Bike Check: Caminade’s Titanium ‘Chill Easy’ Trail/Enduro Bike

Jul 27, 2019
by Kike Abelleira  



We teased you a with just one shot at the Mega Alpe d'Huez a couple of weeks ago. Here's the main course.

Caminade is a French bespoke bike manufacturer from Ille sur Têt, close to Perpignan in the South of France and next to an outstanding test field for a bike company like the Pyrenees. Caminade manufactures all of their frames in house and they only use steel and titanium tubes. They offer custom frames for road, gravel, xc, enduro and anything in between. They even build tandems.

The Chill Easy is their trail/enduro model, which they have been testing since February. It has been built around a 160mm travel fork, although they say it works perfectly at 170mm. The rear travel for the first unit is 140mm, but travel and geometry can be easily tuned to customer preferences.

Caminade says customer will be able to choose, among other details, stack, reach, head angle and suspension travel. They say the frame can also feature a water bottle holder, so don't panic.

This bike here is the personal rig of Caminade engineer Geoffrey Buisan.

bigquotes'The geometry is really easy to ride on. You feel at home when you ride the bike, the head angle is not too extreme (65,5). The goal was to build an easy and playful bike. The mullet bike configuration (29" front and 27,5" rear) goes in that way. It is really precise in the front wheel and can accelerate through the rocks and the rear wheel is easy to turn in a corner.Geoffrey Buisan, Caminade engineer

Being made from titanium, we'd expect some comfort and compliance due to the material, but Caminade says the large chainstay tubes and the BB joint help the bike feel stiff in cornering.

Geoffrey's bike geometry numbers are a 528mm stack, 470mm reach, 65.5° headtube angle, and a 1245mm wheelbase. Geoffrey is a tall guy at 187cm (just under 6'2"). The Ohlins fork he chooses sports 160mm travel and a 51mm offset.

We focused mostly on the frame design and details because, in the end, that's what makes this bike unique.


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Caminade chose the shock position, looking for a linear ratio, and then designed the frame around those parameters.


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check



Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Geoffrey says that the Chill Easy performs really well with lateral stiffness and offers titanium comfort.



Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check




Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Super Boost bottom bracket custom made in France by chainring manufacturer Specialites TA.


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check



Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Not many bike frames offer a dedicated beer bottle opener.


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Metal asymmetry.


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check



Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Internal cable routing...


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
...all the way to the very end of the dropouts.




Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check
Custom frame engraving for even more personalization.


Mega Alpe dHuez 2019 Caminade Chill Easy bike check




For more details, you can visit Caminade's website.

More photos of the Chill Easy here.

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228 Comments

  • + 141
 I can't be the only one who is sick of seeing a bottle opener on EVERYTHING. It's even in a terrible place.
  • + 52
 Seems like a waste of time considering that pedals and spokes can open bottles.
  • + 86
 We.Drink.Cans! It's 2019 FFS.
  • + 5
 @colincolin: Either do we. I prefer my beer to taste like beer, not metal.
  • - 32
flag endlessblockades (Jul 26, 2019 at 15:52) (Below Threshold)
 2x post delete.
  • + 46
 beer’s enemy is light. Light can go through glass bottles. Aluminum cans may not be pleasant to drink out of but the beer stays fresh longer than a traditional bottle
  • + 89
 @colincolin: @myfriendgoose. I accidentally deleted my post but in a nutshell, US craft brewers have perfected an inert, flavorless can. ALL the top quality small and tiny brewers sell in cans. Cans make sense for off-road use. Yes, I drink beer off-road. Glass is a beautiful material that I will happily drink from, but cans are good for beer and good beer now comes in cans. Clear glass is the worst.
  • + 22
 @endlessblockades: Yup, how it's done in Oregon too ~ trail beers!
  • + 7
 @hlDesert do you complain about everything? Who cares if there is a bottle opener or not! Do you even ride bro?
  • + 1
 @tipsword: A trail without a beer is like a day without sunshine.
  • + 12
 the bottle opener is better welded than the seat stays!!!! getting their priorities right!!!
  • + 11
 @elli: You're obviously not an alcoholic.
  • + 11
 Cans are also way more cost effective for breweries in transport. Less breakage. And less air wasted in between stacked cans versus the neck of bottles.
  • + 23
 @myfriendgoose: If the beer you drink from cans tastes like metal, you're doing something wrong.
  • + 9
 @endlessblockades: So, do you drink beer off road or from a can? Off road would surely have grit and crap in it. Either way i share you views fully.
  • + 7
 @watchtower: I just meant I like trail beers in a can - yeehaw!
  • + 1
 My old Swobo had a bottle opener under the seat. I don’t miss that bike.
  • + 6
 If you’re not good on the bike you can be the guy who is really into beer. Its a thing. Or weed. That too.
  • + 11
 @endlessblockades: I could not agree more, US brewers have definitely perfected the flavorless canned beer...
  • + 0
 Where I live I drink from das boot
  • + 1
 Oh, I thought that was just there so you could poor your beer all over your bike in a state of buyers remorse.....
  • + 0
 @endlessblockades: hearin' ya bloke.
  • + 4
 @myfriendgoose: All good metal is coated with polymer ...
  • + 3
 What happens if the BB is muddy? Either beer must be opened when inverted (no good) or cap dislodges mud which falls into beer (no good).
  • + 5
 What do you think beer is brewed in ?@myfriendgoose:
  • + 1
 Looks like a great little skin zipper. I think this is the last bike I'd want to be run over by.
  • + 6
 @elli: usually i don't leave my beer in the sun for years...that's why they come in green or brown bottles...
  • + 5
 @elli: Do ya leave the light on in the fridge or have a light in the esky.... where does ya light come from to ruin your beer.... besides my beer is only in the light for a short time before it is gone...so I don't have that problem Wink
  • + 1
 @elli: unless it's bottle conditioned, like Badger Golden Champion. A favourite, but gives me the stinkiest farts.
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades:
One could run it as a single speed without derailleur or tensioner.
  • + 1
 So were the “founding fathers” of USA @Captain-Spaulding:
  • + 6
 Cans outdoors and bottles at home or the cafe. When glass breaks... and it will..you will never be able to pick up every shard of it. Tire Punctures and injured animals pay the price. Cans are light, taste the same, and are easy to pack up when you are finished. Plus easier to recycle.
  • - 1
 @myfriendgoose: cans taste so much better than bottle beer my friend
  • + 3
 Shimano SPD's make awesome bottle openers #JustSaying ... and our group has put this properly to the test already Razz
  • + 2
 It’s Cool you guy are having a good time.., but glass bottles in the backpack after a mid-ride break,..that makes for a severed spine if you crash.
Glass at the trailhead is another thing.
@HairyLegs:
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: it's not a problem to eat /drink some mud for real riders Smile
  • + 3
 It's a test of skill to see if you can bunny hop over a beer and open it with the frame without knocking over the bottle.
  • + 3
 @cerealkilla: new bottle cap challenge.
  • + 1
 My old SC heckler had one, only used during or after bike maintenance. Cans work better for top out beers
  • + 7
 @myfriendgoose: You`re right because as generally advised: a beer is much more enjoyable in a glass, and it should always be drunk in a glass, not from the bottle. Real amateurs know that.
Nevertheless, and according to a very serious study I read lastly:
1- Beer is much better preserved in a aluminium can because it`s protected from day light. That`s why beer bottles are dark colored, green or brown: to protect your favorite beverage from light as much as possible.
2- A canned beer is getting chilled 266 times faster than a bottle if you put it in a cool place: a fridge, a fresh river, or a freezer when you`re on a hurry to drink it at a proper temperature.
3- Canned beers are a bit cheaper because glass is more expensive, meaning that the container generally cost more than the liquid it contains when beer is bottled.
4- Canned beers are lighter considering the volume, and they are much more handy to carry once they are empty and flattened.
5- and last but not least: it absolutely does NOT change the taste, even if a majority of people think it does.
  • + 5
 @parallaxid: Absolutely! Also a proper french bike should come with a corkscrew hidden in the steerer for instance, not with this kind of gadget.
  • + 2
 Aerospace welder/fabricator here. Makes me a little nervous with the weld quality combined with some of the coloring of the weld area near the front shock mount.
  • + 0
 @shut the f*ck up Canadians don’t know how to brew beer.
  • + 1
 @bekahn: Can you brew a ratoon? No you can`t. They probably can. So please shut up and let them do.

Ratoon`s ales from Canada kills, you don`t know what you miss yet; me neither btw.
  • + 4
 @Franzzz: Agree, except point 5...I am Czech and beer is our tap water Smile
  • + 73
 What a toxic community. Handmade and theirs to be whatever they wanted it to be, no pressure to buy it. It's different, interesting, more bespoke than a cookie cutter big brand bike and I bet he even has fun riding it, despite it not being the technically best MTB in history. Not everyone is an EWS racer, but if you look at this comment section maybe everyone is...?

Either way, variety is the spice of life folks. Also, armchair welders...lol.
  • + 5
 I like your sentiment, but this bike deserves some skepticism. If you don't see it then you should read the comments you're whinging about.
  • - 4
flag sixyearsondope (Jul 27, 2019 at 9:10) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah man! Screw the corporate overlords. This is a cool bike. Clearly shown in enough detail to see it was made with love. And it works without being too dangerous. Have you seen what people are crushing major bike parks with vs this thing these days? End of story. Someone will want to ride it.
  • + 57
 So it’s a single pivot that pivots around the bb like all of the worst pedalling bikes known to man?
  • + 43
 Yes but it's ti and custom, so it's expensive too! It has a nice exposed shock for extra cool points! Aren't you sold yet?
  • - 4
flag BeerGuzlinFool (Jul 26, 2019 at 18:59) (Below Threshold)
 Don't forget about the awesome brake jack.
  • + 7
 It's just an extra leg strengthener, they're really doing you a favour here.
  • - 3
 Who cares when you simply have to flick a switch to have it pedaling properly ?
  • + 8
 I agree, linear shock rate with a coil and single pivot around the BB... be thankful that shock has a climb switch! Suspension design from like 1998, but I will say the bike is quite a beauty to look at and some innovative Ti work
  • + 2
 I had a dmr bolt long for years and it pedalled LIKE A HARDTAIL putting the shock in the firm position (NOT EVEN CLOSED). Doesn't 80% of people do the same in their carbon frames with all this pedal efficency graphics and bullshit that is not more than pedal kickback and horrible feeling in the downs?
Another thing is levarage ratios of the rear suspension. Why do they say all this bullshit about linear frames ''we just prefer the feel of more linear frames'', ''we did it on purpose'', ''they feel poppier''....just say the design is not as good as more porggressive ones because of....simplicity?, looks? or whatever you have to say. But don't try to confuse less experienced customers whose rear shocks are going to explode due to the added pressure of bottom outs. Tell them the truth.They shouldn't use coil shocks, the'd better buy a dhx air , vivid air or even more expensive models to mitigate bottom outs and lack of small bump compliance. And even investing a lot in the shock, thell them they should put a few more psi or bottomless tokens ruining suppleness or suspension behavoir.... I'm tired of bullshit. Just design capable bikes or tell the truth: ''this bike is a light trail bike that doen't pedal good or is intended to do downhill. D:
  • - 1
 The spokesman is Dr Evil “1 million dollars”
  • + 49
 Bottoming out isn’t harsh at all when the shock bolt bends or shears off????
  • + 30
 It's called a designed failure point and it's your fault for using your shock so much. If you wanted it to last you'd just hang it on a wall you fool :s
  • + 0
 This is an exquisite frame design. Personally I'm more into TI as a hardtail but this thing has nice touches, bottle opener or not (I'd use it)
  • + 2
 1st pic looked amazing, then you see this shock hanging out the side on a bolt only supported from one side... I realise most shock are mounted slightly off centre in frames but this thing is just slapped on the side.
  • + 49
 Shock bolts in single shear. Bruh.
  • + 12
 Yeah, not very highly engineered...
  • + 8
 first thing I noticed - I am going to give a big F no to this
  • + 2
 Yeah, most likeliy the tie rod ends on you car and then some gas shock on cars too (www.mcx5.org/rear_shock_absorber_removal_installation-1796.html) No big deal.
  • + 2
 @Golem: The loading and cycling of a tie rod end is not similar to this application at all - tie rod ends aren't cycled with the full wheel load on every bump. I've only ever rarely seen a shock absorber being attached in single shear (MGB and Jenson Healeys come to mind), but that's bad design too - although a gas strut generates quite a bit less force than a sprung shock absorber.

Sorry, your link doesn't open for me for some reason...
  • + 47
 Most titanium welders seem to come from an aerospace background but this one made trailers.
  • + 3
 Titanium trailers? Do those exist? Don't tell the ti fanatics....
  • - 4
flag MMOF (Jul 26, 2019 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 @Lookinforit: perhaps they should focus on wheelbarrows with that shitty welding. Now a wheelbarrow with that calf pincher fork would be more appealing and cool than this experiment
  • + 1
 Make matching suspension trailer to match the bike because different.
  • + 1
 @Lookinforit: I have a titanium flat shovel
  • + 1
 @Lookinforit: Oh yeah, a Ti Airstream. Awesome!
  • + 35
 Camindale huh? Nah. I'm gonna go with Shrek or Threshialized, or maybe Santa Shrews.
  • + 33
 So the french are as bad in welding as they are in building jumps?
  • + 36
 Probably. We still can steal your girlfriend with less then 25 words and a 1€ bottle of wine. Go hit your jumps Wink
  • + 12
 @RomSZ: don't even need the wine to steal your mum
  • + 2
 @mtb-scotland: well, bucky is TECHNICALLY wine, right?
  • + 0
 @samthirks: you know buckie is English not Scottish right.
  • + 20
 That welding looks a tad ropey...
  • + 7
 Came to post the same sentiment. Their welder needs practice.
  • + 3
 @Explodo: I only weld a few times a year (also TIG) and mine look better when I have a good day... for someone who does this regularly it simply is an expression of "I don't give a f*ck"...
  • + 10
 Does "ropey" mean "shit"?
I mean most people gravitate towards looking at the welds when the know its a ti frame.

To quote Bon Jovi:
"You like the looks of a Titanium frame,but you give welds ..a bad name"
  • + 4
 @scary1: lool awesome quote.

This frame is shoddy to say the least.
  • + 10
 @scary1: yep ropey just a nicer way to say f*ck me them weld are shit
  • + 6
 @paulcgn: I agree why wouldn’t you want to put out the best product you can for a national ad. I don’t see any design features to counter the asymmetric shock mount......that fillet weld is in bending and not favorable for long term durability. A full pen weld with additional stress distribution would be best.

Blodgett's Design of Weldments 2.6-6 Load and Stress Analysis, Analysis of Bending is my reference.
  • + 1
 Totally agree...in comparison to the welds you get on Kingdom frames, they are incredible...always!
  • + 2
 It's the first chilleasy ever produced
  • + 2
 @Whipperman: Caminade is a French bespoke bike manufacturer.

You think with that, you would of done ya best
  • + 16
 Cool idea but not a fan of the design. Just doesn’t seem practical as I feel like my leg/pants will get pinched in the coil Eek
  • + 6
 just always ride right foot forward. ALWAYS. Problem solved!
  • + 17
 Can we have a look at the left knee / knee pad of that guy please?
  • + 14
 I would be seriously heated if my custom ti bike had welds that looked like that.
  • + 12
 All I see are more Michelins I cannot buy. Sick of it all.
  • + 9
 Give us the damn rubber
  • + 7
 Wait! Those are Michelins? How do you know???
  • + 1
 CRC have F&R in stock and the wider 2.6 versions too
  • + 1
 @mtb-scotland: I didn’t see any when I checked. ¯
  • + 1
 @gonecoastal:

rear 27.5 2.4/2/6 in stock
front gumx 27.5/29 2.4 in stock
front magix 27.5/29 2.4 in stock
  • + 1
 @mtb-scotland: are we talking Wild Enduro tyres or the WILD posted on this article? Many of us are waiting for the Michelin DH22 that’s been floating around.
  • + 1
 @mtb-scotland:

Nah those are the Wild Enduros I already have. I'm after the DH22, DH34 and whatever these new Wild are. They showed the DHs at the Sea Otter and have been 'prototyping' them under pros for years. The Michelin rep was bummed that they have taken so long to get to market
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades: bingo.

Zinc even has 26” version.
  • + 9
 Does this have about zero anti squat?
  • + 17
 Negative anti-squat, or just squat.
  • + 1
 Depends on the sprocket combination. In climbing ratios, the anti-squat is slightly positive. Ratios appropriate for flat ground or descending are negative. The pedaling kinematics are unlike almost any other bike since the early days of rear suspension when few people understood bike suspension.
  • + 2
 @R-M-R: I was being kind of flippant when I mentioned it having zero anti squat but your description is pretty bang on, I imagine this thing pedalls like an absolute turd.
  • + 3
 @justanotherusername: I can forgive the wacky shock placement and single-shear shock mount - both *could* work, and it's nice to see companies trying something different - but there's no excuse for kinematics like this. Maybe with something like a Brain or Live Valve shock to lock it out when it's not needed ... but why force reliance on fancy - and questionable - technology when there's nothing wrong with the existing solution of anti-squat? If you've looked at the Caminade One4All, its kinematics are actually worse, so I suppose this is progress.
  • + 2
 Exactly zero, actually.
  • + 1
 @shredteds: @shredteds: No, there is still some, it's just a fraccional value (well below 100%). With zero anti-squat the pulling force of the chain would be in direct opposition to the spring force. It would be exactly like using a spring as a chain.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: Hum?? There is never positive anti-squat in this design, regardless of chainring size or cog size.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: Are you referring to anything less than 100% as "negative"? I'm referring to anything less than 0% as negative.
  • + 1
 @shredteds: A pivot concentric with the BB does not imply exactly zero anti-squat.
  • + 0
 @R-M-R: That's often confusing because it's kind of natural to refer to an anti-squat that is under 100% as negative, as we both have, even though that's not the correct way to express it. An anti-squat below 100% means that there is squatting when pedalling, but there is still a fractional value of anti-squat present. There is never negative anti-squat. Either way, in this bike anti-squat never reaches 100% regardless of chainrings and cogs.
  • + 3
 @DavidGuerra: This is simply incorrect. Anti-squat refers to the effect provided by the bike's drivetrain, not the resulting squat effect. A bike with, for example, 50% anti-squat will squat under power, yet it sill has positive anti-squat. A bike with 101% anti-squat actually does squat under power because the relationship is more complex in mountain bikes than in cars, so it certainly doesn't make sense to change the terminology at 100%. We do, however, agree the ChillEasy never gets close to 100% anti-squat.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: What are you saying is incorrect? Yes there is squat with 50% squat, and simultaneously a certain amount of anti-squat, that's self-explanatory, and it's what I said before too. As for there being squat with 101% anti-squat, what do you mean? There is no squat with 100% anti-squat nor above, and yes I am referring to mountain bikes.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: Everything you're saying is wrong. I'm sorry, but I can't sugar-coat it. First, "anti-squat" refers to how the chain tension and thrust vector interact with moments about the bike's instant centre. It does not factor in the "soft" nature of the human body or inertial effects of the rider's legs. 100% anti-squat does NOT mean a bike cannot squat. The act of a bike squatting and the anti-squat properties of the suspension-drivetrain system are different things. Second, more than 100% anti-squat can cause jack, which is also a bad thing; it's not like 100%+ anti-squat is inherently a good thing. Third, anything over 0% is a positive number and, not surprisingly, anti-squat over 0% is positive. It may not be *enough* to prevent squat, but it is *positive*.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: That sounds like the gibberish bike designers use to justify their poorly performing bikes. Just because you put it into more words does not mean that you know what you are actually talking about. I referred to plain concepts that anyone can understand.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: As did I! Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong! It's like power and speed: one is a property of, for example, a car, and one is the result. A car with a lot of power is not necessary fast. Similarly, anti-squat is a property of a bike and rider, while and squat is the result that may or may not happen, based on a complicated set of variables.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: It's not that complicated, and no hogwash terms are needed, not even "anti-squat". It's all about the relationship between chain line and wheel path. I don't consider rider weight shifts as causes of squat, even though an increased anti-squat can be used to counteract them. Only chain tension is primarily considered as a cause of squat. But back to your initial comment. You wrote "slightly positive" which implies that there can be such a thing as negative anti-squat, which is not the case. But I figured that by "slightly positive" you meant "slightly above 100%", which was my reason for correcting you. So let's see, if you didn't mean it in the first sense and you didn't mean it in the second sense, what did you mean with that? It doesn't seem like I misunderstood you, you just expressed yourself incorrectly, if you do indeed have the concept right.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: The terminology and sign conventions you have invented are against those of the entire bike industry and the automotive industry. I, and everyone else, will continue as we always have and you can use whatever terms and logic you want.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: Nope, there is only logic, and whatever terms you use will not provide you with effective communication if you contradict yourself through them. I did not invent anything, I was asking you to clarify something which 6 comments later, you still have not been able to.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: I do not believe I have contradicted anything or failed to clarify anything. I recommend you read existing literature and learn to correct your errors. If you insist on continuing this discussion, please succinctly explain what you want from me and I'll try to explain it to you. Again. This is not the first time you've done this and my patience is finite.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: From my previous comment. "You wrote "slightly positive" which implies that there can be such a thing as negative anti-squat, which is not the case. But I figured that by "slightly positive" you meant "slightly above 100%", which was my reason for correcting you. So let's see, if you didn't mean it in the first sense and you didn't mean it in the second sense, what did you mean with that? It doesn't seem like I misunderstood you, you just expressed yourself incorrectly, if you do indeed have the concept right."
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: Also I don't know what's the matter with you man, speaking of my errors over and over again but you say nothing that contradicts what I say. I'm getting nothing out of this interaction but your posturing, so I'm the one with reasons to be losing my patience.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: Don't waste your patience on me, then. Use what little patience you have to read a vehicle dynamics textbook that discusses suspension squat, watch some Vorsprung videos, use Linkage software, read some posts on www.i-tracksuspension.com/suspensiontheory.html. I've done all of these things. Seven textbooks, at that (admittedly just the relevant parts). Stop arguing and just do the same; you'll either come to the same conclusions or have fantastic material to refute me. Go on, get to it; I'll still be here when you're done.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: You have provided me with nothing to refute buddy, nor have you refuted anything. Let's just call it quits then and stop wasting each other's time.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: I have provided you with plenty of information that you have refuted. It seems your patience is too low to even re-read the posts, so I'll help you. 1. Anti-squat does not refer to the same thing as squat / no-squat. 2. Anti-squat is a property of the bike & rider system that describes how strongly the chain tension and thrust vector resist the inertial squatting of the bike when accelerating, whereas squat / jack describes what actually happens to the bike under power. 3. Anti-squat greater than 0% is positive and less than 0% is negative, and it is not a binary-state system (i.e. it's not a matter of >100% results in zero squat and 100% results in squat). 4. Anti-squat must be greater than 100% to actually not result in squat (this is not obvious from literature and was observed experimentally by the industry, so let's leave this to discuss later). 5. Anti-squat far greater than 100% produces jack, which is more detrimental to efficiency and ride quality than an equal amount of squat.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: No really, I'm not sure there is anything for us to discuss or refute. As you said, we agree that this bike never gets close to 100% anti-squat. That's what I was addressing on my first comment, as I got the impression that by "slightly positive" you meant slightly above 100%. Apparently you didn't, so that's cleared up. But what is it that you were actually saying? That I don't know. I dare you to quote one bike-related mention of negative anti-squat.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: dw-link.blogspot.com/2008/09/anti-squat-in-suspensions-has-become.html I would appreciate if you could do some of this research on your own, next time.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: What is meant by negative anti-squat there is the way I often use the term too, which is an anti-squat that is below 100%. Do you dispute this?
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: Please clarify before we proceed.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: Yes. Dave Weagle disputes it, too, if you read the link I provided. You are the only one using that sign convention.
  • + 0
 @R-M-R: Yes, it's technically incorrect. So why did you quote it? Is that what you also meant when you spoke of negative anti-squat?
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: Do you mean the source I linked is incorrect? If so, you're now refuting Dave Weagle, too. Would you like to refute the suspension design textbooks next? And everyone else in the world? I've done everything you've asked: clarified my position, explained my reasoning, and provided a respected source that refutes your position. What would it take to convince you you're mistaken?
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: If you need to see another, recent bike with negative anti-squat, here's another Caminade: linkagedesign.blogspot.com/search/label/Caminade Want another? Create your own simulation of the Lone Parabellum with Linkage software and you'll see the anti-squat is negative in most sprocket combinations. If you want to go back several years, create a simulation of almost any Horst / faux-bar bike with a chainstay pivot immediately behind the bottom bracket - there were dozens. Even worse were the Horst / faux-bar bikes with the main pivot locations concentric with the BB. There are many bikes that have negative anti-squat over most of the travel range in many sprocket combinations. Do your own research and you'll see.
  • + 0
 @R-M-R: You're starting to look like a troll, man. Or a bot. Your opponent is constantly "mistaken" and "wrong" without even knowing you're referring to. Looks like automatic, pre-programmed behaviour. I suggest you take a deep breath, stop being so defensive... Back to the link you provided. All that's in there is all I've been saying to you! The mention of negative anti-squat is indeed technically incorrect but it's correct in the sense of what's being said. But was this the negative anti-squat that you were referring to on your first post?
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: By that you mean an anti-squat that is below 100%. You're contradicting yourself! As you correctly said before, there is still anti-squat below 100% anti-squat. It's not negative anti-squat.
  • + 0
 @R-M-R: And back to my first response to your comment, it was to say that there is no change of anti-squat values on this bike, from below to above 100%, as there is on some bikes. The anti-squat is always below 100%, or always negative if you wish to put it that way, regardless of where the bike is in its travel or what chainring/cog combination is being used. Do you dispute this?
  • + 1
 Anti-squat below 100% is not negative. It's only negative below 0%. The ChillEasy has negative (below 0%) anti-squat in some sprocket combinations and positive (over 0%) anti-squat in some sprocket combinations. It never has over 100% anti-squat, even if the owner were to use sprockets that are not available. Nothing I have said is inconsistent or contradictory.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: Anti-squat below 100% is not negative in the literal / technical sense, you are arguing with somebody knowlegable on the subject on the basis of pure terminology not on understanding or the actual case in hand - though I do agree with you that below 100% a/s it is often referred to as 'negative', you have to agree that isnt the actual case.
  • + 0
 @R-M-R: "The ChillEasy has negative (below 0%) anti-squat in some sprocket combinations" It was this "below 0%" anti-squat that I asked you for a reference for, but what you provided was a reference to a below 100% anti-squat, incorrectly referred to as negative by Weagle.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: Oof, must not have had my coffee. What I SHOULD have said is that the bike has zero chain growth and constant anti squat in each gear combination, but not necessarily zero anti squat.

You're right that the bike doesn't necessarily have zero percent anti squat and has negative anti squat in most sprocket/cog combinations.
  • + 1
 @DavidGuerra: I provided a reference (the Dave Weagle blog post) that mentions the existence of bikes with less than 0% (i.e. negative) anti-squat. Weagle is correct in his assessment and in his terminology. I then provided another link (Antonio Osuna's blog post) showing Caminade's One4All having below 0% (i.e. negative) anti-squat. Anti-squat below 100% is not referred to as negative anti-squat because it is not negative anti-squat. Negative numbers (i.e. below 0) are referred to as negative. It's that simple. Negative anti-squat is, as Dave Weagle mentioned, "pro squat". We rarely hear these terms because these properties are uncommon. Anti-squat below - or even slightly above - 100% usually leads to a bike squatting under power. Whether a bike does or does not actually squat is a separate, but related, topic from the amount of anti-squat.
  • + 1
 @shredteds: The bike does not have constant anti-squat in a given sprocket combination. Try creating a simulation and you'll observe this.
  • + 1
 @R-M-R: Care to explain?

The instant center also doesn't move, since it's a single pivot. Agreed? And the instant center is in the center of the BB since it's a concentric pivot about the BB, right? Since anti-squat is determined by the moment about the instant center caused by the chain force, and the instant center location is determined by the BB, and the cassette pivots concentrically about the BB, isn't the moment about the instant center constant in each gear? The gear combination is the only thing that affects the angle of the chain tension relative to the instant center, so shouldn't it be constant within each gear?
  • + 1
 @shredteds: Just simulate it and you'll see. If you can't be bothered to simulate it, you could just pull out an existing BB-concentric design from the Linkage online library, such as a Lenz.
  • + 8
 You missed april fools by a good few months. This thing cant be for real...
  • + 6
 I can't wait to see all the photos of pinched calves from riding this bike! I can't imagine how painful it would be when you bottom out the bike, and part of the skin from your calve gets caught in the coil of that shock.
  • + 7
 Until I saw the bottle opener I thought the frame was elegant and loved it.
  • + 7
 this should get interesting real quick...
  • + 3
 Drinking beer after a ride is so cool. Maybe we can run over some road cyclists on our drive way home too. I hate how everyone pushes drinking after trails, don't you guys drive back home after the trails?
  • + 1
 I too am really over the assertion that riding can only be truly enjoyed when beer is involved. I used to have a pretty gnarly drinking problem, now I intentionally avoid places that I know f*ckwits are literally riding/driving drunk.
  • + 4
 Offset shock so no interrupted seat tube and they still managed to put a short seat tube in it. Pointless. Can’t fit a long dropper in it. Stupid!
  • + 1
 I couldn't understand why in this article there no flat photo of the opposite side of this bike, that's where it should be "unique" a la Dmo8 stile. Then I went on the big G and I couldn't find a single pic of this bike's left side. You see some close up, but not the full figure of the bike (like the first pic of this read): why?
  • + 1
 Been riding Ti bikes for a few years now and I think the bike looks great overall with some nice details but poor welds and stupid location for the shock...but I doubt it works well...One slightly wrong sideways casing, and snap! Maybe if you are a lightweigh!?
  • + 2
 Frame aesthetics look nice!
The undercut on the some of the weld sure as hell don’t.
I can’t see the side mount shock holding up well over time.
But the frame looks nice...
  • + 2
 ive welded plenty of titanium over the years and I can confirm that that is shockingly bad! also,why not make the bush that mounts the rear shock to the rear triangle 3mm longer so you don't need to use a stack of washers!
  • + 4
 If you zoom in close you can actually see chunks of skin and hair on the shock adjustment nobs.
  • + 2
 I mean you made a bottle opener! but where do I put my weed and ting. back to Specialized for me can carry oz and ting in my downtube stash and still open bottles on my pedal !
  • + 1
 Meh, I'm not impressed with the fit and finish for a Ti frame.

Also, if you need a bottle opener to open a bottle you have issues. You only need another bottle to open a bottle(unless your a rookie)
  • + 12
 Right, but then how do you open the other bottle? It's turtles all the way down.
  • - 3
 @igxqrrl: with an empty bottle.
  • + 1
 Or a tyre lever, screwdriver, pliers...even a shoelace...which is why the bros all run flats
  • + 4
 I like that the topic of beer is of Paramount concern here.
  • + 3
 The bottle opener looks like it’s just waiting to tear someone’s Achilles
  • + 2
 Ever get your calves get eaten by poorly cut zip ties? Can't imagine how that shock and it's knobs are going to feel against open skin.
  • + 2
 "Not many bike frames offer a dedicated beer bottle opener."

Thats because you need to be drunk to buy and ride one.
  • + 1
 Looks like a Wal-Mart welder made this one in the break room. Look at Dean and Litespeed and Seven from the 90's - mid 2000's the welding was a work of art!
  • + 1
 Yeah, this thing isn't displaying too many "stacks of dimes" at the tube junctions. Not a contender for any sort of "weld porn" gallery.
  • + 1
 First, is it April 1st. Second, that shock is bound to hit something, sticking out there. Third and last, they don't give a price, you know you can't afford it.
  • + 3
 This frame still gives me the heebie jeebies.
  • + 2
 I gotta chime-in as an ex-owner of a Ti enduro frame. This thing looks like a death noodle.
  • + 1
 As the new owner of your afformentioned ti enduro frame(with essentially the exact same geometry as the caminade, btw,) there’s no way this thing rides nearly as nice. Zero.
  • + 1
 those welds suck! if i was going to showcase a metal frame, I would make sure to have pretty welds. is that an indication of the machining, which you can't see?
  • + 3
 Those are some of the worst Titanium welds I have ever seen
  • - 1
 Why is every single brand utterly obsessed with coming out with “LOOK AT ME, IM SOOOO DIFFERENT!!!) frame designs.

The mantra, of “what works best, our version” should usually prevail.. or maybe not, as the world would be a boring shitter.

It looks cool, bet it corners left better than right
  • + 1
 Trying to avoid 'looks like a session comments'? IDK Maybe PB comments are ruining bikes.
  • - 1
 So many frames today (especially carbon) look the same. Personally I think mountain biking needs more experimental design. Just brace yourself for the shitty comments, and then buy two. In 30 years it’ll be a collectors item.
  • + 1
 What's the weight of this frame? Is it lighter than the average carbon frames? Is it more stiff?
  • + 2
 If it had a shock on both sides of the seat tube I would totally buy one.
  • + 2
 That outer derailleur cable has been shredded
  • + 1
 Sweet looking bike... really like it. BUT, that bottle opener is a lawsuit waiting to happen...
  • + 1
 I invite the designer of this bike to come spend a weekend riding the shore in Vancouver.
  • + 2
 This bike has been getting a lot of coverage lately.
  • + 1
 That shock bolt worries me. Seems like it could snap/bend on a hard bottom out?
  • + 1
 Its beautiful, but ultimately impractical. With such a low main pivot its not going to pedal well.
  • + 1
 This is the fucking dumbest piece of structural work I've seen in a long time.
  • + 1
 Are there 2 bottom bracket sections on this bike?
  • + 1
 more than you can afford, pal
  • + 1
 Ahh, they should have gone with a 3D cad program.
  • + 1
 Don't like, or dislike. It has a lot of good features.
  • + 1
 Good grief, I almost couldn't tell what tires those were!
  • - 2
 Some of us loud obnoxious racers think they look cool.
  • + 1
 I am all for metal bikes over carbon etc. However I dont like this at all.
  • + 1
 I just switched to a carbon bike with carbon wheels. I have about 30 rides on it with no problems.
It feels solid and it is a great climber.
I smash it through the rocks sometimes with no issues. I ride it just like an aluminum bike.
Why do you hate carbon?
  • + 2
 @Bozeman10: Because its massively overrated and ridiculously over charged. You may be 30 rides in but i do not believe it will be as durable a high quality aluminium frame over time. People completely disagree with me on this subject but i will always stick to my guns. I would never ever buy carbon.
  • + 1
 the downtube has a belly button
  • + 1
 Who’s ever had their inner calf Pinched by a compressing coil?? Lol
  • + 0
 Yikes, this makes a xquarone look like a thing of beauty. I think I actually feel ill now
  • + 0
 single speed ready. no derailleurs, no tensioner.
  • + 0
 Super cool looking and I love the feel of ti but single pivot....
  • - 1
 it looks like they left the shock design till last....interesting and bike. I'd love to ride it
  • + 0
 Wow those welds look like ???? what a waste for material!!
  • + 0
 I would not consider buying this bike, btr bikes looks much more nicer;
  • + 0
 soooo frame cracks or bends the shaft on the shock?
  • + 1
 No dw link?
  • + 1
 The more I look at DW link the more I like it. Except for the chain stretching. I find it funny they go through all that trouble to have chain stretch.
  • + 1
 Lynskey did it better.
  • - 1
 David Blunkett or his dog did the welding.
  • - 2
 @watchtower @HardtailZero etc...: Well, big mouth: can you weld? Can you???
  • + 2
 Yes. And if I was posting my welds up I would be sure they where my best work. Haven't in a long time mind but it's not my means of income lol
  • + 2
 Yes.
  • - 3
 @HardtailZero: @watchtower: If you say it. I`d be curious to see... Welding titanium? Can you design and build a bike? So young and so pretentious Smile
  • + 1
 @Franzzz: young lol. Pull up your skirt Princess and jog on
  • - 1
 Lol these comments. I think it looks beautiful :O
  • - 1
 So it's a urt swinging of the bb??
  • + 0
 It's called a concentric BB. Not technically a URT, but it's damn close.
  • + 1
 With this frame you have the ability to switch from a shitty pedaling single pivot to a urt. I'll buy one but only if they can provide a full nos xtr m-950 build.
  • - 3
 How about putting another shock on the other side? You got two in the front, why not two in the rear?
  • + 2
 Uh, no you don't.
  • + 0
 @MtbSince84: aight, I stick with a hard tail then.
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