Sea Otter Pit Walk - What Have We Here?

 this is some 007 shiz right here.

 just a heads up! co2 would put the fire out dude!

 Then we shall use napalm!

 might as well put a NOS .

 I see your CO2 as fire suppressant, and raise you More Fire.

 come on, the CO2 thing is awesome, and it would really work with a twin turbospoke: www.pinkbike.com/news/Turbospoke-Signs-Eric-Lawrenuk-for-2012.html

 i see your more fire and raise it "it so ugly fire will run away from it"!

 lol, just set your tire pressure before you go out to ride. That thing is absurd!

 With the exception of the pivot and the handle bar, that stuff was a joke

 Although complicated and not really necessary .......have you guys not thought of that? air pressure adjustment while riding or racing? I have... off road trucks have it.... it would be very cool to add pressure for the fire roads for fast rolling then drop it down when the going gets rough. Neat to see it realized.... however impractical.

 Dont forget the dog!

 I don't think i've ever ridden a track that blatantly requires multiple tyre pressures.

 so what you do is you bring a pump .... which is probably still lighter than that damn co2 system

 I was looking for a good way to add a good 2-3lbs to my bike, I was going to just slip a dumbbell in my water bottle cage, but that would just be silly, this way I can add the weight, have to rebuild my wheels, stop by a paintball shop before each ride and have 2 more levers on my bar, it's the perfect solution to my problem...

But on a more serious note.....why the Co2? On a cold ride, I think it would be fairly easy to accidentally pour raw Co2 into you're tube which would expand and blow before you realized what was going on.

looks like a 12oz Co2 also, did this guy not know they make smaller ones?
I bet you could inflate aprox. 30 maybe 40 tires with that.

Compressed air tanks are lighter and more consistent, just seems a little silly.

Kudos to the guy, he did a good job, but looks like this system is a far, far way from being something that anyone would consider riding.

 i just LOL'd so hard after reading CrashAB's comment. that CO2 is plain BS.

 front shifter, rear shifter, rear brake, front brake, shock lockout, fork lockout,dropper seatpost control and now tire pressure! I run wide bars and dont think there is room for all this crap! how many hoses and cables does a bike need?

 imagine putting the co2 thing on this
www.pinkbike.com/photo/7489441

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 Actually, as hideous and ridiculous though it may be, for xc racing I could almost see it making sense.. 60 or 80 psi for hardpack sprinting, drop to 30 for climbing, descending, cornering..

 But for xc racing, is it worth the extra 3-4 pounds it looks like that thing weighs?

 No, but its a cool idea. Such a feature would be useful. Like six66 said, hard as a rock for sprinting on hardpack and drop it down for other sections.

 I have a special way of releasing gas on the trail without any fancy gadgetry...

 All that Co2, you'd need an F1 cockpit to: raise your seat, drop your suspension, pump your tires, shift your gears.....wait! Voice command too!...There's gotta be an app for that

 i think its great, we all need a good laugh once in a while...

 i think this guy is a genius with his idea. we spend thousands of dollars on suspension when on a trail so much is down to tire pressure 10 psi can make a world of difference between a sliding and gripping. although the technology is way out at the current point in time. if i just let my imagination go with it..... potentially you could mount the co2 canisters in a cylindrical case that surounds the hub. or instead of co2 it could even just be high pressure air that you fill at home with your track pump. a small tube runs from the hub to the tire. the release of air is controlled electrically from the handlebars. the weight would be rather minimal and the center of gravity would be low. they have electronic brakes now Im sure what i speak of is possible. in the future dh guys could program their tire pressures in advance according to what point in time they reach bits on the track. just imagine what a difference it would have made on a track like south Africa. if you want to neg prop me got ahead but just because it seems pointless right now doesn't mean it always will be !

 make the frame the pressure cylinder!!! put the line to the hub inside the forks!!! make the line from hub to tire look like a spoke!!!! make the headset presurised!!!! put the dials small like the index on a sram x7 shifter!!!! put the switches as small push buttons under the front of the top tube!!!!! THEN YA ON TO SOMETHING!!!

 All your!!!! EXCLAMATION!!! points!!! are kind of!!! irritating!!!

 You clearly!!!!!! Have nothing!!!!!!! Better to do!!!!!! With your life!!!!!! Than to complain!!!!!! About exclamation marks!!!!!!

 CO2 system is sick...get a Scott Ransom with its front / rear suspension remote adjusters, run some 3 x 9 Acros hydraulic gearing, RS Reverb seatpost with remote adjuster, add the CO2 system and you have enough spaghetti on your bars you won't go hungry for some while

 Why are Ellsworth bikes awful, do you have one?

 i do not. but a group of 5 of use rode them at dealer camp last summer. everyone but one of us hated them. they just felt like they werent put together really well, like they were designed on a computer then put into production but never tested. but on a positive note. you felt like you could huck the things down a cliff watch them tumble and the frame would be fine. frames are build like tanks.

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 He has a Transition Dirtbag by the looks of it with a much more sophisticated suspension design.....

 not anymore you floundering nincompoop! i has a gt distortion and kona operator. i just not to bothered about updating my pb

 Oh .........a Kona Operator ......... because that doesn't use the same suspension design.

 Well that's the first iv'e ever heard of someone feeling that way about Ellsworth bikes. I personally ride a moment and it's fantastic, it (the frame) is very well made and I would be amazed if it ever broke or had any issues, I love everything about it. One of my good friend's dad rides for ellsworth and he has several ellsworths, like a dare and a rogue, and I've had very good impressions of those too. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm just curious, what you're saying is you just hated the components on it, but not the frame?

Ps: For the record, i think the rare earth carbon thing is nonsense as well even though I like ellsworth, so no need to really talk about that

 He does'nt know what he is talking about........Ellsworth makes a nice frame.

 Ellsworth have always been like Marmite - Love / Hate relationship mainly due to the guy behind the brand (Tony EW with his less than stellar attitude to paying "customers") and the awkward looking rocker that is key to the ICT suspension (a modified FSR / 4-bar)

They actually ride pretty good if you have spent time on their bikes; although the geometry is getting quite dated (high BB and steep HA) and the warranty support is never going to be as good as the "big brands"

my buddy waited nearly 5 months for a proper replacement rocker for his EW Moment Mk2...

....initially he waited nearly 3 months and they sent him his rocker back "re-glued" where the Carbon Fibre bridge had come un-bonded from the aluminium rocker arms, pretty shady and still making creaking / crackling noises when pedalled, turning or braking


he sold the frame as soon as the "new" rocker turned up, as he bought a Specialized Enduro (2011) during the 5 month waiting period (was going crazy not having an AM bike to ride)

he said the Enduro had better geometry and much better suspension performance, plus you get better backup from SBC?

EW does deserve props for being one of the last North American "manufacturers" although with their move to the CF frame parts, CF hardtail frames and the "Glimpse" complete bike (a Taiwan manufactured Epiphany / KHS clone) it may not be long before they move it all off-shore, which would be a big shame!

 Just because the geometry is different than a specialized enduro, doesn't make it outdated. And how is the rocker awkward? In that case, Kona rockers must also be awkward, as would be a Turner rfx and a ton of other bikes that use similar linkage..in my opinion, you should definitely find out for yourself and not base it off of your friend's experience. Suspension performace depends on the shock, how he set it up, and what he is riding. I'm guessing his enduro came with a shock, and he sold the one on his Ellsworth, so I don't see how you can really say one is better of the two when all the factors are so different. On the carbon fiber, they have been making frames out of cf since about 2009/ early 2010...so what does that have to do with them moving off shore?

 the geo is outdated because its about 1" higher in the BBH and 1-2 degrees steeper in the HA than similar, contemporary models from other brands

if you are an experienced rider you will notice this straight away, my buddy even tried Works Components angle-reducing headset and off-set shock bushings to try and "improve" the geo of his Moment Mk2 before the rocker bridge failed.

EW have also come under fire for the differences in their "published" geometry and the "real" geometry when measured accurately by the rider

the rocker being "awkward" is not my comment, it was a comment many of my customers made, they said other things like "crude" or "agricultural", and this comment has also been made many times EW have featured on PB and other bike websites, or in magazines reviews.

I don't need to find out for myself about EW, I used to work for an EW distributor and personally sold about 100 of their Truth, Epiphany, Moment, Rogue and Dare ICT frame....and have spent a good number of hours riding their bikes including their 29er Evolve

felt pretty pissed off about the way they treated my buddy because I personally recommended and sold the Moment Mk2 frame to him

Suspension performance is a combination of suspension design and shock tune, and if you have followed EW over the years, there has been a big debate amongst suspension tuners and designers about the "claims" made over ICT and the lack of competence EW have shown in explaining how their ICT actually works (many considered the ICT a "fluke" rather than an engineered arrangement), and all the marketing hype EW have pumped out about the ICT (zero-loss suspension??)

regarding their CF, they don't make it, and have never made it, just like their wheelsets and Glimpse full bike (which does not use ICT but is a KHS 4-bar clone frame with a Horst pivot arrangement)...all made "off-shore" in a TW factory

 yeah i knew i shouldnt have mentioned the kona :.D.

 lol, way too much stuff on the handlebar, thank god for 800mm bars eh?

 I think you forgot your lights , it's dark out there !

 and a POV camara

 and a GPS

 And a pink windmill.

..wait, did I just say that out loud?

 Hahaha

 If I had the Adaptrac pressure regulators with all those damn hoses i'd have a new fear of getting hurt while riding......getting strangled to death by my own bike.

 "...getting strangled to death by my own bike." HILARIOUS!

 I'm suprised they didn't choose to showcase the Adaptec stuff on a fat tyred bike like the surly pugsley... seems to me that it would only be of real benefit (at that price/weight/hassle) for switching between snow/sand and hardpack trail

 but lets be honest, when is the average end user, or a pro, goin to be riding in such varied conditions in such a short space of time that they cba to pump up/deflate a tyre? Really dont see the point, and seems way to expensive to be viable, and cant see it being terribly reliable!

 " I was heading into the rock section and my tires dropped 15 PSI ...."

 

 mate look at the turbospoke...
www.pinkbike.com/news/Turbospoke-Signs-Eric-Lawrenuk-for-2012.html

Utopic posted this first i know but, come on the world has to know.

 Haha nah I'd rather a turbospoke

 hahaha, me however i have dignity

 exactly!

 i say pump more skill in than air.

 Actually only the normal number. One for the front derailleur, one for the rear. Two brake hoses, and a shit-ton of pneumatic hoses.

 That is a very good idea ! I expect some suspension companys have thought about it , the benefits could lose quite some seconds ( in DH terms ).

 Don't the Canondale Jeckyll (no thank you very much but it did win the Trans Provence I think) and Scott Genius do more or less what you're suggesting?

What you could also do to achieve similar benefits is design a shock with on-the-fly adjustable compression. That would be great.

...Oh wait. Doh!

Anyway, just to suggest a great use for this Frankenstein: I've not done it but heard that the Mega Avalanche drops enough altitude that your tyres get progressively harder as you descend? On top of that, the first section is a glacier where harder tyres would probably be a benefit.

Being able to start off hard and progressively soften as you go, could be useful. Tho my wife disagrees.

Just a thought anyway

 "Also, something I don't think was mentioned before: all of those hoses (10 approximately) would somewhat restrict steering performance because of all of the hoses piling up in the way of the bars"


No one told you if you want to steer to lay the bike over???

 Why yes, I do know that on most trails you lean the bike over to steer, and I did not mention the cables as a major hindrance to steering, but as a probable nuisance on tight and twisty uphill trails/XC where someone would both have a bike with all of these hoses on it and the necessity of doing lots of tight turns. I understand your criticism but just don't read too far into this, it was more of a joke but in some situations all of those hoses would definitely cause some issues.

 You've reminded me of something... I know its a roadie, but Google images for 'Colnago C35'.

 Dude, i think environment concerned client wouldn't be getting a carbon bike anyhow being as once its formed into a bike its very expensive and uses a heap of energy to help it decompose/recycle the carbon fibers, they can shred it up but then the fibers are too short and cant be used in much... where as good ol' aluminium or steel are easily recycled... that being said I can't help but drool over that pivot...

 Yeah I see shades of Mountainbike Action.

 o wait dont forget zip ties to mount it all. that makes it all reasonable.

 *cough* fox talas *cough*...

 except for the rear brake position... one stone and you'd like to have that CO2 system to flatten your tire in order to stop

 that dog is beautiful

 Look at that bike aswell, soooo ugly !

 So hot, bike looks sketchy aswell

 He races our local scene. Coll as hell dude, been dh'ing longer than most of us have been riding bike's ( and I'm 31!)