Ask Pinkbike: Full Suspension or Hardtail, Super Short Stems, and Flat Pedal Picks

Dec 15, 2015
by Pinkbike Staff  
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Here at Pinkbike we get inundated with all kinds of questions, ranging from the basic "Can I have stickers" to more in-depth, soul searching types of queries like if you should pop the question or what to name your first child. Ask Pinkbike is an occasional column where we'll be hand picking and answering questions that have been keeping readers up at night, although we'll likely steer clear of those last two and keep it more tech oriented.





Cheap Hardtail vs Cheap Full-Suspension

Question: Pinkbike user brokenhipster asked this question in the Beginners Forum: This will be my son's first full-size bike (he's currently on Specialized Hot Rock 24). I have a choice between a lightly used 2015 Trek Marlin hardtail or an REI full-suspension Novara System 1.0 from 2008. He mostly rides to school and back, and then we go out to ride trails maybe once every month at this point. He loves trail riding, and I'm hoping to do more with him. Thoughts?

bigquotesYou should definitely not buy that Novara for him, and not only because it's from 2008 and has likely seen better days. The real issue is that it's a relatively inexpensive full-suspension bike that likely weighs more than a duffel bag full of cinder blocks. Not only does he not need a full-suspension bike at this point in time, the extra heft from everything associated with it is going to cause him more difficulty than any added performance from bike's rear shock might be worth. And on that note, it's highly unlikely that the Novara's shock will help at all, let alone prove to be reliable - good luck getting parts. I can see him wanting the full-suspension bike, but pick up that Marlin hardtail and pretend you never saw the Novara. - Mike Levy

REI Novara
You're much better off on an inexpensive hardtail than a cheap full-suspension bike.





Zero-Extension Stem?

Question: Dirtrooster asks in the All Mountain, Enduro & Cross-Country forum: I'm currently riding a Specialized Enduro Pro. I'd really love my bars a couple centimeters back from where they currently are, and I'd like to know, is it possible / feasible to have your bars directly over your front forks (RockShox Lyrik)? And, if so, are there any reasonably affordable ones around?


bigquotesMondraker made a "zero" stem that you should be able to source in the UK by contacting shops that handle the range. I would not suggest using it though. After speaking at length on the subject with Mondraker's Forward Geometry designer Fabien Barel, he said that after testing stems from zero to 30-millimeter extensions, anything shorter than 10mm would cause the bike's steering to feel unstable. Mondraker's 10mm Forward Geometry stems run about 89.00GBP in the UK, which is not hugely affordable, but the price is in line with any good stem. - RC


Mondraker aluminum FG 10mm stem
Mondraker's Forward Geometry stem has only a ten millimeter extension.




Flat Pedal Preference

Question: Pinkbike user ttlc007 asked this question in the Downhill Forum: I'm looking for new pedals for my DH rig. I don't race and I'm looking for a flat pedal that's great for free riding with lots of control to huck the bike around. I'm stuck between a few pedals right now (the DMR Vault, Deity Bladerunner, and Spank Spike pedals). Do you have any suggestions?


bigquotesI spent a lot of time on the Spank Spike pedals this year and PB's Mike Kazimer reviewed a set of the very similar Oozy pedal last October - they have a very low profile and deflect well off objects, which is good thing on rutted-out downhill tracks. They are wide, at 110mm, but the angled outside edge of the platform make them feel narrower than the number suggests, and I found my foot would roll outwards if not placed well on the platform. At 420g, the $119 pedals are the heaviest of your options.

I have used the DMR Vault pedal's in the past with some success. For downhill, they have a good width and concave to the platform, and long, replaceable pins which can be removed with an Allen key. I had trouble, however, with the bushing and seal closest to the crank arm working out of the pedal. That, and the fact that they are the most expensive choice ($155.99) is a fail.

Personally, I have never tried the Deity Bladerunner, but Mike Kazimer has and he gave them an average review marking them down on grip levels.

Another option that you may consider is the new Nukeproof Horizon Pro pedal which I have been using recently. It has a similar size and shape to the Vault, with a large platform and adjustable pins. The Sam Hill Signature Ti version might cost a month's rent, but consider moving down the range to the nylon-composite 'Comp' version for half the price of any other pedals discussed here. - Paul Aston

DMR Vaults.
DMR Vault.
Nukeproof Horizon pedals
Nukeproof Horizon.
Deity Bladerunner pedal review
Deity Bladerunner.
Spank Oozy Trail pedal review
Spank Oozy.




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153 Comments

  • 77 0
 put a zero stem on that Novara ,then take it to the local tip !
  • 76 0
 Soooooo I've been doing it wrong this whole time?

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  • 3 6
 Zero stem would work the same either way.
  • 6 0
 has your local tip got some trails then ,
  • 6 0
 Don't forget a pair of Spank Spike pedals and you are ready to huck. Freeride not dead.
  • 5 0
 nope. you're fine, @aoneal
  • 3 0
 @pancakeflatted Tell that to my nuts!
  • 34 1
 Hey PB staff, Forward Geometry wasn't designed by Fabiel Barel. He surely contributed as a tester, but the credit should be given to the right person. And that should be Cesar Rojo.
  • 23 3
 personally I love the DMR vaults. opinionated of course, but from trying DMR vaults to electrons (not exactly the same) I wouldn't use electrons for fear of safety after using vaults. In my opnion, if you have a half decent price you should be thinking about buying a good pair of pedals as well, not leaving it until the last decision and going budget. That said, the electrons aren't atrocious, just nothing compared to DMR vaults. I want to try the bladerunners, who knows.
my 2 cents
  • 4 0
 edit meant half decent bike, damn I'm tired
  • 14 1
 Ditto on Vaults. They grip like mad, plenty of pins, humongous platform, choice of sweet colours... Price vs. reliability proves the pricetag to be not that bad in the long run.
  • 2 1
 The vp harriers are incredible. Not super pretty, but they get the job done.
  • 7 1
 no problems so far with my ~1 year old Vaults. I've been riding them a lot - in snow, mud, rain and dust.
  • 10 1
 Same here. Been thrashing a pair of Vaults for about 2 years DH riding and no issues at all. Best pedals I've ever ridden.
  • 3 3
 the vaults are okay, but the new V12 mag is where its at
  • 3 5
 Noob here, what's the difference between the electrons and vaults?
  • 2 3
 See, I had vaults when they first came out - bent them completely from some harsh landings on the DH bike, then got some point ones - these are the best for sure. I've ruined Easton Cullys, Profile gas pedals etc over the years (early profile gas pedals lasted 4 years, newer ones about a month). But the point ones are for my dollar the very best flat you can possibly get hold of.
  • 2 1
 gotta rep for deity here, the bladerunners are okay but if you can find the older skyskrapers id go for em.
  • 17 1
 I'm always surprised by the price of flat pedal. Don't get me wrong i understand that mountain bike products can be expensive and I'm not complaining in general. However I look at clip-less pedals (xt trail pd-m8020) and it is cheaper than many quality flats while seemingly much more complex. I just don't get it
  • 5 1
 canfield brothers crampon ultimate, been running them couple of years and cant fault them. bit more expensive just..
  • 4 1
 E Thirteen LG1 Race Ti all the way!
  • 10 1
 Burgtec penthouse Mk4. That is all.
  • 5 0
 CRAMPON MAGS !!!!
  • 5 1
 I have landed hard flat, smashed off rocks and overall being a real dick to my Vaults. and they just keep on ticking. I even pulled them apart at the end of season and they still look fantastic lots of lube still making things smooth. I have tried chromag and while I didn't mind them the platform of the vaults suits my foot size better.
  • 3 0
 Nrg tasters choice. 69 bucks or mg1 for 40
  • 7 3
 Shimano saints are awesome. I smash thrash and crash my pedals all the time and the keep on killing it. Cheap too.
  • 3 0
 Xpedo Spry - some of the lightest, widest, thinnest, serviceable, and affordable; 260g 11mm thin $60

2 seasons on mine, no problems. Not sure how they'd hold up to downhill but for $60 worth a try.

Wellgo recently stepped up their game too. they have 2 that come close to the specs of the Spry.
  • 3 1
 Never used the vaults but I have a set of DMR v12 that are over 10 years old. Heavy hard use and still going strong. Can't say what DMR is like now but if they are anything like they used to be you can't break them (except the test pair might have been the only ones, maybe they were put on upside down).
  • 3 0
 I've got a set of V8 that are 8 years old. Still running sweet.
  • 4 0
 Nukeproof all the way for me. I've got both electrons and the Mag-ti versions and they've always been bulletproof. The composite on the electrons has you thinking they are weaker but mine have taken some beating and come away with only light scratches
  • 2 0
 They get my vote.
  • 3 0
 @ziph that was.
  • 3 0
 Tried many different pedels on mine and mates bikes, vaults win it for me for grip, serviceable, weight and price, new v12 would be if i what i would buy if on a budget The only pedals that grip more were bergtec but they will eat shoes up easily. Tried hope pedal, rubbish with the standard pins but great with the longer pins. Saints, nukeproof or superstar just don't offer anywhere near enough grip
  • 2 0
 I used to really love the vaults but they just aren't robust enough, ive been through 3 sets in total and ive had failures ranging from cracked body, massively bent axles to the bearings just completely collapsing and the body sliding off the axle (that was a weird one), not to mention the body bends and dents really easily.
I use Burgtec now and they are legit. they are built like tanks and i personally feel more grip from them than the vaults.
But the winner would be shimano saint, you just cant beat how good they are for the price, and if you remove the pins and buy some M2x6(i think) cap heads and replace the pins they are the gnarliest pedals around, at half the price of burgtec or dmr.
  • 1 1
 Saint with m4*8mm instead of that original crap pins:-) superbgrip thanks to the middlepins.
  • 1 1
 3 sets of vaults here, never had any issues - one of them (one pedal, not one pair) needed a re grease after sabot three years, that's it.
  • 4 0
 One choice. Burgtec MK4.
  • 1 2
 I know this is completely unrelated, but @RichardCunningham could we get a feature on this?

www.gofundme.com/helpjerbike
  • 1 0
 just did this as well, use a tap as suggested for larger bushing and its cake. I then used a bolt with slightly smaller outside diameter than the inside diameter of the pedal. The bolt threaded into the smaller bushing, then just tap the bolt until the bushing is out.
  • 2 0
 Jep penthouse is the way to go! Totally indestructible!
  • 1 1
 I have tested several pairs of flatpedals in all categories of prices and in my opinion the best one is the fire eye hot candy in the nylon version. It is absolutly cheap (30 euros), super light (345 g) and has a lot of grip. Compared to the nukeproof elctron the fire eyes are ten times better. Thanks to the concave form they have better grip with shorter pins.
  • 18 1
 Canfield Bros Crampon Ultimates are my current favorite flat pedal. Thin (6-10mm), light (342g), and not crazy expensive ($150).
  • 3 1
 yip second them, 2 years on mine trouble free... going to buy another set soon for second bike as have been swapping canfields between them...
  • 2 1
 Truth
  • 1 0
 Have you had to service the bushings yet? I just did mine and they were a pain to get out. Maybe I was doing it wrong, and they feel new again, but damn...annoying.
  • 2 0
 Just replaced the bushings in my Ultimates after 2 years. The larger inboard bushings were easy to get out using a 1/2" Tap as they suggest in their service video. The small outboard bushings were a but of a pain since thee isn't clearance to get at them. Tapped them put from the inside with a punch, but they were stubborn.
  • 1 0
 I had a bike stolen earlier this year and the thing I was most pissed about was losing a pair of Canfield Crampons. Love those pedals! I hope Santa has a spare $150 set aside for me this year.
  • 15 1
 I'd add Chromag Scarabs to the pedal list. Huge platform, great feel, and mine have held up really well. At least for my feet, these are the best flats I've ever used, having been on DMRs, VPs, Straitline, Raceface, and Konas.
  • 2 0
 I just ordered a pair of Scarabs. I'm actually just switching from the DMR Vaults that a rode last year. I'm anxious to see how they compare.
  • 2 0
 I have beat the crap outta mine. Going for pedal strike champ of the world ova heah! Love emSmile
  • 2 0
 I have one full season on DH abuse on mine, with countless rock strikes. They look a little worse for wear, however spin as smooth as day one and no play. The grip is phenomenal. Highly recommended. Do remove all the pins and lock-tite those babies though, they like to back out.
  • 1 0
 or the Chromag Contacts, similar just a bit smaller and a few mm inboard.
  • 15 1
 I wonder if I can setup a promotion at shop in which we will give anyone who decides to buy one of our hard tails instead of a Canadian tire special made of spaghetti Steel a 15% discount... hmmm
  • 34 1
 I have no idea what you just said
  • 5 1
 his shop wants to setup a deal where you buy one of their hardtails, which now will come with pedals probs one of these choices. his comparison to spaghetti steel is weak steel you would get at canadian tire. that took me about 10 min and i dont think that was eveything
  • 4 1
 He just wants to give people a deal on a hardtail if they go to his shop instead of Canadian Tire
  • 1 0
 Haha, oh - I get it now. Thanks folks!
  • 2 3
 why do you all try to explain brockfisher05 words instead of asking him?
  • 1 0
 found a super bargain Full Susp 26 inch !!!
www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/supercycle-ascent-26-in-full-suspension-mountain-bike-0711038p.html#.VnFoddKFPmI

My handle bar costs the same....
  • 5 0
 Don't laugh, that's what our Olympic team rides. The bottle cage is modified to hold 4 donuts.
  • 10 0
 I really enjoy my Spike pedals - none of the bent axle issues that some people have mentioned, and I've had some very solid rock hits without any sort of bending of the cage. Bearings have been great for a year now in some very sloppy northwest conditions, and I haven't lost any pins. The width feels great for my 10.5 feet. If you do some digging, you can find them for cheap too - I got mine for $75 from Jenson last year.

Another pedal I really, really liked were my Acros A-Flat pedals. Outstanding bearings and feel, and no durability issues either. They aren't too heavy either.
  • 7 0
 agree on the spike pedals... I have had mine 3 years and no issues.. very grippy pedal and don't think I have slipped a pedal using them.
  • 5 0
 One more on the Spikes. I'm picky about wanting wide pedals and disagree with Paul. To me they ride wider than the numbers.
  • 2 0
 I love my Spank Spikes too. But they don't really love the back of my calves. If anyone does decide to get them, you'll learn real quick how to walk beside your bike and not tear up your legs.
  • 1 0
 I've had 3 pair of Spikes. Good pedals, last reasonably long before needing bushings replaced. I did bend an axle on a set after about a year, but replacement parts weren't too expensive. A little heavier than I'd like is the main downside. Next time around I'll go for some cheaper OEM or Wellgo pedals. Expensive pedals just feel like a ripoff.
  • 14 1
 chromag scarabs.
  • 11 1
 Hardtail with Flat Pedal FTW!
  • 8 14
flag RedBurn (Dec 15, 2015 at 13:24) (Below Threshold)
 DS with clicks FTW, sorry
  • 4 5
 I love flats, but come ride in rocky ass Arizona & you might change your tune. hardtail is the first bike I've gone click over flat in the last decade.
  • 4 0
 really? In my experience rocky terrain is where flats shine at least for my riding style.
  • 5 1
 with no suspension, those rocks kick your feet off the pedals, at least the kind of rocks we have here. big solid bumps, not loose rocks that you plow through, to clarify. hadn't ridden clips for more than a decade, & still had fun even with flats, but for a hardtail out here, clips are the way to go.

Most people out here, even XC guys, ride FS though, which isn't as true most places, so that might give you an impression of what the terrain is like.

Edit: I see you're from Reno, you probably have a pretty good idea.
  • 11 2
 No Race Face Atlas pedal??
  • 3 0
 Wellgo magnesium pedals I've been running for a year are still going strong and has some nice rock strike markings, great grip, cromo axle and sealed bearings putting up with my 110kilos all for $35 bucks off eBay... Awesome..
Not saying the more expensive ones aren't and I used to run certain brands for years and they do look pretty and shiny, pity I can't see all that once my foots on them.. Ha..
  • 1 0
 well... at least they spark if you drag a pedal on asphault or concrete. My last and only pair of Wellgo magnesium pedals were total garbage. Looked awful within a week of riding..and the right platform basically exploded after a relatively small jump. Anecdotal I know...but never again.
  • 1 0
 Haha, I've had the same experience with crankbros...
  • 3 0
 Definitely buy your kid a hardtail.
He will learn to absorb the rough trails with his body, rather than with the rear suspension. Kid's bodies can take the abuse from a hardtail. Plus, they will learn line choices better. Put some good flat pedals on, some wire bead dh tires, and maybe a decent fork, if you can afford it. Plan on replacing the wheels, at least the rims. Make sure the bars and stem put him/her in a comfortable riding position, and make sure the seat is somewhat comfy. Make sure they are with you when you repair/swap parts, teach them to work on it themselves.
Try to take them to every possible place to ride, in other words, don't just take them on the bike path, or just the xc loop, try different terrain, from dh trails to the skatepark.
See what type of riding they like best, and you can adjust parts as needed. A decent hardtail will provide a better platform to start with. Something that can work in all disciplines.
  • 8 5
 Shimano Saint pedals - easily replaceable pins, you can service the bearngs, reasonable price (constantly on sale somewhere), stout. Oh, and great grip (plus you can put in longer pins if needed).
  • 2 2
 Second. Can't say they're the best, and they probably aren't anyway, but they are among the cheapest and VERY good.
  • 1 0
 true, but some of the cost savings is because you have to buy a fairly expensive tool to service the bearings.
  • 2 1
 What's the tool? I've serviced mine several times without one. Granted, I could have been doing it wrong.
  • 1 1
 I'm with @Rucker10 on that - mine have needed a bit of greasing and adjustment once, in well over a year with lots of riding in mud (Bellingham), and that took all of ten minutes. I may have missed something r done something wrong - but they spin smoothly, so it can't be that bad.

Frankly, they cost the same as a lot of the disposable pedals that can't be serviced, and they appear to resist grit, grime, and water just as well. There's so much disposable crap on our bikes - these seem like a nice throwback.
  • 2 0
 Bad experience with Saints here- I've destroyed 3 sets in under 6months- all replaced under the warranty but the last pair given away to a local kid to make room for Vaults. They are amazing when new but the bearings are made of cheese.
  • 3 0
 you're supposed to use a TL-PD63 www.amazon.com/Shimano-Pedal-Adjustment-Cone-Tool/dp/B00VVW2HEI to tighten or loosen the cones. $70 tool. The only alternative I've seen is a cone wrench that comes with some BMX pedals, as nobody sells a cone wrench that small. I found out because I had a pair that were binding from the factory due to too much cone tension, tried one of those BMX cone wrenches, stripped the nut. Luckily was able to return the pedals as defective, but I certainly decided I'd rather pick up a pair of pedals I could work on with standard tools.
  • 1 0
 I see what you're saying. I was using a typical box end wrench to do it, but I can see how a cone wrench would fit in the space better. To be honest with you, I've had a set of Saint pedals that were binding straight from the get go as well, but I was able to adjust them. I'm a big dude and ride pretty hard, and have destroyed several sets of flats but the Saints have held up with some infrequent tinkering where others haven't (sheared spindle on Scarabs, Canfield, and VP's.)
  • 1 0
 There are MUCH cheaper wrenches that will work. The open end on my GearWrenches are thin enough to fit, as are the open ends on my Craftsman "universal" wrenches.
  • 2 0
 I have a pair of Straitline Defacto pedals and a pair of Canfield Crampons. Both awesome. The crampons are much thinner and a bit convex which, surprisingly to me, have not caused any pedal slips. The Straitline pedals are an all around more stout pedal, but heavier, and I think the bushing system is far and away superior to any other pedal on the market. Slight bit of drag, but not a real world problem. The Canfield pedals have developed a bit of play after 600 miles or so.
  • 1 0
 I also ride on Defacto's. A tad heavy and with some drag due to the bushing system, but bulletproof. I have owned them for six years and have changed the bushings twice, which takes about 20 minutes. Did I mention they are blue?
  • 2 0
 @santoman I guess they lasted so long because they are blue :-)
I will buy some blue ones as well
  • 1 0
 @vhdh666 , whenever presented with the choice, go with blue! BTW, buy some shin guards as well, they "bite" like the mother f*cker (perhaps, as well, 'cause they are blue)!
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy
@brokenhipster

Great advice on the FS versus the hardtail. I bought that exact bike at REI for my 13 YO son a few years ago.

We had a lot of fun on it. I have some great videos of him hitting the final gap jump at HLC - Happy Ending on Duthie Hill with that bike. youtu.be/3QFREtc0uDM

We also rode Devil's Gulch from Mission Ridge down to Cashmere - an incredible 14 mile long downhill, and Whistler and many other great rides. But...

The bike was heavy as a dog and he suffered on the climbs, and worse, parts broke on it all the time. Chains, shocks, chainrings, cranks - I spent more on repairing the darn bike, then I spent for it. Finally sold it for $10 as a project bike to another friend with a younger son. We found a used Trek Remedy, and he is super happy.

Final thought - I would have been delighted to have a bike like that Novara when I was a kid!!!

Happy riding with your kids! My favorite riding buddies and memories are with my wife and kidsSmile
  • 2 0
 Spank Spike is the most "playful" pedal I have ever own. I has developed a play after a month, or maybe it has it from the beginning but only I noticed it after 1 month ... When you take it apart it becomes obvious that it's construction is flawed - only one thin o-ring keeps it "tight" on axle.
  • 1 0
 hey PB, is it possible to find LONGER pins for the following pedals:

crankbothers 50/50 2

because I bought these two years ago .. did use them a lot in the beginning but then not so much anymore cause I went to clicks... and then I put them back on the bike and it felt like my feets were moving a lot... longer pins like on DMR vaults would be nice
  • 1 0
 they just launched a new pedal called the stamp you should email them and see if the pins they use on those would fit on your 50/50 pedals
  • 2 1
 the 5050 should have 10mm long pins to start with, the mallets use 8mm. That being said there not any special pins and im sure other traction pins would work also.
  • 1 0
 5050s have more problems than just the pins, you're fighting with the pedal shape as well. They're just a poor design. You're better off buying new pedals, even some cheaper ones. For instance I have a pair of these www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/fire-eye-hot-candy-pedals/rp-prod119683 & they'll make your 5050s look like amateur hour the first time you put your feet on them.
  • 1 0
 the early versions of the CB 5050 pedals had issues and plenty of people like to rag on that past history, but I've been banging away on on the latest version of 5050 3 pedals with zero issues and the long pins plant my feet very well. Nothing wrong with their shape or size relative to anything shown above either. That said, there are times when your feet end up not being on the pedals for various reasons, and those long pins have no mercy when gashing your flesh if given the opportunity. Be careful what you wish for ...
  • 1 0
 His are two years old, that makes them the old model.
  • 1 0
 Go to the local hardware store ask for an allen screw with the diameter and length you need, go nuts!!!
  • 6 1
 Specialized Boomslang pedals. Super reliable, grippy, slim but not cheap.
  • 3 1
 Chromag scarab pedals are super wide and have awesome grip just got a pair for my dj and I love them, i ride clipless on the dh rig but would definitely recommend them for dh also if you prefer flats
  • 1 1
 or Chromag Contact.
  • 1 0
 DMR vaults have been really good only issue I've noticed after going back to flats from dh mallets is the large round tread pattern on my 510's sometimes puts my foot in an awkward position n because they're so grippy it can be tricky to get it back to where I want it. Probably just need to get used to it more but i thought the 510 'contacts' with the smooth section might be the way to go.. Anyone else hav that problem..? Also got a pair a catalyst pedals coming, I liked the idea of more underfoot support with the longer platform- ill try anything twice!
  • 4 0
 For any fathers wanting to get their kids into bikes, start with BMX. I truly wish I had started out on those 10 years ago.
  • 1 0
 Chromag Scarabs. Tons of holes to put in additional pins (or to use when you demolish a hole with a bent pin), and well designed pins that shear off instead of bending most of the time. I have huge feet (size 13) and they fit well for me. They're holding up really well after a full season of sunshine coast riding, with a lot of rock strikes on a low BB bike, and spin like they are brand new.
The only painful part is the price. Frown
  • 1 0
 of the 5 different flat pedals i run spank spike are hands down my favorite. I do want try RF atlas pedals but they are spendy and I have not had the need yet to get a new pair of pedals. I like my spikes so much it would be tough for me to shell out the cost of rf atlas to try them. least favorite flat pedals I have run to date are chromag contact. because of this purchase i am leary of plunking down cash for something i am unfamiliar with.
  • 1 0
 Warning to people considering that Mondraker (OnOff) stem: got one a couple years back and cracked it clean through in the front. Biggest drop I've done on the bike with that stem (Kona Process 2013) was about 5 feet...am 260 lbs
  • 1 0
 Do you think the platform on the Vault pedal could be too big for some feet... I wear a size 9.5 us / 9 uk

Can someone post an image of a caliper or ruler across the pedal?
It seems like I should consider the pedal sticking out to the side of my shoe too much.
  • 1 0
 If you're looking at pedals in that price range, you should take a look at the ethirteen LG1s. big platform, spin control, grip adjustable to truly silly amounts(it comes with blanks, 3mm, & 7! mm pins.)
  • 1 0
 I have these and agree 100%, they are a very nice pedal. I run the medium sized pins and with 510's I'm not sure how you could ever need more grip. Its almost to the point where you better set your foot correctly when you take off otherwise you aren't adjusting it until you stop. After a full run the pins set in so much that the pedals stick to the bottom on the shoe when I lift my foot straight up.
  • 1 0
 heck, I run the blank pins in the center(more concave FTW.)
  • 1 0
 I think I am going to do the same.
  • 1 0
 Spank's new SPOON pedal looks pretty sick imo. I'm currently on Vaults and really happy with them, but I'll seriously consider the Spoons for my next Bike (which is coming in Jan 16 :-)

imgur.com/a/T8MBp
  • 1 0
 VP Harriers are great for big feet. I'm a US 13, and they are just the right size for me. That said, I think it's really hard to pick the right flat pedal without trying a bunch of them.
  • 1 0
 i personally use nukeproof neutrons on my DH rig and i find them super grippy and reliable. just changed a few pins and BOOM, like brand new. not the cheapest out there, though...
  • 1 0
 I run the onoff components 10mm stem referred to in this article on my mojo HD and absolutely love it. I have noticed no negative effects on steering stability and actually find it to be very responsive and not twitchy.
  • 2 0
 Yeah a 0mm stem seems like a bad idea, with the bars sweep you will have your hands behind the steerer axis.
  • 1 2
 That's why you buy a flat bar
  • 1 0
 Just put the theory to the test with a 40mm stem with 40mm high rise, 9 deg back sweep bar that I rotated the bar back to put my hands just behind the steering axis with a 70 deg HTA and can't find any fault with it.

Kind of like it actually and am thinking about keeping it there ... maybe it seems to work since the frame size/top tube is just a fraction too big for my body size.
  • 1 0
 Look around on craigslist and get hum something better than a walmart bike. It will make riding bikes for him that much better.
  • 4 0
 Kona Wah Wahs
  • 1 0
 Specialized Bennies, same pair no issues, tried saints in between swapped back to the bennies - no comparison. Like the look of the Chromag Scarab though.
  • 1 0
 Hi, about pedals, thinks as well how many/ how situated pins suits you and your shoe Big Grin . I use ht ae01. Price vs quality and shred good. grtz!
  • 2 0
 Just clip in! It does away with all the bullshit of "which flat pedal is best" malarkey!!
  • 2 0
 but which clipless pedals are best?
  • 1 0
 the plastic pins on the outside edge of the nukeproof horizon composite pedals broke off within the first ride or two. spend a little more and get some metal ones.
  • 4 1
 Flat Pedals FTW!
  • 2 1
 Loaded Precision flat pedals... they're like the 3rd bowl of porridge bro. juuuuuust right...
  • 2 1
 e13 lg1 pedals. grip monstars. go back and read the pinkbike review of them
  • 1 0
 Deity Decoy magnesiums can be had super cheap - I have 2 sets and can't break them.
  • 4 1
 Canfield Crampons!!!!
  • 1 0
 For flat pedals, check out the "new" DMR V12. Bought a set foe a feiend, they are nice pedals.
  • 1 0
 I've got the blade runners, and the race face atlas. Both work great with a set of five10 shoes.
  • 1 0
 I've had the same pair of DMR V12's for 6 years with 1 re build and they are still going strong
  • 2 0
 Specialized Bennies. Indestructible and inexpensive.
  • 1 0
 SPANK SPIKE pedals fail in one week in uk mud ... Calibre Bosnut is an amazing 1k bike ... check it out
  • 1 1
 I have a pair of electrons that have at least 15000 k on em and still going strong...
  • 3 2
 Spank spikes all the way!
  • 1 0
 So Mike...what do you think of the System 1.0?
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 It's just that Fabien rode 40mm stem on his Canyon Strive. And that was with Renthals which have relatively little backsweep which generally makes the grip location comparable with 50-60mm stem on most bars out there. I know it by putting Renthals against 4 other bars I have, since numbers in manufacturers descriptions are worthless. I despise the stem length lobby
  • 1 1
 I can vouch for the nukeproof horizon pro pedals. I love them you won't be disappointed .
  • 1 1
 Chunked pedals! www.chunked.com.au/Products-PEDALS.html ,thank me later...
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 Diety....Decoys...im on. Want to go slimmer,
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 No love for Hope f20...I ♡ mine.

Went through all the comments and not a single mention of Hope pedals.. oh.
  • 2 2
 Some Spanks tend to have weak axles though
  • 3 4
 Buy the kid a plus bike. Fatter tires are bringing back enthusiasm for hardtails more than anything else has.
  • 1 0
 go with the hard tail
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 Ride clip less it will bring your riding to a whole new level, the choice of the professional (apart from Sam Hill)
  • 1 2
 Buy chromag liason pedal. Best pedal I've ever used, and its designed by semenuk!
  • 1 0
 KONA JACKSHIT!!11
  • 1 0
 burgtec penthouse mk4!
  • 1 1
 DMR vaults 3

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