Bike Check: Jack Moir's Canyon Strive - EWS Pietra Ligure 2020

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Upduro (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:31)

So we got a 180mm fork instead of 170, a 15mm spacer UNDER the head tube, a pretty generous stack of spacers under the stem and high rise bars. That front end must higher than me on April 20th

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Muckal (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:58) (Below Threshold)

Because April 20th is your birthday or someone else's?

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sheplivingston (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:06)

That seat tube angle must be pretty slack too. Grim Donut wouldn’t approve!

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RadBartTaylor (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:21)

@Muckal: Mary Jane's

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tacklingdummy (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:45)

Higher stack height is more DH-ish and Enduro-Bro.

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alexhyland (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:37)

@Muckal: mate brilliant, most German comment ever in the best way.

harvinson (Sep 19, 2020 at 21:39)

4:20 @Muckal:

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headshot (Sep 19, 2020 at 22:07)

Jack is tall. I am also tall but not as tall as him. I would love to have an uncut steerer on my bike and maybe even a spacer to raise the bars. Bike manucaturers dont cater for tall people properly. My saddle to bar height difference is exteme thanks to a too short head tube and cut down steerer on my XL frame.

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Bob-Agg (Sep 19, 2020 at 22:10)

@harvinson: Muckal knows, I think you might need to look up famous Germans birthdays.

pistol2ne (Sep 19, 2020 at 22:47)

I'd like to challenge you in April, on the 20th, sir.

mitch32 (Sep 19, 2020 at 23:17)

@Muckal: 420...pleazeeee

alexhyland (Sep 20, 2020 at 2:31)

@Bob-Agg: he's working at very deep levels of humour there. I'm impressed.

Riwajc (Sep 20, 2020 at 3:19)

@Muckal: 420 brother 420

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Muckal (Sep 20, 2020 at 9:59)

@Riwajc: i got no idea what 420 is, other than the number after 419. Seems I'm too old for this stuff?

BenPea (Sep 20, 2020 at 10:00)

@alexhyland: how he knows my grandad's birthday is beyond me

Muckal (Sep 20, 2020 at 10:48)

@BenPea: no shit, i know 3 people in person and someone else who's birthday is on April 20th.

BenPea (Sep 20, 2020 at 10:51)

@Muckal: you're never too old for a 4:20 wake-up call

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Muckal (Sep 20, 2020 at 11:26)

@BenPea: alright, alright, I googled it...can we come back to Nazi birthdays now? Thanks.

BenPea (Sep 20, 2020 at 11:30)

@Muckal: you calling my grandad a Nazi?

BenPea (Sep 20, 2020 at 11:30)

@Muckal: he sold curtains in Bournemouth

Muckal (Sep 20, 2020 at 11:50)

@BenPea: no. Someone else.

Bob-Agg (Sep 20, 2020 at 13:08)

@BenPea: Were these curtains red with a big black & white circle/logo thing in the middle?

BenPea (Sep 20, 2020 at 13:26)

@Bob-Agg: dunno. I'll call my mum and get back to you. If I don't, it's bad news.

BamaBiscuits (Sep 20, 2020 at 13:59)

@headshot: pro taper has a 3” rise handlebar that I’ve been loving. Get that front end up without losing reach to spacers

headshot (Sep 20, 2020 at 23:07)

@BamaBiscuits: thanks I'll check it out.

alexhyland (Sep 21, 2020 at 6:11)

@BenPea: actual lol

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Christopop (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:25)

Mechanic: How high do you need the front end to be?
Jack: Yes

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won-sean-animal-chin (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:37)

Yaaaaaa

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rtclark (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:44)

Yeaaaaaah

RadBartTaylor (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:23)

High front ends like that feel like shit to me, I really struggle in the corners with them....but WTF do I know, I ain't racin' EWS, but most of the pros do seem to run a reasonably low setup...

Ryanfitz81 (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:45)

@RadBartTaylor: not sure if you've noticed but Jack has freakishly short arms

valleytroll (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:09)

@RadBartTaylor: I agree but wtf do we know!!
Also just don’t like Canyons I don’t even know why.

mtallman2 (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:21)

Strive owner here, this is a poor pedaling bike without the assistance of further slackening the already way too slack STA, I can’t imagine how big a turd it would be like this.

BenPea (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:41)

@RadBartTaylor: he's 6 and half feet tall, how about you?

RadBartTaylor (Sep 19, 2020 at 16:04)

@BenPea: 193 cm...

dwojo (Sep 19, 2020 at 18:10)

@Ryanfitz81: his mates always complaining he can't reach his wallet in his pockets?? Maybe something for WynTV to investigate.

SkullsRoad (Sep 19, 2020 at 22:24)

@RadBartTaylor: same here. I ran a Spank 50mm rise bar for a few months because it made pedaling so damn comfortable. Then I went back to a 35 rise bar and was instantly cornering harder. Wish I could have the best of both worlds.

taskmgr (Sep 19, 2020 at 23:25)

@won-sean-animal-chin: I like you lol

choppertank3e (Sep 21, 2020 at 3:03)

I like a high front end too but hate the look of spacers. That's why I have 3.5 Inch riser dirt jump bars. I can extend the width with lock on grips to 777mm which is enough for me.

kanioni (Sep 21, 2020 at 4:44)

@SkullsRoad: you obviously need 42,5mm ride bars

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stumpe90 (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:25)

90’s called and wants his seat angle back.

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Ryanfitz81 (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:47)

Your Mum called. She wants me back

craigyboy (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:03)

@Ryanfitz81: comment Gold!!!!

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IllestT (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:05)

@Ryanfitz81: if she calls again, can you ask her to send my CDs back?

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CSP (Sep 19, 2020 at 16:04)

I left me sunnies on her dresser, could one of you boys pick 'em up for me?

stumpe90 (Sep 20, 2020 at 1:32)

@Ryanfitz81: ouch

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Riwajc (Sep 20, 2020 at 3:21) (Below Threshold)

@Ryanfitz81: your dad called. He is the gay

Deanosuar (Sep 20, 2020 at 21:28)

@Ryanfitz81: was about to upvote but having it at +69 seemed apropos lol

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jrocksdh (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:07)

Cayon needs to join the steeper seat tubes party

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kanioni (Sep 19, 2020 at 19:02)

They're too busy building road bikes with oval bb shells

elmaar (Sep 21, 2020 at 0:02)

Someone putting spacers under the head tube certainly isn`t afraid of slack seat tubes.

betobi (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:53)

150/180 mm travel, Headset spacer, spacer and a riser bar. I think Jack just wants to make it feel as similar as possible to a DH bike. It worked for Zermatt for sure and I am super excited to see how this setup works over a season and more pedaly stages / races.

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JohSch (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:34)

Zermatt was pedaly af. I was there, racing

betobi (Sep 22, 2020 at 2:23)

@JohSch: well, so I have to rethink my theory :-) I was just guessing, wasn't there racing so thanks for putting that right. I might still say he wants to make the bike feel as much as a DH bike possible ?

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bigun6767 (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:27)

Where can I get that headset spacer from? Been looking for ages for one.

dtheio (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:57)

Reverse Components makes a 10mm, Production Privee a 18mm

cypher74 (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:53)

All the people commenting on the bike set up. How many are 6’4”?

justinbeck (Sep 19, 2020 at 16:18)

I'm 6'3 and ride a size L trail bike. Feels great.

Afterschoolsports (Sep 20, 2020 at 3:29)

Me (+1"). I would prefer a XL but would be totally comfortable on that rig for racing if I had pro level fitness.

IluvRIDING (Sep 20, 2020 at 0:01)

Could anybody enlighten me about this under headset spacer? All frames and forks I have came across strictly forbade them. So how is this that he is running one? And does it turn? Or does it press into the frame and have the bottom bearing under it? Is it glued in? THX

cuban-b (Sep 21, 2020 at 16:50)

it's just a bottom headset cup that's a solid 15mm thick alu piece all the way to the bearing. a few brands make them including fsa of course

Afterschoolsports (Sep 20, 2020 at 3:32)

I hope Jack shreds it hard in ews. It's a shame what happened with his wc dh career, I hope he really shows the dh teams what they're missing out on.

sammyhedlund (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:21)

Strange that Jack, at 6'4", opted for a size L over an XL. Will be interesting to see how his enduro campaign gets on after a hot start!

boozed (Sep 20, 2020 at 3:10)

I'm guessing it's the combination of slack STA and his long legs

Aesthethica (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:26)

Always have wondered how tall he actually is given his stratospheric front ends...seen articles list him everywhere from 6' to 6'4" hah

Ttimer (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:26)

But he is on a size L frame, which suggests he isn’t super tall.

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Linc (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:41)

@Ttimer: suggests that like most enduro pros, he rides a small bike. Big bikes are a dentist trend.

herzalot (Sep 19, 2020 at 16:17)

Last time I stood next to him, he was my height - 6'4". Troy Lee parking lot party in Laguna, back in the day when we could have social gatherings. Intense Factory riders pre-Gwin.

howie286 (Sep 19, 2020 at 22:18)

@herzalot:

He’s taller now

philthyphill (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:27)

Am I mistaken or does that look like a mullet?
Why is there no mention of this?

mikekazimer Mod (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:38)

It's not a mullet - that's a 29 x 2.4" tire on the back.

Caddz (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)

@mikekazimer: looks kinda Mullety to me.

mikekazimer Mod (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:43)

@Caddz, it's just the angle the photo was taken at.

philthyphill (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:45)

@mikekazimer: makes sense! Thanks Mike

ceecee (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:20)

@Caddz: it's a shapeshifting micromullet with enhanced A-C

Clem-mk (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:27)

Would make sense to lower the BB. Big fork and spacer doesn't only affect badly the STA.

patryka (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:44)

Jack seems to be very tall. And bike size L only, not XL?
It is funny how pro racers like to be conservative.

philthyphill (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:54)

He’s always been on a short bike for his size. He probably prefers flickability in a bike instead of stability and that seems to be working for him.

professed (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:43)

@isuckatridingbutmybikeiscool:
Thank you. This is spot on.

Jack is a tall and lanky dude at well over 6’ but his skills don’t need a super long Enduro Bro bike to get him down the hills at podium level speeds.

Glory831Guy (Sep 20, 2020 at 1:05)

Seat tube angle is pretty slack. He might be too stretched out on the XL with the seat raised up for pedaling.

dirtyburger (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:48)

So many comment nerds. Yeah nah Moir!!!!! Tear it up next season mate!

pugafi (Sep 20, 2020 at 19:03)

Do i see a mullet? If so, that justifies that turd of hockey puck he put under the frame to get that bb back to where it belongs..

Mondbiker (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:59)

Wheelie machine

Doby (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:30)

@eugenux back in your hole troll...

TahoeEbikes (Sep 21, 2020 at 13:42)

Hes gonna win an EWS soon for sure. He is visibly faster and smoother than 95% of the field

Tigergoosebumps (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:17)

Why isn’t he on an xl frame?

Linc (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:43)

Because most pros ride small bikes

catweasel (Sep 21, 2020 at 1:17)

@Linc: Meanwhile 5'10 Aaron Gwin experiments with riding an XL and Greg Minaar who is close to Jacks height rides the biggest bike Santa Cruz make, then gets custom parts to make it bigger. Pro's like Joe's have different styles and preferences, different strokes for different folks.

Linc (Sep 21, 2020 at 5:25)

@catweasel: It’s almost as if downhill courses are different to enduro

catweasel (Sep 21, 2020 at 10:06)

@Linc: ah didn't realize we were only taking enduro pros.. So what your saying is the relative size of the bike is somewhat dependant on the style of the tracks? EWS slower, tighter DH faster, more open

curbwzrd (Sep 19, 2020 at 17:11)

between all the spacers and longer a-c fork, the reach (on already a small bike) have been reduced by around 20mm. yikes.

bproelofs (Sep 20, 2020 at 10:48)

Rockshox introduces their new 250 mm seatpost for the Shark Attack.

Drewbreezy (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:32)

I like it

karoliusz (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:37)

Yeaaahh!

BenTheSwabian (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:57)

So in the climb setting, it's 135mm of super firm suspension in the rear, paired to a 180mm fork. That must feel weird as hell...

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kanioni (Sep 19, 2020 at 19:07)

I don't know, how weird does it feel to climb with a hardtail?

Doby (Sep 20, 2020 at 22:32)

Well it was fast!

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just6979 (Sep 19, 2020 at 16:50)

Bike is so silly long he runs massive lower spacer to bring the reach down... Silly

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eugenux (Sep 19, 2020 at 11:56)

Such a garbage that Strive. Born outdated with such a bad design that a racer must use a 180mm zeb(596 ATC) instead of the 170mm Lyrik(ATC 581) and a spacer of 15mm in order to be fairly competitive; that's 30mm more than the original spec Strive. Imagine that...30mm higher. If that does not say bad design, nothing else says it!

Basically, from the 65.5 HA with the 170mm Lyrik, it goes to 64, which is normal for trail-enduro style bikes. The funny thing is, there are ppl who still buy the Strive...with actual money

)))))))))

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HVrider (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:03)

Yeah nah

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Osirian (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:16)

A professional racer doing some crazy things to his enduro bike trying to make it feel more like a DH bike means the bike is garbage? Interesting...

I guess we need to call the R&D team at Canyon and let them know some random dude on PinkBike knows how to design bikes better than them! They’re gonna be pissed when they find out that all their collective knowledge and fancy equipment is basically trash... Let us know when your first day at Canyon is, bud!

Ryanfitz81 (Sep 19, 2020 at 12:50)

Eugenex vs the advice of Fabien Barel.

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eugenux (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:20) (Below Threshold)

@Ryanfitz81:

Paid athlete by a brand vs common sense. I thought ppl were smarter on this website.

@Osirian, dude, if you think a short(1230 wb for size large) bike with a 66 HA(73.5 STA) when paired with a 160mm fork is good for enduro/dh...you know exactly shite about bikes or you live in the past(or both). My trail bike is at 65 HA and that has 140mm fork...and it also the same WB although it is a size smaller.

Like I have said...the poor Moir is just trying to make his piece of shite bike more competitive and faster while you non-mtbers just drink the canyon koolaid. No wander ppl are callin' USA dumbf*ckistan if, even with clear numbers, you cannot see and accept the truth/clear evidence.

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Ryanfitz81 (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:23) (Below Threshold)

@eugenux: go lick a dick

Mondbiker (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:36)

@eugenux: "Paid athlete by a brand vs common sense. I thought ppl were smarter on this website." Really? You must be new here.

GZMS (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:37)

@eugenux: why the french dude did not need any of that and still got second for the whole season?

Ryanfitz81 (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:40)

Yeah Eugenex! Answer that ya big dummy!

Mondbiker (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:43)

@GZMS: he was running 180mm lyrik and the same headtube spacer eh? You know ZEB wasn´t used even by factory riders for most of the last season right? This bike was dated from the get go, that is simple fact.

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eugenux (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:52) (Below Threshold)

@GZMS:

Please check his racing bike before writing/stating wrong facts as the truth; more travel for the frame, 155mm, 180mm fork, spacer beneath the lower cup and so on.

Also..he wouldn't have been on 2nd if the 2019 season would not have been so 'eventful'.

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eugenux (Sep 19, 2020 at 13:54) (Below Threshold)

@Ryanfitz81:

Go buy a real bike...or, alternatively, buy a electric..you look like the type.

Osirian (Sep 19, 2020 at 14:58)

@eugenux: Pobrecito... I apologize for angering the chairman of the Comity of Real Mountain Bikers Only. I was unaware that I had to write a thesis on bike geometry and the effects of short/long shocking a bike to be considered a Real Mountain Biker(TM).

And you come out the gates with an insult based on a flag? Really?? Hahahaha you are just as bad as, nay, worse than, the people you're attempting to deride.

You really are a massive shining example of the kind of toxic person the biking community as a whole does not need.

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eugenux (Sep 19, 2020 at 15:37) (Below Threshold)

@Osirian:

I was just going about my "business", stating the obvious...you know, the Strive being a massive fail from a geo pov, then suddenly the US caballeros start throwing arrogant states(but, in fact, so very wrong and so very out of connection with the truth) and when reply...I am the toxic person to community.

You pansy, you can't even assume what you did or said and you are calling me toxic.

Again....'pobrecito'....and I am the one who's toxic?

You know what, it is not my fault you brought a shite bike...it is not my fault that you did not check the geo, the kinematics, etc-etc. As per the obvious facts, it is a bad bike. Their own damn riders are modifying in order to not be that awful. The problem is, you and every other canyon bike buyer simply cannot admit how obsolete the Strive's geo is.

You made a choice when you brouht your bike..assume it, keep your bike or change it, does not matter but just assume what you did. After that, all will be easier.

Osirian (Sep 19, 2020 at 16:11)

@eugenux:
"you know exactly shite about bikes"
" while you non-mtbers just drink the canyon koolaid."
"No wander ppl are callin' USA dumbf*ckistan"
"buy a electric..you look like the type."
"You pansy"
"it is not my fault you brought a shite bike"

That is toxic. You typed all of that. Biking is meant to be an inclusive sport, not a venue for Real Mountain Bikers (TM pending) to stroke their enormous egos. So, yes, I am calling you how I see you: toxic. You had a meltdown as soon as someone disagreed with you. So, yes, "pobrecito" is perfectly fitting for you.

Also, what is this about me owning a Strive? Did you just assume I bought a Strive and now I'm taking to PB to defend it?? The kool-aide over there in Romania must be a different flavor, because you sound reeeaaally silly throwing baseless (and 100% incorrect) assumptions around lmao.

One last note: I never said the Strive was good. At any point. Like, at all.

Go for a ride and get some fresh air. As you say: "After that, all will be easier." You're better than this.