Scott Genius 10 with its 1800-gram All-Mountain frame - Eurobike 2011

Sep 8, 2011
by Richard Cunningham  
Scott has always felt like a European brand, and Eurobike was certainly a comfortable environment for them in Germany. Weight and tech weenies proliferated the halls, forming ques wherever carbon bike makers showcased a lightest-in-class bike or product. It came as no surprise that Scott was on every geek's i-Pad GPS app. After all, this is the bike maker that, a decade earlier, shamelessly sold the first production carbon race-bike to top 10,000 dollars. There is no stopping these guys when it comes to chasing grams at any cost, but someone has to take that lead. If there is one bike that should be on Pinkbike's radar, it is Scott's Genius 10.

Genius 10
To rationalize the Genius 10's estimated $6999 USD price tag, begin with a three-chamber, remote-actuated, Equalizer-2 pull-shock that switches from 90 to 150-millimeters of rear-wheel travel, add an 1800-gram, bare carbon chassis and then pop a Fox TALAS FIT RL 120/150 fork on the front. Keeping things lightweight, is a SRAM X.0 20-speed drivetrain, DT Swiss X15 through-axle wheels and a busload of carbon Syncros cockpit items. 25.33 pounds, says the sticker, and it feels a lot lighter in hand.

Genius 10 details: (clockwise) Angular reinforcements and contrasts, like its minimalist rocker link and the huge box-section around the bottom bracket area of the Scott Genius 10 carbon chassis, reflect the type of no-compromise design we expect to see in a military weapon • Scott's Equalizer-2 pull-shock switches from short-travel, lockout and long-travel modes from a handlebar remote lever • The pull-shock arrangement of the Genius 10 allows for a lighter weight rocker link and a low center of gravity • Scott's carbon rear dropout uses a 12mm through-axle.

Need more suspension travel? Scott's Genius LT 10 has the same chassis, burlied out with 180 millimeters of front and rear travel, massively oversized rocker links, a chain-guide-equipped SRAM X.0 two-by drivetrain, a RockShox Reverb remote seat post, DT Swiss AM 10 wheels and a Fox 36 TALAS fork. Scott puts the LT's weight at under 30 pounds, which is quite impressive. Price: about $7,000 USD.

Gambler WC-10
Gambler
Scott's Gambler WC-10 downhill bike is not new for 2012, but it deserves a look anyhow. The welded-aluminum, 215-millimeter-travel chassis has three wheelbase settings, Fox suspension (40 RC2 Fit fork, DHX RC4 shock), Syncros cockpit items, Shimano Saint drivetrain parts, and DT Swiss EX 500 wheels.

Scott's display of technology was over the top this year, with a sales staff of robots that could speak five languages and regurgitate every statistic of their lineup. When not busy hobbling around the exhibit, the 'bots would congregate on this special platform to recharge their batteries in sleep mode. Scott dressed the 'bots to show off its well-designed 2012 off-road riding gear.


Check out Scott's entire lineup for 2012, and put your words in a row if you have any thoughts about Scott's light-is-might anthem.


101 Comments

  • 21 0
 That gambler looks like its up for any game you throw at it!!!!!!!!! Absolutly super!
  • 9 1
 except ex500 wheels. they cant take any abuse.
  • 15 65
flag theskidkid (Sep 8, 2011 at 18:26) (Below Threshold)
 scott, just stop
  • 12 1
 what happened to the voltage DH that the coastal crew and all the pros are running? do we have to wait another few years for that?
  • 5 1
 looks like theres a voltage behind the gambler...
  • 2 0
 but thats the fr, not the dh
  • 3 1
 the voltage dh was just a prototype. its not going into production and the gambler is faster compared to the voltage dh anyways
  • 11 2
 @theskidkid, name one thing thats wrong with scott. have you ever even ridden one? you cant talk shit about a bike you havent ridden. I ride an 09 gambler DH, best downhill frame ive ever owned, and i've had a norco DH, a wilson, and a commencal supreme DH. nothing compares to the gambler. It can take so much abuse and it plows through rough courses like nothing. It may not be the nicest looking frame design, but thats not always what matters. And if the gambler isnt up to your standards, look at how many people ride a voltage. In my opinion its one of the best do-it-all bikes out there. Scott is in no position to be stopping, they're putting great bikes out there.
  • 32 0
 theskidkid has a boner for the trek scratch, which in my opinion looks more like an XC bike. He even said a carbon V10 is "junk".

Wait til this kid bottoms out and smacks his vagina on his seat. He'll wish he had a gambler or a v10
  • 3 0
 Gambler= Bottomless bike. And I mean literally, I can't..
  • 3 1
 One thing wrong with Scott bikes. Their full-suspension parts are poorly made, especially on their high-end XC bikes. Look at the links and you'll see poor quality castings with the flashing and all that ugly stuff. Ive never been impressed with Scott's craftsmanship.
  • 2 0
 Lots of DH bikes are spec'ing EX 500's this year. Seems like all the big bike companies are in an arm's race to get their DH bike weights down, but I think that lightweight non-DH rims are going to be a bad trade off.
  • 4 1
 SCOTT is one of the best in the business, And my gambler is the best bike i have ever ridden! My CR1 road bike is lighter and more comfortable than my friends race bike. My next bike will be a genius, I demo'd the LT down the toughest runs at whistler and it felt awesome! I got 3 of my friends onto gamblers, and they'd never go back. If you dont believe me, ill let you ride mine.
  • 3 8
flag StefanGlander (Sep 8, 2011 at 22:35) (Below Threshold)
 7k sounds a bit pricey to me. i could get a new dirtbike for that much
  • 3 1
 And you'd be stuck with a Dirtbike... Personally I wouldn't run 32s on an All-Mountain bike, ideally All Mountain means you can climb to the top of your local trails and then chuck it down your fav DH track in anger without fear of it breaking, not sure I could do that with confidence on flexy 32s.
  • 1 2
 the voltage dh will be in production in 2013
  • 2 1
 tom-cuthbert, yup but it all depends on trails you are riding and how hard can you rip them. I ride Lyrik Uturn only because I want to have a possibility to go to the bikepark from time to time. Otherwise I would be on a 800g lighter Revelation, and definitely not on a 165mm frame.
  • 4 0
 I like the bikes... but those Scott riders are looking a bit stiff and pale.
  • 3 0
 From two, a stiff guy is always better than the soft one - I've been told by the ladies with life experience. So Scott has it sorted out pretty well... my grandma told me that cyclists got it all wrong: women like fast men, yes. But they don't mean how fast a guy is the race run... it's how fast he recovers after the race!

P.S. I tried to keep it on topic as much as possible
  • 1 0
 i know two guys with scott gambler's and at full speed u t-bone a smart car....no more smart car
  • 1 0
 I want to see the voltage behind the gambler, are there any pictures?
  • 9 0
 welded aluminum huh? sounds fancy
  • 6 0
 ^^LOL - my drink almost came out my nose from your comment.
  • 2 0
 It's a new technique they're trying out.
  • 5 0
 The 2012 Gambler does actually see a small but significant change. There is a re-designed linkage as tested and used by the Scott 11 team on the world cup circuit. There is now only one travel position at 210mm but it has been designed to work with a longer 10.5 inch shock (the forward bolt of shock mount is now gone). This results in a lower leverage ratio giving more consistent and reliable damping and the kinematic has been further tuned to work in conjunction with the custom valved RC4 damper. The new linkage also gives a slight geometry adjustment with a lower BB and slacker head angle. The linkage is lighter and there is also weight saved through extra machining and a smaller, 31.6mm seat post. Total weight for the WC10 is 18.5kg or 40.75lb. Not a bad weight considering it is one of the strongest and stiffest DH frames on the market.
  • 6 0
 Lose the granny ring, front mech and shifter and that Genius is even lighter. wont be long till someone at Scott picks up on that... The devious little monkeys....
  • 2 2
 The issue with the Genius and its tension coil is that the rear end is that it sits behind the seat post. To compensate for this the seat post has to be very angled backwards which is OK if the seat isn't very long but when you jack the seat up to climb up the hill the seat ends up way back and it becomes very difficult to keep the front end on the ground. Seems a funny trade-off. After all it is a cross-country/all-mountain bike whihc needs to be able to climb hills.
  • 4 0
 I've been riding a Genius 20 for two years now and the only time you run into Orsumness' issue is when you're in full travel mode. The bike's geometry changes when you choose lockout, traction or full travel mode to steep, less steep and relatively slack, respectively. There aren't a lot of reasons for me to be climbing in 6" travel mode...
  • 1 0
 @Orsumness: A lot of all mountain bikes have that problem right now, with the seat angle too slack. I don't see the point in a slack seat angle at all. When you're climbing you're usually seated and you want a steep seat angle. When you're descending you're standing. So why are we still seeing seat angles 73 degrees? Pointless if you can keep the top tube long enough.
  • 1 0
 I meant that slack seat angles less than 73 degress seem too slack for me, there's an error in my post above.
  • 1 0
 So that when going downhill, if you bottom out off a drop you don't get your balls torn apart by your rear tire.
  • 1 0
 Haha, sounds pretty good when you put it that way. But seriously, my DH bike has a pretty steep seat angle and i never have that problem. If anything there's less issues when you bottom out because there's better clearance between the tire and seat, compared to some other bikes which will make contact.
  • 4 1
 I can't wait for Scott to make a DH bike that's on par with the rest of their stuff. The gambler isn't bad, but compared to their all mountain bikes its miles behind in terms of the technology in it. I wouldn't doubt if the next DH bike they make is carbon, given their experience with it (not starting a rumor here, just think it would make sense).
  • 1 0
 They have a new DH frame in development, the WC team used it all year, apparently there holding off a year to release it.
  • 6 19
flag theskidkid (Sep 8, 2011 at 18:43) (Below Threshold)
 That gambler is junk, head tube looks dumb, looks like its made of more metal than the titanic, and it looks like a crane and bulldozer had kids, ill stick with my scratch
  • 2 0
 Don't diss, all it is, is a an old design, like all the other bikes that helped start DH/FR, its just not an updated design, which they are working on now. I know what you mean, but like i said, its just an old design.
  • 5 0
 Agreed that frame looks heavy with all those cris crossing bars cant even put my drink bottle holder in there ):
  • 8 0
 Ah yes I'm sure the 16 year old "theskidkid" is an expert at all things bike, their market, and engineering. We and Scott should listen to him Rolleyes
  • 1 20
flag theskidkid (Sep 8, 2011 at 19:09) (Below Threshold)
 I'm supporting what I know I've gone thru a gambler, it was shit, my scratch isn't trek vs Scott, trek wins any day, they have 10 engineers from NASA working for them, Aaron gwin is the man
  • 12 0
 No you haven't theskidkid. No need to lie. "That gambler is junk, head tube looks dumb, looks like its made of more metal than the titanic, and it looks like a crane and bulldozer had kids, ill stick with my scratch"

Not only does that comment confirm you haven't ever owned one, you are also basing it's quality off it's looks, particularly the head tube and extra "metal". It can have all the "metal" in the world and doesn't mean it will be heavy. By using different supports in different places, you can make the aluminum pretty damn thin.

Like said, your just another 16 year old saying how a bike rides by looking at a photo... then after someone calls you out, you have said you have owned one, but like said, if you had, your original comment wouldn't have been like the typical PB troll comments.


All the bikes look sick. Always wondered how the Scott pull shocks perform. Would be interesting to see another company try and utilize the ordeal in this modern time (more than a few companies used pull shocks back in the day, so it's nothing new by any means, but it's interesting to see how time has changed the technology).
  • 6 0
 The Scott Gambler looks like a freakin TANK!!! awesome!
  • 1 0
 Another argument on a PB post... I will throw my 2 cents in, and not be a drama queen about it. I think the Gambler is a pretty sick bike. I rode one around a parking lot (not saying that it was a thorough test) but it felt pretty dialed. It might not look pretty, but you have to sacrifice looks for quality, maybe not in all cases though. One of the reasons I like it is that all DH bikes are starting to look the same, as for this, there's no other bike quite like it.

And not to mention, Kyle Norbraeton or however the f*ck you spell his last name rode one of these for bit i believe, and in my opinion, he's one of the best freeriders I've seen. I could be wrong about that but I'm pretty sure he rode one of these.
  • 2 1
 Who's arguing and causing drama?
  • 1 0
 Not you, you had a good point... but I know that there's going to be some on here soon haha
  • 3 0
 I agree on one thing, the Gambler isn't the prettiest of bikes, nor is it any where near light... The Gambler eats up all the gnarly chunder, is surprisingly nimble, and takes big hits like a boss!

Another point: Mike Hopkins(one of the old free riders from Scott) rode the Gambler more often than he ever rode the Voltage...

theskidkid, is full of his own shit, so full that it's making him a judgemental little runt. Even by looking at your profile your saying that the new V10 carbon is junk, I rode one(parking lot test of course Wink ) and I was drooling. My eyes started to tear Wink
  • 2 0
 @ rffr, if i could like your comment 1000 times, i would.
  • 2 1
 rffr Those new Cannondale claymores use Fox Developed Pull shocks, would love to try one of those, the look kick ass.
  • 4 0
 @ theskidkid, stop sippin the haterade and go ride your bike
  • 1 1
 May I ask why exactly you neg propped me SHARK555?

Seems like an odd thing to neg-prop.
  • 1 1
 wow you can see who neg and positive propped you. Sorry, gave you a neg prop just to see if I showed up. Never known that lol. Now I feel old and out of date. And by the way tom, thanks for the comment earlier mate! That Cannodale looks sick! I haven't really paid too much attention to them, but it looks really cool Nice to see new companies using an older idea, but mixing it with new school tech.
  • 2 0
 sorry bro, wrong button Razz
  • 5 0
 all i hear from theskidkid is "looks like, looks like, looks like"... so the frame design doesn't give you or your little friends a boner staring at it, who cares, Scott makes nutty good bikes..!
IF and i mean IF, you actually used to own a Gambler and thought it was sh*t and junk (your words, not mine), then it's cuz it's too much bike for what or how you're riding, or you didn't take the time to set it up properly... these things are for seriously heavy hitting trails..! and no i don't mean a 4' drop to flat by heavy hitting...
Go watch Life Cycles... if a Gambler was "sh*t and junk" then Hopkins would've split that frame in two about a hundred times over in his section...
nothing wrong with Trek, they make great bikes too and the Scratch is one of them, but the Gambler will go places that a 7" scratch simply cannot...
your best arguments are 1. "NASA engineers work for trek" and 2. "Gwin's the man"...
1. What's NASA done for us lately..? and how does space travel aid in bikes..?
Keep in mind that these NASA engineers are working for Trek, which makes them outta work NASA engineers... i'm thinking that your average NASA engineer is too busy dealing with things like space travel than to take a job working on frame geometry...
2. Gwin could kill it on a Scott too...cuz he is the man...
  • 3 0
 Sir, you win. ^^
  • 1 0
 Well button, there would be no carbon, and aluminum used for bikes if the Aerospace industry didn't exist. All these custom grade metals, all these composites, all stem down from Aerospace ind.
  • 1 0
 ^^ true, but something/someone would've came along and invented them for other purposes if NASA hadn't though... same with velcro..!
  • 2 0
 Yup. Someone will always come up with stuff if there is nothing in existence. But the Aerospace industry even to this day pioneers the majority of new materials, fabrication techniques etc. Even with computer related stuff, the aerospace and defense industries basically pioneer the most of it, because they have the need, and the funding. Not many other industries out there where individual companies can spend 100 million dollars on coming up with a new material etc.

Rarely does it happen with "inventions" from lone inventors now adays. Most of the hardcore advances come from mega funding, and mega funding is the key ordeal in Aereospace.

I'll be stoked when a replacement to carbon fiber comes out. Something as bash resiliant as steel, but as light as carbon. You can almost put money on the fact that that replacement will come in our lifetime, if not in the next 20 or so years.
  • 1 7
flag theskidkid (Sep 11, 2011 at 5:09) (Below Threshold)
 Ha, its so easy to make guys on bikes mad, all I can say, is stop fighting with a 16 year old on a biking website, I mean really your life must be pretty boring if you have to look forward to getting home just to get on your Pinkbike to see what's new. All I can say is get a car, get a life, and get laid,
  • 4 0
 ^^ Dude, who's mad..? and who's fighting..? it's a discussion on a discussion forum, no one's fighting... assuming that we look forward to coming home because of pinkbike is a pretty big assumption that's based on nothing that was even said... Being into biking doesn't mean we don't own vehicle's... cars are no fun on steep single track... as for the last bit, i couldn't hear you over my wife and 3 children...
  • 2 0
 @theskidkid. That was the worst argument in defense I've ever heard. You're f*ckING 16 YOU POSH TWAT. You should be old enough to realize that if you say something dumb on the internet where just about anyone can comment on, you're going to get negative feedback from other people. And don't ever use your age in defense. When you mouth off to the wrong person in real life cause you can't hide behind the internet all your life, do you think he's going to give a rats ass about your age? Change your skidmarked panties and shut the f*ck up.

I normally don't butt into "arguments" or "fights", but when you're that dumb, someone has to knock some sense into you.
  • 4 0
 He's just pissed that his mum makes him wear full body armour when riding his trek off 2 foot drops.

m4DcoR3!!/1/1/?!?!
  • 2 0
 hahahahaha yeah true
  • 2 0
 Voltage FR, best value mini DH bike out there!
Genius - awesome trail bike! Buy my old one www.pinkbike.com/buysell/911877
Gambler, unbreakable DH machine. If you want a DH bike that will last you, wont break and still be a fun fast bike.. get one!

Scott are way ahead of trek in Carbon.... hands down, no contest.
  • 2 0
 Costal crew puts a beating on those voltages fr's ..if they were sh*t I doubt any member from costal crew would rock a Scott. Scott have puts out some amazing bikes ..only down side is the price. For the same price I could be riding a Banshee or transition, O wait I am.
  • 1 0
 My thoughts:

If I were to buy a carbon HT, I would seriously consider a Scott. I spent quite a bit of time on the scales and they are VERY good.

I owned a Genius, but honestly was unimpressed. The quality of travel is just not that good, and it was way too steep for a 150mm bike. The DT Swiss shocks need work (the newer one on the LT is a step in the right direction. Curious about the new ones on the updated Spark).
  • 3 0
 gambler looks sweet, and the genius looks supper stealthy and grippy!
  • 1 0
 You pay 7000 for the genius 10 and DON'T get kashima coating???? Also, I can't even tell what is the gambler and what is the bike behind it.
  • 3 0
 good work ohio. Saved us time in searching it. Rock on. And kashima coatings suck. They end up wearing off and cause more problems thereafter than forks that have never had it. It's called uneven wear of the coating. Kashima coatings are only good if you replace your forks every season or two. I prefer to just beat on the same set of forks for 10 years before I buy a new set.
  • 1 0
 ive never been a huge fan of scott bikes but they are growing on me now but i think i will stick with my orange for that exclusive feel and the weight ofcourse
  • 1 0
 Can't wait to see the voltage's! Scott's getting better, might be an option for next year! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 I really want to see the new voltage. You can't really get a good look on it from the gambler pic tho...
  • 1 2
 IMO I hate the design of the Genius. I know its packed full of lightness and technology but I just cant do the looks. Give me a Carbon Jekyll any day if we're doing a pull shock.
  • 7 0
 I swear some people are way too focused on looks. These aren't girls... but then again 75% of pink bike is into girl pants and wearing v neck shirts.
  • 4 1
 I don't know why people keep saying "its not about the looks". Of course its about the looks (and obviously about performance too). Its called aesthetics. Why do chefs try make food appetizing or why does Ferrari make beautiful cars. They could make some tasty slop or pack a sonorous V12 in a Yugo. I don't know about you all but I AM about looks. I like good looking things. Who would you rather get a b*****b from Kim Kardashian or a backwoods 500 pound whale of a female. Stop being so "I'm so hardcore that I only like things that look like sh*t"
  • 5 0
 Cheers on the girls pants and v neck comment.
  • 2 0
 Panzer... I think hes just saying that so many dumb people on pb care only bout looks and base their opinions on that alone.
I do agree though...
BTW....
www.pinkbike.com/photo/3724849
U mentioned girls, i had to...
  • 2 0
 Eeek Paul. She looks a little young. You pedo bear. LOLOLOL =]

And yes, exactly what I was saying man.

And lol Session! Just took a swig of whiskey to that!
  • 1 0
 Shes 27 like me Wink shhhh..... U liked it...
  • 1 0
 lmao!!!!
  • 1 0
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b65mp3O_Fs&hd=1

Scott presents 2012 Line-Up
  • 2 0
 You spelt aluminium wrong.
  • 1 1
 Funny how these bikes never show what's going on down around the BB on the non drive side...because it exposes the fact that they are just a dolled up single pivot POS!
  • 1 0
 7k for the Genius? I want it!
  • 1 0
 thats really not bad for a 25lb carbon long travel trail bike or a sub 30 pound 30 inch bike! I mean think about riding your big bike except it ways under 30 lbs. Thats just ridiculous.
  • 1 0
 yea, like my 26 full XC specialized ways a ton. But I also use my dads 29 scott pro hardtail which is a beast but doesnt have the 180's which you dont need on a hardtail,
  • 1 0
 Thats 11.4KG!!!!! that is insane!
  • 1 0
 anyone know what the price is for the voltage fr 10 is ?
  • 1 0
 Do they still do a Genius Ltd? How much must that thing cost now?
  • 1 0
 scott only makes good googles.. ^^
  • 3 0
 Those mannequins are taking all this far too seriously...
  • 1 0
 I 3 SCOTT.
  • 1 0
 I 4 SCOTT...
  • 1 0
 pretty sick!
  • 1 1
 scott gambler and the same shit every year
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