Ask Pinkbike - Dropped Chains, Fork Offset, and New Bike Questions

May 13, 2014
by Pinkbike Staff  
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Here at Pinkbike we get inundated with all kinds of questions, ranging from the basic "Can I have stickers" to more in-depth, soul searching types of queries like if you should pop the question or what to name your first child. Ask Pinkbike is an occasional column where we'll be hand picking and answering questions that have been keeping readers up at night, although we'll likely steer clear of those last two and keep it more tech oriented.



Dropped chain

Question: PB user scrotes asked this question in the Downhill forum: ''I keep dropping my chain. I need a chain guide that I never have to worry about, something that is bulletproof. Any recommendations? Also, is ISCG 03 the same as ISCG?''

bigquotesExcellent questions, scrotes, especially since there are so many chain guide options out there to suit different styles of riding and types of bikes. I see that you're looking to fit this guide to your 2013 Trek Slash 8, and that it's running a single chain ring and a ten-speed drivetrain that doesn't employ a clutch derailleur, meaning that you'll likely need to consider a full guide rather than a minimalist top-only unit. Your concerns about reliability have me thinking that the simplest full guide on the market could be best for you, which has to be Straitline's Silent Guide. Rather than a roller that spins on a sealed bearing, it uses polyurethane "sliders" at the top and bottom that provide both chain tension and security. Yes, the rollers will wear over time, but replacements are easy to install and relatively inexpensive. More importantly, there is basically nothing to go wrong, so long as you set it up correctly. The other reason that I'd suggest the Silent Guide is for its full-coverage aluminum bash guard that will keep your expensive narrow/wide chain ring from being damaged. As for your second questions, "ISCG 03" and ISCG are the same thing, but the correct name for it is the latter version. It's sometimes also referred to as "ISCG Old", which is odd because it is still used today on many bikes, and the layout's bolt circle diameter is smaller than what ISCG 05 utilizes. - Mike Levy

Straitline Silent Guide

Straitline's Silent Guide.



Fork Offset for My 29er

Question: lifeofcycle asks in a PM: "I just got my Dream bike. BMC Fourstroke FS01. The only problem is that it came with a 100mm fork and I want to use a 120mm fork. But, here is the question and dilemma: The bike came with a 51-millimeter offset fork and I wanted to try a Magura fork which uses a 48-millimeter offset. So the question is, will putting a different offset fork cause any riding or handling problems? My BMC Rep told me that I should be fine, but I just wanted to get another professional opinion."
bigquotesNo worries. Normally, a 51-millimeter offset would be optimum for a 140 to 150-millimeter-travel fork on a 29er with a 67-degree or slacker head angle. A 47 or 48mm offset fork will be perfect for a 120mm travel fork on your BMC 29er, especially because it has a steepish, 70-degree head angle. Larger wheel diameters require more for offset to produce the same measure of trail. Slacker head angles also require slightly more fork offset. Your bike, with its steeper head angle and minimal fork travel, probably should have come stock with the same 48-millimeter offset that your new Magura fork will have. - RC


BMC bike on display

Most fork makers offer 29er forks with offsets around 47 and 50 millimeters to keep the steering stable and feeling light at the bars. The XC-oriented BMC's Four Stroke should handle best with the shorter of the two offset options.





Moving From a DH Bike to an All-Mountain Rig

Question: somismtb asked this question in the downhill forum: "My Devinci Wilson is by far the best thing I have ever ridden... but I am so limited to DH trails where I live. I'm wondering what kind of abuse the 180mm Specialized Enduro Evo can handle in comparison to the Wilson. I still want to rip up the downhills, but to be honest there aren't many places to ride around here, and seeing chairlift access is once or twice a year. I've been riding the same 4 trails all year long and I'm starting to lose my interest. With the Enduro Evo, I'm thinking I can throw an air shock on the rear and open up my horizons to many more local Super D style trails while still being able to go and shred some freeride stuff. I love big drops and I don't want to lose my capability. Anyways just looking for some input, opinions, first hand experience."

bigquotesThe Enduro Evo should definitely be able to handle whatever you can dish out - Mike Montgomery chose to use one at last year's Red Bull Rampage, and the Specialized team has been using 27.5" versions at the first two stops of the World Cup. You won't be winning any hill climb competitions, since its burly build puts it close to the 35lb mark, but it'll definitely be more pedal friendly than your Wilson. I spent time on our test bike in the Whistler Bike Park as well as on some of the burlier trails here in the Pacific Northwest and was impressed with how it was able to make short work of the most technical trails. You might even want to consider the non-Evo Enduro, especially if you're only going to be riding the bike park twice a year. Modern all-mountain bikes are more versatile than ever, and you're not the only one wondering whether or not they really need a full-on DH sled anymore. In the end, I would recommend purchasing a bike that best fits the terrain you spend the majority of your time on. Just like it's silly to have a jacked up Hummer with mud tires on it as a daily driver in the city, it doesn't make sense to have a long travel DH rig when a lighter, shorter travel machine would be just as fun, and take much less effort to get to the top. - Mike Kazimer

Specialized Enduro Expert EVO

We liked Specialized 's Enduro Expert EVO when we reviewed it in 2013, and our opinion remains the same today.




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124 Comments

  • 129 0
 Very cool to see something new like this! Awesome work pinkbike
  • 27 0
 Cheers Eagleflyer1!
  • 2 17
flag lsmillie (May 12, 2014 at 22:39) (Below Threshold)
 #ridestraightline
  • 12 3
 #ridestraitline*
  • 17 0
 What happened to Zinkbike?
  • 9 0
 @karl-burkat

more of this kind of article on PB, please!
  • 2 9
flag pinkkrow (May 13, 2014 at 6:59) (Below Threshold)
 haha funny go from a Davinci wilson to a Fecalized enduro, that'll help.... @somismtb stick to the canadian brand, the Dixon is the better choice. With that said I'm gonna go ride my BigHit, or go race the Demo 8 @ Peelout 2014. See ya there!!
  • 11 0
 I love it. The first user question comes from a guy called SCROTES! That's the balls
  • 3 1
 Wait so if I buy a specialized evo I can ride rampage? Just kidding PB I joke!
  • 1 0
 I have my Enduro EVO under 30 lbs... it rips.
  • 32 1
 What's the meaning of life? ...and oh yeah, why Pinkbike? Why not Redbike or Greenbike?
  • 10 0
 I concur! Why Pinkbike?
  • 33 5
 There is no meaning to life. Meaning is not a property of someone or something. People add meaning to stuff it by doing stuff, thinking things. In general everything is meaningless, it all depends from point of reference. Winning a Downhill World Cup means much to Aaron Gwin while his neighbour could not give a damn as he is into Game of Thrones. Fantasy means a lot to him, his life is meaningless to majority of people. Do not watch the Game of Thrones. Kill Miley Cyrus, kill her!
  • 33 1
 The meaning of life is 42, don't ask, it just is.
  • 4 0
 duh have u not seen hitchhikers guide to th galaxy?
  • 10 1
 No, that's just the answer to the ultimate question.
  • 7 1
 What if your wife makes you watch 'Game of Thrones'? Is watching Game of Thrones to keep the peace in my marriage meaningless? Just checking...
  • 8 1
 You mean 27.5, right?
  • 4 0
 @CaptainVonAwesome, "Makes you watch Game of Thrones"!!! WTF Dude, Game of Thrones is awesome ... not Breaking Bad awesome, but still up there.
  • 6 0
 Correct, 42 is the answer, but what is the question?

How many inches of wheel diameter are on the perfect bike? (thanks flofloo for the inspiration).
  • 9 1
 CaptainVonAwesome - Game of Thrones... - you are a lucky man, my wife forces me to watch Sex in the City...
  • 4 1
 Hitch Hikers Spoiler: In the Fourth book of the trilogy you find out that the ultimate question is "what is six times seven?". There ya go.
  • 4 0
 Love game of thrones.
Incredible tit to episode ratio Smile
  • 5 1
 The book is quoted as "what do you get if you multiply six by nine?" rather than six by seven.
  • 4 0
 And before anyone says the obvious, it's 9x6 in base 13
  • 1 0
 Waki that was awesome, lol
  • 3 0
 Surely the meaning to life is to have a meaning in life?
  • 19 1
 How can I be less enduro so I dont anger my Euro counterparts?
  • 9 0
 Just keep your money secured in your fanny pack and don't buy into the hype.
  • 3 0
 Only enter races that make you look at the course and think "Maybe I'd ride down that... on my dh bike... if it wasn't raining..."
  • 4 0
 I think you should just start refering to the sport Matt Wragg is doing as E(pause)uro. You just pause in place where you'd say "nd" and you get a Euro version of Enduro. Or just moderate his writings telling him that what he does is not a real enduro "you obviously don't know what Enduro is about". This just gets fantastic. I am waiting for someone to capitalize on the word "Trail"
  • 5 0
 I'm waiting for someone to capitalize on the idea for an 'Endurovision Song Contest'!!!
  • 4 0
 Endurovision buahahaha
  • 11 0
 I love pinkbike but why is it so impossible to find what I am looking for when I search for it in the search bar? When will we have search options such as relevance and newest to oldest?
  • 1 0
 There is a search option such like relevance/newest/oldest if you want to search photos and videos!
  • 2 0
 Yeah, but try to find some specific news article like a review from let's say a year back. I dare you.
  • 8 0
 Reminds me of the old school ask RC from mountain bike action. Used to always be my favorite reads.
  • 1 0
 Yes! That was great one. Other really good was mithbusters or used to be called like that
  • 8 0
 Wait, we can ask for stickers???
  • 5 0
 this this this .... please make bigger "pin it ya fairy " stickers like tailgate size pls
  • 6 0
 That was pretty awesome I just have one thing to add. I totally have a clutch derailure.
  • 2 0
 Straitline SG on my V10c Stumpy Evo no probs, never dropped a chain silent too better than anything else in mud, every part is easily replaceable, I like others 2, e13, Mrp, Gamut, but have damaged all of them in some way, SG x 2 no probs.
  • 6 5
 I have to admit, it really bugs me when the ole "insert xx pro's name here" used x bike at z location and had no dramas"

These are pro athletes who have spares, a pro mechanic and factory backing 24/7, I'd love to think that the industry is 100% transparent about the longevity of their products but I know better than that. I'd prefer to base my justification for purchases on real world reviews from real world riders.

Montgomery's bike was likely thrashed to shit after rampage to the point where it was cheaper to replace than repair it I'm guessing.
  • 6 0
 @robaussie99 - Fair points, but it's more of a reference that he felt comfortable on the EVO model sending it, just as comfy as on the Demo. The Enduro EVO is a capable machine, and we're confident that it will hold up well under the average rider. You are correct that a bike being used at the Rampage under a pro rider doesn't have much to do with you or I using it in the WBP, though.
  • 3 2
 Very true. I'd be much more comfortable sending a bike I didn't pay for as well Wink
  • 4 0
 If you're talking about montgomery's enduro evo, some guy on /r/mtb on reddit bought it off of him and it's in great shape. Many pro bikes are actually in mint condition because pros ride their bikes hard, but with good form while also having factory mechanics work on them.
  • 2 2
 Refer to my comment about transparency in the industry, of course it's going to be in great shape, how much of it was replaced before being sold? You'll never possibly know, but I do know that the big "S" would NEVER sell a bike like that in anything less than perfect condition. Imagine the fiasco on here if it broke?!?! It'd be world war 3 for the trolls!
  • 3 1
 Well dude, he owned the bike, Specialized isn't some all-knowing entity who would murder montgomery for selling a beaten bike.


Montgomery's old enduro's new owner : www.pinkbike.com/u/rewob/album/Hashtag-Enduro
  • 3 1
 Also if this helps, my friend warren bought mike's rampage bike, it's still very well alive and sending! Smile
  • 1 0
 Boys, you're completely missing the point. It's not like he finished the run and simply handed the bike over. It was gone over with a fine tooth comb before it was sold. Specialized is the biggest company in the MTB world. They would never give out a bike of such high profile in anything less than perfect condition. I'm not denying that it's running perfectly right now. I'd fully expect it to. All I'm saying is that if you think the majority of those parts were actually on the bike during competition you've probably had a little too much of the kool-aid.

I'd wager a bet that if Montgomery simply finished his run and sold that bike to a member of the public he'd be getting a pretty serious phone call come Monday morning, imagine if it snapped and killed it's new owner a week later. It'd be (yet another) marketing disaster for specialized!
  • 1 0
 I get your point and agree 100%. The pros are only using these products for at most a season before their sponsors have them riding the latest and greatest the next season. Although I like to read and see what they are riding, that's no way for a consumer to objectively determine the longevity/durability of a product.
  • 3 2
 Answer this, how can a poor college student who works two jobs just to survive afford a new trail bike? I'm not about to sell my DH bike because that is my passion, but I need an xc bike so I can go for a quick ride after work(s). How do I do this? Please, this is a serious problem...
  • 27 0
 sell your body
  • 1 3
 If you cant figure out how to get an other bike, your college education is going to be no good to your unless you just want to be a work drone?
  • 7 0
 Buy bike tubes in bulk (I get them for 5-10 cents each) then sell them at the local skate park bike park were ever for like 5-10 buck... The hustle is real!
  • 3 0
 Most bike brands have demo fleets and they sell them off at year's end. Because the bikes have to impress potential buyers, the wrenches keep them in top shape, so they are a good deal. Also, if you are a well respected local hero and can make that pitch, you might get a free demo bike so you will be rocking the brand in front of the home crowd. Excuse the double negative, but... You don't get 100-percent of what you don't ask for.
  • 1 0
 Craig's list or ebay or even Pinkbike are places to get cheap bikes as you really do not need a good bike to get to college
  • 4 0
 I like my Enduro. Specifically, the exact one mentioned in this article. : D
  • 1 0
 If you guys were going on a trip around the world, be it bikeparks, enduro races, single track xc DH and dirtjumps/street What would your go to 3 bikes or less be STOCK! I am finding that picking a bike for around where I live is harder than imagined as I ride DJs, some fr/dh stuff that is really gnarly technical, and xc trails....and I'm curious what your choices would be after the HUNDREDS of bikes reviewed
  • 1 0
 I would take my bmx, my banshee rune, and a tr450. although to be honest I'd be fine without the 450, the rune with two wheelsets could take on anything from xc to dh
  • 2 0
 Hard Tail Dirt Jumper/4X DS racer (Santa Cruz Jakel), 100mm full sus 29er (Giant Anthem) and 160mm agressive all mountain (Orange Alpine possibly with a 180mm fork)
  • 1 0
 Yeah I'm with you on the Santa Cruz jackal for dirt jumping. All mountain you can't beat the giant trance. Dh/fr I'd for sure go with the enduro evo, you just can't beat it unless you go with a big bike.
  • 2 1
 the biggest thing driving the 1 bike only question is price yes might be trails that are ridden too. these days buying a bike is crazy expensive for a good one. i remember when i had a slew of bikes to choose from and could bring 2 bikes for the day. i use to own a redline bmx bought new an addict dj bought new with mostly new parts a specialized big hit new and upgraded parts and finally a cannondale chase bought used for trail rides. thinking about all the bikes i had at one time and even the road bike for a short time dosnt even get me into a santa cruz nomad pricing, i fall way short of that and i may have still fell slightly short on the new bikes i am looking at getting next. it seems like bike prices have jumped quite a bit since my last brand new purchase
  • 2 0
 I'm with you on that one, I spent less than $3600 building an Intense 6.6 four years ago with top kit, now the same level as back then would fetch double that, crazy
  • 1 1
 how about this one. i am in a big debate with a nomad supporter on the post Sexiest AM/enduro bike thread saying the 3000 frame price point is right in line with all the other top offerings out now. i sure dont think santa cruz has budget buyers in mind when their starting price point for complete build is at 6500. they dont understand that you can get on other carbon frames with complete builds for much less. i really dont see all the hype around the nomad its a true snooze fest watching their promo video. go watch an evil promo video they rail their bikes.
3000 for frame only do you think for for any reasonable amount of money you could have a build kit for a nomad 1500 maybe 2k, i sure dont think so. i think the used bike market prices are going to hold their value quite nicely when you have to drop 4k or more for a decent bike its going to kill the used bike deals of the past. its going to be like the used car market high prices low quality. it might be a reason as to why its hard to find some of the newer bikes for sale used no one can afford them.
  • 1 0
 Ive got a question Pinkbike that has been keeping me up at night for many years, since 1985 in fact. In The Breakfast Club, John Bender asks the head teacher Vern if Barry Manilow Knows that he (meaning Vern) raids his wardrobe. Now, was that a serious question, does John Bender know something we (the audience) dont and maybe has proof that Vern was indeed raiding Barry Manilows wardrobe, or was he just be sarcastic? Ive asked this a lot and have drawn a blank, im hoping you guys can shed some light on it. Fingers crossed.
  • 1 0
 Why can you not get frames that different wheel sizes?
It would need to have adjustable bb height to get perfect geometry but could be done, then your could try what wheel sizes with out having to buy new frames every time?
  • 1 0
 Banshee (mythic) make a bike that can be switched between 650b and 26". I think a few manufacturers do now, mostly using interchangeable dropouts or adjustable dropouts.
  • 1 0
 Yes, but that is a bit of a compromise regarding bb height and head angle, but is along the lines of what could be done.
  • 1 0
 The transition 550 is switchable. Also if you have the clearance for it you can change it anyway. I did on my old fury as an experiment because I kinda outgrew it. If you make enough changes with it like Angleset and extending the reach it can wrk really well
  • 3 0
 I just want to know where the hell my faves went? That's 6 years of hard work down the drain!! NNOOOO!!!!!
  • 1 0
 There should be a weekly 'Ask a question' where people do just that, and let the masses descend on them. Hopefully in all the scrapping we could get some useful answers out of some people about stuff/.
  • 1 0
 That is what the forum is for
  • 1 0
 Not nearly as exciting hidden in there tho.
  • 1 0
 How much of your content (ie: tech and bike reviews or athlete coverage) is brought about by the companies themselves. Do these companies give you the product then ask for a review of do you take it upon yourself?
  • 2 2
 my burning question: I have a 2009 Transition Bottle rocket, with a 30.0mm seatpost tube. Am I able to ream the tube to allow for a 30.9 dropper post to fit? this is the difference between selling or keeping it. Cheers!
  • 5 0
 no.
  • 2 0
 Have you looked into gravity dropper posts? They should have one with a shim combo that would work for you.

gravitydropper.com
  • 2 1
 Only one way to find out...
  • 1 9
flag Jimmy0 (May 12, 2014 at 22:32) (Below Threshold)
 dropper posts are overrated
  • 1 0
 27.2 dropper posts exist. Get one and a shim.
  • 2 8
flag enorbz (May 12, 2014 at 22:35) (Below Threshold)
 Thomson posts are where its at u dont need a dropper post
  • 1 0
 X-Fusion sells the HiLo in 27.2 as well.
  • 2 1
 i heard to go pro i have to barspin with a barspin knob like fogel ? is this true and where can i buy one because i want to be just like the pros?
  • 2 0
 Narrow wide chainring on a downhill bike without running a chain guide... Will it fall off?Thoughts?
  • 1 0
 as seen in above comments....i did two days of shuttling with zed clutch and NW ring and no dropped chains
  • 1 0
 The chain will not come off unless something like a stick or other contaminant's get caught on the chain, I have been riding a sealed drive low profile mech with no maintenance for 6 months with no problems
  • 1 0
 I constantly lost mine before getting a E13, That's on the #Enduro ( lol ) bike

My local stuff is stupidly rocky though.
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the info guys. I ran a narrow wide on a trail bike I borrowed for about a week and I was very pleasantly surprised about how it performed. I wasn't sure about a downhill bike though. I think I'll give it a go now. Thanks!
  • 2 0
 Haha, jacked up Hummer with mud tires. That is an incapable/inappropriate vehicle anywhere. Get a Jeep (NO 4 doors thou)!
  • 2 0
 Wait I thought true jeeps were only 2 doors
  • 1 0
 Yes, you are correct. 4 doors are for soccer moms and getting groceries, unless its an XJ which are still cool.
  • 1 0
 Sooooo, how come the 650b pike has a 42mm offset but the 26 fox 36 and metric have the same offset while the 650b metric has a 46mm offset and the Fox I think 44?
  • 5 5
 Answer 1: raceface NW ring. Answer 2: It will be a qwerpy 29er no matter what. Answer 3: The enduro evo seems more capable than the demo at the moment
  • 2 0
 @tmanb3 - It looks like scrotes already has a narrow-wide 'ring, but he doesn't have a clutch derailleur and is looking for absolute security. That equals a full chain guide in my books.
  • 5 2
 I run a mid cage Sram x9 9 speed rear with no clutch and a 32 tooth Race face NW up front with no chainguide and havent dropped a chain yet
  • 2 0
 Yup, some people have no problems using only some parts of the complete system, but others seem to require more. We actually had very good luck using a Race Face NW ring on a hardtail without a clutch derailleur, but we still wouldn't recommend that setup for most riders.
  • 3 0
 @enorbz - ...yet
  • 2 0
 Already done about 500 miles but ya still have to put (yet), will be purchasing at least a top chain guide mount for confidence purposes
  • 2 0
 For what it's worth i just did my first two days of shuttling on my dh bike with no guide but a RF ring and zee clutch and no dropped chains.
  • 1 0
 I had RaceFace NW ring with SLX clutch and it dropped a handful of times but not with zee... yet.
  • 2 0
 @dglass, if it's dropping you might want to check the clutch cam isn't broken, mine did and I've read about a few SLX|XT cams breaking (look on mtbr). At least it's a cheap and easy fix! Smile
  • 1 0
 I'd say that the enduro is a pretty capable bike m.pinkbike.com/photo/10201876
  • 1 0
 Ok gents dropped chain off the NW and Zee combo today... fuk...
  • 2 0
 Nooooooo
  • 1 0
 It might be your chain line, make sure your running the correct bottom bracket spacers as well as making sure the nw chainring is mounted properly
  • 1 0
 Thanks enorbz. I am familiar with how to set up a drivetrain. I think it is just the clutch starting to wear out. Happened with my SLX too. Going to crack er open and put more tension on it today.
  • 1 0
 sounds good man good luck, I am running a non clutch sram x9 rear derailleur and like I said above it works really really well.
  • 4 3
 I have a question: why are bikes so daemm expensive these days? 10 000$ for few pipes, teo wheels and a saddle on a stick.
  • 4 0
 effective brand management and careful monitoring of hypez
  • 3 2
 Bikes are cheap these days. The base model Giant Glory is far better than anything I rode back in the day and a third the price without even adjusting for inflation.
  • 3 4
 I was rather trolling Smile I have nothing against expensive bikes
  • 2 1
 They are way to overpriced to begin with. They depreciate faster than cars, and there is not even half as many things that can go wrong with them. That's just messed up. All company msrp's should be dropped to half because we are talking push bikes here. The big manufacturing three clearly have a monopoly. WakiTroll is smarter than Wakidesigns.
  • 1 2
 I disagree with the recommendation of the Straitline chain-guide. When the guard plate is damaged, chain comes off or is engaged with the cover plate. Much better e13, or MRP.
  • 1 0
 Dear somismtb nothing is silly. Please use any bike for anything to have fun.
  • 1 0
 Blah blahblablabla youdontneedadownhillbike blah blah blah
  • 1 0
 Great
  • 5 7
 A lot more use than that bleeping bleep Wragg put up yesterday fo sho.
  • 7 0
 Oh, it feels like you ride "enduro" on flat smooth tracks with an open face and no knee pads... Am I correct? Wink
  • 7 1
 Eat that americans! We gunn shew ya hew's Endooro dun roun'd hyar! We got mugger accents as well as stiff upper lip! The matter of a fact is that Enduro is originated from Europe. We are better. Acknowledge it! We are just better, le grand scheme is for the Euhopans to be betteh than Amehicans! Fok you and yo oil! If we want to atom-bom on Bikin we will doo it! We will go to New Yohk and poke you with le baguette! Allons enfants de la Patrie, Le jour de gloire est arrivé ! And we have Swiss who don't give a sht! The only army in the world with corkscrew in the army knife! Men are not men if they haven't open a bottle of Cabernet under fire! March march eat cheese March! You obese Americans! We have trains, hybrids and wind power while you have nosing! We are all bisexual and atheists, eat kilo of lettuce a day and we like immigration! Dig that hah?! Europe Europe Uuuuber Ales, kleine bratwurst grosse ausfart, dolce dolmio ciao!
  • 2 0
 "...Men are not men if they haven't open a bottle of Cabernet under fire!"

That line made me laugh out loud at my desk. People must think I really enjoy my office job.
  • 2 0
 @Duc1098 or they may think your about to snap! aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh Freeeeeeak Out!

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