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Ontario Riders - The Don Needs Your Help

Oct 29, 2013
by Ben Aylsworth  
Riders in the GTA are asking for your help. A group of volunteer builders recently reconstructed a section of trail here in Toronto's Don Valley. A network of trails that give riders a good 60km or so on dirt in the heart of Canada's largest city. Yes, it's not The Shore but it's pretty cool. And it gets a lot of use. How much? I am not sure. But the section in question shows over 500 riders on Strava alone.

About half of that trail is managed by the city of Toronto. It's called Crothers Woods. On that section there was a nasty off-camber section of trail that fed into a blind corner lining you up perfectly with a tree. If you were going down you were flying with little control into said blind corner and tree. If you were climbing you were hoping that the oncoming traffic would see you in time. Needless to say it was the result of numerous crashes. Both collision and the single bike variety.

A group, featuring some of the most veteran trail builders in the Don, took it upon themselves to fix that. A separate up and down line was created to avoid head-on collisions. It was a big job spanning several weeks. Berms were put in place to solve the off-camber section. Direction was changed to avoid the tree. Drainage was dealt with. It was done right. It was safer, much safer. It was also more fun. It was clearly marked. Trees were transplanted wherever possible. It was all done by volunteers. It was all done for free and out of love.

This is the bottom of rebuild, with clearly marked up and down lines. Down is on left. Up on right.

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Photo courtesy Timothy Charles


Here is one of the new berms added (upper left) and a turn put in after it (lower right) Ignore the upper right photo, that's my trail building rig:

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Photo courtesy Ben Aylsworth


Here are some comments from riders on the new changes.

"Big thank you for peeps who built the new lines. The downline is fantasic, loving the booters."

"The new section is awesome and probably one of the most important spots to employ trail directionality. I rode it downhill for the first time Friday and had so much fun I went back and did it 4 more times."

"That modification was beautiful and sustainable it is so sad to see it go"

After completing the new changes one of the builders reached out to the city to let them know. This may have been our undoing because the build was done without permission.

Yes - it was an illegal build.

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Photo courtesy Timothy Charles

As we speak the City is working hard to undo the work done several weeks ago to restore the trail to its 'original' condition. Yes what was done was done without permission. Yes it was on a city managed trail. But it was done to make things better. It was done by the same people who work with the city when the city needs help managing trail. It was done by the same people who have spent literally hundreds of hours this year and every year maintaining those same trails. All for free. All because they love to ride and understand that in order to do that someone has to be in there; clearing deadfall, finding drainage solutions, raking leaves and getting dirty because no one else will.

I'd like to think Pinkbike and its users could help push back. That if they took two minutes to send an email maybe we could change what is happening. Which, if done in time, might get the city to stop and listen. Instead of just rip it out, assess the changes that were made and then act. Maybe nothing will come of it. But perhaps this can be stopped. But only with your help. I think it's worth a shot.

I know this is coming from Onterrible and worse, the centre of the universe, Toronto. But let's try to look past that and see this is about builders doing what we all love them to do. Build great trail for us to ride.

If you could send an email to these two people:

councillor_fragedakis@toronto.ca

slaver@toronto.ca



Below is a template to work from. All you need to do is add your name. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Happy fall riding.

-Ben Aylsworth. Just a guy who loves to ride his bike.



Dear Councillor Fragedakis,

I am writing to you to express my concerns regarding the City of Toronto taking continual efforts to remove volunteer-built trail developments on the Crothers Woods nature trails. I was saddened to find out that just this morning the City is removing a community volunteer-built upgrade to "The Ridge" trail behind the sewage treatment plant near Millwood Rd.

At a time when the City is continually pressed for resources, it would be beneficial for both City Staff and the community to work together in supporting the work of volunteer trail builders who provide critical development and maintenance on these trails. Why is the City wasting precious resources to remove trail builds that are beneficial to all trail users in Crothers Woods and were constructed by skilled community volunteers?

Let me clarify: the developments in question were constructed by a skilled group of community members, one of the leaders of which has worked closely with the City in performance maintenance and improvements to these trails for some time. These are not "rogue" individuals out to make the trails hazardous. The changes the City is now removing were safer for all trail users, as they implemented "up" and "down" routes on a heavily used segment of trail, and helped to reduce erosion through limiting direct fall-line mountain biking through the use of berms and gradation changes.

I would ask that you please respond to this email indicating:

1. Why the City chose to take action to remove these recent community-supported trail changes.
2. What plans the City has to work together with skilled community volunteers to design and implement trail improvements and maintenance in Crothers Woods and other natural environment trail networks throughout the City. The current disregard for the interests of trail users is unacceptable.

Thank you in advance for your response.

Sincerely,

(Your Name Here)

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99 Comments
  • 10 1
 Toronto needs to follow Waterloo's lead on partnering with the city. Anyone who hasn't ridden the "hydrocut" should check it out. 26k of buff flowy direction trail, right in the middle of town, with good signage, and free!
  • 1 0
 True story, thank you KW....
  • 2 0
 Thats what i like to hear! Here in KW we do have 26km of amazing trails, numerous skate parks, and a publicly owned and city run dirt jump park (read Mclennan park) that has massive features and was more than supported city wide... Why hasn't everyone else followed our mold, because it appears to be an awesome mold!
  • 1 0
 The city actually does have several projects on the go right now that are surprise surprise, taking a long ass time.
  • 1 1
 the reGion of waterloo awesome, they also built an new dirt jump park in cambridge recently at riverview park
  • 13 6
 Community Supported, not City Supported.
Why weren't the appropriate rules followed prior to manipulating the trail(s)?
Do you think asking for forgiveness is actually easier than requesting permission in advance?
Hopefully the signs and fence are removed soon and we can just get along.
I'm all for making the trails better - but there is a "right way" and "wrong way" to do it.
  • 6 1
 It's a difficult question to answer. And as the comments show, I believe, there isn't one right answer. Simply, it was done to make the trail safer and of course more fun. It was felt it needed to be done quickly. The reality is if the builders were to wait for the city it would have been months. Realistically not until late spring at the earliest. IF the city chose to work on that section. The Don is ridden all year round. Builders didn't want to wait. Everyone knew that the city would be upset. Which is why the builders reached out to the city after as a courtesy. But just because the city thinks it should be done their way doesn't mean people have to agree. It doesn't mean people can't push back. That is what is happening. People are pushing back. Sometimes that is how change happens. Perhaps it will this time, perhaps it won't. But that doesn't mean it's not worth trying.
  • 5 1
 In all honesty every one of the approved city run projects turn out to take at least 3 times longer than proposed and 10 times longer than just getting the build crew together and doing it. The city is a bureaucratic nightmare to deal with.
  • 4 2
 the only reason the CITY is in the Don ripping out stuff and altering the trail is because the cyclists invited them in. So far they have done an awesome job of making the trail semi idiot proof and the result is a lame ass trail anyone can ride in the dark with one hand. Cross bikes are more common somedays than 26 inch wheels. Congrats folks you have succeeded in doing what you started out to do....involve the red tape idiots to rubber stamp every shovel full and anything else gets ripped out. I am preying a friend of mine is covering up the entrances and exits of new fun as fun is no longer allowed.
  • 6 0
 While I'll concede that the trail builders in question should have asked permission first, the city's response is ridiculous.

A more reasoned approach would be to assess the changes and see whether they should stay or be removed. The new section's value should be judged on their merits not on a paper trail.

While I'm not a fan of some of the seemingly arbitrary changes made to the trails over the years, this one was right on all counts.

Why is the city mobilizing all this energy to make the trail more hazardous?
  • 4 0
 it was fun while it lasted. Thanx to anyone who built the jumps and planted the flags. Best build yet all the way to the double at the bottom.
  • 8 3
 I've been riding the Don literally as long as I have been on a mountain bike, and I will probably be riding it for as long as I live in Toronto. One thing that I will never understand is why we as a community keep f*cking with the Ridge in Crother's Woods. I mean come on, we've been through this how many times now? I've seen so many wooden features and jumps get torn out over the years. There's one particular little jump on the trail that has been built up and ripped out at least twice in the past few years alone, how many more times is it going to be rebuilt before we smarten up?

For better or for worse Crother's Woods is the most scrutinized, politicized part of the entire trail network. It sees lots of use from dog walkers, kids on Canadian Tire bikes, right on through to the speedy locals. Deciding that's the place to modify the trail to up the speeds was, honestly, really stupid. I'm sad to see the new lines go but I really can't be angry about it at this point.
  • 5 4
 just because u can't ride the bigger features doesn't mean everyone must suffer! Maybe the city should think of allowing a legit bike park in the area u mention for all levels of riding and have a well indicated and maintained trail system that would be beneficial to everyone.
  • 5 1
 Its not called f*cking around, its called improving - to make the trails better, safer, and more exciting for those who ride them. If no one f*cked around, as you said, the trails would be the same, shitty and boring ones that were there from the beginning.
  • 4 1
 Lol @ the assumption I can't ride the bigger features. Look, I'm all for the bigger, faster, better stuff. That's why I ride trails that AREN'T the Ridge on a regular basis. Where people can build whatever they want with no consequence. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Edit - Okay, MrThirteen1, you're not from Toronto, so I don't even know why you're calling me out. Understand that the affected section is like, a small portion of ONE of the many trails that everyone knows about. It's a tiny sliver of a huge ravine that runs through the entire city. There have always been bigger jumps, harder wooden features, and more exposure elsewhere on really popular (and nearby) trails.
  • 10 1
 Hi CR. We know eachother, and I've been riding in the Don a lot longer than most people here, yourself included. In fact, I rode there when the city didn't even know there was a trail network, and that trail network was 99% created by cyclists, 100% maintained by cyclists.

The issue to be looked at isn't about permission or ignored because it's one small section in a long line of trails. It's to be looked at because the city put in a substantially dangerous section and ignored numerous calls, letters, and in person complaints about the issue. I think you know how I ride, and I know how you ride, so skill level isn't a question when it came to navigating that section. It was a blind corner that was way better off before they got involved. Their solution was prone to erosion at an extremely fast rate (I get a kick on the 'sustainable trails' nomenclature, which is nothing of the sort) and was the cause of several serious accidents (broken bones). So after exhausting themselves on trying to get the city to make the change, they went ahead and made the section safer, more robust, and more fun.

We can't ignore it because it's a small section of woods. It's by and far the most used section of the trails and is what 99.99999% of the riders in there use to make it to the other trails in the first place. And while it could have been ignored because there's more to work on further down the line, it's still a dangerous spot that broke wrists, legs and other bones. Not to mention concussions and soft tissue injuries. So rather than wait for the weighty bureaucratic system to enact their shitty trail building crew to come and fix the mess they made, the community fixed it themselves. It's a much better way. Hardly something to berate, and in fact, activism like that is exactly what the community needs to do to get a point across. Our 'illegal' trails is what the city is using to begin with and this move by them is hypocrisy and ignorance. Don't forget that.
  • 3 1
 What he said.
  • 1 1
 Yeah it's obviously way safer now. It just seems pretty disingenuous that everyone is pointing at this turn and the directional sections as all that was improved, when in reality three jumps were added, at least one of which really only works if you're hauling ass, coming immediately after two that were previously ripped out. Remember that huge thread on Dropmachine about "renegade builders" where half the site got themselves worked into a tizzy over a jump built on a two foot log? Good times. Anyways I guess I just have trouble believing the new turn is the only reason the city is in there screwing around right now. And Angelo, I think we can agree that as amazing as the new section was, the Ridge is clearly not the spot for jump anymore. I'm going to pick up building at the spot Jeff Stein was using, you're welcome by any time.
  • 1 1
 I know the spot. I'll stop by and visit. And we built those two little jumps back when Wink Well, Cam started them and we helped.

"renegade builders" is why I changed my name on there Wink
  • 3 1
 The city has put in a rock drop right near pottery, and a steep rocky down line (roman wall), not to mention ignoring plenty of little booters etc. So, I don't think the ridge is to be feature-free, as long as the features are put on their watch...
  • 4 0
 Nanny state strikes again soon the trees and dirt will be gone replaced with foam and fluffy clouds
Let kids be kids and stop trying to smother our youths this stuff bothers me so much
I HATE INSURANCE (crooks)
  • 4 1
 Sent the email! I think its stupid that people, bike riders, are getting upset and angry with the trail builders for actually IMPROVING one of the most fun sections of Crothers Woods. The City of Toronto does not ride the trails. They have no idea what bike riders enjoy. They have no idea what can be safe, as well as fun. It is probably more dangerous to let them make the trails than the riders themselves. Leave the trail buildings alone to those who actually use them. So stop getting angry with the local trail builders who change the trails to benefit the us, the riders, and send that email to the City of Toronto!
  • 5 0
 I totally loved the whoops or speed bumps the city tried to install on one trail, everyone i spoke to had a near death experience when they hit these new city designed bomb-holes.
  • 3 0
 PART 2

WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM
Mountain Bikers, trail users AND the City want these trails to remain open, sustainable and accessible to all users. I am an avid mountain biker but like many cyclists realize we need to work with the city to make this happen. They are/have been improving the sustainability of a number of trials. I should note that at every trail-build I have ever been at mountain bikers made up the vast majority of the volunteers. TORBA, IMBA, U of T Mountain Bike Team and many other groups come out to help.

So, as someone who has been around a while, I thank you for your efforts, amazing work, but lets not be to quick to attack the City of Toronto. Open calm dialogue is often a better route to take.

David Wright
Head Coach - U of T Varsity Mountain Bike Team
Former Member - City of Toronto - Task Force to Bring Back the Don

CROTHERS WOODS IS A DESIGNATED ENVIRONMENTALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA (ESA)
They could easily close these trials. I didn't know this at first, but the steep valley walls of the Don Valley that are too steep to build housing on, and fun to bike on, are also home to very rare native plant life. There are Butternut which are currently listed as an endangered species by the Species at Risk Act. In, 1995, the forest was designated as an ESA partly due to the quality of the forest but also to the presence of rare understory plants. These include Greater Straw Sedge, Thin-leaved Sunflower, and Pale-leaved Sunflower. The City is mandated to protect this as well. Having well-intended people building stunts and trails in this area is not a great idea.
  • 4 1
 Lots of work has been put in by very qualified builders who have been sanctioned before and REGULARLY tapped to do the maintenance by the CITY. This was a clear and present danger. The boys re-cut in the fall as is the practice of any good build(er). Please sign
  • 4 1
 Ontario riders;

I'm taking a quick poll,
1.how many of you guys would like to see a slope style event in Ontario?
2. How many feel we could benefit from a true bike park that accompanies all aspects of mountain biking?

I know I for one am tired of blue mountains soil and their lack of passion towards the bike park. Yes, great people work there and they have brought in the gravity logic crew, but they know they hold a monopoly on the bike scene in Ontario resulting in slower development of trails.

Thanks guys
  • 2 1
 1. YES! 2. YES!
  • 2 1
 The trails at Horseshoe are getting better and better all the time. There may not be many of them but at least they are willing to work with people like Tuff Rack to get new trails built.
  • 1 3
 From the immediate feedback to riders concerns that I've seen here on Pinkbike, I think that is a fairly unfair thing to say about Blue Mountain.

Unfortunately, large companies have major bureaucratic problems that leading to slow development just like governments of all levels. Blue Mountain is a huge resort, and from what I'm told mountain biking provides very little revenue compared to all the other activities going on there. If you're managing a multi-million dollar enterprise, where would you be putting most of your funds? I've heard that a weekend of skiing/boarding in the winter brings in more money for the resort than mountain biking does through the entire summer.

I really don't think Blue Mountain is using any kind of monopoly power. They budget as much as they can for mountain biking, and that has to consider the opportunity cost of lost revenues in other areas.
  • 3 1
 Funny seems to me like other resorts are able to make it work. Mind you we don't have the vert they do.
  • 4 1
 @valtra, this has happened through some major legal troubles in the past. But the past is the past, Blue has been hiding behind the lawsuit against them and has not attempted until this summer to improve or add to their current bike park. It should have been done years ago! I remember back in 2005, the trails there were all time, the best Ontario had to offer, the lift lines were long and you'd always run into riders on any trail, not so much the case now.

What I am simply stating is that Ontario could benefit from a true bike park, to revive the scene and to gain more exposure to the sport. I'm not bashing Blue Mountain because they have done wonders for us here, but in the past few years have appeared withdrawn and just comfortable with where they are. The demise of the o-cup circuit making a stop or two there, no more east coast open hosted there, a lack of trail expansion or improvement has resulted in them losing repeat customers. You can get all the feedback in the world, take polls or survey's on what you need to do to improve, but none of that improves anything unless the higher ups take action.

Sure, I don't know all the politics involved in this, or their financials, but from what I've witnessed from before the lawsuit to now, Blue has been on a steady decline customers wise. It's not all to be blamed on Blue Mountain, but they should have gotten right back in the saddle and improved their trails a few years after the accident, instead of waiting "for the right time". Its hard to justify the amount of time this has taken, the bike park is out dated and needs a large facelift.
  • 1 0
 Like Vultra said most of their profit is from Ski season so almost all of their improvements are to make snow. They are willing to grow the sport but not at the expense of ski season.
  • 1 0
 the biggest slope is 700 feet tall. a mogul
  • 2 0
 elevation isn't a concern, a prime example I like to use in the elevation argument is Highland Bike Park in New Hampshire. They have arguably the best trails on the east coast and only have 600-650 ft of elevation, yet they still use the hill extremely well and squeeze out 3-4 minute runs of flowy jump trails and true tech. Not alot of elevation is needed to create a bike park, unlike skiing we can weave back and fourth across hills instead of go straight down them, that is one thing people seem to easily confuse
  • 1 0
 insurance/liability is the only real problem
  • 1 0
 It can't be all about insurance and liability otherwise whistler would be out of business.
  • 2 0
 its east coast vs west coast mentality. People out west accept the risks they assume riding in the whistler bike park, sure lawsuits happen but its few and far between. East Coasters seem to want to sue over a small cut just for the sake of being compensated for the injury.
  • 2 0
 I've always thought it was just stoopid that people have decided to ride the trail in the opposite direction in the first place. I've been riding and beating through that bush since the early 90's and I'd have to say that trail was cut to ride in one direction. yes I know it's "challenging" to ride it the other way but it's just stupid and dangerous. I don't know many riding centers that have multi directional trails as it takes away all flow, especially if you're fast and dialed. I spend more time watching out for riders coming the other way than I do my own direction sometimes which puts me in danger.
  • 1 3
 You don't ride this trail enough to know what you are talking about, the dangerous areas are separated and most head on areas have good visibility. This was one of the last dangerous sections that had yet to be separated, lets hope it stays that way!
  • 1 2
 Funny, because I always found that trail to have better flow going the "wrong" way.
  • 2 1
 It definitely has better flow going the right way. Everyone knows this, and it was definitely built to go in one direction. The only exception is the short run from the cricket lot to the hip. That's the only section that flows well backwards. Having said that, it's still a multi use trail that must cater to directional traffic. Even if it became directional, walkers and random cyclists would still go the other way, so that must be factored in.
  • 2 1
 One of the major issues I've had with riders coming from the opposite way is their dominant nature. Can't even count the times where I was basically expected to jump down the valley side while staying to my right as the other a holes stay directy in the middle of the trail. Kinda like how people walk around on the sidewalks in the city, not enough people want to stay to their right. Imagine cars driving like that, not staying to one side. So what I have to do is really pick my times I am riding down there, going when it's least busy.
  • 2 1
 And Yarlezy, I've been riding down there since the early 90's like I said and have played a big part in getting this trail ridable, literally had to bush whack through sections of this trail back in the day. I can say that I have literally spent well over a thousand hours down there riding, so I do have an idea what I am talking about.
  • 2 1
 Sorry man i'm just frustrated with the city stuff nothing personal
  • 1 0
 No worries Yarlezy Smile
When it comes right down to it, we're all still totally blessed to have The Don Smile
  • 3 1
 PART 1
HISTORY
At one time about 20 years ago the city was considering closing these trails to the public. The community (led mostly by mountain bikers) complained and offered to help in any way. The City rethought this plan and later bent over backwards to help these trails remain open and sustainable (especially under Mayor David Miller). This has continued (to a lesser degree = Rob Ford).

There is more involved in building a trail...than just building the trail...even if it IS better, safer, etc.

THIS IS NOT OUR PROPERTY
If my neighbor tore up my weed infested front yard, planted native species plants and made it beautiful - Its still not legal. You need to consult with the City of Toronto (and its not that difficult to do. Simply e-mail/ phone and volunteer or make a suggestion of an area of trail to work on. Get the OK, organize some volunteers and go for it!

WE GET BETTER RESULTS WORKING TOGETHER
Things have changed a lot in the past 15 years. The current Parks Rec and Forestry Dept. Managers with City of Toronto are outstanding, open, and willing to work with you. Just call them and ask! They are always looking for volunteers and they may be willing to help supply you with gloves, shoveles, etc. Your efforts are admirable, thank you, but be you can do better. You ARE doing good work.
  • 3 0
 You just joined to write that eh? Don't get me started on the city build days..... A bunch of people show up to ham it for the camera for a feel good day (while all the actual maintenance is done daily), a few cyclists show up and ask for there not to be dangerous speed bumps put in the entrance to a corner. They get told, in a nice way, to stfu, and the build commences without hearing people out. I've been before. They need to start listening to people and reason to actually 'work together'. Your post is all fine and dandy, except the second paragraph, because I myself made a call about the section in question THREE YEARS AGO and was told it was fine. Others have done the same.

I'll make a better example. The land is the peoples land. The TRCA bought it and WE own the TCRA with our tax dollars. The city are merely stewards of this land, and are our public servants. They make an extremely dangerous (several broken bones reported in this thread alone. think about that for a second) trail modification that is also prone to elevated levels of erosion compared to prior. After 4 years of calls, letters and complaints about the section, the city does nothing. People broke bones, concussions, etc. Still, nothing. So people decide to protect themselves and make the change. Does it make it legal? No. Is it right, yes. Not everything can be judged by the bylaws this city holds.....
  • 2 0
 atrokz- on the money
People stop thinking consciously when they pull the book of "law" and "ownership"...and stop evololution of us as community.
NOBODY and EVERYBODY owns that land.

Wake the fck up!
  • 1 0
 Exactly. And David, this ^ is a guy who put lots of hard work into the trails you use, to 'coach' your team.
  • 2 0
 I rode that section 2 weeks ago - the improvements are amazing! If you send the email, you may want to copy the mayor, your own councilor, as well as 311. (say what you will about our mayor, he responds to complaints) Also, you may want to soften the wording of the email a little, as Mom used to say "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar."
  • 5 0
 Unfortunate to see this. I haven't ridden the Don yet, living in Mississuaga, but it always sucks seeing hard work ruined
  • 5 1
 Shame on you Toronto! maybe you should of actually checked it out and see how much better it was than before! instead of just destroying it without a second thought!!
  • 3 1
 Anyone that ride the Don, knows there was no room for error on that very section. Its a corner that took me out twice. Once I lost traction on the front, and hit that tree so hard it separated the tire and tube from the rim. From that, I walked away with a fractured hand and bruised shoulder. The next time, I came around the corner to find a rider coming up, i was able to stop in time, but only too find there was no ground when i went to put my right foot down, so sliding down the hill on my back lol. Unfortunately for me, i won't get a chance to ride the improved lines, but it seems a lot better in terms of safety. So I gotta support this, even if it was without city permission.
  • 3 1
 the city of toronto, what a joke. probably the the number 1 city that hates bike, 49 deaths so far this year on the road because they are to pompous to paint a simple line. never mind making it safer for trail riders they would rather see you crippled or dead, just so they can say "i told you so", although i must applaud the bike lane on sherbourne, totally awesome if the city is going to throw there citizens to the wolves with there draconian bylaw atleast give them a fighting chance.
  • 1 0
 I rode this evening and am sorry to say there is already a bobcat in there ripping out the berms and re-establishing the shitty off-camber descent. such a shame, that new build was a huge improvement both for fun and safety. if only the city could act so quickly to support volunteer trail work eh. I'm still writing an email to protest this decision
  • 1 0
 Shame i only got to ride this section once before the city closed it. It was a much more fun/ safer improvement & i loved all the jumps!
Is it still closed now?
When will it be reopened?
Hmmmmm, would be a shame if someone were to go through & tear down all the "closed" signs & cut through all the orange plastic fencing! Then others would continue to ride through it as if it had never gotten closed!
Hmmmmmmm..........
  • 1 0
 I've noticed that a lot of the people that are siding with the city were at one time rouge builders in the don. Also some of these same builders I hear bitching about the fact that the city is tearing things out, and the same people that hand a hand in getting the city involved. Make up your damn minds.

The city should never have been invited to "help" with the trails int he first place.
But they are now in it with both feet, so you don't have the choice to go against the rules they have set in, and that you have all agreed on.

This section was good, safe and done right. The city just wants to be notified when its being done so they can green flag it. Just tell them, or move to the other side of millwood. Simple.
  • 1 0
 City of mississauga is the same, the only place that got fixed in years the the jump lines in lorne park (the rich area). weve been waiting on them to fix the challenge park for years but its never happened. the most that happens there is the hydrocompany mows paths in the feild around the towers
  • 8 3
 Why didn't these builders who know the proper channels use them??
  • 6 4
 Because like all legal trail building and modification, going through the proper channels takes longer which would mean less time spent riding it and a chance that more people would get hurt in the meantime. Itd be super cool if the city just said build in this area and they could build whatever whenever!
  • 1 1
 The city was made aware of the danger for a few years already, and did nothing about it. The crew they hire to build these trails use small bulldozers and aren't active cyclists themselves (some say they are, but have never been seen riding the trails), so they don't build good sections. Only build days where TORBA or IMBA are involved in result in safe, ecologically sustainable trails.

Rather than wait another year (That dangerous section was put in, in 2009) the community decided to do something about it. It took 4 years of complaints, emails, and letters (which I sent myself) and that got nowhere. Activism is what got us the trails in the first place, and we built them 'illegally'. Yup, most of the same 'illegal' trails are now official city trails. Something to consider.
  • 4 0
 I would have shut my mouth about the changes and moved on as if nothing was changed on the trail...
  • 2 1
 For anyone who wishes to send a more positive note to the city, feel free to use the template located here:
docs.google.com/document/d/17pM-lQ3DJecZwm1yJsJb4qpNQGpoqo9TLrMuzzAf818/edit?usp=sharing

Also if you are curious about the City's Trail Stragegy which was published this past June, it is available online here: www1.toronto.ca/staticfiles/city_of_toronto/parks_forestry__recreation/community_involvement/files/pdf/trail_strategy.pdf

**Excerpt**
"I am writing to you to express my appreciation regarding the City of Toronto taking continual efforts to improve trails in Crothers Woods and across the City. I am happy to see that the City takes the environment, the safety of all user groups, and the user experience into account. I support the informed decisions made by the trail managers including the recent / ongoing work on "The Ridge" trail behind the sewage treatment plant near Millwood Rd, although I do have questions about this work which are posed below...."
  • 5 3
 I ran into this yesterday on my trail ride. I was angry to say the least. I know its an illegal build, but it was an obvious improvement. Email sent.
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 I sessioned it today to get in as much time as I could.
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 I sent a revised version of the email. I took an angle of why the city would spend resources undoing work when doing so is actually going to increase their liability exposure due to the risks related with the original design of that section. Talk their language, don't whine and plead.

I know that section sucked and was unsafe. But, knowing this section of trail and city relations, a full on build probably went too far. Signage, padding, brush clearing.... small impact stuff that would have addressed the underlying safety issue and not been the equivalent of walking into city hall and pissing in someone's coffee (especially if TTFs were added when these builders fully know the CoT position on TTFs in that area).
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 Blame Rob Ford? Seems the popular thing to do whenever something in Toronto goes sideways... I wonder if it's ok to help someone in need after they plow into said tree, or just wait for the EMT's to show up... Common sense in the big smoke is lost, Toronto needs to get a lot worse before anyone is allowed to make it better.
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 Forwarded to the Dean Blundell Show. Let's see if Dean is for the people?
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 I could never understand why I never make the effort to go check out these trails. Seems like a really cool place to ride.
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 Haha, will try bouncing them... Every little bump we did on the DoN over the years was flattened by the official maintainers, the reason being: people walk/hike there too. The extra trails(deviations) seam to last longer.
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 Here's what I don't get, if these trails are "illegal" than what made the original trail "legal"? If building on city property was bad, then the original trails should have been covered over to let the forest regenerate. It's totally useless to respond to an 'illegal" build by bringing in machinery to reblaze a shitty trails just to keep things as they were. This reminds me of Rob Ford taking out bike lanes.
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 Sent. Might have to check this out sometime. Where do I park? Is there a trail map. I'm 1hr west of TO (the centre of the universe)
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 There are lots of trail maps of the area and it can been see on Google maps as Crothes woods Trail. Best place to park is the back parking lot of the Lowblows off Redway rd just off Millwood.
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 I can't help but think that Mr. Charles Sauriol & my father would be disgusted with both sides of this ridiculous conversation. Neither of them lifted a finger in The Don without municipal & provincial approval.... The result of their patience & actual hard work was a permanent green space that the residents of the GTA will enjoy, no matter what the discipline, for decades to come. Continue to forget how real conservationists work alongside local government & you will witness just how far they (local government) are willing to go to oppose your position, albeit misguided. Remember how to to utilize the same tools that awarded us this jewel in the middle of a major North American city in the first place! Just get out & ride your damn bike you whining d**ce bags....... Typical T.O.
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 You have no idea what you're talking about, with regards to a: the community activism. b: attempts to work with the city, c: history of several advocacy groups involvement with the city.

But hey, keep chirping from Oakville because it makes you look like a douchebag yourself. Feel free to come ride Waterdown with me (we're actually neighbors...) and get an education on the history of community advocacy on those trails. Something your father would have been proud of. I highly doubt he'd be proud of doing nothing.....
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 Interesting guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sauriol

Was he involved in the preservation of the Ridge etc.? That land seems to have been a dumping ground for decades.
  • 2 1
 and I live in Bermuda, but I lived in Toronto for 5 years during school and rode those trails all the time!
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 20 years later and the only thing that has changed is the City is now involved...( sorry for that ) but that being said, T.O. guys including TORBA just don't touch anything from Bayview to the Millwood bridge.....simple....get it through your heads.
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 Email sent. It sucks it happens, but we need to always go through proper channels when it comes to trail building.
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 WOOOOOOOOOOOO man i live right next to the valley so pumped on the new improvements sick
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 nevver ridden here, anything good?
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 Was out riding tonight and the beaut of a trail is gone. What a downer !
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 I sent my email.
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 Email sent. For them to remove it instead of assessing it, that is truly backwards.
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 Email Sent.
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 Email sent.
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 Email sent.
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 email sent
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 putting the tools on girlfriends fixie, priceless..
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 e-mail sent!
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 City of Toronto is a waste of time. I sent an email. But come on.
  • 1 3
 if thats your fixie, for shame.
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