It's that time of year again where riding during daylight hours becomes tougher and tougher. Luckily, with some good equipment, you can make the most of those dark hours. But just how fast can you ride?
Some of my fastest ride times on my favorite trails have been at night because hardly anyone is on the trail and it's easier to focus on where you need to go because it's dark. You just have to avoid the night birds that sit in the middle of the trail.
Generally, my experiences are similar. As long as I know the trail and it's not to technical, I can get pretty similar speeds and it feels way more fun. For more technical and unpredictable stuff though, I do find I have to back off more or risk catching an unexpected rock or root that sneaks up on me.
@noapathy: worst are the deer just off the trail that you can hear but cannot see. on my solo night rides it gives me that "someone is chasing YOU!" feeling. Also....owls LOVE to use trails a flight corridors...getting buzzed by something the size of a flying microwave will keep you on your toes.
@christinachappetta: there is a nest on bobsled on Mt fromme that every time I ride alone at night the bird scares the heck out of me. Doesn't matter how many times I ride that trail totally startles me.
@SATN-XC: closest call for me when i was riding my usual post-work trails and after one of the turns there was a deer looking straight at me. it just didnt want to move, poor thing was frozen. then i catched my breath and managed to scream at her, so we didnt collide. on the same run, lower on the trail i ran into a herd of boars. i have scared shitless. and made a pr on that segment, i was sprinting for my life tbh.
@SATN-XC: I have yet to get buzzed by an owl unless it was a very small one the size of a bat. I was riding by moonlight so can't be sure. Also creepy even though I know it was just after the insects.
In Australia the worst critter for night riding is the wombat (luckily most of the venomous ones sleep at night). Think about something the size of a medium dog, but rounder and looks like a small keg with stumpy legs. You'll be riding along and suddenly what you thought was a big rock or log on the side of the trail decides to start moving. Luckily they're not very nimble and once they start moving they only go in the one direction, not like the rabbits. Those stupid bunnies like to zig zag in front of you down the trail trying to take out your front wheel. My night rides have me switching between being freaked out by the wombats, to laughing and swearing at the stupid bunnies. Better than being home on the couch though.
@big-red: I agree, all of our fastest strava times in Santa Barbara are at night. we have too many hikers to go fast during the day. I love this time of year. I find the slow tech trails to be the best at night. Faster blue trails are tricky because I can't see quite far enough in front of me to go the speed I go in daylight. Great summary by @christinachappetta
@christinachappetta: I believe they are called nightjars or common poorwills here in Utah. They always scare me around corners when theirs eyes light up from my lights. Not even my bell will scare them.
@SATN-XC: Hell, even in the daytime they cast a shadow the size of a pterodactyl. One flew over and landed on a snag in front of me. It had a crow it it’s talons. Then it turned its head around and looked at me.
@Rhetti2Ride: they are called nightjars. They also have reflective wings so they light up when your light hits them. First time I saw one I thought it was a pedal defector on the trail. They are mostly out with full or close to full moons. We did a bunch of research after seeing them so frequently on our night rides here in northern Arizona. Turns out they’re one of the tougher birds to spot as a bird-watcher. Guess they should grab a bike on the next full moon!
We usually ride in the late afternoon & early evening to avoid the summer heat & the crowds. Do the climb while the lights are not needed or can be on a low setting. Come down in the dark. Typically blue runs for some fun up above Alice Lake.
Heck yeah, it does! It's a way of life for riders up here in the North. The reflective properties of the snow make for some next-level riding experiences!
@grotesquesque: Yeah, that's a big consideration. I don't run my light super bright and I use a green filter as I thought at least it doesn't wake up the plants (as they reflect the green light so apparently don't absorb it) but I'm not sure about the animals.
@commental: Don't talk to them at night, they're asleep. But if we keep them awake at night with our light pollution, they'll be pretty pissed during daytime too. Your counselor needs a pretty thick skin if he or she wants to talk to them then. They'll be rude, jump between your spokes and will suddenly jump on the trail. Their roots will also reorient in riding direction even if they were perpendicular to the trail in the past.
Ideally, just put on a green filter or don't ride with lights at all. It is for your own good, trust me.
Definitely. Also a big difference between trails on the north face of the mountain vs the south face. North face + cloud cover = who turned the lights out?
@Burningbird: This is very real here in VT too. Sometimes a ride will take you around the dark side of the hill only to loop back around and descend in relative sunlight. Or sometimes it's just a bit later and you forget to charge your light and you have to follow a buddy with a light real, real close.
@christinachappetta: my setup is two on the bars by the brake levers. Plus one on the helmet. I found this improved depth perception and cornering lighting quite a bit. The cornering improvement was a nice surprise,
Here in Alberta we are soon going to be night riding with the snow falling, and trees and trails covered with snow! With the lights shining on the bars it makes trails quite amazing!!!
It's amazing, fun, spooky, skill developing and hardcore. The best part is coming home with the satisfaction that you did that! but nobody ever cares or believes that you ride at night haha.
I lived in Calgary for five years. On a cloudy light with snow on the ground I would not even bother turning on a light. The city lights did enough for all of the inner city trails. I really miss snow biking.
@christinachappetta: I've had quite a few awesome night ride experiences, but there is one standout. Many years ago a few nights after the local foothills (no trees, just low sage brush) trail area had burnt. We went out with no lights. Full moon, clear skies, and and complete blackness every except, the moon, stars, and trail. It was like riding a single-track through space. Pretty awesome!
@christinachappetta: Give winter fat biking at night on groomed singletrack a try, it's next level winter fun. Several communities in the interior of BC have grooming machines which pack down a ~24" wide singletrack, given the right snow conditions (humidity/density) it makes for firm and fast riding. Once the trail gets deep enough the crashes are epic!
@dlford: sounds awesome! Got out on groomed single-track fatbike last winter with the Mrs and some friends last winter. I hadn't giggled on bikes that hard in years. Will definitely try it at night!
Hell, if there are only a few trees with no leaves on them on a clear night with a full moon, lights are almost an afterthought. Second hand sunlight is awesome.
Getting fast at night makes me faster in the day. Riding at night is pure. There are no outside distractions, pure focus on only what is on the immediate trail to react to. There is no scenery at night. The night time, is the right time!
Night riding for XC can definitely be faster...primarily b/c less trail traffic and the lights make the rider almost hyper-focused on the task at-hand (combination of tunnel vision, fun, and less distractions b/c all you see is what is front of you). Our Tuesday night group rides are entirely in the dark this time of year yet our pace has not dropped and I'm still hitting PR's.
It baffles me that there are places in the world where night riding is common practice. Where I live (Austria) they are generally frowned upon because they disturb the wildlife. Personally I haven't done it yet and don't intend to for that reason. One must know that in this country the relationship between mountainbikers and all others (landowners, hunters, hikers, forest managers, environmentalists etc.) is tense to say the least. I guess the amount of scarcely populated nature does it's part in avoiding that conflict.
I wouldn't call what we Norwegians do "night riding" but more "dark riding" as nowadays (mid november) it get's dark at around 17:00 (sunset is at 16:00 now). Later in the winter, even earlier. And I live in the south of Norway :-) (northern Norway has sunset at about 13:00 now)
Was on a night ride once trying to beat a thunderstorm that was moving in from a distance. With my lights slicing through the pitch black of night and the occasional flash of lightning, mid climb I glanced off to the side of the trail and found myself looked right into the eyes of a creepy dude trying to hide behind a tree not more then 5 ft away from me. I said hello and silently grabbed a few more gears with a sudden urge to KOM that climb. #keepingnightridingweird
Here in England I do more MTBing in the dark than the light - my most regular ride is a weekly evening group ride between 7pm and 9pm, and it’s about 20 minutes there and back solo via the trails, so for six months the whole ride is in the dark and there’s barely one month where I can go without lights. I’ve never noticed being slower without sunlight, it’s the ground conditions that make the difference (yes, we ride in the rain and mud etc).
The best night rides are the snowy ones - it looks amazing and riding in (just the right amount of) snow is hilarious fun.
I don’t know how this goes down across the pond. But here in Europe you definitely mess up the relationship with hunters, forest owners and the rest of the bunch when riding with bright headlights in the woods.
Just make sure you check your trail to make sure you can legally ride them at night. My favorite local trails are off-limits after dark. Local law enforcement like to camp out at popular trail heads and write people up as they exit the trail. I love riding in the dark. Getting a $80 ticket, not so much.
I wish local law enforcement would camp out at some of our local trailheads. There's a couple of places I don't want to night ride anymore 'cause of all the vehicle break-ins and stolen cat converters.
My local trail network is closed at night too. But there is literally no enforcement of anything. Unlimited building of trails too with no one stopping you. It really is quite wonderful.
@christinachappetta: County parks in Santa Clara County, CA are closed at sunset. State parks are not. There are probably exceptions to both, but just to give you an idea.
Was definitely expecting a bigger difference between the two laps @christinachappetta but I guess that shows the real benefit of proper light output. Not done any night riding for a couple of year, so need to get my butt in gear and get out there. I do remember that even the most familiar trails take on a completely different personality in the dark though. Definitely makes you concentrate a lot harder.
I really did think I was going to be much much slower but the lights did the job and I chose a trail I felt quite safe on. Get back out there! You will not regret it.
@christinachappetta: I have the same light, it kicks ass. FWIW: Head mount is the way to go, get a jersey with a pocket in the back and you are set. The lamp is light enough to not be a bother on the head, and being able to see where you turn your head is a game-changer. I would not even think about strapping a light to the bike, gave up that approach ten years ago.
I’ve had a long career of night riding trails starting the early 80s. Sidewall generators with a Union headlamp. Maybe 10 lumens. Smart riders put the generator on the fork because if you skidded with a rear mounted generator the light went out. When we stopped we’d lift the front end and paint the wheel to get some light, aim and wobble off. Every year lights got better. Batteries, halogen, HID weak led and modern powerful led lights are amazing. With the modern lights I had my speeds were pretty similar to day time. Sometimes better at night because there were no distractions in the peripheral view. Sometimes noises would scare me too so I went faster. I rode alone a lot. Since I retired though I quit night riding. .
Love a night ride, with a young kid pretty much half or more of my rides throughout the whole year are at night- during the summer it’s the best way to beat the heat! Freakiest experiences night riding: scaring a herd of elk that took off uphill and sounded like a freight train, snapping saplings like they weren’t there.
@christinachappetta: Yes, nothing that wants to eat us here and long nights in the winter! I do get that irrational fear of the dark when I’m on a solo night ride but not if it’s a solo part of a mostly group ride - which makes absolutely no sense…
@christinachappetta: I'd have been proper scared up there, I'd be seeing bear and cougar eyes everywhere, you're *way* braver than me. In NZ the worst we have are birds and that bat-bird.
@Wilm: definitely, my first thought when I realised this was being filmed in N.A was "sod that, they have bears and cougars and stuff". The most dangerous animal I've encountered on a night ride was popping out the woods into a field of *definitely* violent and *not at all* adorable bunnies...
I found I got decent illumination from the Amazon lights, but the mounts for them suck in comparison to a quality light. Also, I needed a new battery every year for them which cost as much as the light, so a few years ago spent $200 on a Niterider 1600/1100 setup that still to this day holds enough charge for like 10 rides (external battery handlebar) before a recharge is needed and 4 rides for the internal battery headlamp.
I ride solo at night and in similar conditions the times are the same. What I found is the easy trails like Expresso are scarier at night than harder trails like Ladies and Grannies. Speeds on Expresso make the thought of a crash much scarier than on the slower jank of Grannies.
Good lights and somebody to go ahead and knock down all the spider webs ,nothin worse than a damn spider on your face or crawling up your neck at 20 mph they seem to build their webs just after dark at a certain time of the year around here
Agreed. I ripped my Bell Sixer clean off the mips part trying to rid myself of a large Orb Weaver in a hurry. Fumbled with the strap then yanked the helmet off snapping the rubber bungy mounts in my haste. Had to then ride home with the helmet shell flopping around under the weight of my head light.
Why do you want to go fast at night? You'll miss all the little glowing eyes peering at you from the dark - raccoons, deer, mice and spiders (my favorite). For me, night riding is more about the experience, not the PRs.
I also dial it back because getting injured and needing evac at night would suck for everyone. The only reason I can night ride at all is that the part of the trail system on county land doesn't enforce the sunset closure. They don't have staff to enforce it, but I'm sure they could find a way if a need arose. The bike traffic keeps kids from sneaking it at night to party, so it's symbiotic. It needs to stay low-profile though, which is the opposite of ambulances and helicopters.
I know this may be controversial but I can’t recommend L&M. Don’t get me wrong, they make a great light. But when they say they can repair your light for $90 and then it all it ends up being a defunct battery (ie light head works with another battery) that can’t be repaired and you’re charged $90 for the “service” on top of the (expected) $150 for the new battery, I can’t recommend them. No flexibility to remove the $90 “repair” charge even though no repair was able to be rendered. Would’ve been better off never contacting them in the first place, and that shouldn’t ever be the case about a company’s customer service.
I used to night ride through the trails in our urban parks ie Stanley Park and Pacific Spirit Park. Great fun but spooky as hell. Now I just wouldn’t ride at all because of the fear of the homeless people who camp year round in these parks. Not a slag on homeless people , I would freak out encountering anyone in the dark on the trail.
I have been an avid night rider for the past 5 years. In my experience you can get away with less lumens in the woods because the trail is very defined. And you can't see very far even in the daylight because of the trees and brush. Really, you can only see as far as the next corner.
Where I really feel the need for more light is on high speed open areas. Kind of grassy and the trail isn't well defined. The light just get sucked up by the ground.
Currently running two 1000 lumen lights on the helmet. One spot and one flood.
I'm surprised she didn't mention the difference between spot and flood. A 1000lm spot on your helmet acts way different to a 1000lm flood and you'd want one or the other more depending on the type of trail you're on.
hey everyone - pretty much disagree with most of the recommendations made in the video. Here's the two things I've found to be true after a decade plus of night riding..
1) Too many Lumens (power) is a bad thing! 2) You should have the Big light on your head and Smaller light on bars 3) You need to try and get both lights as close to the same colour/tone of light (otherwise it will drive your eyes crazy)
Why! 1) Too powerful a light crates a massive amount of glare and bleaches out the detail of the trail ahead. The most of the powerful lights tend to be cold and harsh - a warmer light is much better picking up detail.
2) You need the power to be where you look (so helmet) way out ahead - and the light on the bars is your security, creating a constant pool of light ahead of your front wheel.
I've bought all kinds of light and my favourites are almost half the power of the most powerful I've tried.
You can have the best riding experience with as little as 400 limens on the bar and 1200 on the helmet.
I tend to be as fast if not faster at night - and go through and over stuff I'd think twice about in the daylight!
People that have easily accessible, legal after dark trails are very fortunate this time of year. Time to lace up my running shoes until the ice shows up and then we squeeze in frozen ground rides until mud season.
Running a helmet light is far superior and sometimes the only option needed. The bar mounted lights can be finicky and sometimes the multiple beams play tricks on your eyes. That being said, remember to pack a back-up light! I've been using the same light for years and always wonder if tonight will be the night that it craps out.
IMO, bar lights are more important than a helmet mount (though I always run both). Moving the lights off-axis from your eyes allows the contrast and shadows to show the terrain. Helmet light fills in the gaps.
I try and run my bars twice as bright as my helmet light to keep from washing out all the texture.
@Ontario123: on tech trails with roots and even tiny 18” drops bar lights alone are worthless. All you see is a black void where the trail should be. It’s terrifying and almost impossible to ride. Helmet light, always.
@iamamodel: Same! 24hr events en BC and AB, no issues racing on technical terrain running a solo headlamp. Like @JustinVP stated above technical terrain is a different beast at night.
NiteRider here and I usually will ride the climbing sections on low and then descend in High. This makes it safe and conserves power for those longer backcountry rides. Definitely recommend a small light on the head.
Agree. My local trail system has a logging road up, then all the trails are pretty much 1 way back down. At night, when I'm the only one there, I can skip the road and ride entirely on trails. Ride which ever direction I want.
In general when I need to ride by night, that is the time of the year the trails are covered with leaves, so you do not see anything anyway, every hit is a surprise!
Lupine Piko is the best, whether you can stomach the price is the only question. Magicshine, Gemini, Nightrider, L&M, etc., have less expensive options.
FM you are a cynic. Maybe L&M paid for the slot and bung them a few lights. Is that a problem? Everyone has to get paid even on the internet. It is top notch information and a well made video just enjoy it.
(In the Southeast US they don't technically hibernate, but are usually less active.)
Night ride during atmospheric River.
Or night ride in snow. Not groomed fat bike snow ride.
Fromme 7th night ride in snow. Bring along Yoann his laughter will scare the Cougars away.
Ideally, just put on a green filter or don't ride with lights at all. It is for your own good, trust me.
Give winter fat biking at night on groomed singletrack a try, it's next level winter fun. Several communities in the interior of BC have grooming machines which pack down a ~24" wide singletrack, given the right snow conditions (humidity/density) it makes for firm and fast riding. Once the trail gets deep enough the crashes are epic!
I guess the amount of scarcely populated nature does it's part in avoiding that conflict.
I’m not sure if you all are just trying to be agreeable, or maybe it’s the koolaid, but riding at night is not faster, for all the obvious reasons.
The best night rides are the snowy ones - it looks amazing and riding in (just the right amount of) snow is hilarious fun.
Not done any night riding for a couple of year, so need to get my butt in gear and get out there. I do remember that even the most familiar trails take on a completely different personality in the dark though. Definitely makes you concentrate a lot harder.
The most dangerous animal I've encountered on a night ride was popping out the woods into a field of *definitely* violent and *not at all* adorable bunnies...
I also dial it back because getting injured and needing evac at night would suck for everyone. The only reason I can night ride at all is that the part of the trail system on county land doesn't enforce the sunset closure. They don't have staff to enforce it, but I'm sure they could find a way if a need arose. The bike traffic keeps kids from sneaking it at night to party, so it's symbiotic. It needs to stay low-profile though, which is the opposite of ambulances and helicopters.
Now I just wouldn’t ride at all because of the fear of the homeless people who camp year round in these parks. Not a slag on homeless people , I would freak out encountering anyone in the dark on the trail.
Here's the two things I've found to be true after a decade plus of night riding..
1) Too many Lumens (power) is a bad thing!
2) You should have the Big light on your head and Smaller light on bars
3) You need to try and get both lights as close to the same colour/tone of light (otherwise it will drive your eyes crazy)
Why!
1) Too powerful a light crates a massive amount of glare and bleaches out the detail of the trail ahead.
The most of the powerful lights tend to be cold and harsh - a warmer light is much better picking up detail.
2) You need the power to be where you look (so helmet) way out ahead - and the light on the bars is your security, creating a constant pool of light ahead of your front wheel.
I've bought all kinds of light and my favourites are almost half the power of the most powerful I've tried.
You can have the best riding experience with as little as 400 limens on the bar and 1200 on the helmet.
I tend to be as fast if not faster at night - and go through and over stuff I'd think twice about in the daylight!
Night riding is brilliant - give it a go
I try and run my bars twice as bright as my helmet light to keep from washing out all the texture.