Atherton Bikes made the trek over and had Jim Monro's AM.200 DH race bike on display. The non-production link skipped the anodizing step to change up the suspension kinematics.
Jim was using an O-chain pedal kickback damper and the titanium lugs were reconfigured to work with a 27.5" rear wheel.
There was also the AM.150 enduro bike hanging out at yet another Continental tent.
Pinkbike Racing Team manager and race line decipherer, Ben Cathro, was also about with his very yellow Santa Cruz V10.
Ben also managed to get his hands on the same chainstay extenders we've seen Greg Minnaar use.
HT has been working on shaving grams off of their pedals and extending the bearing life. The T2 on the left weighs in a 373 g while the beefier X3 now comes with the cleat slider plate and revised internals.
Factor had hubs in all of your favorite anodized colors.
The silent, zero drag Onyx hubs come in any color option you can dream up. The Helix front hub has cut out to save even more grams.
More colors and all of the driver options.
'Liquid camo' is now a color option for DMR's Vault pedals and Wingman handlebar.
Hayes snuck in their Dominion T4 brake which save 50-grams per brake by removing more material from the caliper and adding a carbon lever.
The gold Pro Taper alloy bar is a throwback to their early 2000s look.
Ok it's not aluminum or machined, but this throwback paint job on the Intense M29 gathered attention.
When stanchions used to be less than 30mm.
Kogel's ceramic bearings are found in their premium 12-speed SRAM or Shimano derailleur cages.
The jockey wheels are said to reduce drag thanks to the ceramic bearings and larger tooth count of 14 and 18-teeth.
Mix and match the jockey wheels, bolts, and cage colors for $489.
5DEV is all about testing the limits of machining. Their Trail/Enduro Pedals are less than 12mm thick.
The Spacey sprocket is proof of that and was made in a flash to test the narrow wide tooth retention profile until someone asked for one of their own.
This top loading prototype stem isn't ready for production, but it's always cool to see what 5DEV is cooking up.
Will from 5DEV had his personal bike tricked out with a mix of raw and black anodized components, topped off with some Versus tires to match the turquoise paint.
As soon as I've dug enough of the sand, mud, bits of trail crap and oil covered plant-life out of my rear mech to allow me to get the rear cage bolts I'm swapping over to those ceramic bearings and saving me some watts.
@sngltrkmnd: it's kinda counter intuitive, but it has to do with how sharp a bend the chain has to make. A wider arc allows the rollers to perform better.
@sngltrkmnd: The points of contact only really move while the chain is entering or exiting the jockey wheel, so the number of points shouldnt have too large an effect on the friction. As Iamthenightrider said, the larger the jockey wheel, the less the chain links have to rotate as they enter/exit. Also the larger the jockey wheel, the slower it spins for a given chain speed. Both of those should reduce the watts lost. Saying that, I doubt any of it is really worth worrying about when the whole things covered in mud, haha.
@ihertzler: Yeah and they would fit sooo muchhh with my purple i9 hubs, hope E4, and everything else I have on my raw Banshee Titan!!! But f*ck, that's expensive for a f*cking crank..
@93EXCivic: Okay well I prefer the look of a simple Shimano SLX than those.... except the oil slick eewings but more for the color than anything so.... to each their own like they say!
Here's a fun game to play. Talk to anyone that has had Kogel Bearings (specifically bottom bracket) and place a bet for a 6pack with your buddy that the BB did not last longer than 3mo. They are absolute trash. People get so frustrated when they come into the shop and we have to swap them out. "but they are less than 2mo old".. If we install them for people we make it very very clear, that they will not last more than a few months, and by few months we typically mean less than 3.
Appears to be a snakeoil company like Absolute black or Ceramicspeed. Nobody will feel the benefit of ceramic (actually hybrid) bearings and the same goes for 18T cogs running idle while transferring power over your 10T or even 9T cassette cog.
Funny…. Both my mountain and road bike are Kogel equipped, most of my coworkers are on Kogel, and a ton of our customers are on them. I’ve had to submit 2 warranties in 4 years. Guess we’re just lucky? Also… talk about a company that stands behind their product. Both times they didn’t even bat an eye, they asked what happened and then followed that with sorry for the inconvenience here’s the replacement on the way.
@Shredocalypse69: right! If a company/product is trash I will 100% be the first to point it out. I think Kogel does a damn good job of providing a ceramic option for more people to try than other companies that are double the price. I’ve got bb’s on both my bikes from them, jockey wheels on the road bike and for fun I tried out the kolossos cage on my Evil with Shimano 12spd. What I love about them the most is you can actually service their bearings! It doesn’t all brake or give you a hard time to put back together. Also just a tip… if you can get your hands on ceramic speed grease repack your Kogel bearings with that. Makes it soooo much smoother.
They didn't officially announce it yet, but I "predicted" it. Or rather: I know a guy who works for Öhlins and he told me. I then comment it under the last Pinkbike Racing Update article, where they revealed the kit and the bikes.
There is so much in this industry that is not worth the extra cost. Onyx hubs is absolutely is the exception. They are truly amazing hubs and worth every penny.
If you look at the prices for high end flat pedals, there isn't a big leap from Made-in-Taiwan generic pedals with fancy branding and Made in USA pedals with good support.
For example, HT's Supreme pedal is $120, and it's HT ME03T is $280. They are produced in Taiwan.
But yea, I run cheap plastic pedals and replace them once a year.
Wait, is there a liquid camo pedal in that picture? Must be the one with the spatter design I guess? Because I’m legit not seeing anything camo in that picture. Seriously, this isn’t a camo joke. Help.
I don't really know anyone who buys any of this ultra high end boutique stuff. It's cool that small companies can exist though and make neat stuff.
It makes more sense on road bikes where stuff lasts forever. All these mega expensive pedals and derailleurs are just going to get mangled up on a mountain bike though.
@wyorider: Road pedals and derailleurs last forever. You might need to spend $15 on a set of bearings or jockey wheels every 20,000 miles but compared to mtb it might as well be forever.
Still don't understand why Sea Otter doesn't have full scale demos like the Sedona Mountain Bike Festival with demo passes. They only let you ride in tiny circles at Sea Otter. Lol. They could have the companies set up their demos across the road at Toro Park. Some ok trails to ride there.
@mfoga: Both are industry events where people come to ride bikes which is why they are so popular. Personally, that would make me want to go to Sea Otter if they had full scale demos.
It sure would be nice if you could actually buy HT pedals. I have seen a single one in stock ANYWHERE to include their website. I'd really like to get a pair of the X3's or even a replacement set of my T1's. I assume their stuck out in the Pacific somewhere.
5DEV products look cool. Only thing I'd change on the wavy chainring is to cut out some holes to help with bolting on chainguides & bash guards, e.g. OneUp
"... Skipped the anodizing step to change up the suspension kinematics..." sorry pinkbike, I know raw is rad but the finish on the link has nothing to do with how the suspension acts
It does have a lot to do with quick turn around times though. They would have skipped sending it off to an anodising shop, taking 1-2 weeks at best, so they could have the updated kinematics available in time for the event.
I've owned a couple pairs of T1 pedals. They have the worst bearing/bushing life ever but the retention system is really good. The other down side is that shoes (Shimano AM9's) don't even rest on the pedal platform, so additional pins are totally obsolete; If you attach your shoe to the pedal by itself you can see this. The redesign bearings are a positive step frwd tho,but i'm considering ditching them and trying Hope or Time pedals maybe HT- X3.
the intense with dorados is a total beast,i dont like to pick on a bike but but the atherton bike is just a 2010 specialized pitch pro made of carbon scafold bars...ands probly 5 grand..
5Dev cranks-removing material in the wrong places. Mountain biking already went through this phase. All for reissue Frogskins, neon kit and 3d violet parts.
Not down for parts that are machined to look cool at the expense of performance. Best crank design is a hollow arm-period. SLX cranks are superior to these by every performance metric.
If you really have to splash the cash on a fancier crank, Cane Creeks are the aftermarket option that is engineered well.
@pedalhound: hollow construction is always the best application of material. It’s why your bike frame is made of hollow tubes. It’s why your handlebar is a hollow tube. It’s why double wall rims have the best strength/weight ratio.
I turned wrenches in the late 1990s when companies made pretty cranks with weird/non-functional designs. They all had an alarming failure rate.
Magic Motorcycle/CODA cranks and Sweet Wings were hollow with a tubular bottom bracket spindle and super reliable.
Then Shimano came out with second generation (M900/910) with hollow tech cranks and they were stiffer, lighter and dead reliable. Put those garbage (but pretty garbage) CNC crank manufacturers out of business.
I’m alarmed that we may be seeing a return to products like this. These companies can’t afford the kind of extensive beta testing a bigger company can-you get to product these their stuff, and if you get hurt they can’t afford to cover your injuries.
So yeah-engineering 101, hollow or tubular construction is optimal.
@pedalhound: I’ll put it this way-at the same amount of the same material, the strongest structure will be hollow. So these crank weigh more than they need to if they’re heavier than XTR, or they aren’t as strong.
Also, since these are machined not forged they’d have to be a little heavier anyway.
@likeittacky: some did, most didn’t. EVERY pair of AC cranks I saw broke. And every pair of Kooka cranks at least developed a nasty creak.
I’ve ridden Dura Ace cranks hard enough for them to develop stress cracks, but it took 20,000 miles with something like 200 days of racing to get there.
@wyorider: bitter much? Have you actually stress tested the 5Dev cranks to understand the yield point? Have you been to one of their operations sites (they have multiple buildings stacked with machines) to see what they are doing?
5Dev is not AC, Cook Bros or Kooka (I rode/worked in a shop during that era and know those products well) where they had access to a buddy's machine and drew up some bro designs with little consideration of durability. They are a division of a very large engineering company with multiple staff engineers focused on just the bicycle products. The cranks have been tested are are well beyond any of todays standards. BTW they are ~40 grams heavier than XTR for comparison.
Mine were Carumba Double Barrels. They looked cool but were pretty shit. I replaced them with profiles that lasted 15 plus years until the bike was stolen.
I understand using your manufacturing facilities to produce a product with them but I do agree with wyo that it’s taking the long way round when there is a better way to make the product, with a different process.
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So if you don’t mind replacing it every so often then you do get a new BB every 6 months and don’t even have to worry about servicing it.
Doubt.
Running pulley wheels from there now and love them.
This wording is so weird. Skipping the anodizing changes the kinematics? Missing some commas or out of order there?
For example, HT's Supreme pedal is $120, and it's HT ME03T is $280. They are produced in Taiwan.
But yea, I run cheap plastic pedals and replace them once a year.
Ceramic bearing derailleur pulleys are just the-dumbest-“upgrade” you can light your money on fire bolting onto a bike.
I turned wrenches in the late 1990s when companies made pretty cranks with weird/non-functional designs. They all had an alarming failure rate.
Magic Motorcycle/CODA cranks and Sweet Wings were hollow with a tubular bottom bracket spindle and super reliable.
Then Shimano came out with second generation (M900/910) with hollow tech cranks and they were stiffer, lighter and dead reliable. Put those garbage (but pretty garbage) CNC crank manufacturers out of business.
I’m alarmed that we may be seeing a return to products like this. These companies can’t afford the kind of extensive beta testing a bigger company can-you get to product these their stuff, and if you get hurt they can’t afford to cover your injuries.
So yeah-engineering 101, hollow or tubular construction is optimal.
And buyer beware on pretty CNC junk.
Also, since these are machined not forged they’d have to be a little heavier anyway.
Period.
I’ve ridden Dura Ace cranks hard enough for them to develop stress cracks, but it took 20,000 miles with something like 200 days of racing to get there.
Actually-all Profile products are hella good!!!!!!!
5Dev is not AC, Cook Bros or Kooka (I rode/worked in a shop during that era and know those products well) where they had access to a buddy's machine and drew up some bro designs with little consideration of durability. They are a division of a very large engineering company with multiple staff engineers focused on just the bicycle products. The cranks have been tested are are well beyond any of todays standards. BTW they are ~40 grams heavier than XTR for comparison.
This might be of interest to you if haven't already read it.
(Not trying to prove anything/argue, purely fyi)
I understand using your manufacturing facilities to produce a product with them but I do agree with wyo that it’s taking the long way round when there is a better way to make the product, with a different process.