AusCycling Will Not be Entering Riders for the Maribor DH World Cup

Feb 12, 2021
by Ed Spratt  
Second place Junior qualifier Luke Meier-Smith came down later and surprised a few people.

AusCycling has announced that they will not be entering any riders for UCI World Cup events before April 30.

The Australian cycling federation has revealed its decision to not enter riders to events in the period before the end of April. This includes the first round of the 2021 DH World Cup in Maribor. The new ruling will include all federation and individual entries to UCI World Cup events but it does not include riders who are a part of overseas-based UCI registered trade teams or Australian riders who live outside of the country.

bigquotesAusCycling will NOT enter riders in UCI World Cup events over which it has entry jurisdiction between now and 30 April 2021.

For clarity this includes:
Federation entries (riders without the required UCI ranking points)
Individual entries (riders with the required UCI rankings points)

The following exceptions to the above apply:
Riders that are contracted to overseas-based UCI registered trade teams
Riders who are residentially based overseas

AusCycling continues to monitor the global situation and will review the situation.

AusCycling has also stated that the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) is continuing to advise that overseas travel from Australia is banned and citizens cannot leave without an exemption from DFAT.

Australia's federal government has recently reduced the number of available places in quarantine hotels making any return to the country expensive and difficult. This change could lead to athletes being stranded overseas for an extended period with a reduced number of available flights.


  • 118 1
 And this was going to be my break out year.
  • 227 0
 Whereas last year was more of an outbreak year.
  • 14 0
 @Linkpin: oh you
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 Due to some bad choices in my younger days, I frequently have break out years and always will unfortunately.
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 They should just ride with a condom on to be extra safe.
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 20 000 Spectators at the Australian Open though, huh???
  • 53 41
 Look at the news today, no more spectators because of a small outbreak. Wish USA would be as strict. If we keep going the way we are now, COVID will be with us for a long time.
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flag DetroitCity (Feb 12, 2021 at 4:18) (Below Threshold)
 @Chalchalero: no matter what covid has already been, and will always be here. Stop your hypocrisy.
  • 19 2
 @Chalchalero: unfortunately I think it will be like the yearly flu. We'll be lining up for vaccinations every year.
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 @Chalchalero: longer this goes on the more likely it is to mutate (more people w/ covid = more covid incubators). Hopefully we don't see immunization resistant or more aggressive strains. Or, maybe somebody can hybridize it w/ ebola so it gets taken more seriously. Pretty sure bleeding out of every orifice will encourage even the most brave, manly, and heroic bros to mask up and stay home.
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flag swellhunter (Feb 12, 2021 at 4:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Chalchalero: And therein lies the problem with many Americans. You consider the Washington Post a trustworthy news source.

Our numbers are largely falsified. Look at what just came out on Cuomo in NY. All kinds of death certs say covid and it was not covid - I know of two confirmed just myself (one a motorcycle crash and another cancer). Hospitals in the spring calling cases covid without even testing (I know - my good friend is a director of nursing at a major hospital). Not to mention the US tests about 10X more people on average than any of these other countries. Yet published deaths for US 2020 no different than any year in the past decade??? Wake up and do your own research rather than blindly trusting a media source owned by Amazon.
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 Hey you can have your opinion about the Washington Post, but the case statistics in Australia compared to USA are not an opinion, it’s the facts.
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flag TheSlayer99 (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:10) (Below Threshold)
 @swellhunter: people these days are like lambs to the slaughter. They’ll believe anything they see on the internet and then instead of going on to disprove their own opinion, only look to fuel their own opinion. Confirmation bias is the real pandemic in today’s society.

I’m all for the US testing as much as we are, but the risk isn’t nearly as bad as people think it is. As it is based on our current numbers, there’s only a mortality rate of just under 2%. And inherently because of how our hospital system has been tracking Covid deaths it’s lower than that. Of the few people I know who have had it, one high risk, they’ve had mild cold and flu like symptoms for a week or so and then been perfectly fine.
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 @swellhunter: The Washington Post is considered a slight to a moderate left-leaning media source. That utilises factual reporting but loaded words to influence it's left bias. According to multiple independent media bias checking sources. Where did you get the information about these poorly reported Covid deaths in NY? I can tell you in two shakes if you need to reassess your own news sources.
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You know that “just under 2% mortality” is more than 470,000 deaths right. Are you ok with that?
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 what about superbowl...
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 @swellhunter: Without data you are just another person with an opinion.
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flag TheSlayer99 (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:37) (Below Threshold)
 @Chalchalero: hospitals are reporting just about any death as covid, as I said before so it’s lower than that. And there’s absolutely no reason I shouldn’t be ok with that. At the end of the day it’s just a number, and a statistic. I can’t do anything do drastically change that, and I have no ability to significantly influence people who do. I don’t know anyone who has personally been affected. In what part of that is there a reason for me to have more than surface level concern and opinions.
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 @TheSlayer99: I am going to suggest that you don't know how covid deaths are reported.
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flag DetroitCity (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:39) (Below Threshold)
 @Chalchalero: you're using two isolated island nations with dictator governments as an example. Hardly a useful example
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flag TheSlayer99 (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 @norbert-sendtressangle: I’m going to suggest you the same.
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Ok say, for sake of argument that half of the death reported are not from covid. That still leaves you with +235,000 preventable deaths. In my case y do know multiple people that have been badly sick or have died in the last year from covid. I am surprised by the lack of empathy. Empathy does not mean you are weak it means you can understand other people’s suffering.
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 @TheSlayer99: I would agree. I don't know how covid deaths are reported. I haven't claimed to know how the deaths are reported though. Which is why I cast X to doubt on the claims you have made.
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And you can do something about it, instead of denial, you could empathize with the sick and the family of the dead and not push a false narrative that promotes people to not socially distance, wear masks and in general take care of thy neighbors.
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flag DetroitCity (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:50) (Below Threshold)
 @Chalchalero: how many people have you killed from spreading the flu in your life? Where's the empathy man you're out here murdering people!
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flag TheSlayer99 (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:56) (Below Threshold)
 @Chalchalero: empathy doesn’t help anyone and it doesn’t change our current situation. I never said that social distancing and mask wearing aren’t necessary. I also never denied the current state of the pandemic. I said that the current situation isn’t as bad as the media makes it out to be. I said that people are seeking out information about the pandemic just to support their own confirmation bias.
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 @TheSlayer99: it's case by case. You can't assume a virus affects a person's body like a cookie cutter. Read a book

I'd love for you to speak to the 400k family members in person but you won't because the internet is the only mask you'll ever agree to wear
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flag TheSlayer99 (Feb 12, 2021 at 5:59) (Below Threshold)
 @norbert-sendtressangle: I’ll happily admit that realistically the genera public won’t truly know how the data is reported. I do know that at least regionally to myself I am correct in my statement about how they report the data
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flag TheSlayer99 (Feb 12, 2021 at 6:03) (Below Threshold)
 @giantwhip: again, when have I explicitly said I am against mask wearing.

And to go with your argument, the same can be said about any virus. That’s why, despite it largely not trending towards it, there are deaths from the common cold, the flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, and many more diseases and viruses that there is treatment for and aren’t generally seen as dangerous
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flag wda1wustl (Feb 12, 2021 at 6:20) (Below Threshold)
 @swellhunter: Quiet, we don’t want facts, we will only accept “truths” that fit the narrative. The pharma corps and their government puppets are drooling, vaccines are required for everyone, every year, for all time.
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Did you know that 63% of all statistics are made up?
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 @TheSlayer99: I know 8 people including family members who have had it. You are right most people have little to no symptoms. Unfortunately 1 of the people I knew actually died from it and another got something called bells paulsey ( forgive me if that's spelled wrong ) half of her body was paralyzed for almost a month she is getting better but wtf. The point is if you get this virus you have no idea on how sick you will get. Some of the numbers are exaggerated but even if you cut those numbers in half it's nothing to joke about.
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flag wesleyfleatus (Feb 12, 2021 at 6:50) (Below Threshold)
 Why does it matter if 200k or 400k Americans die whether it is by Covid-19 or not? US Population growth still projected to be over 2 Million people in 2020.

But US Population growth is stagnating. The population is top heavy (meaning we are old & therefore not breeding). We're also fat, out of shape & weak. Disease thins the herd and the fat of the land is stripped, leaving a leaner, faster animal.
Racial minorities are outbreeding whites in the US and that means greater genetic diversity. Legal, documented immigration has stagnated slowing population growth on paper while illegal immigration is not accounted for accurately as increasing or decreasing
The world is overpopulated. First world countries are breeding grounds and petri dishes for every opportunistic bug there is.
The trick with bugs (viruses) is that to stay alive, they have to not kill their host. So the more Covid mutates, the more it becomes symbiotic with the living human body so that it can always pass on to a new host. If Covid-19 were as deadly as portrayed, it would do like the original SARS and wipe out it's hosts and not be able to constantly spread.

Lets get morbid here. This thing preys on the weak, the elderly, those with heart and lung conditions and or eating problems and/or living packed in on each other in cities or facilities. It can kill people in those categories, it's left us with a population that is stronger, younger, healthier and more evenly dispersed.

Won't our population be then better off?

We'll certainly be murderously gruesome for saying so because my words leave out the mourning, grief and loneliness that accompany the death of those we love. We as a world can have empathy for those lives lost. But from a genetic standpoint and a fitness standpoint of an overpopulated planet, are we really worse off?
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 @wesleyfleatus: By that theory we should pray for nuclear war. Why wait for a virus to slowly " strengthen " the population. Let's just do it tomorrow. Let's start pushing the red buttons and eliminate half of the population. The strong will survive... Idiot.
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Those are two democracies. Could somebody who lives in Australia or New Zealand explain to this person what type of government you have?
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 @Chalchalero: I'd hate to have a dictator like Jacinda Ardern pretty much freeing my country of Covid. Those completely safe, mask-free music festivals in NZ are a horrible display of totalitarian oppression.
An actual freedom-loving island nation just above us is closing in on 120,000 dead (at least) and nobody's going anywhere anytime soon.

(Please mind the chasm)
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flag ricochetrabbit (Feb 12, 2021 at 7:40) (Below Threshold)
 I wish I could downvote you 100000000x @Chalchalero:
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 @wesleyfleatus: mate, initially (approx a year ago) I had similar thoughts. Then my dad died of Covid during lockdown. I couldn't even leave the country to be with my mother. I think and feel different now
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 @wesleyfleatus: let’s not get morbid and not use a bike commenting section to spout our baseless claims. Go to some sketchy forum with your kind and GTF off pink bike
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 @giantwhip: so the world isn't overpopulated? Ok. You're 100% correct in your thinking and I am 100% wrong and should leave immediately so you can remain so.
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 @Chalchalero: we are governed by dickheads in Australia ????‍♂️
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 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: your mental health is not worth jeopardizing to be a troll. Get some help. Get off the internet
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flag Nervozza (Feb 12, 2021 at 8:38) (Below Threshold)
 @TheSlayer99: well world has gone mad. I'm not covid denier and i am eagerly waiting for my covid shot, but the response is not proportionate to the threat. Australia and NZ are top of the line covid paranoid regimes i pity the people that have to live there.
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 @Nervozza: just woke up in NZ, our clock is all backwards like it's already Saturday, it's just in the future a little bit you might say. Today I'm off to cut laps at 440 bike park then I'm heading out on the ocean to watch the Americas Cup sailing followed by heading to a packed bar to punch back some brown frothies. Tomorrow will probably be the same, what are you and the others doing today in your country? Had to ask as the dictators here only allow Pinkbike as a suitable media channel.
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flag wesleyfleatus (Feb 12, 2021 at 9:32) (Below Threshold)
 @bretthudson: So let's pretend NZ and Auzzie aren't islands completely landlocked on all sides. Let's scoot them both over into some other "continent" and drop them in someplace where they have dirt borders, passports that let you drive right into and out of both and we'll also travel back in time to do it.

We can drop your island nation into 1 of 4 spots and you pick the one you feel your government will do best in fighting Covid:

You can go between Brazil, Bolivia and Paraguay OR Niger, Chad & Libya OR Poland Germany & Czech Republic.

Pick where you want to drop your country in to any of those 3. Which one will you be acting all high and mighty and intellectually superior in when Covid hits?

Also, you can pick your physical protection or lack thereof. Go masked, unmasked. Heck, you can even be fully vaccinated when you drop into your landlocked slot.

Tell me how smooth it goes.
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 @wesleyfleatus: happy to host you for a ride someday down here, we can make a decision on the above together. Sounds complicated. Unfortunately for now, NZ is an island nation with an oppressive dictatorship, but dictatorships do get things done.
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 @bretthudson: actually preparing the bike for the ride tomorrow, albeit a cold one because of the cold snap. When c*ntvid passes feel fee to visit in summer, it's quite nice here in north Adriatic.
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 @bretthudson: Well... here in the northeastern part of the US, I'll be freezing my nuts off working on my van... interspersed with indoor trainer sessions and getting my bikes ready for when my still healing shoulder allows me to ride outside again.

Personally, I don't have a problem with erring on the side of caution, but there isn't necessarily a "one size fits all" answer that applies to every country. While my situation has not really changed (arguably improved) during this situation, I also know a number of people who's lives have been decimated. I wonder if a middle ground could have been found.
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 @Nervozza: cheers, I'd be up for that!
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 @Chalchalero: Here you go - NZ has a full democracy, while USA has a flawed democracy:

"The Economist Intelligence Unit's 2020 Democracy Index has just been released.

It weighed data from 167 countries to provide a snapshot of democracy worldwide, with a focus on the impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Factors taken into consideration were electoral process, the functioning of government, political participation and culture, and civil liberties.

New Zealand scored 9.25 out of 10 in the latest index - a fraction less than in 2019.

Norway topped the list, followed by Iceland and Sweden, while North Korea came last with a score of 1.08 out of 10.

The US was defined as a "flawed democracy" and ranked 25th, with a score of 7.92.

"The negatives [for USA] include extremely low levels of trust in institutions and political parties, deep dysfunction in the functioning of government, increasing threats to freedom of expression, and a degree of societal polarisation that makes consensus almost impossible to achieve.

"Social cohesion has collapsed ... the new president, Joe Biden, faces a huge challenge in bringing together a country that is deeply divided over core values," the report stated."
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 @Chalchalero: NZ has less than 5m population, with a population density of 18 per km2. There are more sheep on NZ than people.
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 @Chalchalero: That article is Bull Shit, flat out. There is massive concern that a government would lock down its citizens on a single quarantine incurred, government caused case. A case where the quarantine worker also worked as an Uber driver, water testing was not occurring and the states health services and ambulance ramping has risen 4 fold over the term. The response of the Australian state government by large has been disproportionate to the risk, of people catching an aggressive respiratory disease, and old people with existing pre conditions dying. Those that have died have been largely in respite and old persons homes which have been poorly and shoddily run for years, and the average age of those that have died have been 2 years older than the average age of mortality! In Australia during a pandemic we have had REVERSE abnormal mortality, clearly indicating that the steps have been excessive meanwhile those with ongoing health issues have been locked out or waiting to get to hospital for regular routine checkups and all hidden and flat out lied about. Massive homelessness issues and camps have been an issue for years, yet only reacted too when set up in front of elected officials offices. WA also has the benefit of selling out its cultural and natural heritage to an authoritarian state to make war with the West, so its income for the moment has not been impacted, but that income of a once in a lifetime is being squandered on unnecessary and excessive cost over runs and private projects proved through independent analysis to be NPV neutral, but Dot, Dave and Dad fall for the Chicken little sky's falling end of the world emergency rhetoric and abnormal powers and thrive on it to achieve a Political goal while shutting borders with its brothers and sisters totally unnecessary, excessively and yet to play out illegally because bureaucrats, politicians and the elite with resource and means are immune, get financial benefit or doesn't exist in the real world with ongoing income and think when something goes wrong you simply stop the world and force everyone to wear a mask, even though the cause is highly suspicious, been worked through weeks in advance to force the population to wear masks and proved by evidence the false and untrue accusation about more virulent forms being more contagious or deadly. Meanwhile the poor, family businesses, dependent and lower resourced fall through the gaps forced to exist on government largess and handouts, subsidies and the scraps as though a response while Billions squandered on project overruns and making WA truly WAInc again with developers.
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 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: @cuban-b_can_s_your_d_

'Oral' too is contraceptive

P.S. RIP @blowmyfuse
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 I live in North Carolina. The state of North Carolina has 10.5 Million people.

There have been exactly ZERO student deaths between kindergarten and high school. That's ages 5-19.

ZERO DEATHS of children over the age of 5 in a state of 10.5 Million people in a YEAR.
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 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: covid isn't known to affect young children like it affects the elderly and those with reaspitory issues
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 @giantwhip: wasn't debating that. Just posting data.
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 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: hi Butch! LOL I am so so SO happy to know that I live in your hear rent free!
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YOU go run and hide under the nearest rock bud. I personally fought for this country to be F-R-E-E, thus will continue to exercise MY free will and live my life accordingly
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 Facts. Same here bro @YoKev:
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 @Chalchalero: I am a unfortunate sole who lives in the terrible dictatorship of Australia. We have no freedom here and suffer terribly at the hands of our wicked government. Anyone who speaks out against ScoMo, the evil prime Minister is hunted down by his trained attack kangaroos and stomped to death under an avalanche of furry paws. I have said too much!
Theyy are coming!!!! Ahhh
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 @norbert-sendtressangle: Hospitals in America are reporting deaths as covid if tested positive, then you recovered and you die 30-60 days afterwards of "ANY CAUSES" They are counting deaths from car accidents and natural causes almost 2 months after being infected. Every state has a different length of time but the minimum is 30 days after infection. Numbers f*cking matter as long as there real and based on f*cking science and when they are knowingly falsifying data then there death numbers are worthless and an insult to the people who lost family members from accidents or natural causes that had nothing at all to do with covid.
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 @bretthudson: Yeah, Like China. And the first opportunity your Foreign Minister had to show solidarity to non Authoritarianism, call out illegal internment, hacking, spying, Leninist control and harassment and near invasion of Asian neighbors she blinked and refused to sign a 5 eyes agreement signing with democratic freedoms. Weak as Piss. Serfs
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 @Chalchalero: Unaccountable dictators that rort public money to benefit political outcomes, rort preselection, give jobs to mates and influence, give deals and special consideration to the wealthy including Covid relief, access and quarantine (hahahaha) and refuse to form and give powers to a National anti corruption commission, or limit or remove influence and donation.

That is the government and high democracy we have in Australia and NZ..
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 @MikeGruhler: COVID death reports are completed after thorough evaluations. It’s not inflated. Read something other than a shady forum post
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 @giantwhip: My information comes from hospital workers. My wife's boss had appendicitis 2wks ago, showed up to emergency room with vomiting, fever and abdominal pain. They diagnosed her with covid without a test yet then put her with covid patients. They finally tested her and lost the results, only after demanding they get her results that they changed her diagnosis to negative. Then after emergency surgery to remove her appendix she was put in the f*cking covid ward. Only after flipping out threatening legal action did they admit the mistakes. She literally had them release her early cause they were so incompetent. Sounds like there reporting and record keeping is top notch to
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 @MikeGruhler: Sure sounds like private healthcare is not worth the extra money. Our government run hospitals don't have any of those issues and they cost less.
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 @ptrcarson: for the uneducated, anecdotal evidence = statistical significance.
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 @cuban-b: I agree completely
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 @MikeGruhler: Actually I read a "Scientific American " article about this subject because the assertion by so many that Covid deaths are under-reported has been bugging me. The top and bottom of it are that recording deaths is and has always been quite a complicated procedure and not always accurate. This was an issue before Covid 19 and will remain an issue after Covid 19. Another thing that struck me about this article was the statement (and I am paraphrasing) is that deaths from Covid 19 are being inaccurately counted. However contrary to the assertion that deaths are being over assigned to Covid 19 the belief from the doctors is that the Covid 19 deaths ar being under assigned. That is to say, the number is greater than the 480k. Another thing that was covered is when there is comorbidity such as angina or another chronic illness; when the autopsies are undertaken (again paraphrasing) if the patient had Covid 19 it was pretty clear. Lungs with three-time the mass they should have. Anyway, the article is here.

Feel free to read it. It isn't a peer approved scientific journal article but I guess it is pretty reliable and balanced.
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 @norbert-sendtressangle: your username needs at least as much love as your inconvenient-for-tinfoilers post.
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 @ptrcarson: ok, good for you. Not discussing your health care system
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 @cuban-b: when does anecdotal evidence become statistically significant then smarty pants? Please inform my uneducated self. Your clearly of higher intelligence and superior to the rest of us pinkbikers.
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flag MikeGruhler (Feb 13, 2021 at 14:15) (Below Threshold)
 @ptrcarson: Don't flatter yourself, your country's health care is just as f*cked up as ours. But I don't try and talk about other people's governments or cultures because I don't live there nor fully stay on top of there issues. Funny how many anti-American comments and quotes are in the comment sections these days and nothing is done about it, but if I call someone by the wrong gender pronoun then my post will be deleted. Go Canada!
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 @MikeGruhler: I was just saying what you were describing was not happening up here. Sorry I offended you, was less commenting on our system being better, more commenting that I don't think what you were describing was happening at every hospital.
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 @MikeGruhler: at least we agree on one thing: you are of low intelligence
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 @ptrcarson: it's not. His type like to cling to one thing and that becomes the norm for every place.
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 @wbro1974: yes, and the people and sheep are evenly distributed across the entire landmass as decreed by Queen Elizabeth for all nations of the Commonwealth.
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 @BenPea: good int it it took me almost a decade to think of it. It's my Magnum Opus????
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 New Zealand and Australia have democratic governments where the incumbent concedes if they lose @DetroitCity:
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 It’s not been all that popular of a decision. But your comment is actually a better representation of the amount of money Tennis Australia has vs Cycling Australia.

All the charter flights and quarantine for the Aus Open people was paid for by Tennis Australia. This is as much a statement about the amount of funding Cycling Australia doesn’t have to send our own athletes overseas.
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As with most political augments between opposing sides. Both of you have points that can be considered correct.

Australia swings between a Social Democracy and a Market Democracy, depending on whether the left or right side of government is in power. ( Dems vs Rep....)

All adults are required to vote at every election by law. So the average Aussie would say that we are a democratic nation.

However, Australia like the US. Has a very healthy and legal political donation system (bribery), that allows multinational companies to direct which major policy directions the government take, by offering massive donations to who ever’s in power. Often against the bulk populations wishes ( this is why, Aussies generally hate Politicians)

An to add to it, we are also under the rule of the Queen. As we are a British commonwealth nation. In the late 70’s, the Queen didn’t like the elected socialist government. An so she tossed out our Prime Minster, and replaced him with her favoured conservative government party.

The WHO also doesn’t rate Australia very highly, on the world democratic scale. Due to our current government removing the workers right to strike, and imposing criminal convictions against unapproved industrial strike action ( similar to that of Hong Kong)

Most political scientists around the world agree, that Australia is a Plutocracy ( general controlled by billionaires, an multinational companies)
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 @norbert-sendtressangle: Nice link, read it and many other including CDC guidelines. There's 2 different instances where a medical examiner or coroner can list a death as Covid19 based on nothing more then an examination or autopsy WITHOUT any testing for the virus. The short of it, they can list a death as covid with zero data other then a visual or physical examination. I find that a bit confusing, why would they not test someone who may have died from Corona. You know we have another virus that kills people the same way with the exact symptoms as's called the flu. I don't understand why there's an option to list a death without real test results, especially when the flu kills in the same ways. Even if the death count is a few hundred, few thousand or hundreds of thousands of people off in EITHER direction it's not good. It ultimately causes confusion for the public that is trying to understand what is really happening because it's easy to see the amount of political and social manipulation going on with the public in this country. I do understand that assuming the worst case could potentially save more people or it could backfire if people think there being lied to and manipulated by there governments. Which by the way is a real thing that happens and isn't a conspiracy theory in any way.
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 @cuban-b: "OK pot" says the kettle.
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 @giantwhip: How about you read through the death reporting guidelines for the CDC and you will find a few interesting details on your so called thorough how they can presume a covid death based on a examination without a single test for the virus. Your country may handle differently though so I wouldn't pretend to know what I'm talking about when it comes to Canada.
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 @MikeGruhler: Well this is the fundamental issue. Whilst it does have symptoms that are similar. The flu does not kill people the same way. Also, the flu is 1000 times less deadly and marginally less infectious. Ultimately this is the crux of the problem. People who are not literate in medicine. Such as you or I debating over medicine. There are experts who have devoted their entire working lives pertaining to and not limited to respiratory infections, infectious diseases, epidemiology, pathology of death, cardiovascular infections, and so on. Ultimately they are the experts. You may not like what they say or what the data tells them but that is their job. You wouldn't get a plumber to drill for your oil, an electrician to make your clothes, a baker to fix your car, or a tailor to fly your plane. I find it perplexing that on this issue, that is where the line is drawn. People are getting off at the stop where (in America) 450,000 people have died. I am also yet to read or hear a credible source confirming what you are claiming. It must be exhausting for you being angry and upset at "the system", "the fake news media", and "the man(?)" all the time. I hope the rabbit hole you have chosen down leads you to a happier and better place, my man.
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 @MikeGruhler: dude read a book for once
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 @MikeGruhler: Further I just read the CDC guidelines for recording a Covid death.

What it actually says is (and I know you have read it but this is for everybody else who might be interested) on page 2 of 7.
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 @MikeGruhler: how about you get off pinkbike and get some fresh air. JC you people need to take a break from the internet
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 @revolution-coaching: At least represent your government properly, it's is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of government. The only mention of democracy is your democratic voting every 3 years. No harm no foul, Just making sure people understand your comment is misleading about NZ being a "full democracy" when you're own nation doesn't refer to itself as a democracy.
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 @norbert-sendtressangle: Here's 2 links, read for yourself instead of dismissing people because there opinions or facts don't fit in your little bubble of knowledge, same can be said for myself. That's why I've took the time to fact check some of the things mentioned here. Look at questions 7 or 8 I believe.,22075,420,694.html
Here's the cdc link referring to the same information in the above link, page 2 around paragraph 5.
Also when people die from the flu it's because the pickup secondary infections like pneumonia and organ failure from sepsis, sounds familiar? As well flu deaths are not recorded by the CDC but estimated from positive lab results. Doctors believe the numbers to be higher because most older people try and tough it and not go to the hospital so when they die of pneumonia or organ failure they chock it up to underlying conditions because they don't test for the flu after you die. Take it with a grain of salt but don't take it as an argument, context is lost in the comments. I try and read people's comments with a voice of humor or shit talking because it quickly goes downhill if not. But when people start insulting or dismissing people cause they can't handle a difference in opinions or facts that's when I get bent out of shape. Good day sir, truly hope you and your family are staying safe over there.
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 @MikeGruhler: you expect people to read all that? LOL
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 So that I understand this correctly: The country let (infected) tennis players come and stay in their country when nationals couldn't get home. Held a tournament that nobody needed to happen, but won't let their healthy athletes choose to make a call about whether or not they want to go racing? If the Olympics go through are they going to keep their Olympians from participating? Just seems like an odd call from my little spot in the world
Stay Healthy and Safe out there World
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 The Australian open and any grand slam isn’t the same without crowds. They need to postpone them until we can gather again.
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 The outbreak is from a hotel quarantine from a returned traveller.
A staff member caught it as this ‘South African’ strain is highly infectious.
They think there are around 500 close contacts linked to this outbreak.

The 5 day lockdown is not linked to the tennis at all.

Apparently the highways out of Melbourne in all directions were packed last night, as people are treating it as a long weekend.
Pretty selfish, and defeats the purpose of the lockdown
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 @Waldon83: No No those idiots who stood a road block up in the dark in the middle of 110km hour interstate highway for 13 cases and a WHOLE 1 MORE TODAY while NSW stayed open and contract traced from much higher numbers caused a road crash and killed a man for fear of OMG a virulent bug jumping over a state border with EMPTY HOSPITALS, WORLD CLASS HEALTH and IDIOT LABOR LEADERS whom are playing on politics of fear.

And again all will not be accountable, noone knows who gave the order and the idiot Melbourne public will forgive or be scared into submission as the poor, less secure and children get poorer, stupider and more dependent on the state. Woeful.
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 @Waldon83: I guarantee you'll hear about an outbreak from the Kyrgios match. So many people close together and barely using masks. Even Kyrgios brother (chowder head) was using his mask with his nose fully exposed
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 @giantwhip: I stopped watching ‘the news’ years ago. Death here, catastrophe there. How depressing

The only news I need is the Pinkbike front page every day.
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 Riders that are contracted to overseas-based UCI registered trade teams. So Sam, you're saying there's a chance...
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 Surely that's all of them. Sam CRC Bronson canyon Deano Scott Fearon kona Moir canyon
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 2nd dumb and dumber comment of the day!
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 I would say like one in a Million!
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 @wellbastardfast: Mik Hannah too?
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 "AusCycling has also stated that the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) is continuing to advise that overseas travel from Australia is banned and citizens cannot leave without an exemption from DFAT."

This is on top of the other ruling. All depends on how easy a DFAT extension is to come by.
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 They have to be living overseas too which many of them are not, SH pretty sure is in Aussie
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Unfortunately lots of people with low level infection can get a negative test and as the infection develops they will return a positive test. You need more than one test to be sure someone is negative.

Our hotel quarantine needs rethinking at the moment. Surprisingly, packing people who are likely infected with covid into small, densely packed rooms which will share some air isn't a good idea. It only took 12 months to figure that out... We have a facility with separate buildings that has led to no outbreaks. My gosh it is genius that we have put two and two together.

Largely Aussies and Kiwis are pretty bloody happy with how their democratically elected dictator governments have handled this. Mostly because we have spent the most part of the year dicking around like nothing has happened. We're more likely to get pissed off now that they didn't lock down quicker if there is an outbreak, because getting it early has been shown to result in shorter lockdown.
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 you guys can't leave the country without authorization from the gov't? that is crazy!
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 Not crazy. There are still well over 30 000 Australians trying to get back home and there are only limited flights in and spaces in quarantine. As a nation we have managed community spread very well. The virus “re enters” as it were, with returning travelers and sometimes we get an outbreak in the community. We are getting better at shutting these outbreaks down.
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 @Mannamite: why not just do what most countries do...require covid test 24 hours from travel and quarantine after arrival and subsequent test req post 5 day quarantine...
This is what I did to work in Jamaica recently.
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flag savagelake (Feb 12, 2021 at 10:07) (Below Threshold)
 @Mannamite: i rarely criticize another country's politics, but i still think that's crazy. that is n. korea or e. germany level of control.
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 @jrocksdh: it is because of the logistical challenges. Australia had a loose return policy (in regard to the number of travellers allowed in) and it was hard to contain outbreaks because there were so many facilities where people were isolating. Because humans do what humans do and because of the nature of the virus, outbreaks into the community were still occurring.

Australia's second wave of outbreak and other small outbreaks since then were all sourced from quarantine. DFAT's approach makes sense and it appears that most Australians are happy. As it stands at the moment, I can go most places in Australia without a fear of catching COVID.
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 @jrocksdh: It's the quarantine after arrival bit. History shows that people will not self quarantine properly and there are only a limited number of managed quarantine places.

Restricting departures allows more people to return home.

Still bullshit that they let so many people in for tennis.
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 @savagelake: Yes it’s crazy, it’s the level of “control” that allowed me to drive 2 hours to Canberra and fly to Hobart and ride Maydena bike park last weekend with 9 other mates without any fear or risk of contracting the virus and then spreading it to vulnerable people in my community.
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 @Mannamite: how do u think that is diff than here? except that we are boarding, not mtn biking. serious question.
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 @savagelake: I don’t know if it’s different to what you can do over there, just pointing out it’s not like N Korea et al over here. I’m happy to forego o’seas travel for a while to allow aussies trying to return to get back in. The quarantine system here isn’t perfect but it seems a lot better than what’s happening in other parts of the world.
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 @savagelake: exactly, that's pretty much the situation here in the US. You can go do whatever you want, including mtb lol. Only non normal things are schools closed and masks required in crowded indoor places.
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 @Mannamite: i'm def not comparing australia to n. korea. just the ability of the gov't to keep people from leaving.
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 @savagelake: your daily corona virus death toll, while it might be acceptable in your country, we decided in our country we didn't want to have to dig mass graves and the like. Shit is going great here, and I say that sitting here in complete lockdown for the next 5 days whilst waiting for a small outbreak to clear.
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 @savagelake: Australia is doing it without risking the health of our greater community I guess
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 Think of it like this: I live in Canberra, and Covid-19 is nothing to us. We don't need to wear masks, we don't need to check in anywhere, we don't have people dying. The only impact it has for us keeping an eye on the outbreaks and making sure we do the right thing, which is don't go there.

The rest of Australia is broadly in the same situation except when an outbreak pops up from returned travellers. I hugely feel for the people affected by it (especially musos and the arts) but damn we did the right thing.
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 @savagelake: the US government can (and has in the past) keep people from leaving the country. While it was eventually overturned, people with particular political beliefs were kept from leaving.

While this has usually been done to prevent travel to particular locals (think Cuba), the president has statutory authority to prevent travel.

As per Haig v. Agee and the Passport Act of 1926 (currently codified at 22 U.S.C. § 211a et seq.), the Presidential administration may deny or revoke passports for foreign policy or national security reasons at any time.

Additionally it is against the law for a United States citizen to leave or enter the country without a passport. Though exceptions have been made in the past for friendly neighbors.
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 Except your chance of getting covid is greatly increased where as in NZ or Aussie it’s near zero. So If your cool with getting covid then I guess there is no issue @DylanH93:
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 @PhillipJ: tourism is one thing but for working professionals a pcr test before take off and upon landing should suffice.
Results in 24 hours is common.
Chances of catching c19 within that window of pcr testing and boarding/flying is pretty low.
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 On one hand, I think this is a stupid decision after the country goes and finds additional quarantine locations for tennis players. Yet they won't let a few mountain bikers travel to go and compete on the world stage, the very same thing they are allowing the tennis players to do. On the other hand, it allows more of the 40,000 odd Australians who have been trying to get home, navigating cancelled flights and exorbitant costs more opportunity to squeeze into the tiny amount of compulsory quarantine quotas. A country shouldn't make it so hard for it's own citizens to enter yet allow sports people, or anyone really, to come and go without the same level of restrictions. tough call. i feel sorry for the juniors not on a factory gig
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 Silly. Just allow them to pay for 2 pcr tests...impose fine if break quarantine before pcr results...again, 24-48 hours.
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 This is a good and sensible decision from Aus. If only the rest of the world could start being as sensible we wouldn't be in the mess we are in with COVID. It might change the world economy for some time to come. All of a sudden a holiday to the sun isnt the top priority. Interesting to hear some companies in China are planning to let visitors from overseas in at the end of Q3 2022! That is some pretty forward planning so that people know what is happening. Over here its tomorrow we are making plans for if you are lucky.
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 Wow, just WOW

"AusCycling has also stated that the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) is continuing to advise that overseas travel from Australia is banned and citizens cannot leave without an exemption from DFAT."
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 It would be useful if we knew who this affected. Who rode in 2019 on a AusCycling ticket and not a trade team one?
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 Aus cycling you suck sincerely Australia
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 How does this effect the young lad that raced on Ben Cathrows bike?
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 The Zwar's now live in sweden and ride for the Swedish federation
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 I'd call that a smart move.
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 You got to be in it to win it suckers' ahahaha
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