Yesterday Commencal 21 Team Manager Charlie Juliá shared a photo of Amaury Pierron with cornrows and the words "Next level n----tion" in his Instagram Stories, which Pierron subsequently shared in his own Instagram Stories with the caption "Rap carrer in the making” set to Bobnlarry's 'N---- N---- N----' song.
Today, both Pierron and Charlie Juliá have posted apologies in their stories.
 | About my last story: I would like to sincerely and deeply apologize to all. I reposted a picture, a song, and a term for which I don’t understand the true and painful meaning. If I could turn back time, I would change my actions. At that moment, I was just happy to show my braids that a Senegalese friend made me at the beach, and I regret that I didn’t weigh up the impact of what I was doing. I always want to treat everyone equally. A person’s appearance or background never changes how I act towards them. I try to do good every day. But I messed up. It was a mindless moment with heavy implications. I recognize that I have a lot to learn about the subject and history more generally. I acknowledge that my position as a public figure comes with responsibility - especially in the messages and images I share with people who might look up to me. I will take more care in the future. Again, I’m deeply sorry if my actions offended you and for having been disrespectful to anyone. |
| I’m sorry. I want to apologize to all the people who felt offended by my story last night with my friend Amaury Pierron. I am showing something that neither I nor Amaury share and that unfortunately nowadays is very present in our society. I didn’t know that this song and these words had so much evil in the. Believe me, if I did, both Amaury and I wouldn’t have played it. As a child I suffered from racism because of my skin colour and my origins. I never thought that people could think that I am a way that is not the right way, that I don’t share and hate. I always try to help people, to have a good relationship with everyone, no matter this skin colour, belief or wealth. Simply, I am very sorry for using words that I didn’t know exactly what they mean. Unfortunately I do now. I just loved Amaury’s braids and wanted to share it. I’m sorry from the bottom of my heart. |
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american with a black father. I experienced all sorts of real racism growing up in Tennessee and this isn't it. I don't believe in bad words, I look for context.
Poorer whites and the middle class had to compete with slave labor (impossible), and much automation/mechanization was delayed.
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Everything he said is factually true, believe it or not. Too bad you don’t know that
A few Jewish people participated in African slave trade to the Americas, but something like a few dozen and they made up a tiny portion of those participating in slave trade.
If you want to sling wild conspiracy theories, this isn't the place for it.
Weird
I can think of a Patti Smith song that might make these modern folks uncomfortable. Do you only listen to male singers, though?
Every culture on earth had slaves at one time or the other. There’s a giant slave trade right now
I support your argument and I’ll let whoever be whoever, however they want. My position will remain the same.
The amount of arrogance and ignorance on hear is utterly staggering.
You should probably stop talking.
Do some research on the history of the American economy and the origins of real estate. The american economy was absolutely founded on the slave trade, and the original land deals and mortgages hinged on how many slaves an owner had and could trade.
Cotton. Look into it.
That being said, nothing makes me want to be less a part of pinkbike than a bunch of defenders of poor little “POC” like me… that work so hard to prevent racists that they end up acting like ideological dictators that want anyone who disagrees banned. Way to make the comment section an echo chamber.
Perception of history is a different thing, most history is written from the point of view of the winners and therefore written from the winners perspective. Choosing to learn history from known peddlers of false narratives and conspiracy theorists, is not a matter of perception.
I'm not trying to defend anyone at all, just trying to counter known false information.
That is the trouble with all platforms that have users contributing through comment sections. If people are able to keep vocalizing falsehoods and lies then those can become the truth for some people. I'm sure a person could link several articles that claim exactly what he said as the truth, then a person could speak down a terrible rabbit hole of fake information.
It is though harmful to try and claim Jewish people were in control of slave trade to the Americas, or that indigenous people were better off for being colonized. This is a type of thinking that needs to be called out when seen.
I'm also glad to have a civil conversation with someone online, pretty rare these days unfortunately.
Yikes. Google Patti Smith: Rock and Roll Ni**er. everyone needs to expand their horizons.
I am going to put the internet down right now for the day, because you made my day and I don't want some f*cktard to come along and screech about oppression and whiteness, and have my mood go to shit. Have a good day, sir!
Agree completely. Dr Dre 2001 is one of the best albums ever made, but it’s also one of the most offensive. If people listen to this over and over so they end up knowing the lyriks (see what I did there) then it is going to sanitise how offensive it is in their mind.
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Stop defending it as if they are ignorant to the reality because honestly, you and anyone else defending it like that is utterly stupid and absolutely in the wrong.
Furthermore, he has actually acknowledged his mistake and apologized, and if people are going to refuse to accept an apology and continue complaining afterwards then they're simply unreasonable people. I understand that people want to campaign against bigotry, but wanting to crucify people even after they've admitted to their error, apologized and made it clear that it won't happen again... well what else were you hoping they'd do? Is it because using a particular word is such a cardinal sin that it can never be forgiven? Or is it more about people being annoyed that they can't continue to hold the moral high ground if they accept an apology?
just testing to see if they'll sensor it.....they didn't
I agree with you. we either destigmatise it entirely, eliminate it's use entirely, or....status quo until the race wars start in 4.....3....2....
huh!???
again, for your little pea brain, all I'm saying is that if you don't want society to do 'insert behavior' then you should minimize how much you do 'insert behavior'. Hopefully one day CNN will do a cartoon special and you'll get it.
The word has more than one meaning. It means brother, homie, friend… it means fool, punk, mf-er. White people used the word as part of a dehumanizing campaign, but now it’s a black word. After hundreds of years of it being used as a pejorative, they have rightly seized ownership, and can use it however the hell they want. The community can also disagree within (they do). You and I can have an opinion about it, sure, but it doesn’t and shouldn’t factor into the conversation. It’s their word, and nobody can say shit about how to use it.
this isn't really hard to understand, hopefully you'll see the loop soon enough so we don't have to keep going around, you'd think you're old enough but...
And again, if they really hate hearing the word so much, why are they popularizing it? You don't see jews dressing up as Nazis and saluting each other while demanding nobody else does it. It's a metaphysical fact, one you are really struggling with, that if you want to see less of a certain behavior, then reducing the behavior is the only way it can be done.
By your rationale, are you ok with black on black violence? Or just upset with white on black violence? if despicable behavior is acceptable as long as it's within a homogenized community, then you're obviously ok with gang violence right?
I get what you're saying, there is history behind the word, history of the culture, etc. But it doesn't change the fact that demanding people not do something you do every day and insisting you are ALLOWED TO BECAUSE OF YOUR SKIN COLOR, is stupid and racist.
I think you're unintentionally ousting yourself as a racist lol.
And before you accuse me of equating jews with black people, it was an analogy.
Now no offense but if you can't come to terms with these facts, and that's what they are, then we needn't continue this discussion. just keep believing everything you're told and don't critically evaluate information.
If there were whites who enslaved whites and called them by that name too, using it for hundreds of years to dehumanize them, they’d own it too. But it didn’t go down like that, did it?
Though it doesn't matter in the grand scheme really, everyone had a part in it, the first legal slave owner was black, and quite a few white people owned slaves.
Slavery sucks, but most people on this planet has owned slaves or been enslaved at some point in history, most have been on both sides of it.
The whole racism debate in USA currently, is a distraction so won't go out and lynch the people making EVERYONE into slaves now, the 0,01% want people divided, that way the aren't at the pointy end of the pitchforks.
A Racism debate exists in almost every country. Here in the US there were so many racist policies and activities for hundreds of years that it was institutionalized. This lasted long after slavery was made illegal, for instance it was okay to discriminate based on race just over 50 years ago on housing and the practice continued long after it was made illegal in 1968. This massively changed the opportunities available for some and was a large driver behind the fact that the average black family was 1/10th the wealth of the average white family.
You're trying so hard to say the truth without actually saying it so you keep dressing it up like I'm ignoring history when I'm not.
Bottom line: you can't use the N-word if you aren't black, and being black is the only requirement. Furthermore, black culture repeatedly telling people to not use the word while they continue to use it in every day speak, is counter productive. personally I don't care bc it's like someone punching themselves and complaining about being punched. People who don't accept it are just dumb.....
The only 'us vs them' mentality we should have shouldn't be on racial, ethnic, or sexual lines, it should be the people vs the corrupt gov officials and the businesses (apple, Nike) that are actively promoting slavery everyday. Side note, isn't it funny that even with Nike essentially being known for using child/slave labor and they're still the most sought after shoe? Really shows you the depth of our priorities.
Does Boeing make drones? Yes.
Have we bombed Syria? Yes.
Have bombs been used and killed people that they shouldn't? Yes
Is a 10x wealth difference(171k vs 17k) between white and black families a "little difference"? No.
Do things like the 1921 Tulsa race massacre still matter today? Yes
Does the fact that people if color were not allowed to live wherever they wanted to, by law, 53 years ago, still matter? Yes.
Is there any debate over who has been marginalized more in the US? No. Does it even matter? Shouldn't we just not marginalize anyone and try to right the harm caused by previous marginalization?
I am definitely not saying that this is a "us vs them" thing at all, so why are you quoting that? It is exactly the opposite of that. You need to understand that tons of really terrible crap went on, that we need to hear people that are still being effected by those things that have happened in the past and are still happening today. Boeing, Nike, a government appointment, Syria, and weddings have nothing to do with that crap that happened, or how it effects people.
What I'm saying is that we have the most racial tension/outbreaks/riots during election cycles. Democrats are notorious for visibly exciting and encouraging racial tension/rioting (protesting if you believe robbing a store is some form of protest), and Republicans don't do a good enough job at integrating communities in the more urbanized areas. However, the biggest threat to the people at large is still the government promoting division amongst it's people. We have essentially monetized political influence, and turned politicians into celebrities, all while ignoring that the system of legislation and judicial enforcement are being corrupted from the top down. People THINK that shit happened 100 years ago to their ancestors affects them more than the shit happening today, which is pretty ridiculous when you think people are more upset about slavery that didn't affect them, than the slavery they are helping affect.
Big companies mostly steer our policies and therefore our government. Public opinion has nearly no influence on policies, it is nearly completely dictated by the money and organization of the largest companies and industry groups. Many Republicans have taken a firm stand on making sure that it is harder to reduce big companies influence of companies on our government. Citizens United case is now 11 years ago and our political landscape has been changed quite a bit since then.
It is definitely to the biggest companies advantage to try and create division by pointing out what a person doesn't have and create a need to try and get it.
I happen to agree with you that things would be better off without it entirely, even among the black community, but you in particular are proof that people who can be called a "n***er" can call the shots about who says "n**ga". You have zero understanding.
How about this: go find 5 black people and tell them that they need to stop using that word in order for them to reasonably expect others to stop using the word. See how that works out for you. I'm done.
And you keep trying to make it about the 'history' of the people, but you're evading the point.
how about this:
IN A PUBLIC SETTING, HOW WOULD ONE DETERMINE WHO IS SOCIALLY ACCEPTED TO USE THE "N-WORD" AND WHO ISN'T, WITHOUT KNOWING THEIR FAMILY HISTORY?
you keep avoiding answering my question bc you know I'm right, the rule is if you're black it's fine if you're not its not. And I'm not saying black people shouldn't use the word, I don't care. I'm saying they shouldn't use it IF they don't want to hear it. Pretty ground breaking huh?
That is the single most racist comment I have read on Pinkbike, ever.
You are indirectly calling black people violent savages, while pretending you're not a racist, wow dude.
Your whole premise is flawed. Of course, the easiest way to identify who owns the word is by skin color, but only because it's pretty damn safe to assume that in America, the a black person is very a descendant of a slave and/or has faced racism as a result of their skin color. People don't call Latin Americans that word - it was reserved for black people. I can't believe I have to spell that out.
Skin color defines a particular historical experience for black people in this country. It's that simple.
What other way would anyone take that?
It's the same as the typical "Do X and see what happens" people say before starting fights.
just put your fingers in your ears and stomp your feet like every other middle aged white savior already. you can't fathom that you're wrong so you just insist I'm lying. rich.
Haha you mean like every news station ever on the spreading misinformation
Even if you're not lying (which you most definitely are, and you know it), that I gave you a shitty anecdotal test doesn't change the fact that you and I are outsiders and our opinions don't mean shit.
Your insults are boring as hell.
Once more: I'M NOT NOR WAS I EVER ARGUING THAT USE OF THE WORD IS HOMOGENOUS ACROSS ETHNICITIES, NOR AM I ARGUING THAT THERE IS NO INHERENT HISTORY BEHIND THE WORD.
and did you really get upset that I used the word bitch in an analogy because they 'didn't have the same history' then use ginger in yours? lol, once again, zero awareness of your own ironic idiocy.
Unless you or kurt are going to demonstrate how you can discourage and diminish unwanted behavior by maintaining/increasing participation of said behavior, then you guys aren't arguing anything that I care to discuss, you're just trying to argue against some right wing talking head that you think is arguing against black people having rights. which again, i'm not.
I can’t wait for your next 5000 word essay on how you’re super totally not a racist. Go on.
Jesus I'm such a f*cking hippy.
Your argument boils down to ignoring skin color to determine equal and fair rules of conduct, and that it will solve the ills that racism has brought upon our society. That's pretty not racist, as I understand it. But yeah, it ignores all context, which is pretty ignorant. Why is the onus on equally on black people to stop using a harmful word that white people coined, when white people won't stop using it? You're not wrong that it would probably help a little if black people stopped too (again, I agree with you), but it's a dumb thesis to endlessly argue when a certain sect of white people will never stop. Imagine being black, forbidden to use the word, while oppressors continue. They're fully within rights to own the names given to them and use them for their own purposes.
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I think he is really a mud troll. The hair is where he hides his secret gold.
Suspended is one of the posters that's well aware of what's going on in the world around him.
I do know white folks with hardcore ghetto passes that can say it with their black homies and tons of Latinos in my neighborhood use it, but they are far from being middle class honkie ass mountain bikers like us and AP.
I honestly hadn't heard the Ginger song before or realized the rearranged letters spelt Nurga when someone posted the sentence above.....sue me.
You could always make another one.
So what, a (for me still fantastic) french guy who obviously likes hiphop or rap a lot, thus having heard the n-word a million times in songs is being stupid about his hair and tries to be funny - not knowing that the world has forgotten to take bad jokes that weren’t even remotely meant the way that it resonated with today’s overly “politically correct” mindset.
off camera we’re all the same and i’m 100% convinced that we all know that he’s a guy with no disrespect to anyone and like all of us - a stoked community member.
For me personally. The use of a word in songs regardless of the colour of the skin of the artist is the same as I don't discriminate based on skin colour.
Nobody has the right to use the word.
Also AFAIK Amaury is from rural central France, not the most up to date region^^.
He could be blamed for his music tastes though :p
Its a highly emotive word for the reasons we all know and shouldn't be used.
Maybe I am a little PC, new age in my old age and think everyone should be equal, treated equal and held to the same standards and accountability.
And while there surely is racism in France, it would be most primarily visible against north african/maghreb people (or french people of north african/maghreb origins). For instance the war of Algeria is still taboo in France, kinda like slavery is in the US.
Your social currency manifests itself if you're offended and/or speaking sanctimoniously.
Any conflicting facts or views can f*ck off as we have been reduced to emotional reactionaries.
In this particular case I am outraged. Outraged that it happened in the first place in 2021. However I am not angry, especially since despite the naivety (benefit of the doubt) and at worse wilful ignorance initially displayed, it’s very clear that both have learned a very valuable lesson and that no true harm was intended.
Also as has been said here and there in these comments, in France we may be exposed to the N word in hip hop culture a lot, but we may not be much exposed to the whole weight that comes with it in US culture, and consequently the link between the US N word and its french equivalent is not that clear, as eventually we end up being exposed to the US N word more than to its french translation.
It's exactly the same in France.
Was the intent to be racist and massively offensive though? The faux pas is so insanely dumb, I can't believe there was any ill intent behind it. Just a total lack of awareness of _why_ it is so offensive.
Also guys, as a general note, keep in mind there are cultural differencies between the US and France : We can show tits on TV.
Do you mean "white kids" from Belorussia? Northern Spain? Croatia? Estonia? Do you mean ethnically French? Your point rests on the validity of cultural overlords dictating who's allowed to do what. It's wrong to do that.
There are a lot of sick black riders coming up. Look at skateboarding these days to see the future 'extreme sports'. I'm super proud to call myself a (old, former) Skateboarder.
What I don't get is how the same people will make arguments about how awful the elitism and supposed tribalism of these white gate keeping mountain bikers is will simultaneously defend black people using the N word or excluding people of other races. Tribalism is tribalism and I don't care if you are white or black it still applies. You can't defend one form of tribalism and then attack another. It's beyond hypocrisy.
As far as Amaury and Commencal team manager, can't claim ignorance or naivety anymore. IIRC there have been protests in France about worker's rights, immigrant rights, and police brutality so I'm not buying their apology. More like they knew what they were doing at at least some level and just didn't care.
"There is no racial bigotry here! You are all equally worthless!"
I know, let's publicly write something massively racist and completely tone deaf, sure to get us likes & shares through the roof!
Maybe I'm wrong and they are a bunch of Nazis, but I just can't see it.
Why?
Because they don't bother doing anything of value to support any of these causes IRL, the only energy they expend is to type comments and share posts in attempt to cancel someone, only to make themselves feel woke and important.
I literally work full time for one of the largest bicycle brands in the world working DAILY to make a difference in regards to racial issues SPECIFICALLY within the bike industry.
But keep telling yourself that you're in the right by going against those who stand up for others because you're 2 cool 2 b woke
I don't speak for my employer in anyway, but feel completely supported by them when standing up for what's right
It's just a word, it's not going to actually hurt anybody.
We can agree it's in bad taste to use it without overreacting. Try it out.
It's a compliment - Because they are intrepid travelers
Thanks for the laugh inside this dark thread.
In this day an age
Ignorant an non malicious I'm 100% sure of that.
But still inexcusable
Like fuuuuuuck
For those who downvoted my post, what do you want to do? Condemn him forever? Boot him from UCI racing? Or maybe you can find it in yourself to accept his apology, considering there isn't a specific person he's harmed and there was no ill-will intended? IMO if you can't forgive this you need therapy.
The actual point being that some things are just unforgivable.
As a professional, sponsored athlete in todays social media world he should've known this was a fkng stupid thing to do. Especially in a new era of inclusion and attracting people who wouldn't usually consider a sport like MTB or cycling as being for them, stuff like this just re'enforces that stereotype.
Doesn't really matter what we think.. but how this will effect Commencal, sales an marketing. As an ambassador for the brand he should've known this...
Yes it's a crazy world where one person can say a word and another can't regardless of context.
He should also know in todays social media world, this will follow him.. forever.
A UCI fine? A slap on the wrist?
I guess we'll just have to wait an see if he's still on a Commy next year.
Hence the Fuuuuuuck part of my original comment
I would 100% like to think He's not racist an this was a all a bit of fun, lost in translation maybe, a continental sense of humour but still... even I f*cking face palmed hard for the numpty....
Is he sorry for the people he upset or sorry for himself an what he could loose. If it was the first, he would've had enough common sense not to do it in the first place.
If you want people to believe and support you, you need to take real action.
Action speaks louder than words on a temporary 24 hour instagram story.
PS. Racism is unequivocally bad (and just plain dumb).
Racism may be tolerated more or perceived differently in different parts of the world but it’s pretty ubiquitously understood. This incident isn’t exactly nuanced, nor should it take an “American perspective” to understand it’s wrong.
A lot of what Americans call racism the rest of the world, including people of all different races, thinks is complete nonsense and a sign of bullshit academics gone crazy with influence.
Common sense would dictate that you take 10 seconds to learn about a word that you use especially if it's not in your first language
With just as much respect as you expressed in your post, feel free to f*ck off yourself.
It appears you should do a bit of research on this.
Or are you talking about the French government that is extremely suspicious of anything that isn't French?
Google search: "difference between racism, prejudice, and discrimination"
They know is “bad” but they also hear it every day in songs, films, YouTube videos…etc. They admire and want to emulate a lot of these hip hop artists. You can see white teenagers in Europe that are into hip hop calling each other the n word. Is that stupid? Yeah it is. Are they racists?. Don’t necessarily think so.
Are they aware of what they are doing? Yeah somewhat, but nothing like an American kid who raised in the middle of that struggle. It is good to educate and raise awareness towards important important topics, but it’s also important to contextualize before passing judgement.
True. However the history racial oppression in France is different than in the US. I bet there are derogatory terms that someone can use in there towards black people, that carry a tremendous weight in terms of cultural nuances. I just don’t happen to know them. He used a term that is intrinsically linked to the black struggle in the US (in addition to all the other cultural ramifications, that we could spend a lifetime discussing).
I moved to the US from Europe, and was educated on topic upon arrival. I still see friends back home say things that would not be acceptable in the US, and I know for a fact that they are not trying to be malicious.
I am not trying to tell anyone how to feel about the incident, I am just trying to offer some cultural insight for fellow Americans that (understandably) may be shocked by it.
He is not the first athlete to say/do something offensive and stupid and not the last. Let's not forget that he is paid primarily to go as fast as he can from A to B down a mountain on a bike.
Expecting athletes to be role models in society means for the most part setting the bar very, very low.
Something else more folks in the USA need to better appreciate is that for the rest of the world (you know 7.3 Billion people) many words do not carry the same weight or level of offensiveness than in their country because these words do not have the same history elsewhere. As an example, in France (where I was born and spent 27 years) and I can tell you that people use the word c*nt like they use a period or a comma in a sentence. And, telling someone they are a c*nt is the most common insult, for which people are really unlikely to be offended. Maybe it is because France is less puritan than the USA and that for most of the society is not constructed on an "honour-based" system. To the contrary, you say c*nt to someone in one of the "proud southern states" in the USA, you are pretty likely in trouble, immediately.
I hope he learned something.
One hell of a story though, I highly recommend it to anyone.
I think if he just said the words It would be one thing but when he is getting a hairstyle that is associated with black culture it puts a slightly different spin on it.
I would genuinely like to hear what someone like Elliott Jackson thinks of the situation
In this day an age of online outrage....
when some body operates on that level there's no legitimate conversation to be had with that person other than a f*cking good insult. It's all they understand
If you ever want to test whether somethings worth posting on Instagram, I always suggest standing up and saying it on top of a table in a crowded bar. If you get your a** kicked (as anyone with ironic cornrows yelling I'm next level n*nation rightfully should) its probably not going to play well.
Warmest regards,
CJ
1. You all assume that the rest of the world is fully fluent in English and knows language specificities, while we are not
2. Sorry but "for me" = my culture, my French roots and obviously my big lack of American history knowledge (BTW, what about America knowledge about other countries' history....), I did not even know that the so-called "N-word" was not to be used. You can call it a lack of culture, but I bet many of us here do not know much about other culture after all.
Frankly, I could have done exactly the same story on Instagram (unfortunately my hair is short and ginger) without having the clue of how offensive this could be for other people... So, you can blame him, but I'd very much like to see the "average American guy" behavior is similar situations in other culture...
Bye,
Point well said.
For those who don't know, US military is famous for constantly distributing razors etc to rural bearded Afghan men, in a country where the length of the beard is considered as a symbol of faith. I think it took them almost 10 years to understand this was considered as an offensive gesture
Max Commencal and the sponsors know he is not racist, saw him many times in Europe / Whistler, Amaury is a nice guy. That is why I am a bit pissed that Pinkbike is turning into a cheap tabloid.
He apologized and I am sure he is pretty sad at the moment.
(I make the distinction between doing a well dumb racist thing and being a total racist, I think this one is closer to the former).
Or were you asking why Pinkbike isn't covering those aspects? In which case, I'd respectfully suggest that it's outside the remit of an MTB site.
I have not heard a single word about its inappropriateness on any mainstream media - and personally, I reckon the treatment of women in most of this music is a bigger issue. The whole culture around this music has become mainstream popular culture, and is seen as cool. And what happens with popular culture? People want to be cool too, so it's hardly a surprise that people are mindlessly copying something they think /are repeatedly told is cool. I think everyone is barking up the wrong tree attacking Pierron. He's human. We all stuff up every day.
There aren't many turtles cruising around normally. Probably why there aren't many squashed. I suspect they are aware of Mario, so stay hidden. I bet Pierron will be on the hunt for them now whenever he's out riding.
But hey if a guy makes a joke all of sudden they became the defenders of human rights, civilization and culture.
It's a global trend, but i've never experiences such an hypocritical and stupid public opinion as nowadays.
Take some responsibility and apologize for saying and doing offensive shit
He f*cked up, admits it, and hopefully will learn. What else do you want?
“I want to apologize to all the people who felt offended by my story last night with my friend Amaury Pierron”
You're arguing in bad faith. You cherry picked words to construct a 'gotcha!' statement that was never made. If you can't give people the benefit of the doubt who seem to be trying to own their mistakes, you're a greater problem than ignorance.
Pierron may not be a racist, but the hurtful message of his post shows we are still a racist society.
Downvote away-holes in your linens shitsmears.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
That’s not me projecting insecurities, it’s me annoyed at the mediocrity and vacuity of PB commenters.
As for the racism, maybe-just maybe it pisses me off. If that’s what I’m putting out there, I’m okay with that. Wish more people got mad about racism, not when their racist views were exposed.
Hey, this internet thing is fun!!
Unfortunately in current modern societies, most people are racist by default until they educate themselves and deliberately choose not to be racist.
I appreciate the community is stepping out and is saying it's not ok and I hope we'll keep progress as a more inclusive and respectful society. There is still lot to be offended about daily, just look at how POC or women are being stereotyped or objectivized in the media, movies, music. Some will say it's free speech and the political correctness dictatorship but I beleive being offended help set some values and it's not antinomic to the concept of freedom.
AP is also known to be a not so bright guy. Not exactly surprising he posted this shit, and not surprising as well he doesn't understand why his "apology" is wrong as well. Doesn't excuse anything though
In French the equivalent word is "Negre" which also means ghostwriter. It is used by almost nobody (including for its other meaning) because it's has a clear negative connotation.
In French rap/hiphop, they usually use the word "negro". It's also not considered ok for white people in France to use this word.
If that what you think . Feel free to come to Any city and use that word around black people
and let’s see how it pans out for you bordn21 .
: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice
Imagine that aye?!
But yeah, blame it on the word and the people here for example (America), where less than 3% of the population of pre-CW colonies owned slaves.
P.S. My family, white as white can be, were INDENTURED SERVANTS during that time, no better than slaves and in fact treated like scum all the more by the ruling families of what is now Mississippi.
Wacky.
What is racist is meaning you are better than someone by your origin. What Amaury and his team manager did was not to prove that they're better than Black people in any way or making fun of their culture.
Even if you think this was dumb from them, then you have a problem with thinking everything is racist. Now if you think I'm racist because I'm French, European, male and cisgendre I recomend you to watch this video and be satisfied to live in this kind of world : www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYGFSONKbk
This reeks of people wanting to be offended.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4
Didn't France colonize a whole lot of Africa?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cmj34zmwx21t/racism
www.lefigaro.fr/sports/scan-sport/actualites/racisme-dans-le-football-evra-s-en-prend-violemment-a-le-graet-1016204. I also suggest looking into the racist abuse the English players who missed penalties at the euros have been subjected to.
Go even farther back and realize most Europeans descendants were serfs.
Sure it was the Euro finals, but still…
Such oversimplifications result in repugnant, ill-conceived conclusions and hateful rhetoric.
Comment that I replied to: In what way are Africans culturally subjugated to the French?
I replied that France had colonized a whole lot of Africa.
Then you stretch that into me blaming millions of regular French people at that time. Sorry but clearly, that was not what I wrote or what i implied with that statement.
Ignoring that France had colonized many parts of Africa would be a massive oversimplification that could help a person come to ill-conceived conclusions though. Also blaming people today for those actions would be the wrong thing to do. Instead facing ones countries actions from the past head on and acknowledging them is what all people of the world should choose to do.
If you lack the ability to use more careful and accurate words then it's understandable to some degree, but it's really just a matter of adding a couple more words. Otherwise it's extremely poor discipline of words which is the fuel divisive organizations use to keep the machine of division growing stronger.
Who were the major players at the end of WW2, generally refered to as the Allies and Axis?
It's not hard to write "French colonial powers" or "the French expansionist powers." It's 2-3 extra words and does a lot to keep things precise. Like, why not do that?
Do we have to blame Americans that wears Tatoos from Pacific islanders ?
Afterwards, yes, a few complete pricks made pathetic racist comments. But after that a shed load more people spoke out in support of Rashford and co, including the rest of the team, Southgate, other sports people, politicians, people all over social media etc etc. Hundreds more people went and put messages of support and hung England flags on the Rashford mural wall and the police went after the people making the racist comments. And it's kept people talking about racism everywhere. Obviously that doesn't make the racsim ok, at all, but the way the rest of the country reacted to it was pretty good to see.
Maybe you could read about the whole thing before making comments like that.
And to be honest, I get it to some degree. European countries are not just borders, which have moved over time, but ethnicities and cultures, with long histories. The US is almost all immigrants, and not very old, relatively speaking. We have a history of abusing the latest wave of immigrants the way whatever group we belonged to were when they arrived.
Unfortunately, US soccer team is nowhere so we don’t get to feel that. It must have been heart breaking, but no excuse for some people’s reaction.
And Trump lost the popular vote - twice.
Cheers!
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Being offended is a personal choice, and in that it is an individual's responsibility to acknowledge that being offended is a reflection of themselves and not of the offender. It all boils down to the filters that each of us have developed to view and interpret the world around us, and nobody can tell you what that should be unless you let them.
What drives me crazy about all this stuff is that it is so obviously hypocritical. I was watching a documentary recently which had a white girl who grew up in Kenya and was the only white girl in the village. She would talk about how the locals just wanted to touch her hair all the time and that she usually felt welcome but certain things would be uncomfortable to her, they had some names for her which were because of her skin colour etc etc. Pretty much the same story as any outsider would have when trying to fit in with a majority. She seemed relatively happy though. However, in the west we have this whole cohort of people who have convinced themselves that this type of behaviour is full of micro aggressions and is exclusive to white people. Some of the worst racism in America is between Mexican and Black gangs. Many of them literally despise each other and there are dozens of surveys showing very high levels of racism between non white groups towards each other. But because this doesn't fit with the white saviour complex some people have they ignore and pretend it doesn't happen. It's almost like people want to point out the bad guy, ie someone else who looks like them as there is no risk of being called out on it, and then make a huge point about how they are not like that person. They are better and morally superior and an ally to all of you minorities. But they actually don't care about the issue of people treating each other differently because of skin colour.
That's people like you jsobrie.
P.S. Every single nation on earth has been fought over, warred for, and bled while being lost by someone's tribe. I'm not responsible for one single bit of that, and I will never be cowtowed into saying so.
I used to think the concept of original sin in Catholicism was mental. Why would anyone claim that someone is born a sinner when they have never done anything. But that's what you are saying. We are all born sinners and should repent for the crimes of our white ancestors. It's mental and further proof that this wokeness is basically a religion of its own. Right down to making people kneel to show their devotion to it.
Living in Japan for 20years I don't even know the phrase, "woke"!
ahhahahha
I don't understand what you are saying and I don't use any instagram at all!
Sorry!
The n word means nothing to me and means nothing out of context.
It only has implication when you are belittling someone else.
So saying the n word on the internet has not meaning at all!
Its just a word!
sure this is being cause and being blown out of proportion due to the Internet!!!
I don't know how old you are but before the internet or better said social media platforms we had no
problem bro! People talked things out and had live discussions, it was a much better time than just being canceled from a platform for one word and no discussion!
So, the big question is how are we raising our kids to evolve into this internet world in civil manner?
This is a question no one is really addressing!!!
I too think there's to much racism in the world but over-reacting to this kind of things is not going to solve the problem. Judge people on how they act towards other people in day to day live, not on de music they like / sing.
Dumb people make dumb choices, it is a fact of life. And naturally, like everyone else, he now has to face the wind blowing into his face. What I do not understand is the apologists here. For me, it doesn’t matter if he didn’t fully understand the derogative and racist meaning of the word he used or if he is no „real“ racist (whatever that is), he made a really stupid choice and now gets to pay the piper…
If you genuinely do not understand, stay well away from the subject and don't post, its that simple.
Your answer is fascinating. Instead of attacking any of the facts I listed, you make it personal. You sound cornered and rather defensive. I am just trying to have a conversation with you (now that troll buddy is gone).
The words you are using like good, evil, converted, combined with your identity/location details (male, 51, in Scottdale Arizona) lead me to believe that your are religious and probably have a fairly Manichean view of the world (i.e. not nuanced) hence you are finding the complexity of reality unpleasant. Do you believe in god? If so, I can trash your religion for a bit to see how it makes you feel.
Do you know that your (white) self hatred comment is a white supremacist talking point?
Is the brown shirt comment a reference to nazi soldiers?
I feel no guilt about the color of my skin or the privileges I am benefiting from as a white, educated cisgender male. You probably feel the same. Where we likely differ is that I am aware that I am benefiting from a colonialist society that protects white supremacy and has some systemic racism all over, and because I am benefiting from this system, I have some responsibility to make this system and society more just and less oppressive for visible minorities that are under-privileged.
If a large proportion of African Americans find it deeply hurtful for non-Black people to use the word n*gger because of its long and painful history for them and their community/family, I can easily make the effort of not using that word. Everybody is better off and that's not political correctness, that's just a little bit of respect and self-awareness.
We can laugh and talk about everything but not with everyone. If as an atheist dude I make a joke about jews and jews laugh with me, that's fine but if it is the nazis that are laughing (and not the jews), that's not. Same principle applies with other oppressed/historically oppressed communities.
Sorry, which parts were conspiracy theory nonsense?
The history of the USA about racism and slavery?
White grievance being used as a tool to divide society, scapegoat visible minorities so the historical power structure is kept intact?
Can you summarize some of the reasonable arguments you are referencing?
I have no issue ripping apart the disgusting aspects of the western society. They need to go and that starts by recognizing the facts.
People who feel white grievance like @scary1 seem to feel, they really feel it, we must acknowledge and recognize that. There is no denying that the USA has left behind a massive number of white people, poor and middle class that are getting poorer. The problem is the narrative feeding the white grievance. Believing that their lives sucks because of BIPOC and immigrants (who have little political/economical power) is false and wrong (and by the way, that's white supremacy ideology). These folks need to understand that they have been played by their conservative politicians (left and right, labelled republican or democrat) and their rich buddies so they (politicians and rich) can stay in power and keep the system working disproportionately in their favor.
Just look at the number of white people in the USA who vote directly against their own (financial, health, social and family) interest because they would rather stay in the hole with whites controlling power than being lifted out of the hole with other people who do not look like them.
The only grievance I have is how far we’ve fallen from the greatest generation to now.
I’m not black, or a racist, I treat everyone equally poorly . I’m sorry that displeases the masses, but if we all developed a bit thicker skin and a lot more of “ I don’t give a shit” we’d all grow to where micro, macro, made up aggressions don’t even bother us. We’d be stronger .
I swear to god if you come back at me with slave ships and systematic oppression , I will find you! The answer is still the same.
If you don’t give a shit, they lose theirs.
Why even post this stuff PB? I'm sure you can get better content than this.
How far do you want to take it? I've only every met one black guy mountain biking and aside from my initial realisation that he was the first black mountain biker I'd ever met I don't think it affected my relationship with him even for a moment. What exactly is this discrimination that you think black people are experiencing in mtb?