New Aluminum and Carbon Santa Cruz Models

Jul 12, 2016
by Vernon Felton  
2017 Santa Cruz Models
Santa Cruz Bicycles just rolled out a new crop of bikes that are a bit more wallet friendly than the top-tier carbon models you’ve already seen. There are new aluminum versions of the Bronson, Tallboy and 5010. There’s now also a complete range of Carbon C models (Bronson, Tallboy, Hightower, Stigmata…you name it) that bring the price point on complete carbon bikes down a good bit.

As for the clicking and whirring bits, both Santa Cruz and Juliana are offering up new build kit options at both the high end (SRAM Eagle at the XO and XX1 levels) and the low end (SRAM NX). That’s the quick and pithy intro. Now to get a bit nerdier…

2017 Santa Cruz Models
Santa Cruz has added aluminum frame options for the Bronson (shown here), Tallboy and 5010.

GOING METAL
Not everyone is a fan of carbon. Or maybe their bank account isn’t. Either way, Santa Cruz is now offering the latest-generation Bronson, Tallboy and 5010 models in aluminum. Frame-only options will sell for $1,899. Complete aluminum models will have entry-level prices ranging from $2,599 (5010 and Tallboy) to $2,999 (Bronson).

If $2,999 doesn’t sound like a smoking deal for a ready-to-roll aluminum Bronson, it’s worth noting that it’s the same price as the high-end Carbon CC Bronson frame.

Which Santa Cruz models don’t currently have an aluminum counterpart? Those would be the V10, Highball 27.5 (though the 29er version does come in aluminum), Hightower, Nomad and Stigmata.

Santa Cruz 2017
You add about a half-pound (250 grams) of weight to the frame by going with the less expensive Carbon C version, but the price savings is substantial.

LESS-EXPENSIVE CARBON
Santa Cruz has been offering a lower-tier carbon frame option on select models for a few years now. The Carbon C frames weigh, on average, about 250 grams (half a pound) more than the pimpier Carbon CC frames. According to Santa Cruz, the Carbon C frames are just as stiff as the Carbon CC versions. I’ve ridden several of the Carbon C frame and can say that the price saving is more noticeable than the weight increase.

To put all this into context, the base-level Carbon C Hightower (outfitted with SRAM NX, a Fox Rhythm 140 fork, and SRAM Level T brakes, etc.) now sells for $3,599. That’s about $600 more than what you’d pay for the half-pound lighter Hightower CC frame alone.

There are now Carbon C versions of the 5010, Nomad, Bronson, Highball 27.5, Highball 29, Hightower, Stigmata, Tallboy, and V10. Juliana offers Carbon C versions of the Joplin, Furtado and Roubion.

2017 Santa Cruz Models
Both Juliana and Santa Cruz are offering SRAM Eagle 1x12 groups at the XX1 and X01 level. They are also offering a more budget-friendly SRAM NX 1x11 kit for their entry-level options.

NEW BUILD KITS
Santa Cruz was one of the early companies to start designing bikes exclusively around a single chainring drivetrain (Kona beat everyone to the punch with the Honzo, but Santa Cruz wasn’t far behind). The goal? To make rear ends shorter while still allowing for decent mud clearance with bigger tires. While plenty of riders have been on board with that, there have been hold outs who contend that a 10-42 wasn’t offering enough of a granny or, conversely, a high enough gear for their massive, race-shattering quadriceps. Well, while Eagle is still a new commodity, it does effectively offer a lot more range on both sides of the cassette. Both Juliana and Santa Cruz are offering the 12-speed Eagle XX1 and X01 kits to their spread of build options. The kits include Eagle shifters, chains, cassettes, and cranks. The only X01 build kit not going Eagle is, no surprise, the downhill-specific, 7-speed X01 group on the V10s.

What about riders who don’t have the cash for Eagle? Santa Cruz and Juliana are offering an entry-level “D kit” that consists of SRAM’s NX 1x11 drivetrain. NX will show up on the base-level aluminum Bronson, 5010 and Tallboy. Juliana is offering it as well on their entry-level, Carbon C-framed Furtado, Joplin, and Roubion. Still not into the single-ring thing? Santa Cruz and Juliana are also offering 2x kits on several models.


JULIANA SHOCK TUNES
While it doesn’t get a ton of press, Juliana specs all their models with a lighter shock tune than the corresponding Santa Cruz versions. In other words, while the Roubion sports the same frame as the Bronson and the Joplin is, for all intents and purposes, the latest Tallboy, the Juliana versions have different shocks since women are, on average, lighter than men of an equal height. The different shock tune and different cockpit components are what truly set the Juliana models apart from the Santa Cruz versions. Why doesn’t Juliana offer bikes with female-specific frame geometry as well? They just published their stance on it here.

2017 Santa Cruz Models
All sorts of new colors are on tap for 2017.

NEW FRAME FINISHES

Colors—Santa Cruz has some new ones on tap for the following models:

5010 – Gloss Red & Mint; Matte Carbon & Yellow
Bronson – Slate Blue & Orange; Matte Carbon & Slate Blue
Highball 27.5 & 29 – Grey & Red; Matte Carbon & White
Stigmata – Yellow & Mint; Matte Carbon & Slate Blue

Learn more at www.santacruzbicycles.com


MENTIONS: @vernonfelton




132 Comments

  • 145 6
 Santa Cruz - y u no make aluminum Nomad?
  • 33 46
flag poozank (Jul 12, 2016 at 12:48) (Below Threshold)
 Because it's the flagship bike for starters. Save your pennies.
  • 38 3
 I betcha they make an alloy Nomad when they roll out an updated boost version of that model.
  • 19 159
flag norcal77 (Jul 12, 2016 at 13:04) (Below Threshold)
 @tlilly: Why would anyone want an aluminum bike...SMH
  • 13 9
 I think they aren't making the nomad in aluminum cuz it's more like their "prized" bike and want to keep it on the high end of things. I'm sure in a few years they will realese a aluminum one though. Also the nomad s or c whatever it's called is not that expensive. Like 5k I believe, and that's for a carbon bike..... I'm ready for the incoming comments saying how 5k is a shit ton of money and I should lend them some money. Bring it on :p
  • 11 2
 mine is a 2009 and it is alu and the ride is killer
  • 78 2
 @pigit77: 5k is a shit ton of money and you should lend me some money
  • 43 0
 Is okay, I Nomad.
  • 2 4
 @tlilly: doubtful, especially since the new Nomad is more than a year away. They don't even have prototypes for it yet
  • 1 2
 When you consider that Santa Cruz tries to keep the same stiffness/strength between their carbon and alloy bikes, I imagine a comparable alloy Nomad would be a bit heavy if it has to carry a lifetime warranty and handle DH-level abuse. The complete C carbon bikes are pretty affordable now ($3800 for the new R kit), so perhaps they don't think the market would support it. I do prefer the aesthetics of alloy so I'd love to see one as well, but it has to make sense for their bottom line.
  • 3 0
 @norcal77: Cuz we all broke
  • 83 8
 Cheaper Aluminum bikes with better spec > Expensive carbon bike with mediocre components every time imo.
The thing that I find funny is that companies tend to paint their aluminum bikes extremely ugly colors whilst the carbon models always tend to get some trick color scheme. When companies invest time into their aluminum and don't weld the bikes sloppily they tend to turn out really well. Trek's Alpha Platinum aluminum is almost indistinguishable from carbon.
  • 42 7
 I prefer to have a carbon frame to upgrade the mediocre parts on. Parts are going to wear out no matter what.
  • 8 5
 Exactly why I got my Bronson in aluminum. Saved me some dough and it has good components on top of that. As far as looks of aluminum, Santa Cruz does a pretty good job at making the aluminum bikes look nice. I've had plenty of people mistaken mine for the carbon model Razz
  • 4 4
 I'm looking at new bikes right now and finding this exactly. It's disappointing, as I'm going to lay down a fair chunk of cashish for the best value bike that suits my riding but there is a good chance that when I look at it, I'm not going to think "f*ck yeah", which is a shitty situtation.
  • 10 1
 @cleangetaway: But.....you live in Squamish! lucky !@#$!@#
  • 3 1
 @endlessblockades: This is the best option IMO... The frame and suspension are the most important foundation of the bike. All the components are going to have a much shorter life span and are easily upgraded when needed.
  • 6 2
 @endlessblockades: You are a well advised customer my friend. Having a nicer frame is ALWAYS a priority in my humble opinion. In 4 years of riding I've pretty much replaced every single part on my bike, maybe even twice, because of wear or a crash or even just shiny new things as well. None of those parts were worth the frame though. If they'd make a real cheap, budget build aluminum the argument would make sense but building cheap(er) frame with high end parts is just a way to ask for more money than they should in my books.
  • 6 0
 @cleangetaway: you gotta say "f*ck yeah" when you look at your bike! That's the best part of this sport is loving your bike when you ride it lol and if that takes a a longer time to save it will be so worth it when you smile everytime you see your bike and think this the absolute shit.
  • 8 3
 @endlessblockades: I prefer to buy a cheap used bike on pb that i can fix into my dream machine. And we'll I could never afford a spank brand new carbonium piece of parking lot bike envy creating midlife crisis toy. I think sc is doing this cause German bixe are coming to america. Most bixe are made by slave labour and sold for absolutely obsene amounts of money.
  • 2 2
 @Gasket-Jeff: parking lot bike?
  • 2 1
 @Zxhead: probably what he means is carbon is too valuable to ride on the trail. God forbid it gets dirt on it or worse, scratched.
  • 2 1
 @MaxAlary:

yes, good advise, I always buy the complete bike for the "frame", if you do your research you can find out what you are really buying under the paint.

I bought my new 29'er hardtail complete bike (GBP £1400) to get the frame, there was the same T-700 carbon fibre frame use across that model's range

buying the base model and flogging off all the parts pays a big chunk off the bike cost - cheap way to get a quality frame which is not available aftermarket.
  • 3 0
 My Alu 2008 Nomad is still going strong bombing dh tracks and parks like a champ.Not a creak out of it.
  • 2 0
 So glad i went for an alu Orbea Rallon. For 3,500 you get fox 36, x2 rear shock, atlas carbon bars, cranks and dropper post. Wouldnt see santa pose putting out a bike for that price and quality of components.
  • 1 1
 @cleangetaway: look at orbeas 2017 range and you might change your mind.
  • 1 0
 @Rubberelli: as is mine but had my first ride on my Bronson 2 tonight and it is better in all respects. I suspect it won't be as durable though.
  • 2 1
 @Zxhead: Those with expensive turquoise carbon IMO spend more time show and shining them at the parking lot then they do riding. The good riders are usually the ppl with the beat up old bixe
  • 1 1
 @Gasket-Jeff: I beg to differ as one of those "with expensive turquoise carbon"...
Of course it won't even cross my mind when I'm riding down the French Alps on my Nomad C in 2 weeks time! Wink
  • 1 0
 @lochussie: I thought the same thing when I got my Mega, but you know what: Still rocking the Nomad. Coil front and back. Its my mini dh.
  • 33 5
 Aluminum nomad please!
  • 11 3
 I'd buy an Aluminum Nomad in a heartbeat.
  • 2 0
 Me too Aluminum looking for that Nomad Alu...
  • 20 0
 So there is 250g weight difference between the carbon c and the carbon cc - how much weight difference is there between the carbon frame and the aluminum frame?
  • 45 1
 onemind123@ this is top secret man, u don't ask that kind of things....
  • 4 0
 That's what I want to know. I remember there only being about a half pound difference in weight between the carbon Tallboy V1 and alloy V1, and if that's all the difference there is now the alloy model will still build out to 27lbs fairly easily.
  • 12 1
 Often the weight difference between alloy and carbon can be negligible. Less than a 1/2 pound or a pound (which is a lot or a little depending on your preferences). The big difference is in the feel. Compliance, stiffness, damping, etc... Carbon and Alloy just feel different. And as with all things biking, everyone has an opinion on which is better.
  • 3 0
 @Duc1098: Agreed, but manufactures aren't always very open about frame+shock weight. That'd be rad if Tallboy Alloy was 6.5lbs in size large, but I'm not holding my breath.
  • 5 0
 I just looked this up for the Bronson, and the alu frame weighs essentially the same as the cheaper carbon bike. So there is no weight penalty, except for all those bills in your wallet.
  • 1 0
 @shortsguy1: Uhh, how did you look it up? Did someone weigh an alloy frame already?
  • 6 0
 @PHeller: I just went to the SC website and was surprised that the ALU bikes were listed already. You have to "Launch Bike Builder" and then it gives you the weight next to the second picture down from the top.

Alu bronson, S kit (what I would probably get), 30.6 lbs
Carbon C bronson, S kit, 30.42 lbs
Carbon CC bronson, XT kit (their lowest version of this bike), 28.74 lbs

I guess 0.18 lbs (82 grams) isn't trivial when you are spending thousands of dollars, so maybe my original statement should read "the alu frame weighs only slightly more than the carbon C".

They don't state it, but historically SC would provide weights of a medium bike without pedals.
  • 1 0
 @shortsguy1: Nice! Last night when I saw the alu frames were released on bike rumor I went to the Santa Cruz site and their were no frame weights listed at all...
  • 2 0
 @gapos999: it is 80g difference from the heavy carbon and 330g from the CC
  • 2 1
 @shortsguy1: Strange, basically no difference between ALU and C, but 1.68 lbs between C and CC when supposedly C vs CC frames are 0.55 lbs. Not sure I believe there's 1.13 pounds difference between the S kit and the XT kit... Same tires, rims, tubeless. Carbon bars are the only real difference maker I see. What am I missing?
  • 1 0
 @Bob12051968: try weighing two identical tyres and see the difference there can be. Think i remember seeing Jerome Clements doing it a while back to show.
  • 1 0
 @Bob12051968: how 'bout hubs? I'm not looking on the current website myself, but I have a lower end SC build from a couple years ago that come with an XT rear hub that weighs 495 g. DT Swiss 350 is something like 200g lighter.

My recollection from about the same era was the Carbon frames (when they only had one grade) were about 1.5 pounds lighter then aluminum and if one had the $ it was a cheaper way to save 1.5 pounds then going to a higher build level (cheaper spec. on a carbon frame was cheaper and still lighter then the next higher build on aluminum). At the time I was of the mindset that carbon was better option as the cheaper parts would be upgraded in time but I'd keep the frame for much longer, but I couldn't afford either so I got the cheap build on aluminum! But that was then and this is now...
  • 2 0
 So apparently SC has changed their website since I checked the weights of the various bikes. So the weight of the Aluminum Bronson S is now given as 31.62 lbs, or 1.2 pounds heavier than the cheaper carbon bike. On some level, I am not surprised because if they weighed the same, very few folks would pay more for carbon. Anyway, sorry if my earlier posts caused confusion, but I promise you that the weights I posted here were exactly as they appeared on the SC website a week ago.
  • 21 0
 Shimano XT 11 speed. Couldn't have fit that in there somewhere? Yes, I'm a fanboy.
  • 2 1
 Yeah now it looks like some bikes even have sram shocks so Santa Cruz is sraming out.
  • 20 3
 The real news is that they've killed the Heckler. Apparently someone at SCB has a fetish for bearing changes.
  • 6 2
 Bantam is gone, too. Maybe they're just in the process of updating them to be single pivot versions of the Bronson and 5010, like they were before, now that those bikes have changed. Then again - entry level versions of the Bronson and 5010 in aluminum now go for $2999/2599, respectively, with NX-level 1x11. That's not much more than those single pivot bikes cost before they were discontinued. I'm guessing that the expense of creating yet another package, with yet another frame, would eat up the cost of the simpler layout, so there's not much there to have any sort of margin on. My fiancee rides a Juliana Juno (their version of the Bantam, with slightly thinner grips, a different saddle, and narrower handlebars) - that's been a solid ride. Retail on that was right around 2700, and it's been a really solid bike for her. Say they brought that back in the new geometry - it's hard to see how that competes too favorably with a Process 134 (which, for pretty much the same money now, includes a dropper, but has you stuck with 2x). Probably better to stay with the more complicated setup for everything and have better economies of scale.

Funny thing - I rode both a Bantam and a Heckler, and damn, those bikes felt really good. Climbing, yes, the Heckler got a little spongy and you had shock platform to make that work OK, but downhill they were just smooth as can be. I ended up with a Process 111, which has a similar feel downhill - a well designed single pivot is a beautiful thing, and you can't argue with the ease of maintenance if you've got fewer moving parts.
  • 21 3
 No more Heckler Facepalm
  • 4 3
 Seriously? I read the article again but I must have missed it. I thought this article was just about new models, not about which of the current ones retire. I think if they plan to retire the Heckler, they first have to release a batch of tartan printed Hecklers. Strictly limited to one thousand. Once these are sold out, they release a batch of cow printed Hecklers. Strictly limited to one thousand again. Once these are sold out, they release a batch of hand painted frames by Rob Roskop himself. These are probably going to be even more limited. I expect it will take a while before these are all sold out.

But if it is true, would it be because of Orange? They retired the Bantam when Orange probably started the development of the Four. And now that the Orange Five got curvy, the Heckler had to go? Competitive, this single pivot market.
  • 6 2
 I hope you are wrong....seriously hope.


I had a 2009 Heckler that is still running on 1 bearing swap in 6 years. It's been retired to my father, but the thing was serviceable in 15 minutes and with a modern shock the bike was equally as capable as any of these 10 bearing having, more expensive, more labor intensive bikes. After 1 service on my multi-link single pivot current bike (8 bearings total and near impossible to get out some of them) I was depressed that I gave my Heckler away.


My next frame was going to be a Heckler...now Santa Cruz is dead to me.
  • 5 1
 Just checked their website. Damn, they lost their minds. No Heckler, no Superlight (and the Bantam and Bullit are still gone). First Cannondale, now Santa Cruz. What do we need all those pivots for?

Orange, the single pivot world is yours. I know you take pride welding those works of art out of tiny lasercut snippets of aluminium. Now, could you please weld up some rough simple beast with proper geometry for cheap?
  • 2 0
 @y0bailey: with you, Hecklers were a tough single pivot bike, liked it better than my Bronson & the Bronson2 is marginally better, but the smart $$ was the Heckler.
  • 1 0
 It would have been smart for SC to do a one last send off of the Heckler with some bitchen paint job and make a big deal out of it. It's one of the defining bikes in their history. Ironically I just saw a bunch up in Mammoth. Some shop rents them out apparentky. Haven't seen so many in one place in years.
  • 1 0
 Mine's pretty much maintenance free, just like my hardtail. It's a great weapon too with a CCDBair, the single pivot rocks! They never marketed it very well probably because the margins on it were too low. I guess my next bike will have to be a Orange then, although I can't see the Heckler breaking anytime soon!
  • 3 1
 @y0bailey: The new VPP Santa Cruzs are insanely easy to service and they do lifetime bearing replacement to the original owner of the bike. The quality of suspension performance over a single pivot or single pivot linkage is going to win out for most too.
  • 2 0
 Long time heckler owner and lover, the way it descends is like no other bike. Mine is short shocked and it feels like a mini dh bike, plush and playful. I was actually waiting for a new heckler, update mine but I guess I'll ride mine out till there is nothing left. Then Santa Cruz will be dead to me with out a heckler. The low maintenance is key when your looking after almost ten bikes there us enough work with fork service, brake bleeding, cables, creaking. My lady has a Rocky thunder bolt she bought in 2014, between the presss fit, and bushings in the suspension there is always something to fix.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Ironically, the Heckler for 2015 was only offered in an ugly Orange color and most likely had poor sales due to that. So much for the budget frame.
  • 2 0
 I buy a new Heckler every 7 years whether I need one or not. I'm not due for my next one until 2020 but I might need to push that a few more years. There are other options out there but they are drying up. So long to the single pivot era. Soon everyone can join the pivot maintenance club...unless they join the hardtail club in defiance. They silently dropped the Heckler. Poor marketing...they could have celebrated the event and offered their die-hard fans an option to buy a limited edition. As some people said - they are dead to me.
  • 15 4
 Why are people surprised that the single pivots bikes are gone?
Its the first thing a new group owner would do - streamline the range and cut costs...

A lot of people complained about the pinks and magentas so they have dulled the colours down, but now too much imo. Love the reds and yellows in the range, but the new bronson is fuggin dull.

Santa cruz used to be my #1 brand - now I get way more excited by Evil, YT, Intense, Ibis
  • 3 1
 I loved that magenta colour. If I had that money to spend if have bought a full carbon cc bronson for that colour alone.
  • 1 0
 I feel your pain, have you noticed the underside of the downtube is now almost all-black instead of showing a contrast color logo? Just the change to two colors instead of three make the bikes look a little more dull. That and the lack of a flashy color on at least one of the two color choices.

Maybe they're trying something that's a little bit different. I kinda like the slate color on the bronson even though its not as flashy looking as the black/magenta of 2015 or the kalixmoto of 2016. I just wish would've included a third color in there somehow.
  • 15 1
 What, no steel option? Aluminium ain't cool no more brah!
  • 7 0
 I'm saving my money for the Ti version.
  • 19 6
 So did the dentists and surgeons market dry up and now Santa Cruz are having to make non douche bikes again?
  • 15 4
 12-speed: For when you just don't have enough worn out chains in your life.
  • 8 0
 bad choices on the new bronsons colors, IM disappointed
  • 3 1
 The slate looks rad in person. SCs colors dont look that great on the internet but they look good in person.
  • 1 0
 I like the color of that Juliana above. Even if it does remind me of Gumby, damn it.
  • 8 1
 augh still no frame only option for C
  • 3 0
 Wish they would do an aluminum kit with top end suspension; ie Factory or Performance Elite Fox jiblets, PikeRCT3, x2, CCDB, ect.

And then a dumbed down drivetrain; GX or SLX

...and then really nice wheels.

Looks like I'll be getting an Alloy frame only and realizing my dream from there. Have demoed many SCs lately and they are mind blowingly good!
  • 3 1
 Clearly the new big corporate company (Pon Holdings) that owns Santa Cruz is looking to make more cash and have the bikes become more accessible to the average mtb biker.. . And that's a good thing. They will definitely sell more bikes this way. As long as they don't mess with quality of the high end bikes everybody is a winner.
  • 2 0
 RIP to the Heckler.

I knew the AL Bronson was dropping, but never heard the Heckler was flat getting dropped.
Maybe either a Boost or a DH std rear hub Heckler version will surface, but I know I'm lying to myself. No more single pivot SC's.

Sadly my old Heckler was a solid 80% of my Bronson2, and a Heck was better to me than the Bronson 1 - from a guy who owned all 3, no bias.
  • 7 2
 Surprised to not see a New Nomad with Boost
  • 8 1
 Hopefully they get smart and just skip to boost plus, 157 using existing dh hub stuff.
  • 3 1
 I imagine they are updating the Nomad to fit metric shocks right now. I'm not thrilled to see it only offered with the monarch rc3. I'm hoping when they update the Nomad they offer it with more downhill oriented rear shocks. An adjusted flip chip like the hightower would be sweet also. I'm surprised SC hasn't tried to sell carbon rims like Ibis. The deal with Enve must have some nice kickbacks to SC.
  • 3 1
 @erik2k10: I'm pretty sure the vivid air is an option on a nomad.
  • 1 1
 @erik2k10: the push 11
  • 4 0
 Unbelievable they pulled the 2015 Aqua color of the Highball CC. The Grey / Red or Black / White is boring.
  • 3 5
 Maybe because Yeti was a little angry they used their 30 years trademark paint scheme to confuse people to buy their bikes? Just maybe...
  • 2 0
 @MaxAlary:

Pretty sure the current nomad teal/yellow is more offensive to yeti than the highball
  • 2 0
 @MaxAlary: Yeti lost all trademark rights when they went bankrupt in the 2000's hence a COOLER company (aka YETI coolers) used the same script for their logo.
  • 1 0
 @racecase: Yeah I've mistaken it with the teal/yellow scheme sorry about that but doesn't change the point. I don't think it has to do with the trademarks honestly, more about image. It wasn't my intention to bash on SantaCruz anyway love them actually. Just a quite coincidential color isn't it?
  • 3 1
 I am a little surprised they are just now doing lighter tunes on the Juliana suspension - I would have thought that'd be one of the first thing they did when launching a women's line
  • 7 1
 Aluminum V10 ???????
  • 1 0
 I'm happy with my 2012 nomad c, 26" with 135 qr rear, front mech and external cables.
I don't feel the need to ever replace it, I've not noticed anyone keeping up better on what ever latest / greatest bike they're on.
Chris king hubs and headset, hope brakes and Santa Cruz frame is a bike for life. no bearings to worry about and everything is user serviceable.
  • 2 0
 No Chameleon! I'm hoping they re-introduce it with a little longer tt, slightly slacker ht, and maybe bump the stock fork up to 140-150. We'll see... It was the foundation for a great rowdy hardtail!
  • 4 0
 killed the chameleon and heckler D:
  • 3 0
 Much sadness!!! I wanted a 2017 Chameleon!
  • 1 0
 I still think they will come back as 27.5 plus bikes...?
  • 1 0
 I just saw that Wolftooth has made Boost adapters for various brands of 12x142 hubs. This is great news since it means I can pick up a new alloy frame and transfer all my stuff over from my v1 Bronson.
  • 1 0
 Not quite designed around single ring, if it has accommodation for a FD. See Whyte's SCR bikes, where they make frame improvements in exchange for ditching the FD, like widening the main pivot.
  • 2 0
 I'd like to know how much the new Bronson frame weighs compared to the old model
  • 1 0
 What I want to know- whats up with those raceface wheels? They are not turbine R's, those are 30 on the inside. These rims say AR40. Hmm.... new aeffect wheels?
  • 2 0
 So 'pimpier' is a word now....Thank you pb for routinely expanding my lexicon of bike world colloquialisms.
  • 2 2
 The 11-speed drivetrain of my month-old (2016) Bronson is feeling rather stale today. Thankfully (surprisingly?) still happy with the kalimotxo colorway from last fall.
  • 1 0
 Eagle for low gears, plus aluminum frame to keep cost under $5000? Gold is my favourite color for wearing parts.
  • 2 1
 Was there supposed to be an link to why they don't do female specific geometry?
  • 1 2
 ???? Juliana????
  • 2 1
 @dv8416: is just a rebadged mans bike with a different seat, bars, etc.
  • 1 0
 What about a photo that shows how the VPP link fits around the aluminum BB ?
  • 2 0
 Where are the XT equiped packages....Best performace to $$$ ratio
  • 1 0
 Honzo was the first bike designed around single ring? I have a rebuttal: DH bikes.
  • 2 0
 Hah! @groghunter, you are certainly right. I meant the first trail bike designed around a single ring. Fair point, though.
  • 1 0
 @vernonfelton: Tongue thoroughly in cheek sir, thoroughly in cheek. Couldn't help but give you a little hassle, even though I knew what you meant.
  • 1 0
 Happy there's aluminum S builds.

Disappointed the 5010 looks like butt (when it was so hot last season).
  • 2 1
 Where is the link to the Juliana specific geo?
  • 1 0
 Hey, @MikeyMT, it's in there now. Sorry 'bout that. Cheers.
  • 1 0
 @vernonfelton: @MikeyMT: were not counting the lack of a XL frame as "specific geo" are we...?
  • 1 0
 Those Fox decals look awful. Glad there's metal options.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, they really do look terrible!
  • 2 1
 Hurrah! The Santa Cruz line-up is ugly this year!
  • 1 0
 Santa Cruz v10 aluminum remake, s'il vous plait Smile
Its been too long !!!
  • 1 0
 How much will the bronson be
  • 2 1
 Sales must be bad
  • 1 0
 Plastic bro-mad
  • 1 0
 It's not about the ....?
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 I was hoping for a 26" version, but that's just hopeless.
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 I think there will be no problem fitting a bronson frame with 26" wheels
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