Banshee Overhauls Rune & Releases New Titan Enduro Bike

Sep 15, 2019
by Banshee Bikes  

PRESS RELEASE: Banshee Bikes

Banshee isn’t your average bike brand. We are a team of four passionate riders who don’t like to rely on marketing bullshit and buzzwords. Instead we invest all our resources in R&D and manufacturing technology. Believing strongly that brand loyalty comes from the performance of our frames. We recognize that to evolve, we need to take a step back to reflect upon and critique our own product. These all-new designs represent the culmination of nearly 20 years of experience, inspiration, and innovation.


Keith Scott, (Banshee engineer and co-owner) has spent the last three years developing our V3 platform, the foundation of which is the new ‘KS2 link’. The linkage is designed to optimize all aspects of suspension performance for each bike, while maintaining Banshee’s ‘DNA’. Using superior 7005 T6 alloy and manufacturing methods such as custom hydroformed tube sets and near net 3D forgings, we created frames that we are truly proud of. Oh, and yes… these changes also allow a full-size water bottle inside the front triangle.

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Keith testing an early test mule.

We built numerous test mules and prototypes as we refined the design. Using both alloy and carbon to experiment structure, geometry and suspension characteristics. Multiple manufacturing options were ridden, while others were abused in rigorous lab simulations. At Banshee our priorities are to create incredibly balanced bikes that excel in terms of riding confidence, speed and fun. We are very excited to share the evolution of Banshee Bikes with Banshee riders around the world!


Anyway, enough rambling. Let’s get down to the details. Banshee Bikes is proud to launch two completely new enduro bikes. The Banshee Titan, and the Banshee Rune V3.



Banshee Titan

29” enduro bike
155mm rear travel, 170mm front
KS2 linkage using 205x65mm trunnion shock
Modular dropouts (enables, 27+, 29+ and reverse mullet compatibility!)






Banshee Rune V3

26” or 27.5” enduro bike
160mm rear travel, 170mm front
KS2 linkage using 205x65mm metric trunnion shock
Modular dropouts (enables optional 26” setups)





MSRP for Framesets - $2299 USD / €2299 (includes Fox Float X2 Performance shock, and pre-installed headset, seat collar, and choice of modular dropouts inc. rear axle)

Available to purchase now, with delivery in expected to start in 2-3 weeks. Contact your local dealer to secure a frame. There are 100 of each model available, so don’t hang about if you want one.

Shock cage


Load isolation - The 3D forged shock cage of the KS2 design contains all the high rear suspension loads that are amplified by leverage ratios within the forged section. Effectively equalizing these loads within the cage and isolating them from rest of the frame. This results in a better front triangle with all high loads contained by the strongest section.

Low center of gravity - Mounting the shock low down in the shock cage results in an incredibly low center of gravity. Making the bike more stable when things get rough, easier to lean over into corners to carry more speed and helps initiate turns faster.

KS2 Linkage


Low friction - With full complement sealed bearings throughout all linkage pivots including the trunnion mount, there is almost zero rotational friction. Resulting in incredibly supple suspension and huge amounts of traction.

Leverage ratio - By fitting longer stroke shocks then competitors with same amount of travel, our frames have a lower overall leverage ratio (under 2.5:1). We have also adjusted the progression of our bikes to work optimally with both large volume air and coil shock options. Giving our customers a wider range of choice and better performance.

Axle path - The initially rearward axle carries better speed through square edge hits. Combined with high initial antisquat this also generates more speed when pumping terrain and landing drops and jumps.

Antisquat profile - The Antisquat profile has been specifically tuned to maximize pedal efficiency in sag range. This value reduces as you go deeper into travel to minimize pedal kickback and offer a neutral feel through the roughest terrain.

Anti-rise - Has been optimized to result in maximum traction and balance under hard braking, so you can brake later and ride faster.



Geometry

We have tested a whole range of geometry from the sublime to the ridiculous. It would be easiest to simply jump on the bandwagon of ‘longer + slacker + more travel’. However extreme geometry plus adding extra travel isn’t automatically better, or as fun to ride. Banshee riders deserve better. Our ride geometry delivers a very balanced weight distribution that maximizes traction and inspires confidence so you can ride faster and have more fun.

Titan


Rune


www.bansheebikes.com


199 Comments

  • 127 0
 Banshee deserve some kudos for listing the SA at three realistic extension lengths in addition to the theoretical one.
  • 14 44
flag endurocat (Sep 16, 2019 at 4:32) (Below Threshold)
 Looks nice but, $2,300 for a frame?
  • 10 1
 Was expecting a Legend based trail bike.
  • 11 1
 Even more so for keeping the actual SA very consistent at all extension lengths!
  • 4 1
 @chyu: exactly, so Specialized almost achieved this...
  • 16 0
 Please make this seat angle at multiple heights an industry standard.
  • 24 3
 @endurocat: $2300 seems reasonable when you compare to a Knolly, BUT, for $2300 in AL, I want to get at least performance ELITE. Don’t need the Kashima but I want the damper and adjustability of the highest end suspension for that kind of money. Kind of a bummer.
  • 8 1
 @Dnik: Exactly. The whole point of buying frame only is to not have to swap out components for the ones you really want in the first place. At the very least there should be an option to upgrade to Performance elite.

Other than that it looks fantastic.
  • 31 1
 @Dnik: Float X2 does not come in performance elite. and we had the performance shock tuned to match the bike, so high speed damping feels great.
  • 1 0
 @bok-CZ: Specialized might have almost achieved something that LOOKS like a Legend, but in reality the suspension isn't alike at all to the Legend. The new Titan and Rune however, are much closer I would bet.
  • 11 0
 Rune looks sweet, 26x27.5 mullet head compadible!
  • 1 0
 @Dnik: Performance Elite X2/DHX2 only has low speed compression/rebound, same on the PE 40. Only the 36 Performance Elite has the same damper as the Factory series. Weird I know.
  • 4 0
 Loving the multiple seat tube angles at differnt heights, though with non-offset and straight seat tubes that wouldn't be needed.

As for other things, the bike could use ~20 to 30 mm in reach in XL and then it'd be perfect!
  • 2 0
 @Primoz: True enough, but an entirely straight seat tube can cause tyre clearance issues. Even so these new Banshees are only very slightly offset, not the dramatic L shape that spoiled the SC Megatower for me.
  • 9 0
 @Dnik: In a world of $4300 Yeti frame, $2300 for a hand crafted frame and a Fox X2 is a pretty good spend!
  • 4 0
 FINALLY!!! Transparency with SA has taken way too long!
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: no doubt about
  • 1 0
 @chyu: I think all of us were preying for that one..
  • 1 2
 @Dnik: with Knolly you get titanium hardware, four shock options, travel options and angular contact bearings. There's no comparison with Knolly.
  • 2 0
 @BackyardEnduro: with a Knolly you also get a really slack seat tube. So yeah, no comparison Smile
  • 50 0
 New Spitfire please !
  • 5 0
 Seconded.
  • 7 0
 And Prime!!!
  • 2 0
 120mm travel Phantom plzzzz
  • 2 0
 @teethandnails: Why though? That would put it a little close to the Prime in terms of travel/use.

plus if you want a bit more travel on a phantom go check the MTBR forum some dudes over there have been long shocking and such
  • 1 0
 @EgoLicentia: Indeed it does put it close to the Prime. I have a Phantom that I put a Manitou McLeod on to make around 120mm rear travel. I also run a 140mm fork, and 27.5 x 2.8 wheels/tires.

By long-shocking it I am able to run the dropouts in the slack mode and keep my 27.5+ wheels, minimizing pedal strikes.

Love the bike!
  • 1 0
 @EgoLicentia: I have not pedaled a Phantom around, but from what I have read is that it is not very plush, which makes sense given it's 105mm rear travel. BUT.. I have also read that it is much more trail-bike-like than a Prime, and the Prime is closer to a V2 Rune in terms of how the bike rides. So it seems the current Prime is a little too enduro, and the current Phantom is a little too XC... so it would be nice to have something in the middle. I also imagine a new Prime would get a bump in travel closer to a V2 SC Hightower, and also the Phantom would get a bump making it a little more similar to a new SC Tallboy. Of course... total speculation, but it would make sense.
  • 48 4
 Would love to see them bring out a 26" wheeled ebike. Imagine the confusion in the comments.
  • 25 0
 If every bike builder says they don't buy into the marketing bullshit, and they all say it on here now, than who is running Barter Town ??
  • 26 0
 Master Blaster runs Barter Town.
  • 15 3
 Funny how they say they don't, then follow up with a paragraph laced with it.
  • 6 24
flag WestwardHo (Sep 16, 2019 at 8:01) (Below Threshold)
 We're NOT your average bike company. Yes, you are.
  • 13 1
 @WestwardHo: I'm really curious what makes you think that?
  • 16 0
 I don't see lots of marketing BS. There is BS and then there is actual engineering terms for biking.
  • 15 0
 @WestwardHo: your average bike company isn't owned by 4 people mate
  • 13 0
 @Ethan12345678: and when you email the average company you don't get a reply from the engineer and owners, but you do with Banshee.
  • 1 2
 @hamncheez: the framing of the "engineering terms" is what most of us end users see as marketing BS. The role of marketing is by and large the same for every company. Don't pretend it isn't.
  • 9 0
 @rrolly: Can you show me on the doll where the marketing BS touched you?
  • 2 1
 ...
  • 19 0
 Glad to see Banshee is still making 26 friendly bikes, I still prefer it over the other sizes for freeriding, of course, buying a 26 inch fork is almost impossible and expensive. I like the idea of mountain bike companies giving you a large range of options to suit your style and it is one thing I've always considered Banshee to be good at. I'm not a racer, I enjoy the 26er agility for where and how I ride. I basically want a slopestyle bike I can take off big jumps and tech trails.
  • 2 0
 You can get X Fusion Metrics HLR for about 300-400€ new.
They take 26" and also the Option of 27,5 (but not that much Clearance with 2.4" Kaisers)
  • 2 0
 @DeadThrone @NotNamed: A simpler solution could be: buy a 27,5 fork and put a 26``wheel with a fatter tyre. More forks choice, more versatility in case you change your bike / your mind. ;-)
  • 1 0
 Well, I'm running a 27.5" suntour durolux 180mm with a 26", no fatter tire, wheel coming from a 170mm sherman and all I can say is, it improved the bike a lot, a gemini 900.
  • 1 0
 @Franzzz: Sounds like a good idea, but I would think that could void a warranty, also it might make the geo a bit screwy, then again how big is the difference between a 26 fork and a 27.5 fork?
  • 2 0
 @DeadThrone: Look:
1- a 27,5 fork is a bit higher from axle-to-crown than a 26`` - depending on the brand though - so the 1st thing to do is to check that fundamental data, because it can screw your geometry by changing your seat angle.
2- you can stick to the original geometry by modifying the travel of the fork, if the fork allows to do so, knowing that 1cm of travel corresponds to 0,5°. You gain or lose 1° of HA / SA every 2cm.
3- also the diameter of a 26``wheel is 1,5``/4cm smaller than a 27,5 - 38mm exactly - meaning that a 26``wheel is about 2cm lower than a 27,5 one.
To resume: if you mount, for exemple, a 27,5 fork that is 2cm higher from axle to-crown than a 26``, and if you put a 26``wheel which is 2cm lower than a 27,5, at the end you`ll stick to the original geometry of your bike without problem. You also have to be careful about the size of the tyre because a bigger tyre increases a bit the diameter of the wheel. Sticking to normal size tyres - 2,30->2,50 - offers you a magnificient clearance for when it`s muddy. I did that for the 26``bike of a friend and it works perfectly!
I hope I am clear; I tried so ;-)
Cheers!
  • 14 4
 After a long period, I visited Banshee Bikes site this morning and was amazed by new models. I love that Rune is still 26"/27" bike because you can have one frame for young rider for a longer period. You just give him/her bigger wheels when it's the right time and continue using the same perfect frame.
Honestly, I think the rocker arm doesnt fit the visual styling of the rest of the frame, because with its rounded shape it looks quite GIANTish. And by wanting to support the water bottle church, the frame lost its unique appearance and from distance it looks bit ordinary.

But yes, it would be the first brand I'd consider if I were to choose new bike because the feeling of consistency, stiffness and responsiveness of older Rune is amazing.
  • 2 0
 Mounting the shock vertically dropped quite a bit of weight from the frame since the downtube doesn't need to be as strong. The water bottle option is an added benefit.
  • 1 2
 @Primoz: I am sure the sole purpose of this change was to make a space for water bottle (which on previous gen could have been mounted from underside of downtube). The V3 downtube looks the same burly as on V2 and V1. Usually in this case, shock would point at DT - ST junction which is worse IMO. That's why the shock cage on V3 must be burly. I think some weight was saved by smaller rocker arm unit.
  • 7 0
 @fluider: Water bottle space is really just a nice side benefit, definitely not the design driver. Keith has never made concessions in design for something like this, performance and durability are way more important to Keith/Banshee.

Trunnion shocks becoming more available and accepted started the KS2 project in many ways, as minimizing rotation to the shock DU bushing was no longer so important. This was always a big part of the previous design and why it was never changed it to accept a water bottle. Priority was over suspension performance vs. water bottle. Trunnion made for new design options, and the ability to accommodate a water bottle.

The main drivers of the KS2 link are "load isolation" and "lower center of gravity". So improvements in both strength to weight, as well as performance. This link below goes into more detail.

www.bansheebikes.com/shock-cage
  • 4 5
 Lower COG is just marketing bs. Think about the percentage change of the COG when you have the bike AND the rider and then move the shock a bit lower in the frame. The outcome is negligible. If a brand wants us to believe that they can go ahead and share their before and after COG location calculations in Linkage.
  • 3 2
 @MikeBuell: Hi Mike. Let me disagree. On both generations of Rune, the rocker arm did drive the shock including bolt rotation in shock eyelet bushing. So nothing new here. Also, what's keeping bike engineers from pulling the stock shock eyelet bushing out and mounting a custom sleeve with 8mm bolt between two bearings seated in rocker arm?

What I do think is that Banshee Bikes has become able to justify the cost of high pressure forging process to produce that "cage" (in Legend called "cradle"). There will be one cage for 2-3 models, and another one, lighter for the rest of the models (except Legend and Darkside). And this is great because it means they've consistently worked to step up to new level.
I am sure the Titan and new Rune will with improved performance posses those traits which has Banshee always been known for. I'd love to compare new Rune 26" with my V1.5, geometry and performance wise. I just will be missing the typical shock placement of older generations.
  • 9 0
 @shirk-007: bike moves separately to the rider, and yes it makes a difference
  • 2 7
flag shirk-007 (Sep 16, 2019 at 15:33) (Below Threshold)
 @zyoungson: The bikes doesn't ride without the rider. Rider is 75kg the bike is 14.5 kg and the shock is 500g. Roughly 0.5% of the total is shock, now move it a small amount relative to the largest portion of all that mass...it's negligible.
  • 6 0
 @shirk-007: the bike moves around separately to the rider. From experience on different bikes having some weight near the bb does make a difference in handling.
  • 4 4
 @zyoungson: Unless you've blind tested two versions of the bike back to back with the exact same geo and parts there are just too many variables to make any "I can feel it" claims.
  • 4 0
 @shirk-007: Spesh bike with 300g in the swat box & half full bottle vs un loaded there is a considerable difference.
  • 6 0
 @shirk-007: & real world experience vs opinionated internet comments & such ballbaggery is generally the way to go.
  • 2 0
 @fluider: FWIW, if i was responsible for a bike design, i'd go Horst link with a vertical shock, mounted to the BB area. And try to pull the top tube as close to the rocker pivot as possible. That way you have all the loads (both frame pivots and shock mount, plus headtube and BB) in the vertices of the front triangle, where the structure is the strongest. Putting perpendicular force into the tubes midway from the vertices is the best thing possible if you want to bend them.

I doubt i will ever forget that Commencal said they dropped i think 200 or even 300 grams from the downtube ALONE by going from a DT mounted shock on the Supreme V2 to the through tube shock of the Supreme V3.

It's simple logic, put stresses in the strongest places, not midway through spaghetti-like parts.

And FWIW, even though i VERY rarely ride with a bottle, i wouldn't buy a bike that doesn't accept a bottle. Underside of the downtube is not a solution.
  • 3 1
 @Primoz: Fortunatelly, Keith Scott wouldn't go Horst Link road, because typical Horst Link layout is flexy. Your reasoning about positioning the shock vertically over BB is good and nice, but it's only valid in abstract world of geometry. Moving into real world one is forced to make compromises and counter acting decisions and doing all this wrong may lead to many cracked frames.

I, for myself, wouldn't point shock at welded area because shit almost always happen along the welds. Google for "cracked banshee frame", they're interesting pictures. We could ask @BansheeRiders about weight difference of Rune V1.5, V2 and V3 when comparing sum of: downtube + shock-mounting-brace + BB + shock cage (of applicable) + seatube. Not only downtube + BB area, because the shock cage is structural part of the frame and replaces good length of downtube and seattube.

What will be probably be the noticable benefit of new construction is centralized position of entire shock area. It used to be upfront, which made for heavy feeling front-end. Now it's in the middle making for lighter weight and quicker feeling front end which is great for most of the riding scenario except one. When you land yourself highspeed at some junk, or do nose heavy landing, you can bet that heavy front end of older gen will carry it. You just have to stay onboard :-). I think the V3 gen is more balanced.
  • 4 0
 @shirk-007: marginal gains add up...
  • 1 0
 @fluider: well I'm going to use one simple argument to make my point. Look at all the looks like a session comments with different bikes getting released. Then compare what the session looks like to the frame I described. Coincidence?
  • 1 1
 @fluider: as for flexy, looking at clearances in bearings alone the two short link layout will give you the most flex since the bearings are so close together (same angle of deflection on a longer lever gives more deflection in a linear direction).
  • 2 0
 @Primoz: Yes, and there was a decent number of Sessions cracked around BB area. The most typical place to brake in this layout is behind the mainpivot on cahinstays or around BB.

I don't find your reasoning about short links being more flexy valid. If bearing has such a bad clearances that it wobbles,then it'sa junk. If designer chooses small inappropriate bearing, it's his fault, not the layout's. The moment force on short links is acting on shorter distance from rear wheel to chaonstays pivot, and then on short link to main pivot.
  • 1 0
 @fluider: bearings have clearance in them. By design. Otherwise they wouldn't work. The balls by design rotate on a layer of grease, which can get squished out of the way.

Bushings also have clearance built into them, by design. More than a rolling element bearing and even more so with increasing lifetime of a product. So bushing-equipped products will always have some rattle.

As for cracks, urlpls, i haven't heard of those issues on all the sessions, slashes, gamblers, geniuses, Transitions, even modern Konas after all (though they are not Horst Link bikes), quite a few SPecialized bikes from the past, etc. If there are SO many bikes with this layout around and have such issues with this, surely you know better than a lot of bike designers?
It is true that this design puts increased loads on the seat tube (pulling it apart) and Nicolai, for their Saturn, made a brace to strengthen the frame. But they did it in order to use a lighter tube instead of a stronger, heavier one with the brace providing enough strengthening at a lower weight.
  • 10 0
 i have had 3 runes and 2 spitfires. i love these bikes. i would defo be up for a v3.
  • 10 4
 I was really looking forward to new frames from Banshee, but it's tough to consider this over the Ripmo AF. The AF is cheaper, lighter, comes with a proven suspension design, and a 7 year warranty vs 2.
  • 4 1
 Why do you think the AF is lighter? Preliminary reports indicate fairly comparable frame weight.
  • 15 2
 Ripmo is 3.75kg with shock (Topaz), Titan is 3.95kg with shock (Float X2). Difference is 150g. Put a topaz on the titan and it would be 3.8kg - 50g difference.

Titan is 7 series alloy - stronger than 6 series.

The suspension system is proven KS has been around for years, now they have simply reworked it and made better. Just like DW link has been over the years and VPP....etc

A lot of the price difference is in the shock and included headset. Plus more advanced manufacturing methods that are more expensive.

Also, you get more suspension travel and a longer stroke shock - meaning the shock is not working as hard and the suspension is more manageable.

With Banshee, you get a high-end alloy frame. With Ibis, you get a catalogue filler in a range of carbon frames.
  • 2 0
 @dirtydawgnz: I've been looking at the KS2 suspension vs. KS (which is just a modified DW-Link). KS2 looks fundamentally different than KS, namely, no dual linkage. @BansheeRiders can you elaborate on the new KS2 suspension? How does it climb compared to KS?
  • 5 0
 @azawad: The KS link was not a modified DW link. It's known as a short link four bar (SLFB). DW link is SLFB as is VPP and a number of others - essentially 2 links joining the front triangle to the rear triangle. KS2 is a variation on this.

The lower link still exists but the upper link has been replaced by a rocker. The rocker acts as the upper link whilst also driving the shock. A line taken from where the rocker joins the rear triangle to the frame will show you where the upper link used to be. Making the KS2 just a variation of the KS Link.

Having already ridden the titan, I can happily say it pedals better than the Prime V2 and the Spitfire.

I'll let Banshee elaborate more if needed.
  • 4 0
 @dirtydawgnz: I'll add more. The KS2 suspension is of course a progression of the KS ... but prior to that on the V1s was the VF4B and that goes back to the release of the first Banshee Pyre... which was actually our first virtual pivot bike released in 2005. Which was in development around the same time as the unknown to us DW Link [DW link patent filing was in 2004]. We didn't patent ours but DW found a neat little pocket on which to base his claims and create a feature of novelty. So no the KS link is Banshee heritage through and through all the way back to 2004. Even the shock cage was something back in 2003 Pip wanted to patent that we lovingly called the club... the club integrated the seattube pivot, shock mount, BB and main pivot... it looked a hella-lot uglier back then though. I even found one of the first press release from Aug 2005 www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/2006-banshee-pyre-mountain-bike
  • 2 0
 @dirtydawgnz: you`re perfectly right Smile
  • 2 0
 @dirtydawgnz: Thanks for clarifying (I got my info from a Banshee dealer). Looking forward to V3 Prime.
  • 5 1
 Sweet! I’ve been riding a Banshee Prime Exclusively for the past 5 years, ZERO issues with the frame or bearings! I did put a -2 degree works headset on it so I can run a 160mm fork without lifting the bb up too high.

I am glad to see @BansheeRiders did away with the silly 1 head tube length for all sizes deal, I have to run 75mm of spacers and a 40mm rise bar to get my bars near as high as I want them...with the new Titan I’d only have to run 50mm spacer with a 40mm riser...Being tall is hard (on the back).
  • 5 0
 My first Banshee was a 2007 Pyre I got off Buy/Sell. In 2013 upgraded to a new Rune V2, been usin' and abusin' since. Everything from gnarly Plattekill rocks to 10-stair hucks to flat to 30 mile all day adventures, the Rune has been by my side. Thanks Banshee for making awesome, durable, do-it-all bikes. Just wish my LBS still sold 26" tires. Ride your f'in bike!
  • 4 0
 The Rune can take a 180mm fork so we could do a mullet bike with a 160mm 29 but it will be a bit higher/slacker with the wheel height difference between 29 and 27.5!

@Banshee-Team We should read 76.4° instead of 77.4 for the Rune STA at 800mm! Wink By the way I just realized that it was steeper for the L and XL frames.... while it is pretty much always slacker, we need steeper STA as our seat is higher than shorter people so big thumbs up for that!!!
  • 8 0
 3 alloy bikes in a week, pinkbike you're too good to me ...
  • 15 7
 what's a 26"?
  • 10 3
 Endangered species
  • 12 6
 It is a wheelsize for the little gremlins people call "children".
  • 25 2
 It's what all the cool people are riding these days..
  • 12 1
 The opposite of mechanical doping.
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: Just aboot spit out me coffee! Needs more upvotes lol Big Grin
  • 2 0
 But how future proof is it to go 26“?
  • 2 0
 @procoaster : a 26``is pretty similar to a first love: it shows you that size doesn`t matter if you can handle things properly Smile
  • 5 0
 Excellent, past owner here and i gotta say Banshee bikes ride great and they're good people to deal with. Liking the Titan for sure.
  • 3 0
 I had a @BansheeRiders Scirocco. It was the only bike I regret selling. Now my wife is on a spitfire and its amazing. All I wonder is when they are going to release a KS2 linkage Prime? That would be the absolute perfect bike for Midwest Shredding.
  • 2 0
 Exactly, the 140mm 29er market is great. Able to handle some real chunk and still fun on the XC bits, looking forward to this if it happens
  • 7 0
 452mm chainstays?! I LOVE U 3!!!!!!!
  • 7 0
 Happy to know that you understand the benefits!
  • 1 0
 @BansheeRiders: But tell us please... I would like to change my mind if you can tell me why it is better! I know it is more stable for straight high speed but what are the other benefits and why?
  • 5 0
 @Timo82: it's the key for a balanced bike. you don't have to throw yourself over the bars to gain grip on the front tire. two wheel drifts aaaaall day!
  • 2 0
 @Timo82: As Ben said, it's a better balanced bike (balanced traction front and rear) so you you can ride it faster with your body in a more neutral position, which makes it easier to shift quickly if required.
  • 1 0
 @BansheeRiders: Will the cage fit Ohlins TTX22M?
  • 2 0
 @jollyXroger: Should do based on 3D model
  • 1 0
 Ok thanks guys! I'll try to find a demo with long chainstay to try it before spending 3000$ for a frame though... Just to be sure! lol
  • 2 0
 Super nice bikes! There's something about Banshee that I've always really liked, even though I've only ever owned an Rampant from them. That was such a fun little ripper, even though my build was pretty dumb (140mm fork, dropper etc).
  • 9 3
 True.Sell me the proto. with external routing
  • 2 0
 that was one thing i like about my current rune. external cables. i had a break fade between race rune 5 mins to put a spare one on and off racing again. internal look great but not good for the privateer! It woudl nto stop me buying another one as long as the handling has the the same feel and grip.
  • 4 0
 Hot damn that shock cage / bb area's a beaut (so's the bike). Kudos for the detailed specs Banshee. When making a bike purchase it's nice to do so based on actual numbers.
  • 4 0
 I was waiting for you patiently and I was not disappointed “Big balls backWink
  • 5 0
 Pls tell me that there is an phantom on the way
  • 1 0
 If there is, it'll be added to my shortlist for my next bike for sure.
  • 2 1
 Wow, I was waiting for this titan after someone posted the prototype picture on mtbr and it is better than I thought!!! Except for the 452mm wheelbase.. :O Pretty sure it will jump and do dh trails well but I mainly ride slow and tights enduro trails here so I think I'm gonna have to stay with 27.5.. Frown If it is really plush it could be okay with a coil fork in front though!

2300us is a bit steep too as I was looking at the coiled Ripmo AF at 1900us but... it ain't a Banshee!! Plus the Titan seems to be lighter than the Ripmo AF! Wink For the price I would have liked a factory X2 but at least it is an X2 and not a DPX2 like the prototype we saw! Big Grin

Me really really like!
  • 2 0
 I'm not sure comparing it to the AF is fair price wise. Look at that metal work on this thing. That BB area looks hella expensive to produce while the AF is pretty clean simple tubing. I'm sure both will rip but these just look amazing in comparison. Plus, everyone will have an AF next year.
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 I didn't see the weight of the frames listed anywhere in this article. The Ripmo is one of the lightest bikes of its category, and I couldn't see the alloy models being substantially heavier.

The Titan on the otherhand looks like a tank. Any source for weight guestimates?
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 @PHeller: www.bansheebikes.com/titan

Not sure ibis is lightest... considering the fox shock weighs about 150g more than the DVO, this would imply that the Titan is actually a touch lighter if using the same shock... and has more travel.
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 @PHeller: On their site it says the Titan is 8.7lbs with the shock. Rimp AF is 2lbs heavier than the carbon one... 6.25lbs with the dvo shock. I was sure it was without the shock but I've looked at so many bikes..my bad! Still, about the same weight (with same shock) but bit more travel and can probably take more!

@kiddlivid You're right as everyone will have an AF and that's why I said ''it ain't a Banshee''! Ibis is better than a Specialized, Norco, etc but still prefer more exotic brand like Banshee, Knolly (I have a warden right now), etc. Plus the silver paint is pretty normal...nothing can beat a raw frame (I have blue hope E4 to put on a bike so...lol).
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 @BansheeRiders: the Carbon Ripmo is down there with the Scott Genius as being one of the lightest 145mm+ frames on the market. It's something like 5.8lbs without the shock. The Genius is 5lbs WITH shock, which is crazy.

Switch to aluminum, the most affordable Genius 920 at 150/150 is 31lbs complete, but still retains the heavy and somewhat limiting TwinLock, I'm sure the frame itself is still pretty light.

If the Ripmo AF is indeed 2lbs heavier than its carbon sibling, then Ibis really built it for burliness (maybe why its coil approved and slacker).

The Titan being nearly 9lbs means hopefully the cracked Banshees are a thing of the past...hopefully.
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 It’ll be fine. My G16 29er has a 1300mm WB and handles BC trails just fine. I’m fact it handles tech climbing better than my Surface besides having 175mm more rear travel.

Something to think about; how much of your riding consists of exclusive switchback climbs and descends?

My gripe; all that CS length and Reach so short. ????????‍♀️
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 @PHeller: Sorry I wrote 6.25 but it's 8.25 lbs for the AF. Carbon is like 6.15 or something like this...a bit more than 2lbs between carbon and AF.

@gonecoastal Yeah I'm sure it goes well for straight tech climbing but I was talking more about tight switchbacks especially in descends. You're right though, the other day I thought about that.... even if I rarely go on fast dh trails, there's only a couple of ultra tight turns so it could be good for 80-90% of my riding!

At 6'1'' I would be on a large but also thought that reach and top tube were a bit short with that 77° STA versus my XL warden I have right now.
  • 5 0
 26 aint dead!! Always loved Banshee bikes after owning one.
  • 2 1
 Longish chainstays and strong anti-squat on the Titan. The first is kind of trendy, the second not so much. The first is not what I would have chosen, the second kind of is. Anyway. The bike looks good overall, the only thing I definitely don't like is the long head tube. The front is high enough already on a 29" bike!
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 The Rune remodel looks pretty good, got the CS down to a normal length, price came up, but looks worth it. That lower shock cage is cool.
  • 1 0
 Every 27.5 bike in the world is 26 compatible...you just need a longer fork to raise the BB if you want ... The same applies to 27.5 forks. There's no point on buying 26 forks nowadays unless it's for a dirt jump bike.... I can't get why people always complains for companies not making 26 frames or forks when the difference between the 2 diameters is so small.....
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 wheres my new prime. love the Titan but need little less travel
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 looks nice, the antisquat looks to be abit much though. all personal preference i guess but 90 % in climbing gears and 0% in descending gears feels best to me.
  • 6 0
 Definitely plenty of personal preference here, no real right or wrong for sure. We actually did test an earlier photo that had pretty close to your preferred numbers, wanted to see how it played into the ride with the new design. To all of us though, it just felt a bit dead. Didn't have the pump acceleration and liveliness you get from having antisquat. Which is a characteristic we wanted to cary over from the V2's, and one we personally appreciate. I personally really enjoy the levels that we settled on and am really enjoying the new models!
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 @MikeBuell: i will try one of your new bikes when i have the chance. I owned a scream and always liked your bikes and approach.
  • 2 0
 Impressive. I'd love to try one of these. I like their willingness to keep these bikes versatile and 9ffer 26" options as well.
  • 5 1
 “Born on the shore” , but no dealers in bc?.....
  • 5 1
 We do have a couple (see our website dealer map for details). But yes...It's something we are working hard on. We have now built the infrastructure to service dealers directly and will be looking to bring on good dealers across Canada. If you have a favorite local bike shop that you want to work with, we will happily arrange for them to get your frame in for you. Just have them get in touch and we will set them up... super easy no buy in, or credit check.
  • 2 0
 I've owned both version 1 and 2 of the Prime and love it, I've been wanting a bigger bike and now with the Titan I can keep in the Banshee family Smile
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 am i the only person who wants a darkside with these updated frame features (esp shock placement)?
  • 1 0
 Sweet, these look great! Stokked to see Banshee getting some love here, a hugely underappreciated brand that makes bikes that really rip. Love my Rune and Darkside, hopefully there will be a new Darkside with more reach..
  • 3 0
 Yes! I have been waiting for this... Thank you Banshee!
  • 2 1
 Banshee makes great bikes, but how does a company that does small, boutique volume without boutique prices afford molds for hydroforming and forging?
  • 30 1
 By not paying ourselves big wages, not having investors, and scraping on through! haha
  • 3 0
 @BansheeRiders: Good to hear!! Best of luck to you guys.
  • 2 0
 Does the rocket pivot axle go through the center of the seat tube and is that the limit for the bottom of seatpost?
  • 1 0
 The pivot does go through, but is machined away to allow clearance for dropper posts.
  • 4 1
 And props to banshee for no ebike. Love my rune v2
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 Hi Banshee - I noticed you tested in carbon. Any plans for a carbon future at Banshee? I was about to pull the trigger on a V2 Prime this week. Holding off now for V3 - will I be waiting a long time? Also, can you please set up distribution in Canada?
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 Not looking to do carbon at this stage. we did back to back testing between carbon and alloy part (carbon from a factory who makes some of the worlds most expensive mtb's) and while the carbon was marginally lighter for same load strength, the alloy coped better with impact tests, and didn't require gluing in bearings, or alloy bearing seats, or threaded BB's, which was a big weakness we found in carbon... the fact that ream tolerances are poor. It felt cheap and nasty to us to have to use bearing seat agent to effectively bond in bearings, BB and headset. And then there is price factor... couldn't justify it as a consumer.
  • 3 0
 Oh and yeah, Canad is definitely a big focus for us now. we have a North American warehouse set up and are looking for good Canadian dealers!
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 @BansheeRiders: That is great to hear. A dealer in the Lower Mainland BC would make sense. I borrowed a 2017 Prime this summer - it is the perfect bike for BC. I'm 250 lbs and 6'4" - so I need stiff bikes. The Prime was amazing. Regarding carbon - all good points. I do prefer the feel of a carbon bike. But I value good design over frame material - and this is where Banshee shines.
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 Liking the look if high quality alloy more and more. I think its time mtb moved on from carbon.
  • 3 0
 Glad to see new Banshees. One of the few real bike companies left!
  • 1 0
 @BansheeRiders : Good news from Banshee bikes. Don`t you have discounted Rune V2.0 framesets in stock now that the new version is coming?
  • 4 2
 Look sweet, but hope they do better than a 2 year warranty.
  • 3 0
 They should have done that for the v.2 frames as well, especially now with the higher price for v.3 frames. I was pretty disappointed in the warranty back then.
  • 4 0
 The Legend is warrantied for only 1 year, according to their website. My Darkside snapped in its third season. Wasn't impressed when I learned it was only a 2 year coverage. Pretty much what's holding me bike from buying another bike of theirs.
  • 2 0
 Snapped a Darkside too and distorted the downtube at the shock mount on the warranty frame within 6 months @turco999:
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 I thought it would be more for those new models but no mention about warranty on their site so I suppose it is still 2 years! You guys are making me a bit nervous as I broke my last 2 frames and I'm not doing anything wild... Spending that kind of money for an aluminium frame, I want to be sure I won't loose everything if it snap after 2 years! Frown
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 @Timo82: In all fairness, I put the bike through it’s paces. When it went out on me it simply collapsed underneath me when landing off a drop. It definitely change my perspective on the characteristics of carbon bikes and taught me to be more proactive in inspecting my frame/parts periodically for irregularities. As much as I liked how the bike rode, it’s not worth the risk with all the other options that are out there.
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 @AidanSellars:

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. From the multiple responses here/irl, it seems like that juncture was pretty suseptable to failure. I had just checked my frame the morning before riding, and had no deformations in that section. Had heli 3M tape to protect it from rock strikes as well.
  • 1 0
 Looks great!! I’ve owned 3 banshees in the past and they are magnificent bikes. May be time for #4 soon.
  • 3 2
 Internal cable routing? That is just giving in to marketing bullsh*t... Even the discbrake cable looks to be internal...
  • 1 0
 Nice, but where can I get a hanger for a Banshee Rampant? Nobody seemed to answer my emails.
  • 1 0
 That's strange, I had responses from them the next day. Try helloatbansheebikes.com and Michael was super helpful
  • 3 0
 northshorebillet.com/collections/derailleur-hangers/products/banshee-mythic-derailleur-hanger

not sure who you have been emailing, sorry if we haven't got back to you. These guys make the best hangers in the aftermarket world and that's the hanger you need.
  • 1 0
 North Shore billet
  • 2 0
 what about the legend 29er release date ????????
  • 2 0
 They are out, my buddy has been riding one all summer.
  • 2 0
 Got damn it! I just finished v2 build :]
  • 1 0
 @Banshee-Team @BansheeRiders

What is the chainstay length of the Titan with the longest dropout option?
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 The long chainstay option adds 9mm to chainstay length. It's really to enable 29+ builds primarily. but if you want a longer chainstay then go for it!
  • 1 0
 @BansheeRiders: I had a V2 rune that i made 454mm chainstay dropouts for, made me consistently drop 30 seconds on a super familiar challenging 10 minute segment. My most recent bike had 459 chainstays and it was really nice to have more planted traction on front wheel and lighter rear end. After cracking that china carbon looks like i might have to pick up a titan.
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 @getsomesy: I was tempted to get a banshee just so I could make a longer chainstay bike like you did. In the end I couldn't figure out what parts I needed and the idea passed. Over the years my speed has seemed to drop every time I buy a bike with shorter chainstays as the market has trended that way. I was interested in a Druid or Enduro due to the longer than most chainstays. Then to randomly see the Titan with even longer chain stays has got me excited. I'm actually building up a 2014 stumpjumper evo as it has 455mm stays and I'm dieing to see what I can do on a balanced bike.
  • 1 0
 @panaphonic: a couple other options are khs 6600+ or the orange stage and orange 329.
  • 1 0
 @bansheebikes please use the design elements and make a new Spitfire with your old school style
  • 1 0
 Question to Banshee. Why there's no down tube protector?
  • 11 1
 You don't need one on these bikes, trust me. You need rock protectors.
  • 1 0
 Most stones and rock will hit the forged part and that will be strong as fuck
  • 6 1
 Because it's not made of fragile carbon... protectors didn't really exist before carbon frames for a reason. The bottom of the shock cage is 2.5mm thick alloy... would take a hell of a rock hit to even dent it.
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flag CircusMaximus (Sep 16, 2019 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 @BansheeRiders: and yet you can buy alloy frames with protection. Seems kinda lame considering the price of the frame.
Not a deal breaker though and that Titan looks great!
  • 3 1
 @CircusMaximus: Some frames have down tubes that extend forward from the bb and are prone to catching on stuff. That’s why they need a protector. The banshee frames don’t need it.
  • 1 0
 @BansheeRiders: or the DH frame that “looks like a Session” from a certain USA brand made of pop can thin down tubes.
  • 1 0
 @Ttimer: wow thanks for your observation
  • 2 0
 @turco999: that's exactly what my MY16 Spitfire did.
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 @turco999: I was glad they got rid of that seat tube to down tube gusset with the 2017 bikes (apart from the Darkside), as it seems to be the main place where Banshee frames crack! Has anyone seen one of the newer hydroformed frames break?
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 @turco999: same spot mine snapped
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 @threehats: The only issue I had was a very small crack on one of the welds where the seat tube attaches to the pivot above the BB. It may have been there from the get-go. I didn't notice it till I was cleaning the bike. Got in touch with Banshee and they warrantied the frame quickly then sent me a new one in the black color I originally wanted. That was over a year ago and the replacement frame has had 0 issues and taken quite a beating from all the rocks and roots in western NC. It's been a great bike but that Titan is looking pretty good!
  • 1 0
 That Titan looks cool as shit .
  • 2 0
 iron horse v3
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 SWEET! Now do the PRIME!!
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 MEAN!!!!!
  • 1 0
 did I say I love it !!!!
  • 2 3
 Is it just me or do these look like those giant reigns from '08
  • 2 0
 Lol I can't unsee it now.
  • 3 6
 Will it b(l)end?
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