Votec VM150 Team Review

Mar 18, 2013
by Mike Levy  

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Votec
VM150
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WORDS Mike Levy
PHOTOS Ian Hylands


The 150mm travel category is becoming quite crowded these days, with a massive number of bikes to choose from that all vary in design, intention, and especially function. Votec is another name in the mid-travel game, with their 150mm VM150 Team entering the fight with a rather understated look that goes up against much flashier options. While it may not be a head-turner at first glance, Votec has created a clean package with a number of nice touches that one should be able to appreciate after a closer look. Componentry leans towards high-ends tastes, with an XTR drivetrain (including a triple-ring crankset ), Sun Ringle Charger Pro wheelset, and Formula's The One brakes, all of which add up to a $4699 USD asking price. If you are looking for some German flavour in your life but don't want to spend that much, Votec also offers their Comp version that uses the same frame and a mix of XT and SLX running gear for $2999 USD.


Votec VM150 Team Details

• Intended use: trail/all-mountain
• Rear wheel travel: 150mm/5.9''
• Aluminum frame
• Tapered head tube
• Four-bar, Horst Link rear suspension
• Dropper post cable routing
• Syntace X-12 thru-axle
• Sizes: sm, med, lrg, xlrg
• MSRP $4699 USD


Votec
  The bike's tapered head tube features an interesting form (left), and hinged cable guides (middle) mean that you can forgo using zip-ties. We've always liked Syntace's minimalist X-12 thru-axle (right), even if it does require getting out the multi-tool to remove on the trail.

VM150 Team Construction Details
Given the blended lines and stealth black colour scheme, you would be forgiven for mistaking Votec's aluminum VM150 frame for one constructed from carbon fiber. That quiet appearance is at odds with an impressively well-executed frame that only gives up its details upon closer inspection. In fact, Votec's entire lineup takes a covert approach to bike design that offers up far less flash than other brands. Minus the seat and head tubes, you won't find a single round tube anywhere on the black Votec, with extensive hydroforming used throughout. The large diameter down tube tapers from its massive forward section into a more oval shape, with the slightly dropped top tube taking the same approach. Votec went to great lengths to eliminate the need for zip-ties on the VM150, with concession for a dropper post being made with three green anodized aluminum clamps on the top tube, while interesting hinged housing guides are used on the underside of the down tube. Those who use the over-the-tailgate approach to a bike rack should take note that, while very clean looking, the down tube cable routing on the Votec isn't ideal for that method of transport.

Given that Votec is a German brand, it shouldn't come as a surprise to see Syntace's (also a German company) X-12 aluminum thru-axle system employed. Yes, it does require the use of a 5mm hex key to remove and install, but it is an elegant and simple design compared to the 12mm quick-release thru-axles on the market, and we've had nothing but good experiences with it in the past. Like many brands these days, Votec chose to go with a 6'' post mount rear brake setup. Unlike many other brands, though, you won't find any ISCG chain guide tabs around the VM150 Team's bottom bracket shell, a big minus in our books given that the potential owner of a bike like this might very well consider fitting it with some type of dual or single-ring guide. An ISCG adapter plate could easily be clamped between the driveside threaded bottom bracket cup and shell, but that seems like a bit of a shame given how well thought out the rest of the frame is.

Votec
  The VM150 Team utilizes a four-bar, Horst Link rear suspension design to control its 150mm of travel. It may not be pioneering, but it is executed nicely.



Votec's Suspension Explained
While the VM150 Team most certainly doesn't break any new ground with its suspension design, the bike's four-bar, Horst Link layout is executed quite well. Beefy chain stays pivot from just above the bottom bracket, tapering down to the rear pivot and a very stout looking set of axle clamps. Votec has created a rather interesting looking seat stay bridge that offers enormous amounts of tire clearance and a unique look, but it also takes the place of a more traditional bridge that would make contact with the back of the bike's seat tube at bottom out. With a rather odd shape, the two-piece, bolted together rocker link itself is equally distinct - we would assume that a straighter connection between the rocker link pivot and top of the seat stays would make more sense, but the Germans chose to take a more roundabout route. Everything is tied together with countersunk steel bolts that sit flush in green anodized caps and thread into large aluminum hardware on the opposite side. The aluminum caps looks as if they feature
spanner slots for adjusting bearing tension, but said slots are for purely cosmetic reasons and the pivots employ a straightforward sealed bearing arrangement. It is worth noting that rear-end maintenance requires five different sizes of hex keys: 5 and 10mm for the main pivot, 4 and 6mm for the rear pivots, 4 and 8mm for the upper seat stay pivots, and 4mm for the rocker pivot and shock mountain hardware - a bit of a cluster in our opinion.



Specifications
Release Date 2013
Price $4699
Travel 150
Rear Shock Fox Float RP23 Boost Valve 200x57mm
Fork Fox 32 Talas FIT TerraLogic taper QR15 black 120-150mm
Cassette Shimano XTR 11-36t 10-fold
Crankarms Shimano XTR w/ 42/32/24t rings
Bottom Bracket Shimano XTR 73mm BSA
Rear Derailleur Shimano XTR Shadow 10-speed
Chain Shimano XT CN-HG94
Front Derailleur Shimano XTR 3x10
Shifter Pods Shimano XTR 3x10
Handlebar Syntace Vector DH 760mm 20mm rise
Stem Syntace F109-TI
Grips VOTEC LockOn Grips
Brakes Formula TheOne Factory, 203/180mm
Wheelset Sun Ringlé Pro Charger
Tires Schwalbe Nobby Nic 26x2.4/2.2 "EVO SnakeSkin TubelessReady Trailstar compound
Seat Fizik Tundra 2 MG
Seatpost RockShox Reverb
Votec




Votec VM150 Team
Riding Impressions

bigquotesWhile extremely proficient when it comes to technical climbing, the VM150 Team unfortunately gets only a mediocre grade when the terrain gets serious.

Setting it up: The Votec's straightforward rear suspension layout and easy to understand FOX fork and shock make for a bike that is easy to wrap your head around when it comes to using a shock pump and turning dials. We began with a 30% sag figure out back but added more pressure after a few rides in order to bring that number down to 25%, with it quickly becoming apparent that the VM150 Team is impressively supple at the top of its stroke for a 150mm travel air-sprung bike, enough so that we could run the bike slightly firmer and still enjoy positively awesome, traction-inducing small bump compliance. The moderately higher air pressure in the FOX RP23 added vitality to the bike's personality, a fact that would greatly help the bike's performance when stomping on the pedals. Up front, the FIT TerraLogic-equipped FOX 32 fork, with a travel-adjusting TALAS dial, rebound adjustment, TerraLogic controls, and air spring pressure, is relatively painless to get sorted quickly. The TerraLogic system is essentially an automated, mechanical design that employs a spring loaded brass weight (FOX calls it the 'Brassmass') to control the fork's ability to either be firm for pedalling or open up to absorb impacts. A dial at the bottom of the right fork leg allows users to tune the TerraLogic threshold to their liking. There are no on-the-go compression dials ala the FOX CTD damper, and the TerraLogic system takes the place of any sort of lockout lever, making the Votec's FOX 32 a great fork for a rider who would rather get on with riding than tinker with settings.

Climbing/acceleration: The VM150 Team's combination of ultra-supple rear suspension and inertia-valve FOX 32 TerraLogic fork make for a bike with an interesting personality when it comes to gaining elevation. The Nobby Nic tires offer traction in spades, and when the bike's rear suspension is left open it feels as if you could climb up the side of a barn with ease. So long as you don't stand up and start throwing around your body weight - we found it easy to eat up a lot of the bike's travel if you didn't put some thought into what you were doing. Of course, flipping the shock's Adaptive Logic lever to the ProPedal setting takes care of that unwanted movement, but we'd rather not feel the need to make that move. The FOX fork's TerraLogic system made for a firm feeling front end when getting over the bars during an uphill sprint, a feature that those contesting a cross-country race finish line sprint will surely appreciate, but also one that we have to question on the front of a 150mm travel bike despite it matching the rear end in travel. There was also a near non-stop rattle from within the fork, presumably emanating from the system's brass weight, that we found quite annoying.

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  Facing a wall of a climb? The Votec out-climbs a lot of other 150mm travel bikes with ease while allowing you to stand up and throw your weight around without worrying about spinning out.

Technical riding: Technical climbs were a treat on the black Votec, with the bike squirting up challenging sections better than a 150mm travel bike should be capable of. A lot of this is due to its relatively quick handling - the Votec steers quicker than its 68° head angle would have you expecting, as well as a rear end that seems to manufacture its own traction when none is available. If you are pointing the right direction and committed, the VM150 Team won't be holding you back. We rarely felt the need to use the fork's TALAS feature to quicken the handling, as the bike's agile temperament didn't seem to require it, and even the tightest switchbacks were dealt with relatively easily. Wet or loose trail surfaces didn't necessitate a shift in body weight to keep the rear tire grabbing, allowing us to sit and spin efficiently instead of adopting an awkward position on the bike to improve traction. It is fair to say that the Votec makes a lot of other bikes in the 150mm travel bracket look foolish when it comes to slow, technical climbs that resemble more of a chess match than riding a bike.

The traits listed above that create such a potent technical climber also have the same effect as the trail starts to point down, so long as the speeds and terrain don't get out of hand, that is. Slower, technical trails that require precision and deft bike control are where the Votec really shines, rewarding a rider who prefers to pick their way down the trail instead of a more forceful approach. Hairball root lines, knife edge traverses, and ultra-tight corners are the Votec's forte, excelling above other 150mm travel bikes that have steadily been leaning more towards balls-out riding than technical plodding over the last few years.

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  We didn't feel comfortable on the VM150 Team as the speeds and terrain picked up in severity, and we found ourselves being overly cautious far too often.

Downhill: The flip side of the Votec's technical skills becomes apparent when it is time to stretch the bike's legs on faster, rougher terrain. It's when the speeds pick up that we found the bike to feel a touch ''pointy'' in the handling department, with a decidedly quick-steering feel to it that would have us again guessing that the bike's head angle is steeper than the advertised 68° (we measured and it isn't, though). This sensation is amplified as the terrain becomes steeper, and we never really felt comfortable when asking the bike to ride closer to our personal limits. We found ourselves questioning Votec's choice to spec the FOX 32 TALAS FIT TerraLogic fork, with it tending to eat up its travel quickly after the first impact, likely a large factor in the bike's overly quick handling when aiming down steep chutes. We know that the TerraLogic-equipped 32 performs well within its realm, but we can't help but wonder if we'd feel more at home on the Votec if it came with a 32 Float 150 FIT RLC instead. As it is, we became progressively more hesitant as the terrain increased in speed and size.

Votec
  Can a set of brakes be so powerful that they detract from the bike's performance? We think so, with Formula's The One stoppers offering up power and initial bite that makes more sense on a downhill bike. The bike's triple-ring XTR crankset allowed us to relax a bit more than usual on our steep singletrack climbs, and the clutch-equipped XTR Shadow rear derailleur kept us from dropping a chain.


Component Report:

Shimano XTR triple-ring crankset: Good - the relatively wide gearing range (at least compared to the dual-ring drivetrains that we are so used to seeing) was a boon when we wanted to sit and spin our way up a climb, or for commuting to and from the mountain on the road. Bad - having to pay more attention to what gear we were in isn't something that we missed after riding so many bikes with dual-ring setups, although chain slap isn't an issue like it used to be thanks to the clutch-equipped XTR rear derailleur.

RockShox Reverb dropper post: Good - without a traditional cable to contaminate, the hydraulically-controlled Reverb is the most consistent performer on the market for our monsoon-like B.C. riding conditions. Bad - the position required by both the right hand Formula brake perch and the Shimano shifter pushed the Reverb remote so far inboard that we actually had to slide our hand in on the grip to push it. Because of this we found ourselves having to anticipate needing to drop the post earlier than actually required.

Formula The One brakes: Good - a hell of a lot of power is packed into these Italian stoppers, making them great for bigger and/or hard charging riders. Bad - That much power will likely making them feel like overkill for a lot of riders. We'd likely de-tune them by dropping down to 6'' rotors front and back if the VM150 Team was our personal bike.

Schwalbe Nobby Nic tires: Good - Schwalbe is doing some seriously good things with their tires. The Nobby Nics on our VM150 Team were exceptionally predictable and didn't give us a hint of trouble. Be sure to take the time to set them up tubeless so you can take full advantage of them, though. The only way to find even more traction would be to mount up a set of their Hans Dampf tires, although there is no use in replacing the impressive Nobby Nics until they wear out.


Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesVotec's VM150 is an interesting bike that took us by surprise. While other companies are making moves to increase the competence of their 150mm travel bikes to match the needs of downhillers-turned-trail bikers, Votec has clearly targeted a less aggressive group of riders for their VM150 Team. If you put us on the spot to describe the ideal rider for the VM150 Team it would be someone who puts as much (or more) emphasis on the climbs as the descents, possibly a straight-laced cross-country rider who is looking for more travel in their life. The bike can obviously be ridden on some serious terrain - it does have just under 6'' of travel after all - but it isn't the most surefooted in its class. Aggressive riders who only climb under their own power to access big-boy terrain likely won't fall in love with the German machine. Its FOX 32 TerraLogic fork and lack of ISCG tabs, not to forget the bike's rather nervous personality on fast or steep sections, add up to a bike that can't match other options with similar travel on the downhills. - Mike Levy

www.votec.com


84 Comments

  • + 15
 Well it is a typical German mountain touring bike. Pretty much all of their 140/150 category is set up that way.
  • + 13
 Check this out:

160mm travel www.propain-bikes.com/category.php?cid=36
or
www.propain-bikes.com/category.php?cid=23

looks awesome, i had the dh bike called rage, that thing rode quite awesome so i'm sure the tyee will be a very good descender!
  • + 9
 I know. German bikes are great. But people need to realize that they make 2 types of AM/Enduro bikes, the touring ones as Cube AMS 150, this Votec, Propain Headline. Which are meant to be comfortable and are designed for traveling long off-road distances, and climbing huge mountains. And the competitive ones, which are 160+ meant for bombing down anything you can see. For instance Alutech Fanes, Votec V.SX, Propain Tyee.
  • + 1
 jeah exactly. even Cube has the Stereo, placed as am-bike but more descent-orientated than it's inhouse pendant, the ams 150. we seem to be a bit crazy in this niche Razz i honestly don't understand why we build 2 kinds of bikes for the same category.
  • + 2
 It's simple. For racers, and for casual users. Sometimes a normal (noncompetitive) rider doesn't need a ultra machine to get his kicks up.
  • + 1
 Although this does not look like a bad bike... I find it unacceptable in the current market to have a 150mm trail bike that does not decend with authority.
  • - 2
 SOME PROPAIN bikes is built by ASTRO ENG in TAIWAN!
  • + 3
 Last Herb 160 and the Propain Tyee. I've got one and want the other.
  • + 1
 Nice 2005 Turner Five Spot they got there Smile . 2-degree Works Components offset headset solves all the problems in one step. Then this thing would be awesome.
  • + 2
 @hypermoto - An angle-adjusting headset and fork swap would surely wake the bike up on the downs, but it seems like a shame to have to do those things. There are certainly places where the Votec will shine, but technical/fast descents aren't one of them, and a different bike would simply make more sense.
  • + 3
 What an odd mish-mash of parts on that complete build. XTR (with a triple no less) but no Kashima shock/fork, Sun Ringlé Charger wheels instead of Black Flags, way overkill The One stoppers instead of something like the R1s or even XTR to match the drivetrain.

Also correct me if I am wrong, but the rear derailleur pictured does not appear to be the Clutch model. I don't see gold the Clutch lever in any of the photos.
  • + 1
 I don't see it either, but it's speced great for the price. I would dump the Terralogic TALAS fork though and pick up a Float or a Revelation. And as long as it doesn't have any Avid brakes, I'm happy!
  • + 0
 It does have a Clutch xtr mech "and the clutch-equipped XTR Shadow rear derailleur kept us from dropping a chain."

But I agree the brakes are overkill and othe parts af the bike are underspeced compared to the xtr parts
  • - 3
 The Talas and RP23 are Kashima coated. That said, I agree on triple, doesn't make sense on anything but entry level bikes IMO.
  • + 1
 I realize that the article says that the derailleur is a Clutch model, but it doesn't look like a Clutch derailleur to me. Like I said I don't see the gold Clutch lever.

Also the RP23 pictured is not a Kashima shock. Kashima RP23s have a fully gold can as well as a gold stanchion. Likewise the color of the stanchions on the fork does not scream "Kashima" to me. And there is no mention of Kashima on their website either.
  • + 1
 @seraph - Good catch on the Shadow derailleur. That note was from another review bike.. not sure how it got in there but it is gone now. No Kashima, either.
  • + 3
 It is really cool to see all of these great euro bikes being reviewed here on PB. But does anyone know definitively when the Specialized FS patent runs out so we can get these great looking Horst-link bikes in the US? I did my research, but have seen anywhere from 2011 (not true), thru 2017.
  • + 1
 My thoughts exactly.
If it's not licensed, what's the point of telling us the price in USD?
It won't be sold there until either the patent runs out, or they decide the license the design.
  • + 1
 The USD price is nice to have simply for comparisons sake. Your point is noted, though, and we'll have the EU price in there for later reviews.
  • + 3
 Hmmm. $3000 for cheaper model and almost $5000 for the top one. With so many choices there that have better frames and more fun to ride and cost way less?
This bike is for XC nerds that want big travel shocks and top brand names. It weights 12.8kg or 28.21 pounds, xc weight and design of it. No, putting 150mm travel on xc designed bike doesn't make it all mountain in my books, mountains are up and down with lots of bumpy rocks and things in between. Components are great but it all has to work together not just for climbs.
  • + 3
 This review reads to me as the same as my Canyon Nerve AL+ but twice as expensive and not as slack.
Nearly all German AM bikes ride the same. Completely neutral but geared towards climbing. Plush at the back. Blows through the travel so needs more air. Too steep at the front.
  • + 1
 It's a shame, Votec once was a noble firm with highest quality handcrafted material... they even had their own double crown forks which blew the competition away easily. It was on par with Rotwild, Bergwerk, Steppenwolf and other handmade German bike manufacturers.
But they all were pricey as hell and the firms went bancrupt one after the other.
Since then, there is nothing more to it than the name... If I remember correctly it's just another "Bodo Probst" designed frame like "Radon" and a few other companies. Rotwild and Steppenwolf had the exact same fate, about the others I don't know.
Actually, this ugly thing even looks like a Rotwild. It's really sad.

At least we have some decent stuff left like Ghost, YT, Canyon, Cube and ProPain.
  • + 3
 I keep seeing this! Lack-luster frame designs being showcased with a bunch of high end components. Components don't make the bike!
  • + 2
 I hava a Canyon nerve am bike wich is allmoast the same bike as the votec.These bikes are more of agresive xcers than all mountain bikes.Very comfortable bike four touring big hills
  • + 1
 @octav - ''These bikes are more of agresive xcers than all mountain bikes'' is bang on.
  • + 1
 A little too XC for a 5-6" bike IMO.
Agree with praise for Nobby Nics but I think they are better than Hans Damfs for AM riding. Recently changed from 2.35 Hans Damfs to 2.25 Nobby Nics (both the spendy EVO, snakeskin, TL variants) on a 29" Transition Bandit. Of course 200g per tire makes a huge diff going up (esp on 29" wheel), but traction is also prob BETTER here in Oregon, and so far they can take a lot of abuse for a lighter tire.
  • + 3
 So I thought it was commonly established that bikes in 150mm travel range are supposed to be slacker than the HA of 68 deg. Pass...
  • + 2
 The head angle will work for some riders, but not us. I would say that the ''pointy'' feeling front end is a combination of both the slightly steep head angle and the fork that wants to drop into its travel.
  • + 1
 For the price there are alot of bikes that can do it all. The frame looks good, i like the cable routing. But for the price a bike that cant handle the ride down as well as up i would stick with the mojo or a comparable bike. Just my opinion.
  • + 10
 Ironically, the Mojo is a notoriously bad descender. The head angle is just way too steep.
  • - 6
flag dannyhuber (Mar 18, 2013 at 3:44) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah except the Mojo looks 1000X better! In my opinion Smile
  • + 8
 And we all know that if the bike looks fast, it is fast!
  • + 16
 That's why my first mod is always to add flame decals...
  • - 2
 hahaha. i hear you evan1gill. the boys got all the gear n no idea Wink
  • + 0
 @seraph - perhaps it's a case of poor tradesmen blaming their tools. Doesn't seem to slow Brian Lopes down – but that's because he has talent and doesn't rely on the mystical "perfect bike" to mask his flaws
  • + 1
 Brian Lopes not withstanding, I have ridden the Mojo and so too have many of my friends. They are good all-around bikes, but not very good at descending compared to other bikes out there. Lopes is a great rider and would be able to schralp on almost any bike out there. What he rides is irrelevant.
  • + 5
 would be nice to know the weight
  • + 2
 Yes, I agree. How was this even left out of an article like this?
  • + 1
 Well what do you know !! ... I knew it, I just knew it, we're (the bike industry) going the same way as the car industry. I look at cars and think to myself ..... they all look the same, they're all jockeying for a same recognition,manufacturers charging what they like, all trying to sell us their latest version of nothing new at all really. I'm getting a bit bored with it all to be honest with you. Why would you buy this bike rather than any other bike of the same geometry......zzzzzzz
  • + 1
 If anything, I would argue that this Votec is quite different than a lot of other 150mm bikes out there.
  • + 2
 It reminds me of the older Scott Genius that was sold in Europe when it was using the Horst Link. I do like the details, especially the cable clips.
  • + 0
 So what I got from this is don't buy it because it's bad on the dh? I think it would make sense to have a 160-170mm travel bike if your doing more endure but if you are riding say and alpine trail that has minimum dh then I think this bike would be good.

Just my 0.2$
  • + 14
 Compared to other 150mm bikes, not those with 170mm, it doesn't perform well.
  • + 30
 Your twenty cents?
  • + 2
 Good one
  • + 1
 Uphill XC german niche product. It is what BIKE magazine and their advertising direct sellers push into the market. HA hoovers around 69 degree for ever, short chainstays, lockout. It does uphill well, people could but never will.
  • + 1
 Mike, do you think that the Terralogic fork was causing some of the descending issues? I had a 11 Fox 120 on my Anthem 29 and it was such a bad descender with the Terralogic. Switched it to a Float and it was a lot better.
  • + 3
 in other words, it's a stupid bike with crap geometry
  • + 3
 Could not agree more Wakaba - those Germans seem to design five different bikes for Transalp challenge. Designers seem to be those of a kind that goes to Garda festival, uphills on fireroads and rides down to Riva on asphalt, to take a pic by the lake, eating gelati, dressed in lycra. These days if you design a 26er in XC/AM segment it better be damn flicky and creativity inspiring, because the "all day riding" segment is sold out to 275 and 29". Anything with 150 fork must have at least 67 HA these days - got it? Nao duu it ygen!
  • + 4
 Transalp is a marketing myth. Nobody knows anybody ever doing it. These bikes are made for lycra tarmac riders with Alpine glasses. Nothing mountain about them.

Mainadvertisers of BIKE are direct sellers. Every season they test the same 6 bikes allover again. Germans add up the testscores and buy. Chinese sweatshopware made to feel like its german made. Ego swells because their buying decision was a vindicated "Ueberragend!". Barbarian for Exceptional.

For everybody else: You fool overpaid for a boxmoving bling bike that everybody will be sneering at because its such a pos.

Schuuultz!
  • + 1
 @Jhou - For sure. It's a combination of the head angle and the fork that eats up its travel.
  • + 1
 If nothing else, the hinged cable guide system seems to be the best I've seen. No zip ties, and it won't fall off when you unscrew it, unlike most others. Everyone should start doing this
  • + 1
 hell of a lot of cash considering it's purpose.. but very nice sleek design and at least the fork is adjustable.
The One brakes?! seems a bit overkill to me but maybe not.. helps explain the price though!
  • + 3
 So I fitted my benchmark renthol 60mm stem and renthol fatboy bar and threw myself down fort William.....
  • - 1
 Renthol? How do fok did you foind tha toim to doe yt?
  • + 3
 Chainstays are too long for an FSR rear end.
  • + 1
 Every time I see companies coming out with new bikes like this I regret my purchase of my 2012 Specialized Camber comp 26, but I still love it
  • + 3
 When will they learn you can't do 140+ travel with a 32mm stanchion?
  • + 1
 If given the choice of having them stand up more in their travel or more chassis stiffness, I'd choose the former for sure. Both would be ideal!
  • + 2
 Revelation anyone?
  • + 1
 Could not agree more
  • + 2
 605mm for the top tube seams a tad short. Specialized are 617 on their stumpjumper evos...
  • + 2
 jeah..we've got way better am bikes than the Votec..shame..
  • + 2
 Lovin' the green pivot points!
  • + 2
 Not interested! I will happily stick with my Banshee Rune V2!
  • + 2
 The extra 10mm of travel (especially if its paired w/ the CCDBair) and slacker geo on the Rune make it practically a DH bike compared to this Votec. Different tools for different jobs in my mind.
  • + 1
 Trek Fuel with more travel? I'm my opinion if you only need 32mm sanctions, you prob only need 120mm of travel.
  • + 2
 VOTEC is short for "Totgeglaubte leben länger" Smile
  • + 2
 A 150mm bike that's crap at going down ........ no thanks
  • + 1
 the horst link will drain your energy during climbs. at that steep price they should have used better suspension systems
  • + 2
 are you really that ignorant? Horst climbs fine. Ever try a Stumpjumper or Epic.
  • + 1
 looks like a trek remedy...
  • + 1
 more like a Fuel
  • + 1
 I run a fuel and will stick with trek for bang for the buck! I'd rather a remedy over this thing
  • + 1
 Price actually seems very good for the build!
  • + 1
 I am so dang in love with my Nomad C!
  • + 1
 its got old man geo, of course it sucks going down
  • + 1
 Looks like it rides shit. would not buy iy
  • + 1
 fug-diggidy-dugly
  • + 0
 I'd get the $3000 one!
  • + 0
 "fox"y. me gusta
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