Ryan Berrecloth and his Magura Brakes.

 Having to use shims is a big NEGATIVE in my book. How about designing adjustment into the caliper?

 Because shims just work. I can shim your brakes in 2 minutes, so time is really no issue. Adjustment in the caliper would ad unnecessary complexity and still not be as acurate. I'd rather invest 2 mins have have a troublefree brake for years than save 1 min and have to realign my brakes every now and then.

 I agreee!

 Sorry, the biggest factor is braking force, not the coefficient of friction. If you are going fast on steep terrain, v-brakes aint gonna cut it...

 That's basically what I was getting at. I've been wrenching for the better part of my life and the Maguras are always the problem children among our customers' brake choices.

 I think you mean "the best of the worst."

 nah, the best of the best. never had anything better. my Elixer CR's pale in comparison

 Then your Elixirs aren't set up correctly.

 Not to break your bubble or anything but Elixers are loud, cheap, decent brakes. Gustavs are unstoppable and controllable. End of story.

 On the contrary, I set up a pair of Elixir CR Mags not 2 hours ago and they are cherry.

You're right about one thing regarding the Gustavs though: they are "unstoppable," as in "they won't stop you."

 You're the first person I've ever met to claim that Gustavs don't have power.

 I'll concede that they do have some power. I was more interested in making fun of your use of the word "unstoppable" in a discussion about brakes.

 As to say something bad again about some stuff as I use to do here all the time I would say that the bad thing about Gutsavs is that they have too much power. They're great friends of all disc burners, 3" Gazza lovers or those who just like to have nearly no fading. However... just hit the slippery steep with dry tyres with these brakes and taste the lovely feeling of front wheel locking all the time mmm. If in the 99% of riding situations on 99% of bike park tracks, brakes like the new XTs or Elixirs fade so much that U can't hold the bars any longer - then clearly: it is not the problem of brakes but ones riding skills. If Ur from Champery and can't ride anything else than the WC track then maybe U need Gustavs.

 I never said I thought Maguras were the best. I'm a Shimano/Hope rider; I was just disappointed with the job Avid did with the Elixirs.

 I think Elixirs are nigh perfect. The only shortcoming (as it is with every Avid brake) is their tendency to fade if you store your bike vertically. A few pumps of the lever clears it right up, though.

 "You're the first person I've ever met to claim that Gustavs don't have power." same with me. ive never heard that before.

 ... ive never heard that gustav's dont have power.

 or any hayes brake

 ummm, the magura was the most worry/maintenance free brake i have ever owned. never had to bleed them, ever!

 Hum, at the shop we had to bleed some once...ha, we we're so pissed off at them after a while we almost gave the customer a new pair, but yeah, they we're old, maybe the new ones aren't as bad.

 Are you drunk? Magura brakes are awful. Every one we've had to bleed has taken at least twice as long to get right as any other brake on the market.

 ya i have to agree magura brakes are very hard to bleed. they're good brakes but not very user friendly

 that's the old ones. the new magura's bleed exactly the same as shimano's. if you can't bleed them, then you're a pathetic mechanic and shouldn't be at a shop.

 They're not hard to bleed, but you have to bleed them so many more times than Shimano or Avid to make them feel decent, and in the end they don't feel as solid as something like an XT M770.

 Maybe they are powerfull... but they are ugly as my a**

 SICK END OF STORY

 place looks like the hills have eyes. but the red knolly is sick

 I want that trail.

 brought to you from the cutting edge in motocross. They are easily up there with the good avid, hope, saint, and formula brakes forsure.

 I like chilling with ryan wayy more then his brother... he's so much more down to earth..

 I'd never use Magura brakes again - Not after my HS33 lever snapped in two places when I slid it up my bars the first time fitting, then after complaining, Magura replied with an email basically telling me to f*ck off because their products never break!

Might add this was with the pinch bolt completely removed, it wasn't at all a case of over tightening.

 sounds like that sucked

 Pretty much. Still rocking the HS33 calipers, but got a beautiful Echo lever on my bars now Oh so much nicer - sooo crisp!

 I love the wood section, perfect trails

 What were the models and how long ago was that? 7-8 years ago I'd agree with you, but today's brakes are so strong and easy to work with.

 probably because u tried Julie's or something. the new ones are amazing

 i tried some louises and i had a julie for a little while. They were both used so granted they may have needed new pads or something, but even then they had no power at all, i mean less than i would expect for something that may need new pads. I'm an avid lover, pure and simple.

 I have magura gustav's, and the only problem's I have had with them is the floating calipers need to be cleaned every few weeks, and there heavy. other than that, they have good modulation and power, and they look awesome.

 sam, are you high? i tried magura julies with 6 inch rotors when i had hayes nines with 8 and the maguras were way stronger and felt better

 yea really sam, i dont think that you have ever really tried them if you say they all suck...

 if you don't believe me have a look through my photos. I've tried both magura and hayes and they were both crap IMO. I much prefer avid.

 i prefer avid too, but i definitely think magura was pretty nice

 dude avid sucks balls u have to bleed them evry half year and its hard to bleed no id use maguras or shimano even tho i ride strokers... but defenetly no avid!

 avids are easy to bleed if you do it properly, and i don't mind having to bleed them every so often if it means better performance, and they perform!

 wow, saso, thats complete bullshit. i have owned my elixir r's for about half of a year, and thats riding almost every weekend at northstar for 8 hours a day, and a week at whistler. i havn't had to bleed them at all. my friend had to bleed his juicy sevens and he did it in 5 or 6 minutes and they felt super solid. im not saying shimano or magura suck, im just saying avid makes great brakes, and i wouldnt even talk about great brakes if you ride strokers.

 i have had to bleed my Juicy 3's and Code 5's a few times this season. though Avid does make it really fast and easy to do so. I have only ever tried a set of Marta's on a demo bike but they felt really nice. Magura also has a 5 year leak warranty. plus the fluid they use is friendly to the environment and won't eat away at your paint if spill it.

 they are awesome, i rode them for a season and i loved them

 song anyone?

 it's brother ali, not sure which song. but he's sick so just go buy his album

 It's Truth Is off of The Undisputed Truth.

 From all the magura brakes i have seen they look tacky and plastic. Some people saying there good i imagine if theres a shimano brake for the same price and quality but better looks they'll buy them.

 Typical... "OMG ITS PRETTY LETS BUY IT!" Maguras are fine. People just prejudge them by the other stereotypical comments from "T3h internets11"

 Like I stated further up the page, my HS33 lever snapped in 2 places as I was sliding it up my bars first time fitting, with the pinch bolt completely removed. Magura weren't exactly helpful either, I think arrogant, unfriendly and cheap are 3 things I would associate with the company, staff, and their products.

 Ye i readed your comment above. It sounds just too odd to be true, i would think about mistake made by user. BUT i wouldnt start a campaign to say all maguras suck... It definately was a bad one, and mistake was made up at the factory. Did you talk to the people at magura or UKs magura dealer or somesort? You know how different people can be...

1 more note, HS-33 is as old as i can remember. It might be still the best rim brake around even today! Why would every single trials rider without disks being using them?

 Because its also about the only hydro rim brake on the market unless you want to spend more than twice as much on a CNC'd echo brake. I spoke directly to Magura in Germany about it. The material they use is extremely poor I might add, same as you get in really cheap square taper crank arms that round off after a week or two.

The guy who replied to my complaint said that their products were so good that it couldnt possibly have been poor manufacturing/materials and that it was a case of overtightening. Well as I stated, this was before I had the lever in place, I had the pinch bolt completely removed, I was merely sliding it up the bars and the f*cker cracked in two places.

i'm not trying to start a campaign here at all, merely stating a point worth considering before kids think Magura's are amazing just because theres a neat video to go with what is essencially an advert here.

How people can trust a company that thinks theyre some sort of biking prodigy with perfect products, I have no idea...

 liveless- Are you going to buy a brake with works amazing, looks amazing and costs the right amount or A brake which works amazing, looks shit and cost the same as the previous... I know most people would make up there minds on which one to go for pretty easily on that.

 Olynch, im gonna buy the best possible brake in my budget, like most would do =).
And Bunkey... I quess it's no worth to say anything anymore, since you just wipe my text all over and copy paste the previous statement you just did.
OK, no props for customer service! But still 99/100 brakes work, you just had poor luck. (6kseries aluminium = better than 7k for brakes, because they might take down some beating and crack) HS-33 IS OLD AS SHIT! DON'T COMPARE IT TO MODERN BRAKES OK? Have a nice day!

 Im sorry but your wrong. How is a 2008 brake old as shit? For example: Hope has been manufacturing the M4 in one form or another since the turn of the century, and you're going to tell me that the 2009 Hope M4's are old as shit too? Brake companies review their line up and make changes every season! Just because it has the same name as it did when it first came out all those years ago, doesn't mean it performs the same or is acceptable to be built to the same standards. Forged brakes just can't cut it against CNC'd brakes, Magura ignore this fact and continue to use the same weak materials and yet still charge the same prices as companies producing much better brakes. It wasn't a manufacturing flaw, it was merely Magura making another cheap-to-produce product from weak ass materials! Every single HS33 lever is the same. Another example of poor magura products would be the TCP Adjuster, I'm pretty sure every single trials rider who has owned an HS33 for a reasonable period of time has had to replace that at least once due to it packing up and not working, are they all 'unlucky' batches of brakes too? It's pretty plain to see that Magura's just can't cut it in todays market unless they up their game.

 *TPA Adjuster. My Bad.

 The design is old as shit. GOT IT?

 only as old as any other hydro design HS33 is just a closed hyro system. open bath systems in other more widely used brakes are just as old

 Hs33 LEVER design...

 Haha, I could do this all night

 He also just got into the game... He played baseball while Darren was BMXing and freeriding.