Antidote's Exotic Darkmatter Carbon DH Bike - Eurobike 2016

Sep 2, 2016
by Mike Levy  
Eurobike 2016


Eurobike 2016

While Eurobike does have their strange fashion show that's equal parts scary and interesting, there is no award for having the most beautiful bike in the venue. If there were, it would surely go to Antidote's new Darkmatter downhill rig that's manufactured in Poland. The 27.5'' wheeled Darkmatter's good looks will come as no surprise to anyone who's familiar with the bike that it's replacing, the equally gorgeous 26'' wheeled Lifeline.
Darkmatter Details

• Intended use: downhill
• Rear wheel travel: 200mm
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Carbon frame made in Poland
• Lifetime warranty
• MSRP: 5,000 - 5,500 EUR


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A high main pivot and concentric bottom bracket linkage delivers 200mm of travel.


The 200mm-travel Darkmatter is an entirely new design from the ground up, with a wholesale change in suspension design compared to the Lifeline and its FDS linkage that compressed a vertically positioned shock from both ends. Instead, the Darkmatter employs a linkage that rotates concentrically around the bottom bracket shell to work a Cane Creek shock that's bolted to the bike's down tube. The high main pivot provides a reward axle path, Antidote says, and the reason for the change in design from the Lifeline was to improve braking traction and stability through more consistent handling when on the binders.

How so? Antidote claims that braking forces cause the bike to squat into its suspension travel towards the sag point, which keeps the geometry in check.


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The bottom bracket linkage is especially impressive looking, despite this particular bike still being considered an unfinished prototype. The burly concentric rocker appears to only be attached to one side of the bike's bottom bracket shell, but it actually extends half way into the shell where another bearing resides, completely hidden from view. Antidote says that while this setup makes for a very unique appearance, it's also extremely difficult and expensive to manufacture; they plan on making around twenty limited edition Darkmatters that use this setup before going to a more conventional rocker link that pivots on bearings at each side of the bottom bracket shell.

The Darkmatter's relatively high main pivot makes running an idler pulley a necessity, and Antidote has also machined their own heavy duty pulley that looks like it'd be at home on some sort of tank engine. It isn't adjustable in height, though, as the company says that designing in a slotted, vertical adjustment would allow for too much flex in what is an extremely vital part of the drivetrain.

Instead, Antidote manufactures different sized idler wheels that can be swapped in and out to adjust how much drivetrain forces affect the bike's suspension. Not as quick as loosening a bolt to reposition the idler pulley, but more reliable, claims Antidote.
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Differnt sized idler pulleys are used to alter how the drivetrain works with the Darkmatter's suspension.

When it comes to geometry, a large Darkmatter frame has a 445mm reach and 610mm top tube length, and all three sizes have the same 435mm chainstay length and 63.5-degree head angle.


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The bike's down tube is shaped this way to help rocks glance off rather than allow for direct hits.


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Shift and brake lines run inside the frame.


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And how much is it? Manufacturing the carbon and kevlar/Vectran-reinforced frame in Krakow, Poland, means that there's no way it can compete price-wise with even what most people would consider high-end downhill frames being made overseas. Antidote doesn't have final pricing quite yet but is expecting it to cost between 5,000 and 5,500 EUR for a frame which, in a way, makes the carbon Darkmatter the Pagani of Polish mountain bikes. Queue calculators worldwide being used to calculate exchange rates.


110 Comments

  • + 155
 Now if only pagani had roof racks
  • + 30
 oh but surely Jon Olssen can take care of that problem next time he gets a pay raise.
  • + 21
 carbon travel case with ti hardware my buddy made for one of his customers. i think it was like $15k haha. will that suffice?

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  • + 5
 Maybe Horacio could take care of you
  • + 9
 Just imagined that sat on a carbon roof rack on top of a Huayra BC... Even though it's probably not possible... Jizz everywhere...
  • - 1
 @rejean: pretty sure he can do that now but he´s not into dh nether does he have a car apart from a golf car at the moment. Do you watch his vlogs?
  • + 2
 @kennyken1015: No can do...
Gull wing doors mean no roof rack for a Huayra.
  • + 2
 @Skootur: I know...I am heart broken...
  • + 49
 Looks like an F1 car shit out a DH bike.
  • + 29
 my lifeline is the best dh bike ive ever ridden soooo if it still feels like that but maybe with a little rearward axlepath commencal supreme v4 and devinci wilson mixed in I'm gonna have to start cutting off body parts - anyone here need a liver?
  • + 2
 It says this current design is very expensive and difficult to make and they'll only make 20 before going to something else, so I'm guessing the something else will be normally priced!
  • + 2
 @toad321: It's only referring to the asymmetrical link around the bb.
  • + 3
 @the-mountainbart-experience:

Yes that's what I mean, that the eye watering price is for the 20 made this way, and that there will be a normal price for the general frame, one would hope anyway.
  • + 1
 FUCK! I meant to upvote you. Sorrries
  • + 2
 Antidote sells small volumes and the main cost is not the linkages, but the molds for the main frame layup. A change in design at this stage will double the life time production costs for this frame, not to mention for different sizes. CNC time in poland is not cheap and also takes a long time. Antidote will cover their initial production costs with a limited run before switching over to the revised design for a larger production run i imagine.
  • + 25
 Very beautiful. It's like a futuristic Sunn Radical.
  • + 3
 Exactly what I thought.
  • + 23
 Because Darkmatter matters.
  • - 6
flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 2, 2016 at 6:39) (Below Threshold)
 Effectively it's Anti-Matter
  • + 16
 @WAKIdesigns: anti-matter, dark matter, and exotic matter are all completely different things. Anti-matter is 'oppositely charged' normal, or baryonic matter. Dark matter is though to be WIMPs, or weakly interacting massive particles, non-baryonic matter that doesn't (or rarely) interacts via electromagnetic radiation. Exotic matter are theoretical, not observed, not proven, particles that show up when you do funny things with math in physics.
  • + 6
 @hamncheez: i don't believe you. You're lying.
  • + 8
 @hamncheez: well, shoot...I must have made a lot of exotic matter back in the day...all I ever did in physics was funny things with math.
  • + 5
 @hamncheez: Wow, actual elementary particle physicist on pinkbike :O
  • + 2
 There is no antidote for dark matter. I wish it looked like a Carbonjack/Propain Rage, due to the 'better stress distribution' and Teutonic squish factor. & check those sweet Zelvys!--will the whacky Pole get the other Poles straightened out on the carbon hoop score, with a little help from Down Under?
  • + 10
 Beautiful machine. I'd be concerned about having such a low carbon swig arm where it meets linkage though, looks exposed. But I appreacite they may not have had any issues with that. Other than that, love the attention to detail one of very few DH bikes I'd be willing to throw my redundancy money at!
  • + 13
 Its not a single pivot either, come on get things right..
  • + 4
 quick edit there..
  • + 20
 @bat-fastard: Good catch. Feeling the tradeshow crunch.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: you guys have been cranking stuff out...I can't get any work done just on account of trying to read it...good work!
  • + 13
 This has more room for a bottlecage than my trail bike does!
  • + 10
 This is a masterpiece of a bike.
  • + 9
 sharp, but who uses a minion ss as a front tyre!?
  • + 10
 front wheel skidz
  • + 1
 Where did you see Minions ss? The bike on the pictures has DHF/DHR II combination.
  • + 5
 @pooceq: the trail bike on the right
  • + 4
 Ok, I can see it now. Seems like the Darkmatter bike worked like a pair of boobs on any pictureand I've completely ignored the second plan. I guess it would work ok on an XC course with loads of berms, if such thing exists...
  • - 3
 Allegedly they followed my advice to do it, since it would draw attention to the magnificent Carbon Jack 160mm trail bike, in case Dark Matter stole the whole show. As their chief managing marketing advisor director of staff, I thought such detail would simply generate questions. I use such setup for KOMming in local woods since we have little need for braking while rolling speed is vital. I thought that the best way to help that company would be to shut the hell up, but I just can't help myself. Thank you Big Grin
  • + 6
 Made in Poland Smile
  • + 5
 Must see a vid of that linkage in motion
  • + 2
 My first thought too! Also, GT Pathlink anyone?
  • + 1
 @WasatchEnduro: if you want to see how linkge works you can search video on they r fb profile or ig Smile
cheers
  • + 3
 This is PB, please tell us some more about bb interface and rear hub spacing.
  • + 2
 It's not close to a Devinci. Devinci is low pivot + split pivot.

This one is an inverted fsr + high pivot + idler pulley.

It has nothing to do with devinci....
  • + 0
 Devinci is also high pivot, the only difference is the 'inverted Horst link' vs Split Pivot. Besides that the basic layout is the same.

www.sicklines.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2017-Devinci-wilson-Frame-Wilson-C2-1024x648.jpg
  • + 2
 @NickB01: It's seems to me that Antidote pivot is higher than the Devinci one. At least the distance from the high pivot from the BB is the double. Anyway neither of the two are as high as Commencal v4 or Zerode.

Antidote as a idler pulley and Devinci doesn't. So they aren't exactly the same.
  • + 4
 It's an: inverted FSR design + high pivot point + idler pulley
  • + 3
 No one noticed xt rotor and guide calipers?
  • + 2
 Feel like I'm pouncing on you but...

Probably this is about the frame and not the complete build, What's wrong with running Guide calipers on XT rotors anyways?

Wink
  • + 3
 as i said in the "sexy dh bike" ...it's very close to the wilson design
  • - 2
 Yeah it's the exact same linkage design. Maybe Devinci doesn't have a patent on it in Europe.
  • + 2
 @Powderface: not exact same. the Wilson has a concentric pivot at the rear axel a la patented DW Split pivot.
  • + 2
 The frame is sexy. No fany words describing marketing bs. Just exelent attention to detail. Euro bikes are the shit!
  • + 0
 Holy f*ckin' shiot, this bike is sexy as hell. I think I will get a roof rack for my Zonda now. Finally an accessory for it!

Seriously though, nice bike, this has replace the new Canyon DH bike as my favorite.
  • - 1
 "Differnt sized idler pulleys are used to alter how the drivetrain works with the Darkmatter's suspension."

Why not just have a knotched rail on which you can slide the pulley up and down?
  • + 2
 You would know if you actually read the write up: "The Darkmatter's relatively high main pivot makes running an idler pulley a necessity, and Antidote has also machined their own heavy duty pulley that looks like it'd be at home on some sort of tank engine. It isn't adjustable in height, though, as the company says that designing in a slotted, vertical adjustment would allow for too much flex in what is an extremely vital part of the drivetrain. "
  • + 2
 @the-mountainbart-experience: Damn you words on screens whose information i did not absorb with my eyes. Thanks for setting me straight.
  • + 1
 I want to see them do a limited run of whichever frame in the 12k pattern...total bike porn
  • + 1
 Gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous!!! That is what quality craftsmanship looks like!!! I'm gonna ask Santa Claus.
  • + 2
 Waki got his chainless bike come true
  • + 2
 probably the coolest looking bike to come out recently!!!
  • + 1
 so, people complain when bike designers are lazy and copy designs , make something fairly original, it gets trashed!
  • + 2
 Wonder why most of the OEM paint their CF Frames. Raw is so beautiful.
  • + 1
 "Don't you open up that window."
  • + 1
 looks like sexy monster I like a lot
  • + 1
 Exceptional piece of art!
  • + 1
 Similar to an old sunn radical, very nice
  • + 1
 Wow another great looking bike.
  • + 2
 Jiz jiz jiz
  • + 2
 So sexy... I love it
  • + 2
 seksowny
  • + 2
 WILSON!
  • + 1
 better made of SUNN RADICAL
  • - 1
 Why is it "Exotic"? Normal wheel size (not 29er) coil spring on a shock (not a dump air), what else do we normal "not exotic" riders need? It's just perfect but not exotic...
  • + 0
 Most beautiful bike in the venue? Musta been quite a shit show then.

The list of things wrong with this is too long.
  • + 2
 Good looking.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns. Insert your carbon jack super bike comments here so people will give me props in the process and I can compensate for my small penis.
  • + 1
 I link style remembers me my devinci Wilson...
  • + 1
 To me it looks more like a Supreme V4 The linkage works in the same way
  • + 1
 SMEXY!
  • + 1
 That downtube though...
  • + 0
 Now that's a carbon bike, looks as good as a piece of kielbasa to me.
  • + 1
 :)
  • - 2
 Looks fragile and overdone to me.
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