Bike Check: Josh Bryceland's Cannondale Jekyll

 Yeah, 30/40PSI are bloody high

 40 psi in my minions -

 Only EXO casing in the front?

 So I’ve actually done some heavy mental energy on this fact. With inserts, you’re basically reducing the air volume of your tire, and if you think about what that means, you actually should be running higher pressures to maintain support and confirm ability. For some reason people think that putting an insert in means you can run low pressures, but the physics don’t work that way. It’s the same reason you run higher pressures the smaller a road tire is. 45psi will work fine in a 40c tire, but try running that in a 23c and you’ll be riding the rim.

 @adamszymkowicz: I've been down the same rabbit hole recently and I'm right there with you.

 @adamszymkowicz: didn't take out the sketch pencil yet, but I think you are being mislead by one false assumption : "less air = less internal surface".
Insert doesn't diminish the area of the tire+rim "round" cross section, so there is still as much square inches where as much lbs are applied, as without and insert.

 @adamszymkowicz: Think of an insert in a tire as a token in an air spring. More tokens let’s you run lower pressure without bottoming. The insert also acts as a rebound dampener because it returns to its shape slowly.

 i like it..... I run 36 rear and 40 front and hate punctures

 @korev: for single ply I get it, though 40 out back is quite a lot

 I think it's strongly related to a fear from the pressure police

 Don't forget that this was also for 'Ard Rock, where there are big fast hits into pointy edged rocks. More pressure than normal is needed to keep air in the rubber and rubber on the rim.

 @adamszymkowicz: you can run exact same pressure with insert or lower due to fact tire is stiffer. Insert is just replacing air volume, reason why roadie tyres needs lower presures is they cannot deform so much as there is no space for it.

 @stpan: 23c run from 7 to 9 bar depending on rider weight. How the hell did you come up with lower pressures? You got it completely the other way round

 @adespotoskyli: that only applies if the container is impermeable and inflexible. Foam is flexible and semi permeable

Also, one of the main points of the relatively heavy foam is so that you can run a lower pressure without fear of losing the bead or destroying rim.

 @nickfranko: impermeable/inflexible or not the law still applies to the degree of the final volume of the foam, and if cushcore is impermeable at riding pressures it defeats the purpose don't you think? The benefits of cushcore/inserts it's irrelevant to the equation though. The law still applies

 @nickfranko: *isn't

 @stpan: You have it backwards. Also, the insert doesn’t stiffen the sidewall as it only extends upwards a little ways and there is still some room for air depending on tire size.

 @nickfranko: have you ever felt a cushcore liner? Do you really think that the air pressure inside your tire is collapsing that? If so, how would it actually work?

 @paulwatt: that’s actually not what tokens do. Tokens reduce air volume, which makes your air spring more progressive through its entire stroke, not at bottom out. A lot of riders come through the shop asking how many tokens they should have in their fork, and for most people in the 160-200lb range my answer is one at most. Lighter riders can get away with more, or riders who are tuning a suspension for a specific application (racers) but most of us shouldn’t run any spacers to get the best performance out of our suspension.

 @paulwatt: as for the rebound damper thing, the insert only deforms when it hits something, but the tire returns to shape unsprung.

 !!!Engineer Geek Out Warning!!!

Two separate things going on here. The tire not only supports the rim, but also acts like a spring between the ground and the rim (think feel).

The support part is defined by Boyle's Law PV=k (a constant)
P/V (without insert) = P/V (with insert)
so if the insert reduces the volume the pressure would need to be reduced to get the same physical pressure system.

The "feel" part is governed by spring constant or Hooke's Law F= -kx
In this case, k represents the characteristic of the spring or tire "feel" in this case.
x is the available travel distance between the tire and rim
The force (F) = PA (pressure x area) The area is the rim surface, which is constant.
So the feel (k) = P/x (assuming A is constant)
This means you would have to increase the pressure to get the same feel with the insert, which is reducing the x.

So depending on all the actual parameters, the pressure with the insert could be higher than the original pressure. if you are trying to match feel.

Guessing that Josh was smashing trails and winning world cups rather than studying physics, he put inserts in to keep from getting flats and kept raising his tire pressure until it "felt" like his setup without inserts.

Cheers!

 im in the low 30's. stops the bike feeling like the hand brake is on.

 Geez - I run around 25-27 PSI front and rear with cushcore. Traction for days!

 @marmoset: thanks for providing the science proving my hypothesis

 @adamszymkowicz: yes, sorry for typo, roadies needs higher pressures ...

 @marmoset, @adamszymkowicz, @alanbonk;

The equations aren't wrong, but the model does not represent the physical situation. The model presented above assumes a tire and insert system allows the tire to compress only to the insert, not the rim. The actual situation is that the tire still compresses to the rim (or a millimeter or two short of the rim, though often fully to the rim, as many inserts split during a maximum compression event). The best model is probably that either situation - insert or none - produces a deflection that stops several millimeters short of the rim. You don't want to be bouncing off your rim or testing the yield strength of the insert on the set of typical impacts that comprise what we're describing as the "feel".

Thus, x (distance) is not reduced and the insert adds a secondary spring.

If the tire without insert is:

F = k(tire₁)x(tire)

The tire with insert would be:

F = k(tire₂)x(tire) + k(insert)x(insert)

Since F is approximately constant (assuming the limiting factor for pressure is preventing rim strikes):

k(tire₁)x(tire) = k(tire₂)x(tire) + k(insert)x(insert)

k(tire₂) = k(tire₁) - ( k(insert) × (x(insert) ÷ x(tire)))

Therefore, k(tire₂) is lower to produce the same rim strike force and will feel softer at all points in the travel.

We could equate the total energy, rather than maximum force, and get a different equation, but the conclusion is similar.

 @marmoset: lots of assumptions here which are not realistic enough.
@R-M-R pointed out one of them, with "x" not being reduced by the insert.

My main gripe about the physics that are mentioned, is F=-kx : which only applies to a mono-directional spring like a tube in a tube cf shock/fork.

A tire is not rigid like fork lowers, air pressure pushes in all directions including sides. I don't know how that tension is called, but imagine the tire's contact patch as a trampoline, hard to deform because stretched in all directions in a 2D plane.

This is why a 23c road tire at 30psi doesn't feel like a 2.5" mtb tire, even in the first 1cm of deformation, cf aforementioned "X".

This is also why rims have pressures limits linked to tire size (big tire, no 50psi allowed).

 And yes, inserts do also act as tokens AND as bottom out bumpers

 @adamszymkowicz: have never ridden inserts but I fully support your hypothesis... It seems pretty logical but after digging a little at Boyles principles pressure is pressure and only changes with a change in volume, temp or atmospheric conditions. I think there's a correlation between volume and pressure that affects the feel of the tire combined with the properties of the tire/casing. Then add an insert to the equation...I think I just convinced and unconvinced myself in one post. Can we get some professionals on this ASAP please! Thx

 @adamszymkowicz: I've thought about this too, dependant on the construction and material of the insert the internal pressure of the tyre will cause it to shrink also

 @MikeGruhler: the change is in volume, as the insert takes up space inside the tire.

 @darkstar66: my hypothesis as around cushcore, which is too dense to be compressed by the amount of pressure inside a tire. In fact, I would guess that none of the inserts are going to be compressed by 20-40psi.

 @adamszymkowicz: Yeah ture true, formula supply fork foam inserts to replace solid volume spacers the theory suggests a more linear ramp up dude to the volume shrinkage of foam, albeit at 70 plus psi I guess!

 He has a very active and aggressive riding style. If you would corner like him with 20ish psi you‘d probably rip the tyre off the rim…

 @Indica88: you won’t find any of the pointy end of dh racing above 30 psi lol

I guess they aren’t active enough

 @nvranka: plenty of the pointy end running 30-32 on the rear. Maybe not most but I've definitely heard more then one mention those pressures.

 @adamszymkowicz: OMG this is more interesting than the actual article. So running low 20s with an insert is actually like running mid-teens without?

 @chakaping: Effectively, minus the rim strike protection of course. Without an insert I usually ran 20-22 psi for trail riding (East Coast). With xc cushcore I find myself needing to run 25-27 to get the same feel and not roll my tires under hard cornering.

 @nvranka: You will absolutely find a ton of pros running over 30. Regularly hear about guys running 32-35 on certain tracks.

 @adamszymkowicz: exactly, not much of a comparison but my go to when racing DH without inserts was 28Frt 30Rr. If it got thick mud and sticky go up to 30Frt 32Rr to cut through the mud and get the lugs into the softened bottom. In dryer or harder conditions I would run 27Frt 29Rr. I weighed 155 in full race trim and my 05' DHR clocked in at 45lbs. All East Coast and mostly Snowshoe 3 times a year for 5 years. Different tire construction definitely changes how it handles different pressures.(I ran 2ply 3C DHR's or HigRollers) I felt plenty of low psi setups that felt nearly identical to my higher psi settings. It's a really interesting topic.

 @MikeGruhler: “If it got thick mud and sticky go up to 30Frt 32Rr to cut through the mud and get the lugs into the softened bottom” that’s an interesting one as, conversely, running lower pressures increases tyre movement of the casing that helps clear mud. That’s why CX racers run as low as they can get away with

 @mashrv1: as a long time (longtime ago) cx racer, the pro move for mud races was to downsize from a 33 to a 31c mud spike and go from 40 up to 47 psi. The cut through method works much better than the float on top approach.

 @marmoset: Frankly, you are misapplying these equations. Let me explain:

Starting with Boyle's Law, PV = k, k is a constant, but not the same constant. When you bring in the more robust Ideal gas Law, PV = nRT, you will notice that n, the number of the moles of air in this case, would be different for a insert tire and one without because there is less volume. Boyle's law is used to calculate and estimated pressure for a change in volume- assuming isothermic, ideal gas conditions (probably close enough in this case). If you picture the volume of an entire bike tire- and how much it changes when you compress it to a rim, its not a large change in volume at all, so the change is pressure is similarly small (going to conveniently ignore the tire's volume expanding with pressure here). With an insert, it is a larger proportional volume change, so the pressure change will be higher (more progressive), although again it probably isn't that different.

Hooke's law is simply an empirical law for linear springs, I'm not sure it's applicable here. The force a tire exerts on the ground (spring force, I suppose) is a function of the pressure (assumed to be calculated by Boyle's law above as the volume reduces) times the contact area of the tire touching the ground, which will be some non-linear function of tire width, tire diameter, and how deformed it is (on its way to hitting the rim). Plus you must add in casing stiffness. We could maybe try to linearize this and apply Hooke's law here, but then you feel the spring constant, "k", not the "x". "x" is the independent variable. So "k" is dependent on pressure and contact area. With or without an insert- the contact area for a given deformation is nearly identical and the pressure is probably quite close too- so *key point* until you deform the tire enough to hit the insert- the feel should be very similar for the same pressure with or without an insert.

So to explain the difference in feel- until you hit the insert, it should feel similar, with the exception of tire roll, which is its own topic altogether. Once you hit the insert, the spring force is more governed by the insert's behavior under compression. Since this will be completely different than the air-only tire, both in force and also damping, comparing the two in the second half of tire compression is harder. The reason people run lower pressures with inserts is, in my opinion, more because they can get away with it without destroying rims than matching feel.

TL;DR Engineering argument, I don't think the justifications of some people's arguments here hold water. Feel at the same pressure is roughly the same until you hit the insert, then feel changes dramatically.

 @mashrv1: I didn't say it was a go to for everyone but from my experience at the locations I raced its the tire pressure setups I ran. I personally can't stand under 28psi, to vague feeling below that but sometimes I gotta do it. My point I guess is to experiment in both an increase in pressure and decreases in pressure. Everything is give and take, it's all about what you're looking for at the end of the day.

 @heatedrotor. Same height. Riding a medium would be a knee smashing handle bar experience. I’ll stick to my nice and comfy XL.

 He is not xl with a hight of 188cm and the medium Jekill has a 450 reach (which was an xl v10cc back in 2015)… he is riding what he is used to and his jibbing style definitely fits best with a shorter bike. No reason to be polemic in the post section.

 @Styleroyal: comparing average joe bike riding and sizing to josh bryceland lol

 Yes, downsizing the frame but running 29 wheels is interesting. I thought only 27.5 were allowed on fun bikes.

 @sailor74: you mean like in 2014?

 @Styleroyal: I’d argue most people that are 6’2” or 188cm consider themselves a XL in today’s sizing game.

 Medium is a reference, not an exact number. Medium implies it should be a good fit for the average sized customer and you usually have two sizes to choose from depending on your preference (to choose for agility or stability). Josh may be slightly lanky but considering it is common practice to ignore the existence of customers outside Europe and North America he may still be only slightly above average. I'm six foot tall and am happy with my 46cm reach and 62cm stack. He is taller, has less reach but more stack, a longer stem and higher rise bars. It isn't cramped at all.

I recall a few years ago people were complaining about how bikes would only grow slightly per model year instead of companies just jumping straight to the "correct" geometry. I think they have arrived now. There is good bike geometry for nearly everyone now.

 As a 6'2" rider that rides a 510mm reach bike and is NOT a jibby rider, I can honestly say that I have never been more comfortable on bike that finally fits me. It is the the availability of properly sized bikes for taller or shorter riders, that is the difference. I actually have the 2013 Syndicate V10 frame in XL and love riding it, it has a 50mm stem and longish, for a DH bike seat tube. When I put it and my new enduro bike next to each other, the seat to bar length is almost identical. The reach is where it different, when I stand up on the DH bike and get aggressive, my head is way out in front of my hub in the front tire. I finally have the option for a bike that I get to have the same feeling of being "in" the bike instead of on top that all the reviews tell me is a good thing. One or two highly skilled outliers is not a basis for saying that all the rest of us are wrong about it. If you prefer a shorter reach, there is probably a company making a bike with the perfect dimensions for you. The cool thing is, now there are options for us taller riders as well.

 I guess I'm an XL rider (6'5", 195cm), it's silly having an argument about whether something "fits". My bike of 10 years ago had a reach of 419mm, I'm now riding one with 528mm reach. Arguably they both fitted me and I was never complaining that the shorter one didn't fit me. Having ridden both, I do prefer the longer one but I could still ride a shorter bike with no issues. BMX's don't have much room to size up or down but you'll still see children up to fully grown adults riding them.

 Skilled rider + short torso relative to legs = short bike. If those things don’t apply to you, get a longer bike.

 @rockyflowtbay: I resemble that comment.

 @DC1988: in today's world of perfectly fitting bikes it's easy to get too hung up on numbers. The human body is good at adapting, especially with small changes like a 10 or 20mm reach difference.

 Size medium is 450mm reach which is the same as my hardtail that I ride most of the time and I’m 6ft 3. It’s not cramped at all and it’s still massive compared to bikes we were riding ten years ago.

 @thenotoriousmic:
Slack seat tube angle compensates for a shorter reach.

 @Aeyogi: Reach and stack are the relevant geometry numbers for riding standing up (or RAD and RAAD for those who work with bb centric polar coordinates like Lee McCormack does), horizontal top tube length is relevant for seated pedaling. Use the number system that works best for your style of riding, but I'd argue that for competing in enduro races (where the descends are timed and the uphills are not) and for "jibbing", the standing geometry matters most. If you need a certain reach for your standing riding then that's what you need and a slack seat tube angle won't compensate.

 @sailor74: maybe use the Google before saying he's not a champ

 @Linc: yes I think this is lost in a lot of these silly sizing arguments. Height is a very crude measure of bike fit. Inseam, torso length, ape index, humans come out all sorts of different ways. I'm 6'2" with a +4 ape and fit on a bike very differently than someone the same height that's all legs.

And ultimately just preference. I own a ~1200mm bike with a ~450mm reach as well as a ~1280mm bike with a ~500mm reach. Neither is "wrong." I very clearly feel more comfortable in very fast or very steep stuff on the longer bike, but I love the shorter bike too. They excel in different situations but even a 50mm delta in reach (people seem to agonize over 10-20mm) isn't going to make a bike unrideable or anything near it. Just different.

 @toad321: This. Maybe a handful of other riders in the world with his skillset on a bike.

 @Styleroyal: iirc he was known for riding a medium V10 when he was winning WCs (and last win on 26" too), so well small by today's standards.

 @vinay: @vinay: no bikes are too big these days im waiting for shorter higher steeper

 well, didnt expect my post to blow up, im 6ft and always ride larges with reaches from 474-490. Some brands are bigger and some are not, thats just how i determine how big the bike will feel then it gives me a chance to compare bikes better as its what they recommend for my height.

Obviously some people will object but IMO i find the shorter ones, in the 475 range to be in the range of "more fun" i can move my weight where ever i want, where as when i rode bikes like the commencal meta It took alot more effort to force it to do what i wanted as there less leverage in your weight movements.
I've been lucky enough to own alot of bikes (usally through buying frame sets) so i've been able to ride them in the same locations.

For a large, Ive found 475-480 work the best for me everywhere from my local pedal ups to the bike park - i ride my bike for fun and have no interest in going warp speed in a wide open area(i just dont find that fun)
Most of those bikes like the altitude and Sentinel can handle a 240 dropper which is a huge plus.

 I think 6'2" places someone squarely in the large for most frames. As someone who is also 6'2", I can confirm that I am typically a Large (reaches between 478-490mm are ideal). That said, I feel comfortable downsizing a bit and perhaps Josh simply prefers the snappier handling of a smaller frame.

 @HeatedRotor: most people are the same. My bikes are between 450mm and 480mm. Look at most pro enduro / downhill racers and they’re all on supposedly small bikes for their size. The super long bikes are great for beginners because they slow everything down and make everything safe but once you get better most riders want something more responsive and something you can move you weight around on that isn’t such a pig to manhandle down trails. I don’t think there’s anything controversial with what your saying anymore. At this point we can safely say the super long massive bikes didn’t take off and I don’t think we’ll be seeing much more of them in the future and if you’re 6ft 5+ you can finally get a bike that fits you.

 @thenotoriousmic: … but the absolute state of PB commenters with 500mm+, $10k builds when you mention that bike length inversely correlates with skill level. Ha.

 @Styleroyal: Cannondale says 6’2” is square in the middle of XL size recommendation on website

 @rockyflowtbay: I'm 188cm and definitely getting pushed more and more into L rather than XL territory. My current bike is 505 reach and I think I'll be picking up a +/- 5mm headset to bring it back to 500. I rode a 495 reach bike the other day and it was quite enjoyable!

 Go ahead and teach us once you've recovered.

 He isn’t you though, unless you are hiding a World Cup overall somewhere in the drawer?

 @justanotherusername: I just wrote "world cup" on my overall in the drawer, is that sufficient?

 @bashhard: yea why not ;-)

 The logos aren't aligned on both sides of my new tire so the valve can only go exactly in the middle of one ;-(

Surely this merits a refund amirite?

 @jdejace: Haha, just went through this yesterday with a Specialized tire. My eye is still twitching

 And he's riding an Exo casing on the front. I don't know how he manages to survive...

 Don't foreget the Vans Sk8 hi...

 @korev: as someone who's flatted a new EXO+ front tire with a rose bush thorn, riding around my yard, I envy you people that can keep air in those things on real trails.

 @gravitybass: I rode Lenzerheide's Ticket2ride black with Exo tyres yesterday and I was surprised to have not punctured...

Hopefully supply chains will sort themselves out soon and we can buy DD and DH casings again...

 @gravitybass: are you running tubes?! That's impressive

 Gotta let the need grow to breaking point to drive demand, before then launching like it’s the best idea ever

 Boxxer red lyriks are the best looking single crown fork out there hands down

 @Sambikes11: hard to disagree

 I don’t want a red or orange fork. Give me the good fork in black.

 I thought flagship SID was blue, isn't it? As for orange Fox forks, I thought the athletes just ride those like that as the whole point is to showcase them. You don't need that on a fork that's being sold to a consumer. In other discussions I've seen people complain about the looks of orange forks on competitors bikes. I think it would be risky to have a fork like that on your showroom floor and chances are you'll never sell it.

 I agree on companies going with a known color for that brand. Me I’m all in on the DVO green lowers. Ugly in a good way.

 I still think “factory” lowers should be reserved for factory riders.

 Also I want a shock in Pike silver

 I actually think the gray Zebs are just beyond dope but I’ve always been more of an understated design language type of guy

 @rockyflowtbay: exactly. Thank you Fox for putting all the top end internals in the Performance Elite. At a discount even!

I see gold on bikes and think of rappers' grillz.

 @jdejace: that’s what I bought. Performance elite 38.

 Haha, and THAT'S the reason I check the comments. My man.

 Actually how a lot in UK measure them. I only know my height in feet and weight in kg

 Height is one of the few things we still routinely seem to measure in imperial in the UK

 Canada's similar, all mixed up. And changes depending on age of person talking to lol

 @DC1988: What? You don't weigh yourself in stones anymore?

 ^^^THIS!
Would read the sh*t out of an article analysing this question - which CS length is the one the frame designer compromises least with, or at least the tradeoffs made in the design and the corresponding ride feel, balance etc!

 THANK YOU. Great observation. This is what led me to create Size-Specific Kinematics (I design bikes).

Bike design has converged in many ways, with geometry and kinematics starting to cluster around some popular values in the middle of the bell curve (there are, of course, still some wonderful and some abysmal outliers). Bikes may have different suspension designs - SS (short & short links, such as dw, Maestro, etc.) vs. LS (long & short, such as Horst) - yet may feel nearly identical due to nearly identical kinematics and shock tunes.

Sizing, however, throws all this out the window. The difference in kinematics between sizes for a given model is often greater than the difference in kinematics between models. Bike X and Bike Y in the same size are likely to feel more similar than Bike X size Small vs. Bike X size Large - not to mention the problems of using the same shock tune for riders who are putting dramatically different amounts of force into the chassis.

We all know the geometry of a bike has to change to suit different rider dimensions, but other parameters aren't as visually obvious. Kinematics, shock tune, frame stiffness, etc. also need to change to suit the rider.

 + flats and vans

 Maybe he hates slowing down...

 Place holder while he waits for some trick stuff to arrive?

 Pretty sure there’s a code rsc lever on the riders left and a code r on the right

 @B-foster: Ah, that is a sharp observation.

First thing I thought too, no way he's racing...or riding at all with Code R's.

 @korev: Greg noticed.

 Depends a lot of bar roll and sweep as well, but as the stem rises, the bars move back towards the rider too depending on head angle. A higher rise bar with a lower stem can keep the bars further forwards. However assuming a vertical rise in the bar the higher rise bar ends up further from the steering axis. For, for example, a 35mm stem and 50mm bar could end up in a similar place to a 35mm bar on a 40mm stem with spacers underneath. In your case you could drop some spacers, get a higher rise bars and keep the same effective rise but move your weight forward a bit, should you want. I'm not doing the sums although I have tried to draw it in CAD before! My higher rise bars have me a longer 'effective stem length' over just adding spacers. Probably very badly explained - answer is it's complicated and stem, spacers, bar rise, sweep and roll are all a system.

 Spacers under the stem can effectively reduce your reach number, the slacker the head angle the more reach you loose per stem spacers added

 @diggery: sorry submitted mine then refreshed and yours came up, yours is better

 In theory the higher your stem, the shorter your overall reach will be. With low stack / high bars the reach won’t be as effected as the bars can be rolled forwards or backwards to compensate. At least that’s how I understand it

 /\Nice. Very noticeable in real life experimentation too

 @diggery: thanks for this response. Head angle is what I was failing to factor in. I currently have 30mm bars. Maybe some 40mm rise bars and a few less spacers would fit me better. Bike fits great but I occasionally bang a knee on tight technical climbs.

 What did he say that you don't like being said?

 @IntoTheEverflow: he doesn‘t want to get the jab. Some people can‘t accept that apparently

 yeah, what an idiot to not want to get a vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the virus, which by the way is 99.3% survivable...the sheer logic of that crazy guy....

 As a 32 year old very fit guy riding bikes for a living getting cov is probably not the biggest risk he is taking.

 I’m sure he’s more likely to die from riding his bike than getting covid tbh

 Interests are garbage gimmicks

 @IntoTheEverflow: media has us assessing everyone’s worth by a shot

 @SpeedyWolfi69: it's not about not wanting to get the vaccine but about the conspiracies about vaccines and covid he shared

 @preach: That's 6.5 million people dead. Everyone on here knows someone whose died from it. Even the village idiot should know it's time to stop preaching.

 @optimumnotmaximum: more worried about people being on government assistance for decades because their lungs are trash and they can’t work.

 @DirkMcClerkin: yeah
Tell that to our bungling president who’s been quadruple vaxxed and still got it. Bryceland is exactly the demographic that has zero to worry about. Let the dude live his life.

 @bashhard: he did ? Should have known, he is basically a hippie and my sisters is also a hippie, she and all her hippiefriends are at the forefront of antivaxx movement ( spreading wild speculations etc.)

 @somebody-else: my father was a very conservative doctor and my sister is a hippie, so i get the full spectrum. My fathers prediction that we are going to have a whole society on support if we dont close all borders and vaxx every 2 months has not come true as of yet.

 @DirkMcClerkin: why do you say "village idiot" to someone @preach who is giving statistics in terms of percentage of population, vs you who is giving a shear number? I think percentage of population is a much more logical way to make sense of it all IMO, and bad mouthing each other is the root of making us all divided against each other which is absolutely not a good thing.

 @loam33:
Fair enough.

Though I'd still say spreading willful ignorance like saying Bungling Biden got the shots purely to prevent it, rather lessen his chance of dying, therefore the shots are ineffective so why bother is absolutely still harmful and should be responded to, politely or not.

 For the record Ratboy's a hero always and doing fine by all of us. We'd certainly never seen him online name calling U.S. politicians or regurgitating talking points from Fox News.

 @DirkMcClerkin: he’s just another Treasonous Trumper.

 @adamszymkowicz: it's ok...@DirkMcClerkin and the others can't hear me over the vastly substantiated truths of MSNBC, CNN and Bloomberg (SARCASM)...it's really too bad that the @CDC just reversed basically all the former covid requirements. wonder why? did covid change? what happened? is it still covid? did the vaccine eradicate it? what?
to quote directly from the CDC
"we wanted to interfere less in day to day life..." #wewerewrong @loam33 gets it...EMPIRICAL DATA vs Anecdotal....this is such a freaking impossible concept for libs to grasp.
Statistics are such a bear for the main stream media fed. Learn to think for yourself.

@adamszymkowicz yeah... guess what sometimes critical thinkers vote independent. shut it fool,

 @preach: "did covid change?"

Yes, actually. The same empirical data shows the earlier variants had much higher mortality rates than the variants that are prevalent today. The initial global response being heavy handed or not may be up for debate, but is definitely overkill for the current situation.

Can we get back to discussing the bikes now please?

 @ROOTminus1: agreed about the bikes.
However...the virus also worked it's way through all those with co-morbidities and the herd immunity (that so many called for...) is now there.
the Chief of staff at our big regional hospital said in a recent interview..."The # of fatalities we had was going to happen, whether in 3 months or 2 years...those with co-morbidities were going to bear the brunt of it"
which is why it's dumb to ding Bryceland for not wanting to get the jab...he's the least likely demographic to suffer from covid.

 Gracia. FML

 Great moments in Rockshox pro-consumer product choices. Guess I’ll just get a 170mm Fox 36… except they’ve stopped that now too… ffs

 @Linc: damn you have to go 38/zeb to get 170?

That’s pretty annoying

 @nvranka: *cough* Mezzer *cough*

 “Under the removable down tube protector you will find a Rockshox Super Deluxe shock providing 165mm of rear travel.”

A picture isn’t always worth 1000 words.

 Look at a side view of the bike...

 @Tambo: oh. Yeah ok I can see the problem now. @korev sorry for doubting you.

 @o-dubhshlaine: No worries

 dude could probably still come top ten at a wc dh race if he put his mind to it...

 U mean u dont follow every pro and ex pro?
Get it together!

 That Giro helmet's so big we can't see if he's rocking one...