
 A $70 piece of aluminium. Lol worthy. Pivot: Boutique American made prices, made in China frames.
  • + 0
 in america you have a bunch of mexican immigrants working on your frames..... I trust the chinese for this more even though aiwan is better
  • + 1
 Jagwire cable outer is rubbish, I say that as I have it and compared to Shimano it is horrible, cracks easy etc.
  • + 1
 i want those cables so bad!
  • + 1
 Someone def needs to make an adaptor like that for my giant trance.
  • + 1
 Actually it's not that hard to make one. You just need to calculate the dimensions and it can be made easily on a turner machine (I think that it's called like that). Smile
  • + 2
 i'll take one for my giant reign!!
  • + 2
 its a lathe, and yeah no problem! if you have a lathe...
  • + 1
 Yeah i don't have a lathe and really am too lazy to actually make one.
  • + 1
 But there are people who make stuff with a lathe for money. lol
  • + 1
 right hand side unscrews to the right
  • + 1
 Does anybody mix Stan's AND Caffelatex? Best of both worlds?
  • + 1
 I did, though not intentionally. Ran low on Stan's, decided to try something new that I could also squirt into the tubes of bikes that I don't run tubeless, and just used up the rest of the Stans in my mtb tires. The rear didn't inflate with a floor pump, so I added some caffelatex, and that helped it. The front tire inflated fine and I did the stan's shake, but it lost a lot of air overnight. I put a small amount of caffelatex in the front and now both tires are pretty much zero maintenance with tire pressure. No air loss overnight or anything. These are non tubeless tires on a non-tubeless rim (old Edge rims). In theory, it should be the best of both worlds. Working so far for over 150 miles now since I did it.

The tubes I injected Caffelatex in had multiple holes in them from goathoads (injected it even though the tubes don't have removable cores) and working better than ever. F slime and thorn resistance tubes or converting my other setups into tubeless. Caffelatex is my go-to solution to flat resistance now. Also great for tubeless conversion and tubeless ready tires, as it makes initial sealing super easy, no stans shake really needed.
  • + 1
 Best product picks yet. I like all 3.
  • + 1
 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!
  • + 1
 Where can I get a iscg adapter for press fit bottom bracket for giant?
  • + 1
 The tubeless tire sealant looks like eggnog.
  • + 1
 if thats eggnog hat are all the blue bits?
  • + 1
 Sprinkles?
  • + 1
 lol works for me, must be some american tradition for sprinkles to be in eggnog though
  • + 1
 none of the above?!
  • + 1
 nice that cable
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