Santa Cruz Carbon All-Mountain Tallboy LTc 29er- First Ride

Apr 1, 2012
by Richard Cunningham  

When we reported on the Santa Cruz 2013 29er lineup, debuted in Sedona, Arizona a few months back, we only told you half the story. The big news at the redrock ridefest was a redesigned Tallboy 29er with a full,135-millimeters of suspension travel and updated geometry with a decided tweak towards the all-mountain side of the handling spectrum. Two models, the carbon fiber Tallboy LTc and its welded-aluminum sibling, the LT, were made available to a select group of journos for ride-testing in Sedona’s unparalleled trail network. Ride we did, and as impressive as the Santa Cruz big-wheel bikes were, we promised not to speak about the long-travel Tallboys until April first. Here is the story.

Santa Cruz Carbon All-Mountain Tallboy LTc 29er
  Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc at the Hangover trailhead in Sedona, Arizona.

Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc Features:

• Rear-wheel travel: 135mm
• Medium, large and X-large sizes
• Frame: Carbon fiber front section and swingarm, VPP suspension, tapered head tube
• 142/12mm through-axle
• Adjustable collet-type pivot bearings
• ISCG-05 chainguide mounts
• Replaceable rear derailleur hanger or Shimano Direct-Mount option
• Aggressive AM frame geometry
• Dropper-post cable routing
• Offset lower link for better chainguide clearance
• Molded seatstay and downtube protectors
• Universal, threaded bottom bracket shell
• Custom-tuned Kashima-coat Fox RP23 shock
• Claimed frame weight: 5.3 pound
• Available as frame and shock, or complete build




Santa Cruz Camp
  Class in session. Santa Cruz Engineer Nick Anderson goes over the reasoning behind the new Tallboy LTc's adjustable linkage pivot bearings and the choice to retain a more universal threaded bottom bracket shell. Dan Barham photo

The Back Story

To say that Santa Cruz was not an early adopter of the 29er would be a gross misrepresentation. A devout long-travel AM rider, Founder Rob Roskop despised 29ers, and his distaste for big-wheel bikes was mirrored by many at the sea-side factory. The key to Santa Cruz’s successful bike line, however, is that most of the crew are mountain bikers and the company only produces designs that the staff wants to ride. So, when employees started showing up with 29ers, Rob caved and set his designers to work on the project that he never thought Santa Cruz would undertake.

aluminum version of Santa Cruz s 130-millimeter-travel 29er the Tallboy LT
  The aluminum version of Santa Cruz's 135-millimeter-travel 29er, the Tallboy LT, shares the same metrics as its carbon sibling and weighs about a pound more. Dan Barham photo

carbon swingarm of the LTc left reveals the minimal used of aluminum
  Santa Cruz showed cutaways of LT frames at the camp. The carbon swingarm of the LTc (left) reveals the minimal use of aluminum - just enough to provide serviceable threads for the link-pivot axle. The aluminum-framed Tallboy LT's bottom bracket showing its ISCG-05 chainguide mount, and hydroformed tubes.

As a late arrival, Santa Cruz had the luxury to ride and evaluate a lot of good 29ers before deciding how its new design should perform. The end product was the original Tallboy – a beautifully balanced carbon-framed XC/trail bike with 100 millimeters of travel, smooth, second-gen VPP suspension and an appetite for challenging terrain. Considering Roskop’s favorite haunt is Northstar-at-Tahoe’s uber techy DH trails, it came as a surprise to all (especially Rob) that the Tallboy became his number one ride. In fact, the original Tallboy was such a confident descender, that most owners were over-driving the suspension and wishing for more travel. The introduction of the LT version of the Tallboy was assured from the outset. It was just a matter of when.



Joe Graney with the Tallboy LTc frame
  Chief Engineer Joe Graney introduces the Tallboy LTc frameset over breakfast. Dan Barham photo

Meet the Tallboy LTc

The all-mountain edition of the Santa Cruz Tallboy feature a stronger, stiffer and about the same weight frame as its predecessor. The curvy carbon chassis sports more aggressive frame geometry and 135-millimeters of wheel travel, which is a lot for a 29er. Currently, the 140-millimeter-stroke, Kashima-coated Fox 34 Float 29 fork is the slider of choice for Tallboy LT series, but its debut was timed to coincide with the release of 130mm and 140mm-travel 29er forks from all major suspension brands to grant Santa Cruz customers freedom of choice. The Kashima-garnished Fox RP23 shock is custom tuned for the Tallboy’s second-generation VPP suspension. Durability and technical performance are job-one for the Tallboy LTc, so its frame is heavily reinforced where it may get bashed around and its component selection and geometry are chosen to showcase technical rider skills. To this end, space is provided in the swingarm for tires up to 3.5 inches wide, and a dropper post is standard equipment.

Offset lower link and ample tire clearance.
  A look below the Tallboy LTc shows the offset lower link and carbon ISCG-05 mounts. On the right, a look over the Maxxis Ardent 2.35" tire reveals there is plenty of space for more aggressive rubber.

Santa Cruz claims the medium sized LTc frame with its shock weighs only 5.3 pounds. At least half of the longer-travel 29er frame’s weight reduction comes from knowledge gained from the conservatively built Blur Ltc and original Tallboy frames. When Santa Cruz began its carbon frame development with the Blur LTc, it teamed up with the most exclusive composite frame maker on the Pacific Rim as its only MTB customer. The duo erred on the side of strength and reliability to ensure their first venture was bomb-proof. Subsequent destructive testing and field reports indicated that the frames could be lightened considerably, which led to new layup procedures and design strategies. To further reduce weight, almost all of the aluminum bits molded into earlier frames to house bearings and threaded pivot hardware were either eliminated or reduced to miniscule proportions in the Tallboy LTc frame. The Tallboy LTc can be had in medium. Large and X-large sizes as a frame and shock only, or as a complete bike in two all-mountain builds that range from $4399 to $5299 USD. Colors are matte carbon or glossy yellow.

Santa Cruz Tallboy dropouts
   (left) The use of a 142/12mm through axle allowed Santa Cruz to reinforce the carbon dropout around its circumference - a far stronger option. The standard flange-type caliper mount (right) produces the strongest carbon caliper interface.

Frame Technical Highlights

Through-Axle: Santa Cruz adopted the 142/12-millimeter through-axle standard for the rear of the Tallboy LTc, which is considered by 29er designers as a must for lateral stiffness at the rear of the bike.

Suspension upgrades: Its dual-link VPP suspension runs on easily adjustable angular-contact bearings. The upper link is carbon fiber and the lower link is aluminum. To make room for derailleurs, chainguides and crankset options, the lower link arm has been offset to the left. The two Zerk-type grease fittings on the lower link are now recessed to eliminate the possibility of bash damage.

Chainguide mounts: Single-chainring riders will herald the Tallboy LTc’s ISCG-05 chainguide flange, and part-swappers will appreciate that the bottom bracket is a universally adaptable threaded type.

Single-ring adaptability: Another conservative switch was from an integrated front derailleur mount, to a standard band-clamp-type. Santa Cruz media hound Michael Ferrentino explains that the clamp setup offers more options and looks better for derailleur-free single-chainring drivetrains.

Cable routing: The Tallboy LTc’s cable routing is clean and intelligent, with faired-in guides throughout, including a pathway for a dropper-post housing.

Shimano and Santa Cruz show prototype direct-mount rear derailleur system that looks bomb proof.
  Shimano responded to frame designers' requests for a stronger derailleur hanger system that was better suited to through-axle rear ends with a direct-mount option. The actual mount is supplied by the frame maker and it replaces the floating B2-link on Shimano's 2012 Shadow derailleurs. This triptych view shows a prototype derailleur with Santa Cruz's direct-mount dropout. Note.that Shimano provided a bare aluminum derailleur knuckle - the section with the limit screws. The direct-mount system is interchangeable with the standard hanger system

Carbon brake caliper mounts: With most frame makers touting that they have integrated post-mount brake caliper bosses, Santa Cruz does a 180, using flange-type rear brake mounts on the Tallboy. Chief Engineer Joe Graney explains that the caliper mounts are carbon fiber with simple drilled holes for mounting the brake hardware. Joe maintains that this is a best-use application of carbon material and that using a threaded insert or threading a carbon post-type boss would cause more problems than bending to present fashion would solve.

Short head tubes: Tallboys, like all 29ers are quite high at the handlebar and when one adds a 140-millimeter-stroke fork, higher still, so its tapered head tube is reduced to the minimum length that can be used with tapered-steerer forks. Head tubes for the medium and large frames measure 3.9 inches (100mm), while the X-large size is only 4.3 inches (110mm).

Geometrey


Geometry: It takes a lot of restraint for knowledgeable 29er designers to choose a head angle that is correct for a 29er rather than picking a compromise, super-slack head angle to satisfy the present mentality of core riders. Larger-diameter wheels cause a bike to react much more slowly to steering input than a smaller 26-inch wheel does, and to scribe a dramatically wider arc when leaned into a corner. Santa Cruz slackened the LTc’s head angle 1.5 degrees from the original Tallboy’s 71-degree figure to 69.5 degrees. In Joe Blow speak, that’s the equivalent of going from a 69-degree head angle on a 26er, to a 67, but with better straight-line performance in the rough. The new Tallboy’s seat angle has also been slackened by about a half-degree, presumably to paste a little more weight onto the rear tire to compensate for the fact that 29ers have longer chainstays on average -17.9 inches (455.9mm), in the case of the Tallboy LT.

Fox 34 Float 29 RLC Kashima fork and Float RP23 Kashima shock.
  The groundbreaking 29er fork, Fox's 140-millimeter-stroke 34 Float 29 RLC with its 34-millimeter stanchion tubes provides the extra steering precision and stability big wheels require. In the rear, Santa Cruz specs a low-leverage RP23 shock. Both suspension components get the slippery Kashima coating

Tallboy LTc Suspension Notes

The Tallboy LTc’s dual-link VPP (Virtual Pivot Point) suspension is designed with a slight falling rate in order to firm up pedaling in the initial stroke, and a slight rising rate in the end-stroke to soften full-travel impacts and landings to flat. A smooth transition between the two extremes in the mid-stroke prevents the suspension from blowing through its travel. Assisted by Fox’s slick Kashima-coated 34-millimeter-stanchion Float 29 fork and Float RP23 shock, the Tallboy is designed to squeeze as much performance as possible from its moderate-by-all-mountain-standards suspension travel.

The choice of Fox suspension for its all-mountain 29er was not a whim. The Float fork and shock have boosted end-stroke compression damping, which helps cover the Achillies’ heel of 29ers. Big wheels can smooth a lot of rough ground, but when the bumps get truly big, or when landing from high places, there is no replacement for suspension. The 29er’s restricted wheel travel due to frame-clearance issues means its fork and shock must be able to soften repeated full-travel hits without bottoming harshly, and Fox has mastered this aspect of suspension damping quite well.

Wish you were here... Sedona near Cathedral Rock.
  Harvesting Sedona's redrock bounty. Definitely a big-wheel paradise. Dan Barham photo

Tallboy LTc First Impressions

Riding the new Tallboy LTc was a familiar experience. The feel is much like the original, with predictable steering, smooth acceleration and no need for excessive body English to keep the bike on line when clawing up or down rocky sections on the trail. Sedona’s combination of smooth-as-silk clay singletrack, square-edged steps and drops provided ample opportunity to judge whether an additional 30 or 40 millimeters of wheel travel was worth two years of development at Santa Cruz. The verdict was not as clear as expected.

The added travel did not make the LTc feel like a magic carpet. Bumps that jarred me on the old Tallboy could be felt through the longer legged version. Drops to flat and G-outs used every bit of the suspension. To its credit, however, the new LTc feels exactly how I wanted the old Tallboy to be – faster uphill, faster downhill and even more capable in the rough.

At 13.4 inches, its bottom bracket feels quite low for any AM/trail machine. And the BB centerline falls over an inch below the axles’ center, which greatly enhances cornering traction. The Tallboy LTc can track a line around a corner regardless of what may lie in its way. In fact, the Tallboy LTc took me from zero to hero when turns magically appeared where I had expected a straight-away descent. Same goes for rolling near-vertical drops, where the big wheels and in-the-chassis cockpit feel always managed an exit with the rubber side down. After a day on the new Tallboy, I got the sense that the bike would cover for me when I hit something that looked iffy, which is exactly how an all-mountain chassis should feel.

The flip-side of all-mountain is that the bike must pedal well enough to tackle enduro-length ascents without tears. Santa Cruz gave the new Tallboy ample firmness in the pedaling department to keep a relatively fit rider’s legs fresh enough to enjoy the descents. I surprised myself by acing some relatively technical switchback ascents, powered partly by ‘new-bike-syndrome’ for sure, but I felt I was boosted through the steeper sections by a nicely balanced chassis that kept the front end planted and steering while I huffed my way up Sedona’s steps and babyheads. Climbing with the shock and fork wide open was best practice for most technical steeps. That said, the extra firmness that the shock’s ProPedal platform lever offered up long ascents was very welcome. The long-travel Tallboy is an efficient climber, and it maintains an uncanny amount of speed on any type of trail, but it understandably lacks the ‘go-for-it’ snappy acceleration of a dedicated XC-oriented suspension bike.

Seb Kemp on the Santa Cruz Tallboy
  Seb Kemp wall-rides the Tallboy LT Dan Barham photo

Technical Report

The Tallboy I spent the most time on was set up with a triple-chainring Shimano XTR drivetrain and Trail Brakes with ICE Tech rotors. The RockShox Reverb dropper post is a must if you truly want to enjoy Sedona’s trail network and, without trying any other suspension package, I will venture that the Kashima-enhanced Fox fork and shock were the best choice for the Tallboy’s moderate wheel travel. I rarely used the big chainring on the XTR triple and sometimes wished for a lower gear. I would happily toss the triple for a more useful-for-29er double-ring crankset with a 38- or 36-tooth big ring and a 22-tooth low for muscling up the steeps.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesPinkbike will certainly have a full review up for the Tallboy LTc in the near future. Until then, the takeaway for Santa Cruz's new all-mountain/trail 29er is good news. Few 29ers feel this good at the outset. Fewer still handle as lightly and nimble in demanding situations - nimble enough that I often forgot that I was on a big-wheel bike. The Tallboy LTc is not going to inspire many to don a full face and mach DH runs and it isn't going to win XC races. The Tallboy LTc's selling point is in the riding. Hit the trail and in less than a mile, the boundaries between bike and rider begin to blur until at some point, there is only speed, effort and line choice. It doesn't get much better than that - RC



Trail riding above Sedona AZ with Satan Dog
  The Tallboy LT in its office. Santa Cruz will have to work hard to create a more enjoyable and versatile trailbike. Dan Barham photo




119 Comments

  • 78 15
 29'ers are an April fool.... I always knew they could not be for real.
  • 13 11
 29"- like the smell of vomit on a warm bus- moving quickly!
  • 3 2
 36ER ??!!!aRE U KIDDING?? Where the hell u find that???
  • 1 1
 doesn't even make sense how someone can ride up that many stairs on a bike
  • 2 2
 I've seen that 36er video before. still just as confused by it as i was originally... WHERE IN THE HELL DO YOU BUY THE TIRES???
  • 20 3
 Obviously this is an April fools article... but have you guys tried many 29ers? If not I would try the new Transition Bandit 29... I am pretty tall and I have never had a bike fit so well. Prob feels like a 26er does for shorter people like most of you 29er haters; perhaps the idea of a bigger bike frightens you that you can't handle it! BTW, yes I DO come from a DH background. It's just liker the skiier vs. snowboarder crap... the ones who hate are the posers! Open your mind and try.
  • 3 1
 36er tires are made for unicycling already but they're all heavy wire-bead casing types, VeeRubber is going to be doing a kevlar foldable dual-compound 36 inch tire for the handbuilder bike market that offer 36ers in the next year though.
  • 5 2
 Does one need to buy thick frame glasses, grow a thin long mustache and drink soy latte, to be allowed to buy a MTB 36er?

I think I would rather jump on a Penny Farthibg straight away and ask Maxxis to make me Minion DHF 2,5" for it
  • 3 1
 you also have to have a special Ipod that plays only pitchfork.com approved music.
  • 3 1
 if you went into a skate park with 36" wheels bmxers would wet them selves ... they call you big wheels if you run 24"
  • 2 3
 it's not a 36er, that guy is just really really small
  • 1 3
 they messed up in the first photo by not rotating the crank before they put the bike on that rock. The chain is all loose cuz they shifted before they took the picture. santa cruz needs to step up their game haha
  • 4 5
 I can't see myself riding a 29er ever.
  • 3 5
 Dhmountain! Use your imagination! Imaaaginaeation, imaginaaaaeetion, imaeeegineeAaaaeetion...
  • 1 2
 What???
  • 4 3
 U wrote: you can't see yourself riding a 29er - then use your imagination to see yourself on it. And watch South Park more often! It's good for you!
  • 1 0
 saw that ages ago but have to admit that it goes smooth
  • 21 3
 $45,399 is truly too much for a bicycle.
  • 4 17
flag Aleksandr15 (Apr 1, 2012 at 2:27) (Below Threshold)
 It's 4 539, not 45 399
  • 8 0
 No shit?
  • 12 2
 And the score is.....Interwebs: 1, Deadpan sarcasm: 0
  • 1 0
 I thought SOP for photographing bikes was always big chainring and smallest gear on the cassette.
  • 18 1
 Dangerous day to believe any newsitem today..
  • 4 0
 yeah, but I doubt santa cruz would design a whole new frame for april fools...
  • 3 3
 if anything is a joke it is the direct mount rear derailur
  • 6 0
 The Niner WFO has been my AM shredding rig for a while and I can't wait to get my hands on this bike. Santa Cruz bikes are not unknown to me...I owned a Heckler and Driver 8 is belongs to my current fleet of two wheelers. I know SC won't disappoint me!
  • 9 1
 29ers r fun and so are 26. Inch bikes I own both if you are still bashing 29ers you r just plain ignorant!
  • 3 2
 Agree 100%. I also own both(hardtails). But would more likely buy another 26 before a 29. I like my 29 more as a rigid SS to rough up on the easy riding the 29 offers. I don't think it's the 29 bike itself that caused the hate, but the ignorant marketing calling the 29 the nail in the coffin for 26. I see the 29 for beginners and taller/heavier riders.
  • 3 1
 i would hardly call 29ers "for beginners" to me its just a preference. some people like the way 26ers feel better, and others like me like the way 29ers feel. i own both a 26er and a 29er (both hardtails) and I'm about to buy a used 26er full suspension. personally, i like them both, but my 29er hardtail is pretty much unrivaled on my local trails as far as performance. its better with technical terrain than a 26er hardtail, and more efficient than any full suspension bike (29ers included). like i said though, its not that one is better than the other. its all just about what feels right for the rider.
  • 2 1
 For a new rider, a 29er anything (even full rigid) is a good choice since they don't need to quickly master all sorts of techniques to clear logs, rocks, stutter bumps, etc that those of us who began with 26ers had to. Of course 26er riders tend to forget this since they already do everything instinctively now, but new riders don't know, and will often find their first rides very frustrating as they stall out / launch over all manner of trail feature that we sail over cleanly.
  • 3 2
 thats just not it at all... i started on a 26er as well, but i chose to switch to a 29er. the techniques for riding well apply to both. yes, 29ers tend to be more forgiving, but that doesn't mean that they will do the work for you. beginners shouldn't start on 29ers, they should start on easier trail.
  • 2 3
 Dude, you're 17... you probably only started riding a few years ago and have never had to teach riding techniques to people. I have. You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
  • 2 0
 The bike does not ride for you! If it makes you smile and think of nothing but the trail you are riding then it is doing its job. 26 or 29 or 650b they are all "fun machines", don't hate just ride and enjoy.
  • 2 1
 deeeight, because I'm 17 doesn't mean I'm clueless... I've been mountain biking for 6 years. I know to a 40 year old that may not seem like a long time, but it's enough time to say I know a thing or two. Don't act so superior. Besides, I have a perfectly valid point. 29ers don't make riders any better. They make riding a little easier. A new rider should start with easier trails on a bike they feel comfortable on, be it a 26er or 29er. What I am saying is wheel size is down to preference, not skill level. A new rider can ride a 26er and an expert rider can ride a 29er. End of story.
  • 4 0
 Looks like a really fun bike even if it is made by people who apparently hated 29" :/ If you don't like 29" don't ride one! Why do you care that they make them? I'm 6'4" and most 26" even in XL felt like I was sitting waaaay on top of the bike and never felt quite right (with the exception of my Demo 8 Smile ) An XL 29" (Spec Stumpy FSR) feels right and gets me back out on the trail and hopefully its the same for other tall guys!
  • 1 0
 I'm 5'8" and been riding 29" since Fisher's 292 came out. Now a Tallboy and just ordered a Tallboy LTc. Small guys benefit too. In New Mexico's rock gardens, they're the only way to go - just like Sedona.
  • 8 3
 This carbon one looks so dialed and thought through such attention to detsils. Such a matured design. Im not a fan of 29ers, CF bikes and Asian production but Daaamn, this shuts me up. Santa Cruz leads the pack!
  • 1 25
flag lyrill (Apr 1, 2012 at 9:29) (Below Threshold)
 that's bs, GT has the best suspenstion out there. All others are crap in terms of trail riding.
  • 2 1
 well... have you seen all those suspension curves put on top of shock curve on VPP? Or on GT , DW-Link, whatever?

I recommend you to look at those of a good single pivot )orange Five, Heckler) put on top of a good high volume air shock like Float RP23? - it's the same bloody thing
  • 2 0
 says the gt owner....
  • 9 3
 i can see the benefits from 29er on xc but i will be sticking to my 26
  • 1 1
 I'm wondering when SC will release a 26inch carbon hardtail. They're on top of the list with the highball carbon, so I'm pretty their 26inch version would be up there aswell, if they make one.
  • 2 1
 They might not bother, the market for 26" hardtails is dying, more so carbon ones. With the component choices now offering a negligble weight difference to a carbon 29er hardtail, most riders will opt for a few ounces to gain the traction benefits. Or for that matter, since 650B are coming on really big next year (a world cup win to start the season certainly hasn't hurt), SC would be better off doing a carbon frame for that wheelsize than for 26".
  • 1 0
 I understand. Thank you Salute
  • 2 0
 That kind of rear triangle with future of 12x142 T/A and offset lower link will be nice upgrade for current SC Tallboy carbon, don't you thing!?
They should made on rear triangle also PM brake mounts ...!? Other carbon frame builders do that already...
  • 2 0
 So, which Ardent is it in the picture? A 2.25 or a 2.4? As far as I know, and doing a quick little search, the Ardent isn't made in a 2.35" width. I'm running 2.4's on my Lenz Sport Leviathan though and absolutely love them.
  • 5 0
 Damn, don't know why but yellow bikes always look so sick
  • 2 1
 People, chill out about the HA, my Rocky Mountain Altitude 29 er has a 70.5 degree HA, drop the seat post and it shreds all but the steepest most technical trails. I love it. I think the Yeti SB 95 is the most appealing 29er out right now.
  • 5 1
 I know for a fact that this is no April fools joke. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
  • 2 0
 Kind of lame of Santa Cruz to hide this bike for so long, lots of people would have ordered it instead of Tallboy... I will be happy with my Tracer 29 but, would have liked Carbon because Carbon is King!
  • 3 2
 I just saw the vid and: "big wheels and long travel turn mountains into mole-hills" - you know SC marketing department, the moment I will skip challenging the mountains, and wish to turn them into mole hills I will stop mountain biking. It will be just too expensive for me to need to go to big mountains to make them feel like mountains. Hehe, it shows our now-culture so well: you come to a shop to buy yourself a first bike and you hear: hey buy that one it's easier to ride on this than on another one Smile How far will such person come in skills development?

Danny Hart rode BMX before he got to the DH, just as many other great riders, he learned those core skills on a small bike. But huh newbies and amaties lust after those big bikes he rides at the moment, get them and silently hope that maybe one day...

Yup the best customer is a stupid customer indeed Big Grin
  • 1 2
 I don't mean that there's something wrong with the bike, it's just a tool for the brain, this one particularly gret looking and fun/performance-promising. But why to degrade it with such BS attractive for lower quality brains?
  • 5 1
 so beautiful. i cant wait
  • 6 2
 I do hope this is an April fools too...
  • 3 1
 69.5 degree head angle is aggressive? gimme a break!
  • 4 0
 ^ For a 29er, maybe...
  • 4 2
 @Imbngtracer yes it is aggressive. too slack head angles are part of the reason why so many people hate 29ers. when the concept was originally developed, the bikes had head angles for the equivalent 26er, and as a result the bikes were cumbersome and slow to react. the article said that the 69.5 degree angle is about equal to a 67 degree 26er.

i know i'm probably gonna get negative props for defending 29ers... and yeah i do own one and i love it!
  • 4 1
 would love to give one a spin down some local tight, steep, techy , jumpy tracks.
  • 1 1
 "Large and X-large sizes as a frame and shock only, or as a complete bike in two all-mountain builds that range from $45399 to $5299 USD."

I mean...the bike looks nice, but $45k for a bike? thats a bit steep...kinda hoping that wasn't just a typo though
  • 5 0
 ...looks nice, but $45k for a bike?

HAHA. No, McLaren didn't build the Tallboy. Typo on the price.
RC
  • 2 0
 Santa Cruz sent me an email yesterday with pricing etc and they are claiming 135 mm rear travel in both models, not the 130 stated here.
  • 3 0
 Ummm, ahhhh, ummmm...Yep! Fixed it. Thanks.
BTW, wonder why someone polished off the graphics on the Shimano rear der in the dropout photos?
RC
  • 1 0
 It is some tricky move of big companies, my girlfriend told me something about it. In Munich one can see next year test drive BMW autos in the city, which are partially covered by huge stickers in order to hide new features and details, though purely cosmetic sometimes. Possibly the same reason for polishing here.
  • 1 1
 It is sad that people have too many bikes 29r is bad enough & 650b and now 36" is just too much, biggest problem is I have too many bikes already with 24" & 26" wheels with out trying any other size. I have looked at building a new back end to fit bigger wheels but frame angles do not work out to allow converting 26 to 29 sad but true
But still want one with a sealed drive
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuWn2ncOp8
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the great link! LoL!
  • 2 0
 Does anyone know the trail that their on in the pic with this caption?

"Harvesting Sedona's redrock bounty. Definitely a big-wheel paradise. Dan Barham photo"
  • 2 0
 weezyb, It looks like the trail to Cathedral Rocks from the main highway to Oak creek. RC
  • 1 0
 Right on, thanks Richard!
  • 1 0
 I rode that trail on my Fisher 292 years ago. Can't wait to ride it on my Tallboy LTc.
  • 3 0
 when you like this bike then watch this video www.pinkbike.com/video/​248007
im just saying 29'' is awensome
  • 3 3
 boohoohoo...29er waaaaahh,...get real,...they have their place in bikedom,...3 x 26,plus one kickass 29ht equals choice and new horizons,...anyways,..goahead and wear a suit and tie,....then get yer baby to rip it off
  • 1 0
 or as a complete bike in two all-mountain builds that range from $45399 to $5299 USD

$45399 USD? sound a bit much for a bike Wink
  • 3 0
 Didn't see a beer opener on the dropouts Frown (my heckler does)
  • 1 0
 Seems like someone was hinting toward something is the article below pic number 7
www.pinkbike.com/news/PB-Road-Trip-Tour-De-California-Part-3.html
  • 3 0
 Can I get one with a Turbo-spoke?
  • 2 3
 All this bla bla bla I ask you this if bigger is better then why do full grown men still ride 20" bmx, because they lime the way it feels. With the 29ers rolling over everything so smooth your lose the feeling of geting in tun with the trail. 29era just seam to make the ride less fun
  • 2 1
 I'd try it. It is way out of my price range but I could see myself owning one of these before I am 65 which is a first for 29r's
  • 2 0
 Looks like Seb and Dan had a good time riding in Sedona!
  • 2 1
 What a coincidence that they promised until April 1st to reveal the tallboy 130mm 29er
  • 2 0
 CAN U SAY NEW DOWNIEVILLE BIKE! ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!
  • 2 0
 First photo, good thing there is no chain tension...
  • 2 0
 nice ride. I like the white one and flat gray with orange lettering.
  • 2 0
 The carbon LT looks much better then the xc versions. Woud love to try it.
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 This is my bike! Is the best bike! Very nice!
  • 1 0
 That beer can crushing in the video is a smooth move. Props to the rider on that.
  • 1 0
 I'm too old to try that, but man...
  • 2 0
 Well, this just made those waiting for the SB-95c to reconsider at least.
  • 2 0
 Anyone read what the weights are built up?
  • 3 2
 carbon 29er, show stopping all mountain bike right here!
  • 2 1
 Can someone explain to me what iscg-05 is??
  • 2 1
 This is my bike! The best!
  • 2 2
 69.5 HA is not aggressive no matter how big the wheels. Santa Cruz- you want aggressive? Look at the Banshee Prime.
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 I am more concerned about the length of the chain
  • 1 1
 Pretty intricate if it is an April Fools: youtu.be/2QxPaLsZZFU
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 Its a brand new carbon rig and they still are using the threaded bb... I duno about that.
  • 2 4
 Those are some fancy hybrids. Where are the full length fenders and racks? lol
  • 1 2
 I have been terminally poisoned! shit!
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